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alexleo: GOD IS GREAT ALL THE TIME. May his wonderful name be praised. Amen.

martinseme: All muslims ,atheists, pagans etc should see this discovery as a final calling sign from a loving fatherly God reaching out His hand to all his lost children to return home to his loving pardon and care..what other sign do you need to tell you that Jesus christ is the only way to God and heaven. no one has ever been to those places where those scientists made those startling discoveries, this should tell the wise child that God is real and Jesus christ is real and is the only way to salvation. wise up now you sinners and amend your ways through Jesus christ before its too late.this is certainly not a fiction but real
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mods pls let this make the front page

alexleo: And if its the one that supports your atheism you ll quickly applaud it without your so called searching for other links.

princesa: #sighs# you simply don't catch the drift nor match my wit.
so...




Back to topic please

Seun: Back to topic pls!

princesa: that you have and am impressed

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are you a believer?

wiegraf: After all that, this is all you got?

I can't blame the school for this.. seems it wasn't their fault..

Indeed, not that I quibble about stuff like this usually, but mentioning intelligence while using "his" that way..

Deep Sight: Would a man not be very foo.lish indeed to reject a drug, even if its a placebo, that gives him peace of mind, happiness and contentment?

princesa: lets start the countdown from 1000 to 1 then i give out my number.

Logicboy03: lol......your op was full of shyte


Evolution is a fact. End of story

Logicboy03: Lol....I sense butthurt

Atheists dont claim to know everything but you're a troll- you only know how to make spiteful and untrue statements.

Logicboy03: Trololo

Logicboy03: Guy shut up.....Weigraff schooled you on your ignorance about theories

wiegraf: ^^^^




Again, yes, I'm sure evolution is not a theory. Indeed, true pseudoscience.

wiegraf: As usual, you're confused..
Who asserted this?

wiegraf: Ooh, I forgot about this. Same page as before, my good and proper scientist..



I like how they have so many sources.
What do they think of ID?


But of course, you know better. Like the various proudly ignorant



Like all these folk, you know better, yes you do
You also know they don't consider evolution a scientific theory. No they don't

wiegraf: Yes. Thank you for proving my point.

Chibuebem: all scripture is given by inspiration of God...(1 timothy 3:16) there might be human errors and shadowy meanings in the various translations, thats why its good to know the root languages of the bible and study the original manuscripts.

wiegraf: Errm, yes. This is why I ask which school did you go to. From the top of my head

vestigials
shared ancestry
fossils (Btw, fossils map out changes as time progresses (and do note, not ever, not ONCE, have fossils been discovered somewhere that would contradict evolution))
micro evolution which we observe and in fact even manipulate. Simple things like new strains of resistant bacteria alone show this
We've seen the effects of artificial selection and breeding in very short time frames (see even dogs)
Indeed, we've done the simple math. Combine mutation, selection and time, the inevitable conclusion is evolution.
Probably other stuff I've forgotten

Now, do the math.

As for the 'theory' bit, well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#Scientific_support



Here, a list of scientific societies that actually went out of their way to get the cancer that is ID some treatment. Featuring organizations like the royal society.

But I'm sure, considering the expert you are, you know better. You know what they accept as scientific theories and what they don't. And let me make this very clear as you're obviously not as smart as you think you are.. Scientific THEORY, not hypothesis. Theory like GR or the SM, hope that's clear?

We've seen the effects of artificial selection and breeding in very short time frames (see even dogs)

He didn't? Then please explain how an ID managed to create us without manipulating us? Or the universe has no ID or consciousness, yet it has a...... PURPOSE!

Was the guy in the video laughing? He was, incredulously, serious. Just as you are now..

Listen, this is a serious problem. You're too foolish. You make me repeat myself then complain when I do so. This will be my last post wasted on your retardation. So, again, at the very least, WE MOST CERTAINLY ARE NOT THE PURPOSE.

Again, I hope that's clear? If you can actually come up with a reasonable purpose (rather than make a needless assumption just to make yourself feel warm and fluffy inside,) I'm all ears.

You can start searching from the Bible, I hear it's very logical. Good luck. If that fails I suggest you stick to the evidence. This involves; not making $hit up, including purposes when there are PATENTLY non evident.

Well.....
You did notice the bit were I said you evolved to conform to the universe, and not the other way round, yes?

Well, actually, you did fail to grasp any of that, so it might not have been enough.

That was close, I thought you might have actually assumed that. That's why I started that post with "I hope".

Erm, that is what you call yourself. I've come up against your foolishness before. Did you think you could mask it, oga b?

I'm not exactly sure what you hope to achieve with this?

EDITS; Oh yes, I nearly forgot, that you compare the SCIENTIFIC METHOD, built around FALSIFICATION, against dudes who's usual mode of operation is to provide 'evidence' from a book of collected fairy tales by superstitious herdsmen from 2000 years ago shows the extent of your folly. You do know that while most of the scientific world had not particularly given it much thought, they for the most part believed GOD!!! did it until a better theory arrived, yes? One which made predictions and could be tested. One which has been largely spectacularly successful in explaining various phenomena, yes? You think theories built around falsification are wild speculations? I hope no one lets you anywhere near a lab..

