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FOLYKAZE: Much like when one goes to see a modern medical doctor, going to the Babalawo starts off with something much like diagnosis right? The doctor will bring out his instruments and check you up. Information gotten from this equipments are what the doctor would interpret and detail you about your body system.

When the doctor physically check you out with instruments such as stethoscope, thermometer, etc. the Babalawo will consult the Ifa on your behalf. Babalawo will places it either on your arm or your forehead and ask Ifa what the energies in your situation are. Even if you do not reveal any symptoms or say details to the Babalawo, they will consult Ifa and Ifa will reveal all. The Babalawo must interpret the divination and they will most usually do so with the use of Ese.

There is this nurse I live with when I was young. She had a digital medical check kit that look pen. I have forgotten it name. When I read info stated on this kit by checking myself, it meaniless to me but it contain some informations which the nurse know and understand. So the Nurse said what the kit stated. Hope you understand?



Note something Mr. English terms does not convey the whole picture of an expression sometimes. That is why I prefer conception than vocabularies.

Ebo in Yoruba = Nourishment in English.

When you nourish energies, it is not in the same sense when we grind food with our teeths and roll it with our tongue.

And again, understand that my explanation on sacrifices wont give the whole picture as I personally do not understand the whole logic around it.

Metaphysically speaking, within the universe we are all connected to each other on earth. We are all connected by energy - we are made up of millions of tiny molecules and so is everything else.

Sacrifice actively recharge an Orisa’s cosmic ase-battery. Sacrificing an animal nourishes the spirits (with blood) and the community (with meat) thereby indexing the powerful link between humanity and the Orisa as they are both nourished by a single ritual process. What sacrifice does is nourish the Orisa’s ase that is intrinsic to their existence which then gives the ase inherent in Orisa pots more efficacy, power, and presence.

Quantum physics is showing that everything in the universe is energy and electrical currents. Who knows if the content in the blood can devise and manipulate this energies? Lets take for example.... Sacrificing a blood to Ogun. Ogun is Iron. What you pour the blood on and the blood itself contain iron in different degrees and charges. Who knows when the two contact, it lead to cosmic ether? The possible way that it works, from a scientific and quantum mechanic standpoint, is that the sacrifice, emits electromagnetic wavelengths. Everything in the universe works on waves, from physical objects, to electricity, to ideas.

Given enough patience and focus, our electromagnetic "brain waves", if you will, can be subconsciously manipulated to alter the way we interact with the universe.

Magic is an art which does not have detailed explanation yet.

Real Witchcraft is a spiritual art rooted in nature & psychology, not hocus-pocus like fiction.

I didn't claim the person burning with fire is doing magic. I even said the stunt could be trick. So understand me pls

Reyginus: The question cannot happen. It is irrelevant in this case. Feelings are only a function of living things, and not non-living things.

So for your question to be logical enough to evoke an answer it has to be logical enough to admit into its fold things capable of feeling pain.

Of course I know that. But in this thread, we have subconsciously assumed 'pain' as the reason behind every other reason. Like a form of synecdoche where a part of the whole is tasked to represent all.
Lol. C'mon! Bro, don't act as if I have deviated so early from the track.

I was only trying to prove a point with that analogy, which is, that even though to a brain dead allowing to die is synonymius to Euthanasia, it is no longer Euthanasia when it is money oriented.

macof: As I always say "God" is a term of personification

Reyginus: Lol. Calm down, bro. We are not doing dialectics. She alone opted for it.

Reyginus: No. What about you?

If a dead person experiences no pain, add no pleasure too, which I have been emphasizing on from the beginning, how then were you able to come with the statement that Euthanasia is performed to alleviate the pain?

Or can you claim to alleviate the pain in a thing that doesn't exist?

Even to that extent, we cannot call a disconnection caused by the lack of money to sustain him, Euthanasia. This is because it was not performed out of a desire to terminate pain but out of insufficient funds. I don't know if you get the point.

There are so many poor people in our society today suffering from ailments far above their income. People who know they are sick but cannot afford to pay for treatment. They just live with it, but instead of falling for Euthanasia they allow themselves to die.

