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EyeHateGod:
[s][/s] it's not a Logo for illuminate That's media Bullshit The real symbol of the illuminate was A Circle and a dot like sun in the middle

Ooh. Are you afraid of being exposed?

Former military dictator Buhari voted in again in 2016 by the gullible.
A military replay of 1984, only with a democratic smile.

ABIOLAXYZ:
buhari is working

Its not Buhari ooo.
It's the intervention of Bereau exchange using Travelex.

Wilgrea7:
you guys are always quick to quote revelations but u forget 2 things

1. the nature of forever and ever as used in the bible
2. revelation is highly symbolic


again... u claim the Hebrew translations from which your bible was formed is useless.. well that should tell u enough about the latter.. so what you're trying to say is that the original language z garbage but the English translation is more authentic... pls wake up

And what you are trying to tell me is that the people who translated KJV and other credible versions were erratic.

Symbolic? And so is the daily news.

adoyi8:
I will be in hellfire with all your ancestors who worshipped Idols and did not accept Christ as their lord and personal saviour

Let me ask you. If you were working on the street and found a dead man on the road who was used for rituals, would use wish you were the one?

If you were driving, and passed by an accident scene where a car hit a trailer and the agonising victim who miraculously survived has his intestines out and his two legs shattered. Would you wish you were him?

I don't need your answers. you'll be more secure and sincere answering that within yourself.

There are so many boasters in this world. But I want to assure you, none of them that went to hell and miraculously came back to life ever wanted to go back there again.

I rejected your evil wish in Jesus name. Amen. You pray you will be delivered from unbelief, sin and go to heaven on Jesus name. Amen.

Taryur3:
That's wonderful if the truth is in you sir...am not against tithening but I mostly help the poor and people in need especially the hungry people...some churches are rich enough to deal with their needs....don't refer me to Malachi pls...just live me and my God... We know how we do it and the blessings CNT just stop flowing. But itbget me angry to see a member of a rich church looking tattered while the pastors changes cars every time and call it a blessing. At least...i give out nothing less than 60k to 70k out of my income to the needy...everymonth. Work according to your faith...I pray we all inherit Gods kingdom on the last day. But come o...so na your church member they roll for potopoto...,sumalsulting, during evengelism? If dem get injury God no send dem o.

Obeying the law IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE.
And yes. Well it's not your concern of they get injury. They mostly don't.And are very happy doing it because they are intoxicated with Joy of God and the praises and don't mind humiliating themselves.

Most people in sickness and sorrows will appreciate it more than those that think they have it all or can solve their problems themselves.

Moreover, we also know that we are doing the will of God who will reward us in eternity. And we are more happier. Heaven rejoices for each soul that is converted from sinner to saint. And a great reward is given to the one (s) responsible. Jesus said lay treasures for yourself in Heaven instead of Earth. This is what gives the biggest treasures. Winning souls. It is God's business BIG TIME.

Weah96:
So hell is really on earth, I mean, within the rock called earth? Zillions of planets in the universe and your god chooses to conduct all of his business here?

The star's were made to tell the wonders and ability of God.
Several Christians have seen revelations where they were taken on a journey to he'll. And yes it is in the earth.

Also see the story of Moses, and Koram and Abiram rebels Numbers 16. How the children of Koram Dathan and Abiram went down to hell alive because they rebelled against God's servant, Moses.

Wilgrea7:
you and eyehategod are misunderstanding what I'm saying... sheol is what was translated as hell in the old testament.

Jesus used Gehenna when referring to hell a number of times in the new testament.

you claim the hebrew interpretation is gibberish... yet it was from there that the bible you have now was translated... so who's now saying gibberish??

and concerning the hell of the old testament and new testament... depends on where they were used... Sheol is what is translated as hell in the old testament and it has no record of having fire... eyehategod was correct when he said all the dead went there.


concerning the worms dying not.. that is gehenna... the refuse dump outside Jerusalem.. its the word that was used in the original Hebrew scroll so pls stop misquoting me and stop deceiving yourself. Gehenna was a refuse dump where dead bodies of enemies were thrown and trash was burnt... and if u think the worm dieth not means eternal torment then take a look at this scripture

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the CARCASES of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

carcase means the body of a dead thing and not of something alive nd in eternal torment... unquenchable fire is a fire u cannot escape from... it will totally reduce to ash

more questions are welcomed

Useless Hebrew translation used to take advantage of the credibility/genuine truth of God's word especially by false prophets, and known Muslim scholars. You're just another disciple of theirs.

