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Religion / Re: Atheists are zombies by MrTroll(m): 12:23pm On Dec 18, 2013 |
@macof, until you stop using anything developed by the oyinbo, you remain a pathetic hypocrite. Science now has african and western versions. Lmao, nothing person no go hear! |
Religion / Re: Atheists are zombies by MrTroll(m): 12:19pm On Dec 18, 2013 |
@OP is funny. After abusing the white man and calling him godless, he then concludes by calling the god of the white man the Almighty God and goes ahead to quote the bible, a book brought to us by the white man. If a pagan like Macof or Pagan9ja writes this I'll understand but a bible thumper? Lol, the irony. 3 Likes |
Religion / Re: Sango And Electrical Energy.A Debate Btw Folykaze,Amanfrommars,Macof And Plaeton by MrTroll(m): 11:23am On Dec 18, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: I do know that traditional medicine is about to be introduced into the medical school curriculum.pharmacognosy |
Religion / Re: Sango And Electrical Energy.A Debate Btw Folykaze,Amanfrommars,Macof And Plaeton by MrTroll(m): 10:58am On Dec 18, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE:exactly my point. You don't know what chemicals are contained in said lime...do you? Rituals is not necessarily sacrificing to Ogun. It could work like burning incense. And I once said that is closely related to aromatherapy.what exactly do those sacrifice aim for? Incision is bullshite too? They burn same herbs and apply it through skin.I didn't highlight incision. Though it is quite an unhealthy practice, at least it can be explained medically Incantation is neurolinguistic programming. Sound can make baby sleep. I know kinda of music I play when she is around....and when I want that thing.who/what are they trying to program? The patients or the energies/gods? Some arts in this sense I mean like bathing patient with some substances. Child with Measles bathing with palmwine. Sitting patient direct to the sun and others. Squeezing of some leafs and placing it on maybe forehead for treating headache.ok. Like I said before, strictly herbal treatments work fine though they have their own short comings but then try to separate it from the bullshit. When the babalawos start giving esoteric and 'spiritual' explanations to what is obviously a natural phenomena, it is either one of two things...they are ignorant or they are being dubious for personal/selfish reasons. These things are working fine....I agree they cant give logical explanation or scientifical analysis but instead of calling it superstition or ridiculing it.....we should have scholar research in it.there is already scholarly research on herbal medicines, but not on supernatural bullshit. And from the spiritual side, I will laugh at you.lol. I'm optimistic in everything. That is why I delve into it gently even without knowing much about science.having an open doesn't equal being gullible and credulous You said thisI'm sure you are aware of what is called the Scientific Method? high tech weapons that can escalate extinction of life on the whole planet.in fact, they should be taken most seriously. Who knows whose hand it may fall into? Or whether we might have to fight off aliens in future? ; D No logical explanation yet for that. And instead of discrediting it, you research. Whatever the outcome is, you good to go with.no, there is a logical explanation for it. Its called ignorant superstition |
Religion / Re: Euthanasia. Discussions with Quivah and Any Interested Party. by MrTroll(m): 10:17am On Dec 18, 2013 |
Ok, let's take it slow Rey...why do you think Euthanasia is a wicked act? |
Religion / Re: Contradictions. by MrTroll(m): 10:09am On Dec 18, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: once I see some hard evidence that reptiles evolved from early amphibians, I'll rescind my position. You're welcome to show me evidence.what will constitute hard evidence for you? I don't want to waste my time... |
Religion / Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by MrTroll(m): 10:06am On Dec 18, 2013 |
aManFromMars: Good one chelsea. aManFromMars: 1 Like |
Science/Technology / Re: China Land's On The Moon. Does Nigeria Need Need A Space Program? by MrTroll(m): 9:59am On Dec 18, 2013 |
texanomaly:if I say I love you now, will it be weird? @topic, my own is corruption first, then education. Space program no be now. I'm doing my own bit to brighten my own corner. My objective is education the minds of the upcoming generation, i've given up on any adult above 40 in Nigeria. Etc |
Religion / Re: Contradictions. by MrTroll(m): 3:50pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: I do notlol. do you see any contradiction in your 2 replies now? what if I show you some evidence that the reptiles evolved from early amphibians? |