Joshthefirst: hello troll. Sorry, but people like me always come up to adress foolishness and delusions.

kolawaxxy: let me answer this; I do not know. I wish I knew. I would have gladly worshipped whatever it is that caused God to be. But since I've not yet known, I'll keep worshipping God.

Reyginus: It is not really hinged on that. It is but a possibility whose efficacy we must not neglect. It is possible, my friend.

But my argument is hinged on why a person by committing evil, and sending a person into non-existence, will claim to have alleviated his pains even though he is not alive to experience it.

Read my response to logicboy.

Just as real as it sounds, he is allowed to die. The words are simple, I need not explain anything.

macof: @Wiegraf, I am surprised u don't know that everything is conscious including Matter.

This shows how ur atheism is a fake, because ur master scientists bosses know this

FOLYKAZE: the priest. Considering what Ifa stated in relation with your Ori.

lol. I heard alot bro.

But I have seen stunts live in a movie production group. A guy was burnt....and his skin was not touched. Note, this could be trick but it amazing and there is no jupiter like that can tell me to play with fire.

JMAN05: Read above, and update.

texanomaly: What did i do now?

Reyginus: If they cannot afford it, he should be allowed to die.

texanomaly: hello Mr Troll

macof: When u go to a Babalawo he would dafa for u and Ifa's message would read in symbolic representation, it is the Babalawo that would interpret for u.

macof: Have u wondered why natural disasters don't happen around pure spiritual practices?

Yes science stated that- that's how flawed it can be, so by trying to say wat science hasn't proven is Bs means that years ago when Heart was established as the centre of emotions, anybody running around claiming Brain was just saying Bs

macof: The priest, who knows the mysteries behind these Energies and how they can be manipulated to Human benefit.

Nourishing an Energy with blood-which has the Highest level of energy in one physical entity.
This Nourishing is to create channels between these energies that could start up convertion to something else or just keep a certain Element in balance with it's atomic structure.

For instance
Sacrifice to Orisha oke prevents landslides, Avalanche and other disasters caused by Mountains

Orisha Olokun prevents floods and raise in sea level over the inhabited land.




I couple of years ago human physiology stated emotions were stored in the heart now we all believe it's the brain.

rationalmind: Erm... Since you appear to be in the medical line, what's the name of the drug given to patients for euthanasia?

Or is it classified information?

macof: Then I would say u are not exposed

macof: Pls stop giving useless excuses.

The Bible creation story is incomplete and NO CHRISTIAN WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR DELIBERATE TWIST OF THE BIBLE

This is not about creativity, I only interpret not create.

nnofaith: The method of worship of all this orisas are not the same the differ from one orisa to another, take ogun for instance the mode of worship is for a black dog to be beheaded at the shrine, i beg weting "energy" wan carry dog blood do?!
The typicall yoruba society was organised along cult lines each family has it personal orisa cult the family belongs to, you can easily know a family's cult from the family name, if a family worships ogun for instance the family name has ogun prefixed to the family members name like ogunmola, you have ifakolade, osunbiyi etc. and every family has a family shrine.
what follykaze is trying to do is trying to marry yoruba myths with science, he has cherry picked a lot of stuff to marry the yoruba myth with science. just imagine christians waking up one and saying yahweh is energy?!

FOLYKAZE: Evening bro. Actually i dont know about the supernatural claim christians are making on behalf of their pastors. But I know one thing as a spiritual atheist that most of what we called supernatural are what we dont really have explanation for....either logical or scientifical parallel and are attributed to Spirits or Gods.

When you take it from a pantheist angle, spirit or God is an energy. Lets assume we have an explanation for this supernatural phenomena, it will become a norm and add up to knowledge. Like I tried to explain bullet proof Jazz, I used electromagnetic possibilities. Truely if this magnetic force can be detected on this charm, dont you think we can modernize it after critical or scientifical explanation have been deduced. Herbs and local medicine is an example here.



1. Worship mean different things to different people. Why are we worshipping our country, money and scientifical theories?

2. Incantation works perfectly. Have you heard about sound therapy? There is this neurolinguistic programmes.... They are sound used to control the brain mechanically. Song make a child sleep....you know? If this is well practicalized and mastered, dont you think incantation can work too? This is mere sound energy which can be transformed to anything.