With all your long essay, you have not been able to tell me why the new testament explains that there is fire in Hell. or Sheol as proudly deceive yourself.

And as for that verse you quoted out of context Isaiah 66:28 pls start reading from verse 15 down and you can see its talking about the final judgement of sinners. When the righteous will behold them suffering.

Also another hard one to chew.

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beastand the false prophetare, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

REVELATIONS 14:11"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

CeoMYN:
Nawa for you. My points are true but you are avoiding them.

If you say so. I insist on avoiding it. Because it has been asked 101 times on Nairaland.

Wilgrea7:
... so if i don't pay tithe I'm losing my eternal reward? seriously who came up with this stuff... eternal rewards don't depend on printed paper for God sake.. it depends on your deeds, and your heart. again God doesn't need your dime.. he is more concerned about how we treat each other than how many times u put some printed paper which is worthless to him inside a basket

Worthless in your eyes. But your worthless money you put in the basket is what is used in keep the services running.

Wilgrea7:


depends on what u call hell.. there are three or four translations of the original hebrew Aramaic texts as hell

1. sheol
2.tarsus or something like that
3. genehha

sheol is what is translated as hell in the old testament... if u doubt me then do your research..
p.s .. there is no record of fire in sheol

ok... to the part where the fire is not quenched... u cannot quench God's fire.. just like sodom and Gomorrah... the fire cannot be quenched by anybody.. if u like run into a river or ocean.. it will still burn u until you've been totally destroyed (turned to ash) just like Sodom and Gomorrah

still the same thing... visit the links below for clarification

http://biblelight.net/hell.htm
http://www.hellhadesafterlife.com/hell/what-bible-says-about-hell

p.s.... I'm not a jw

Any learned christian at this point can discern you are a deliberate false christian. WHY MY DEAR, WHY?

First you said Hell has no fire. I showed you with emphasis. And one can read other verses online mentioning HELLFIRE. Now you say hell has no fire because it means "Sheol" in the OT with your useless Hebrew interpretation gibberish. Is the Hell in Old testament different from the Hell in New testament? NO. Simply NO.

Now you bring another doctrine saying the person will be destroyed in the fire. Let me ask you what about "THE WORM THAT DOES NOT DIE"?

Ranchhoddas:
Deductive reasoning.

Ranchhoddas:
Such a place will not be physical and as such will not exist on this plane. So I don't think human instruments will be able to detect anything like that. Na those scientists know wetin dem hear.

And who told you it doesn't exist here? How do you know?

Wilgrea7:
that's talking about the lake of fire... not the popular fiery place unrighteous people go after death... also

2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.



eternal/everlasting fire turns to ash... that's the example of what eternal fire does... destroys completely for ever... this destruction occurs in the lake of fire... what other points do u have??

All these your useless rantings.

Hell is mentioned in that verse and more than 5 times in Mathew 5:29-30 Matthew 18:9-10 Mark 9:
'....than to cast into HELL, where the fire is not quenched'

Also in Isaiah 5:14 'Therefore HELL hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: to receive the multitudes.'

Pls make a better lie for the devil.

Ranchhoddas:
Are the sinners in this hell currently conscious?

Yes. They are very conscious and an indescribable pain of suffering.

Some scientists in the year 1980s where excavating very deep in the ground and reached a depth where they began to hear deafening and hellish cries of millions of people.

When it was published on Newpapers. it was apprehended. They must have been ruthlessly cautioned by the US government who was doing all it can to fight against religion especially christianity spread, prevent the truth and promote Evolution theory.

READ 21 Objectives of Illuminati.
http://www.thecontroversialfiles.net/2016/10/the-21-objectives-of-illuminati.html

Tonymic4life:
Then what is offering and church donations meant for?

In cases where tithes and offerings are not enough for the on going works, then pledges will be called for.

Church donations can either be from a willing person or an order from the church. When it is an order, it means the church is in need of something that the tithes nd offering were not enough. It's unfortunate that today because many members have their eye in the church purse, they give little offering and no tithe. This is to their loss. Both now and eternity rewards, I.e If they are saved.

Wilgrea7:
i do not know what actually happens to the righteous after death... i don't know if they go to heaven or Sheol as well.. but the wicked and unrighteous go to Sheol... Sheol is translated as hell in the Bible at some point... so the idea of hell being on fire is not a biblical doctrine... the story of rich man and lazarus is a parable.. all will be judged at the end of the world and the wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire... this is the second death

'it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:46Where their worm dieth not,and the fire is not quenched' Mark 9:46

Ranchhoddas:
Abeg who understand this thing make him explain am well.