Religion / Re: Questions For Logicboy and other Atheists by MrTroll(m): 3:20pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Area_boy:did he look like he was joking? he just checkmated Atheists |
Religion / Re: Sango And Electrical Energy.A Debate Btw Folykaze,Amanfrommars,Macof And Plaeton by MrTroll(m): 3:12pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE:I largely agree with you but lemme address the bolded. you see, I happen to know some things about herbal medicine but I have no knowledge of incantations and rituals and 'some arts'. let me give you an example, the drug Quinine is actually gotten from the bark of the cinchona tree. this bark has been used over the centuries by native doctors for treating malaria without them actually knowing the actual component of the bark that does it. then came science who now studied the plant bark and proceeded to isolate and purify Quinine from it. i'm sure that while the native doctors were using the raw bark, some incantations and rituals would certainly have accompanied such treatments but the reality is that those incantations and extracurricular rituals were...bullshit. what was curing them was quinine, simple. not the incantations, rituals or some arts. I can excuse the ignorant native doctors but in this day and age, you cannot in good faith tell me that there is an actual benefit to say, sprinkling goat blood on iron in order to invoke the efficacy of ogun. @red, that is called Mysteriousneeesssseeessss! i'm gonna call bullshit on that. - Ignorance. Why are you like this? Do you expect the old man in the village to list twenty elements?no. I expect you, folykaze to have some form of healthy skepticism. Should this applies with speculations, proportions and hypothesis?I don't understand this question. It not everything science provided us that should be taken serious.like what? spirit is energy and natural force. Then they are rights.it seems you are not seeing the problem this type of definition poses. can energy and natural force be manipulated by killing an animal and sprinkling its blood on its representative idol? |
Religion / Re: Contradictions. by MrTroll(m): 2:50pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: went through some of the link. A croc is a reptile.Do you agree that reptiles actually evolved from amphibians? Do you agree that the term 'species' is not as distinct as you may think? that it is just a human term of convenience? |
Science/Technology / Re: China Land's On The Moon. Does Nigeria Need Need A Space Program? by MrTroll(m): 2:39pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
@deepsight/deepardo, sorry i'm not interested at this moment in the direction our discussion is about to take. muskeeto, LB and Josh are having more fun. na dia my mind de now |
Religion / Re: Euthanasia. Discussions with Quivah and Any Interested Party. by MrTroll(m): 2:17pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Reyginus: Honestly speaking , I don't think you know the weight of what you are saying. I don't dodge questions, bro.lol. i'm afraid you did not fully understand the explanation I presented. it was meant to explain it in cases where the patient is unable to give consent e.g coma... Number 1 plainly leaves the right of A's existence to B which is not a healthy position.it is, if A is unconscious and B is otherwise responsible for A i.e intimate family member Number 2. When he is acutely suffering, A cannot be in a position to make a decision for him. Acute pain unlike a chronic one is minor. This contradicts number 1.why not? saying acute pain is not like chronic pain is irrelevant and pointless. Number 3. a.The problem is still the same with number 1. It suggests that every decision is left only to B who cannot tell if A is still yearning for existence, not that even if he is not, it is automatically right. Even though there is room for number 2 to contradict it.yearning for existence? what does this mean? A is terminally ill, yearning for existence will not keep you alive. you are still going to die, albeit painfully. b. This also suggests that one there is an evidence for B there shouldn't be any for A. Which again appears to be the problem with 1 and 3a.no. that is not what 3b is saying. it is saying that if there is sufficient evidence to show that the cause of the death will not be more painful than if A is left alone or allowed to die naturally. Number 4what how did you come to this conclusion from 4? Number 5. This is irrelevant.agreed. |
Religion / Re: Questions For Logicboy and other Atheists by MrTroll(m): 2:01pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