Incense, music, other aids in spiritulity are aromatherapy, sound, etc-- all known scientifically to stimulate different parts of the brain.

Incantation or Spell in spirituality is neurolinguistic programming in science. (this is explanable bound of science from spirituality)

Herbs/brews/potions in spirituality are herbs, which biochemically act on the brain to produce and achieve the desired effects or heal ailments.

Energy manipulation is the main door post of spiritual acts when science said everything is made of energy on an atomic level; including thoughts and mind.

If people can do these when there was no logical explanation and critical analysis provided to their points, why cant we lodge in our scientifical knowledge into it rather than looking for already-made west fantasy?

3. Sacrifice to the best I know are nourishment for both the spirits (energies) and we human. We eat meat sacrificied right? The blood is an energy and contain lot of elements....this can have effect on our natural environment when they relates.

Calm down. Personally I didn't claim anywhere that I saw someone breathing fire. I even said I dont the claim because I haven't witnessed it. But that doesn't make this false. Have you moved to confirm this?

FOLYKAZE: I give up.

Try to understand this. I respect and so much love your perspective on this argument. You right on some points and I cant agree on some points too.

I believe people should help patient from taking euthanasia as next option. We should build up on pain management and others.

Nice to have you around for this. Catch ya another time. Cheers

frank3.16:
Very convincing, since u don't know, I now understand why u strongly believe, now I believe

macof: So wat if I say "people don't go into space. It's impossible"

pls don't try to justify mental slavery.
a man who is quick to accept western views and dismiss his ancestry is nothing but a slave

FOLYKAZE: how?

macof: Goes to show how slave minded u are.

People like You are willing to accept that their origin is Mecca when Oral history clearly states Ile-Ife

FOLYKAZE: You know what is what. The only thing you looking for is a old monster called Obatala who got drunk. You want this for mockery.



Yes.... Eledumare is the cosmic singularity where the universe is birthed through massive explosion.

Obatala is the light particle that caused the explosion and which spread. The drunk state mean the cooling state of light particle.

Oduduwa is the womb of creation. The dark energy which produces the atom and compounds. It is said that it continued the task of Obatala when the later was drunk...cooled.

^^^does the above related with modern theory. Big bang?

Ogun is Iron leading the other Orisa into planet earth. Science said the outer and inner crust made up of Iron.

Yemoja is the icy comet that bombarded the earth. Yoruba people said she fell when she was running...and her belly gushed out water....from there vegetation and life came out. Modern Science said water on earth was as a result of icy comets that fell on earth. And this produces the life.

We were told Orisas climbed down on a chain in the water body....that is symbol which mean chain equates to dna and life sprang out of water body.

^^^does that sound like a primordial soup?


African man will accept anything of foreign even when they have the exact at home. This is inferior complexity on you.

Now tell me the philosophical state is only in my mind. You are embarrassing.

Reyginus: Hmm. This is getting interesting. Can any good profession be for and against itself?

As in, can something like a good buying and selling be something entirely different from a good buying and selling?

But you cannot be speaking of reducing suffering when the life whose suffering you are trying to reduce is no longer in existence.

Imagine that you were asked to reduce the rusting in a mechanical engine. After some effort you came out defeated. The only option left was to discard it. Which you did.

Have you reduced the rust in any way?

FOLYKAZE: Try to understand me Mr. I agreed with you if the patient give this condition. But since euthanasia is employed to escape pains and suffering, we should firstly check if the person is psychologically balance. Reason for this is that no rational person at any point wants to die. Human are built with the instinct to fit and survive. If it psychological imbalance problem, we can help balancing that.

And in the case when the pain is unbearable, the option should not be death. That was the reason I said we should work for greater education in pain management.

And lastly when the patient cant make decision, you have no right to do for... Death is irreversable. What if the patient is not considering euthanasia?


And in this sense the family should kill others around because they cant cater for them?

You ignored the life insurance gain and inheritance case where people can hide behind euthanasia to terminate others.

Why do you think those sentence to death are protected from taking their life themselves? Afterall they will still die.

What if there is cure tomorrow?