SUMMARY of what I wrote:

A dead sinner goes to HELL fire and awaits the Final Judgement of God to be cast in THE LAKE OF FIRE.

The Righteous goes to Heaven. When the world comes to an absolute end, he will be ushered to THE NEW HEAVEN AND THE NEW EARTH.

That is the Judgement.
Heaven and Hell are just stationaries where it's inhabitants wait for the final Judgement.

Badassniggga:
and who is eating the meat (tithe) exactly? God or pastor? does God eat meat?

The money is used for sponsorship of God's work. Example my church, the money is used to spread the gospel through media publication, handbills, maintenance of Free transport Buses, Crusades which cost millions each, Branch establishments, aiding of branches in need of support maintenance or acquisition of church equipments, like more chairs, park lot expansion etc.

People that say Pastor's are eating the tithe are very one-sided. And also shallow thinkers.

Badassniggga:
and who is eating the meat (tithe) exactly? God or pastor? does God eat meat?

The money is used for sponsorship of God's work. Example my church, the money is used to spread the gospel through media publication, maintenance of Free transport Buses, Crusades which cost millions each, Branch establishments, aiding of branches in need of support, maintenance or acquisition of church equipments, like more chairs, park lot expansion etc.

People that say Pastor's are eating the tithe are very one-sided. And also shallow thinkers.

Krismart:
U must either be a pastor or his son.

I am begotten in Christ through him. But I am not a pastor. I only hear the word of God and obey the Lord.

OBEDIENCE IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE.

And He has vowed to God to never use the Money for personal improvement/gratification. The money is used for maintenance of Transport Buses, branch establishments, crusades which cost millions each, Media publication etc.

There is tremendous blessings for those who pay their tithes. A man who went to heaven and back saw Angels carry bags of gold. And he asked them what it's for? They said it's for a saint on earth who just paid his tithe. SpiritLessons.com

Don't allow devil and worldly men to deceive you. or perhaps greediness. Tithe is a system that must be honoured. It is not charity or almsgiving. You'd agree with me that church can ask for that. And people would give much more when they hear CHARITY. But RATHER they ask for just 10% to show you its not them but the requirement of God.

pepculture:
I dont get why this lord chosen people always feel other churches aren't doing the write ting

Are you doing the right thing. Only sin lovers, deceivers, jealousy and envious that hate The Lord's Chosen Ministry.

Many people who were living all forms of immoral and wicked lifestyles have come to The Lord's Chosen, heard the undiluted word of God and have stopped their evil life which is but not limited to arm robbery, prostitution, native doctors, occultists, womanizers, smoke and drunk addicts etc. So yes we do the right thing. And people hate us because we preach the right things and that is the devil using them to fight us. Because the Only thing the devil can not give is RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HOLINESS. (Which without, no man shall see the Lord. Heb 12:14).

dhurlarpur:
I give my 10% out to the needy, God sees my heart and i do that almost every month. There was a Sunday i went to church, i then noticed the guy beside me hasn't been standing up to drop any envelope during offering time, it was a Thanksgiving Sunday and he still didn't dance out to drop his envelope, i even persuaded him that God does not need his money but sees his heart which is full of gratitude. This is my point, after close of service that day, instead of dropping my already wrapped tithe into the church, i squeezed it into his palm and told him i actually wrote a letter and wrapped it in the envelope and he should not read it until he gets home.(Till today i don't know who the guy is coz its a big church)
So, i think its about God seeing your heart.

What you did was charity or almsgiving. It's not tithe and offering. And by giving your tithe to somebody else, you didn't honour God.

'There's a way that seemeth right into a man but the end of the way is death'

Remember also Uzziah who with his good heart wanted to help the ark of God from falling, but God struck him to death.

OBEDIENCE IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE.

Taryur3:
Is either u are a pastor, pastors brother, or benefiting from a pastor

hahaha. So gullible of you and your hailers.

Ive been in The Lord's Chosen Ministry for 12 years. Am not a pastor. I've never been given money. But I benefit from my pastor his prayers and words of exhortation, which stresses on obedience to God so we can be saved in the Jugdement of God.

And I pay my offering and Tithe for the sponsorship of God's work, which includes but not limited to crusades which cost millions each, Maintenance of buses for free transport, Media publication, branch establishments etc

Even the money given to my pastor as gift, he has vowed to God never to use any of them for self improvement but God's work. And he will never collect your money but ask you to pay to church account which is not in his control. It in the control of the adminstrtors department. This is a genuine man of God.