jhidey08: Lubbish Atheist people. I don't blame dem, I blame dier parents, and d scientists dat confuse dem. If God doesn't really exist, den who takes pples' lives?? Dey're nt different 4rm Boko Haram pple na, brainwashed patapata.CHECKMATE ATHEISTS |
Religion / Re: Contradictions. by MrTroll(m): 9:41am On Dec 17, 2013 |
Josh, is a crocodile a reptile or an amphibian? furthermore, have you gone through the link I gave you? |
Religion / Re: Euthanasia. Discussions with Quivah and Any Interested Party. by MrTroll(m): 9:38am On Dec 17, 2013 |
Reyginus: This is one of those tautological questions like, is a barchelor a married man?, does a carpenter make furniture, is the black goat black in colour?you are just running around dodging the question. you can see that giving the patient a painless death instead of allowing him to continually suffer pain until death is the moral thing to do. haggling about the definition of dead and how a dead person does not experience the relief is simply obfuscation. I thought that by calling synecdoche you would understand perfectly what I am talking about. Anyways, no problem.I didn't agree with that assumption. I don't think so. The thing is, we cannot say that a person who cannot afford a treatment bill is asking for Euthanasia. have you heard of passive euthanasia? anyhow, take a look at this explanation and tell me what you think... wikipedia: "In summary, we have argued ... that the death of a human being, A, is an instance of euthanasia if and only if (1) A's death is intended by at least one other human being, B, where B is either the cause of death or a causally relevant feature of the event resulting in death (whether by action or by omission); (2) there is either sufficient current evidence for B to believe that A is acutely suffering or irreversibly comatose, or there is sufficient current evidence related to A's present condition such that one or more known causal laws supports B's belief that A will be in a condition of acute suffering or irreversible comatoseness; (3) (a) B's primary reason for intending A's death is cessation of A's (actual or predicted future) suffering or irreversible comatoseness, where B does not intend A's death for a different primary reason, though there may be other relevant reasons, and (b) there is sufficient current evidence for either A or B that causal means to A's death will not produce any more suffering than would be produced for A if B were not to intervene; (4) the causal means to the event of A's death are chosen by A or B to be as painless as possible, unless either A or B has an overriding reason for a more painful causal means, where the reason for choosing the latter causal means does not conflict with the evidence in 3b; (5) A is a nonfetal organism." |
Religion / Re: Sango And Electrical Energy.A Debate Btw Folykaze,Amanfrommars,Macof And Plaeton by MrTroll(m): 9:18am On Dec 17, 2013 |
I don edit my post @folykaze. |
Religion / Re: Sango And Electrical Energy.A Debate Btw Folykaze,Amanfrommars,Macof And Plaeton by MrTroll(m): 12:54am On Dec 17, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE:really? - they aint making superstitions. Personification of a phenomena to explain something to the best way you can is not superstition. We have educated children to build and reconstruct this theories. Not for a mockery point. superstition /ˌsuːpəˈstɪʃ(ə)n,ˌsjuː-/ noun 1. excessively credulous belief in and reverence for the supernatural. "he dismissed the ghost stories as mere superstition" synonyms: unfounded belief, credulity; "medicine was riddled with superstition and ignorance" a widely held but irrational belief in supernatural influences, especially as leading to good or bad luck, or a practice based on such a belief. - they know things work but cant give explanation for it. Medicine is a good example. They pluck leaves for healing an ailment. It work fine but the old man in the village cant explain how it works. Intelligence evolve.....we here are regressing intelligence by mocking it instead of developing it from where they stopped. Let me give you example of what I discovered but cant explain till date. Wrap rags (osuka) like ones used for lifting load. Catch a goat and make it sleep on the floor. Then place the wrapped rag on it face covering it eye and ear. Lol. The goat go sleep be that. He no go shake not to talk of stand on it feet even till after hours. I did thing like this for fun and it work. But can I explain it? Nope. What if I can devise it for capturing wild animal......and I still don't have explanation for it, will you call it superstition? If this and what local medicine is superstition, then go figure for yourself.you are missing the point. what I will term superstition for example is when you start saying that there is a spirit of sleepiness in the rag that is making the goat docile