AlanSugar:
I honestly don't understand when people reason like this... "That there may be food in my house" for who? I believe the "in my house" means the church? How many of the property/items owned by thieving pastors belong to the church? Take oydescam for instance, does his private jets belong to the church, his rich dishes get shared by every member of the congregation, the church schools get attended by all and sundry of the congregation needing sound education, his big big shoes and jackets which are proceeds of tithes and offerings bringing "food" in God's house gets shared and worn by all congregants? The list is endless...... If the so called food in God's houses are only meant for the single oga at the top then that's not good enof!

The words of a shallow mind and one-sidedness.

elektra:
On the bolded, Oga please allow me to inform you that the only thing you are sponsoring is your pastor or GO's career. That is why when they are introducing guest pastors they will list all their accomplishments, how many churches he has planted, how many branches he has, the number of people in his church, the size of the church... ETC. All these things on pastor's CV na your money oh! But e no dey your own CV. Pastor is busy preparing his retirement plan ontop of your sweat.
If you channel this energy you are using to pay tithe into living like Christ (who never paid tithe BTW), you will do more good that the whole of your pastor's tithe paying congregation.

The words of a shallow mind and one-sideness.

BTW Jesus did not speak about tithe doesn't mean he didn't give tithe.

CeoMYN:
why did Jehovah create hell? And please attack my points not me

You always asking WHY? But you never agree to the endless answers that God's children give you.

It's not why. It's HOW should I escape Hell? That's what a wise/genuine person would ask.

spiritlessons.com

Yes after death is JUDGEMENT. Either heaven or hellfire. There is no purgatory. That is Catholic doctrine and has no biblical backup.

After death a sinner goes to hellfire. And a righteous man goes to heaven. They will remain there till the final Judgement. There are 2 Judgements. The judgement of the saints will be immediately after the Rapture and during the great tribulation happening on Earth. After the (Bema Seat of) judgement of the saints, comes the marriage union of The Lamb with his bride (The saints). Bible says 'Abraham.... shall sit'. This is the Judgement of the saints. And there is no remembrance of their sins because they have overcome.

The final judgement of sinners comes after the MILLENIAL REIGN OF CHRIST. (1000 years of peace and bliss on Earth). Satan will be loosed from prison to deceive the world for a season (note: not the saints) and will gather them like the sand of sea. But they will be destroyed by fire, and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire. Then the judgement of sinners will begin. It's called 'THE WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT'. Hellfire will give up its inhabitants. And they will be judged according to their works and be cast in the Lake of fire. And hellfire itself shall be cast in the Lake of fire. This is known as 'The second Death'.

The current heaven and earth shall pass away/disappear. Then there shall be a New Heaven and a New Earth.This is where the righteous will dwell for all eternity with God and the Lamb.

Wilgrea7:
there is a big difference.. u will never quote the part where paul said he didn't collect so as not to be a burden

ok lets move on

there's a difference betweeen eating of the things of d altar and scanning people to bring to the altar

pastors can call for donations every sunday
.. the tithe preached today is unscriptural therefore using it to deceive the masses and collect money is still a scam.. the offering is there ... other voluntary donations are there... preaching a lie as a means to eat from the altar is a scam

most pastors have the calling of money and they said they heard d calling of God..
whether by rich or by poor tithe preached today is unscriptural.

open your eyes

Tithe is scriptural. You keep your arguments alive by calling pastor as thieves. Not all pastors are. Many are false. Some are genuine and honest, using the money they realise for the promotion of the gospel. And I've made my points to help you. But if you insist, well.

realmindz:
Another common argument that atheist just want to sin so they chose not believe in Yaweh or hell.

This is the most fallacious, misleading, invalid, baseless, illogical and most unreasonable argument of all time.

Oh let me choose not to believe in death so I can jump off to a moving train

You can blow grammar doesn't make your post anywhere sensible. You're simply saying no to my comment. But it's very obvious when you people argue that am right. The most common argument AThiests brings up is why loving God cast people to hell for sinning against him.

I don't find it amusing when virtually all athiest say there's nothing wrong in homosexual.(1 example of many). That's just a hint of how evil they want to be, so they kill their consciences.

Is this applicable today?1 Cor. 97 "... or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?13 Do ye not know that they which ministerabout holy things live of thethings of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should liveof the gospel. [KJV

Mal 3:8-98 "Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, 'In what wayhave we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings.9 You are cursed with a curse, for you haverobbed Me, even this wholenation. Bring all the tithes and offerings into my storehouse that there may be meat In my house and prove me now"