and then start making sacrifices to the spirit in order to increase or manipulate its efficacy. - Supernatural is a term used to describe a phenomenon which are unexplanable yet and which are attributed to Spirits or Gods. Have I not explained that spirits and Gods are personified energies? I even said somewhere that when there are explanations for a supernatural event, it becomes norms and add up to knowledge. Isaac Newton made most of his theories from occultism. We are tired of insulting, mocking and bashing. Do the needful....you cant expect an illiterate in the village or person like me that hardly know the 20 elements and common physics law to make up a model from the ancient science.we are saying the same thing, except that not all things claimed as supernatural should be taken seriously. - Truth. We need to separate dogmatism from the plain fact. We need to unveil the naturalistic illustrations and deep philosophies embedded in spiritualism. Carl Sagan said science is the profound source of spirituality. We go in their and bring sense....not that we pack all as nonsense. Buddhism have superstitions but Sam Harris still embrace it. Hinduism in practically pantheism but Darwin sexed it up with his atheism. They do this by separating fable from fact.do this also. try to separate fact from fable. a plant cures stomach ache, true but surely you can dismiss a babalawo who says that pikiwoki, the spirit of healing dwells in that plant. |
Religion / Re: Questions For Logicboy and other Atheists by MrTroll(m): 12:29am On Dec 17, 2013 |
JMAN05:but you can? through... never mind, don't answer that. |
Science/Technology / Re: China Land's On The Moon. Does Nigeria Need Need A Space Program? by MrTroll(m): 12:27am On Dec 17, 2013 |
plaetton: @Deepsight,lol. you de go too far. ask am from July till now. |
Religion / Re: Contradictions. by MrTroll(m): 12:26am On Dec 17, 2013 |
Logicboy03:answersingenesis has not agreed yet... |
Religion / Re: Sango And Electrical Energy.A Debate Btw Folykaze,Amanfrommars,Macof And Plaeton by MrTroll(m): 12:09am On Dec 17, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE:strictly herbal medicines are not, true. but most times bullshit is mixed in and then we don't know where nature stops and where bullshit begins... |
Nairaland / General / Re: *~Fynestboi Is Nairaland Moderator Of The Year 2013 *~ Congratulations!!! by MrTroll(m): 10:46pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
just seeing this thread now so I don't know if this has been addressed... [size=16pt]I thought it was the MODs that vote within themselves who gets to be MOD of the year?[/size] |
Religion / Re: Euthanasia. Discussions with Quivah and Any Interested Party. by MrTroll(m): 10:40pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: My conscience and dogged determination and faith and hope might not allow me to recommend euthanasia personally.thank you. at least a honest answer. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Contradictions. by MrTroll(m): 10:36pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
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Religion / Re: Every Lady Wants A God-fearing Man; What Then Happens To The Atheists? by MrTroll(m): 10:34pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
dorox: |
Religion / Re: Sango And Electrical Energy.A Debate Btw Folykaze,Amanfrommars,Macof And Plaeton by MrTroll(m): 10:33pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE:its simple really. just call it ignorant superstition by those men. it doesn't mean you are disrespecting your ancestry. it is what it is. they didn't know how some things worked so they made up supernatural explanations for them and proceeded to 'appease' the gods of whatever it is they couldn't explain in other to get favourable outcomes. you don't have to try to rationalize everything they did. some are just ignorant superstitions. shikena! |
Religion / Re: Euthanasia. Discussions with Quivah and Any Interested Party. by MrTroll(m): 10:29pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
quivah:common, loosen up. you know you want to |
Religion / Re: Every Lady Wants A God-fearing Man; What Then Happens To The Atheists? by MrTroll(m): 10:13pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
dorox:she fine? |
Religion / Re: Every Lady Wants A God-fearing Man; What Then Happens To The Atheists? by MrTroll(m): 10:10pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
copied from THE Facebook page. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Euthanasia. Discussions with Quivah and Any Interested Party. by MrTroll(m): 9:46pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
quivah:would you like your machine turned 'on'? |
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