As for deist claims, they're completely unnecessary and often times illogical. Most importantly though, again; completely unnecessary. No evidence to back them up whatsoever at all (except odds? That is FAR from good enough). For instance, people say we exist, therefore GOD!!! That's more first class folly right there. We exist, therefore, something exists. That's all existence proves. That's it. The rest is baggage, add gardens, mammy-water and unicorns to it if you wish, it remains BAGGAGE. Deist claims are similar, wishful thinking for the most part. So, as far as ID is concerned, even the marginally more tenable deist claims, no evidence? Don't expect the scientific community to indulge you.

And please use the internet as school obviously failed you, do some reading. Only folk with mental issues (usually brain washing) would deny evolution took place. It's like denying the sun shines. At the very least one would be making a case for guided evolution (like oga @ds is doing). Still folly, but at least sane.Making claims like vestigials don't exist is well..... Stoopidity alone doesn't justify that kind of folly, willful blindness doesn't cut it.. This is worse than that.. Religious people can blame aforementioned brain washing, what's your excuse?

ooman: so what are you? A deist?

druid06: What if at the last day religion was right and science was wrong after all the centuries of mathematic and scientific evaluations?

plaetton: Oh, by the way, there is no such thing as pseudo-science.
That is just a label for scientific heretics.
In science, wild speculation is allowed and greatly encouraged.

Infact, anything that stimulates thought and imagination is hallmark of scientific quests.

History shows that Every revolutionary idea starts out as a great heresy, and , in the case of science, a pseudo-science.
Alchemy, a pseudo-science, laid the foundations for , and was a forerunner to today's great scientific advancements.

wiegraf: Do you really know what a red herring is? In case you missed it, I'm telling you that the word 'theory' in evolution is used the EXACT same way it is used in relativity.

I don't know for sure that wings on chickens are vestigial and that they were used for flight by an ancestor in the past?

I suppose you're right, god put those wings there because they are delicious.

He did the same with the (sometimes artificially selected) banana. Proof, here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A

Though he probably thought it funny as well. For instance, he gets to see videos like this one and posts as inane as yours.

Reasoning problems I see. I should prove to you that the universe is gargantuan for a reason. This, after I told you it had NO purpose. In other words, NO reason.....

But as it seems you're particularly special, I'll have to point out I mean no CONSCIOUS reason. Or at the very least, if there were one, it certainly wasn't us. The simple fact that you were customized via evolution to adapt to the universe and not the other way round alone settles that. The product of a haphazard, inefficient, purposeless group of processes that took billions of years to produce you.

I hope you don't assume you're the center of the universe. That all this was created...... just for you?! I see, he made hundreds of billions of galaxies just so we could have a nice view at night. That's why the universe is gargantuan. God really loves us, he goes through so much trouble.

If there is a creator, you aren't even an afterthought. Do you need diagrams to digest this, my good 'free thinker'?

wiegraf: Which school did you go to?

druid06: Note that I higlighted the world 'chance' in your statement. It's what I've been trying to say all these while. Creationism believes of an intelligent being with great engineering and architectural skill who created the world and all living organisms to inhabit the earth while science (evolution) says life evolved from a non living thing and the universe was created by chance. Both creationish and evolution don't give a specific and logical answer as to where we really come from and how we got here.

So what the creator of this thread is trying to say, if religion says we were created by an intelligent being why is science being all hypocritical when themselves do not have a definite answer as to how we all got here.

Logicboy03: #Team Weigraff.



Mr Troll, go and open a science book. Dont be like Uyi Iredia and Deepsight who engage in pseudoscientific jargon

plaetton: Mr Troll,
Undirected and infinite series of random chance events have led you from your date of birth to this very thread on this very forum this very day.
That is a fact.
Do you wish to dispute that?

wiegraf: But do note, evolution is a FACT.

wiegraf: Like I said, head first into foolishness. What exactly do you think remnants of limbs were used for? Or what do you think wings on chickens served? I supposed they used those wings back in the day to swim, yes?

Also, the foolishness of focusing on the word 'theory'.. I suppose gravity is just a theory as well, yes? If you jump of a building you won't fall down as it's a nonsense theory. It's not really real, just speculation.

I can tell you, and you guys love to have one repeat himself over and over, that it is by far the more likely 'purpose' as it agrees the most with the evidence. You have a better one that explains to colossal size, randomness, and general capriciousness, then please, do share. Unlike you nutters science will gladly change its stance if shown to be wrong. You see, because it's actually looking for the real answers, not comically making $hit up then pretending to know.

As for your demand that I prove to you this universe is gargantuan........ Well....... I hope you're trolling

ooman: Who is the dunce here? You, whose position is based on assumptions or me, whose position is based on observation.

You know, you theist have a very simple work to do compared to atheists. You propose a conscious God, all you need to do is to call him down. Simple.

We propose randomness, and this we have shown the world.

ooman: Except reason and logic betrays you.

By reason and logic, the atheistic position is satisfied and has one more point than the theistic position.

Chibuebem: with all due respect uyi, you've just shown you dont know the spirit at all. You cant grasp fully truths of the word with the intellect. The words that i speak unto you-jesus said; they are spirit and they are life. And you arent smarter than God, who wrote the scriptures. The very fact that Gods word doesnt change your life, though you claim to know it. Shows that you dont truly know the power behind the written scripture. The word is spiritual, It deals with spiritual people.

wiegraf: Which HAD a purpose but are obviously useless now, therefore one of the effects of evolution. This is a natural explanation for their ubiquity.

Not saying 'don't know, therefore; Evolution (or god, etc)'
Saying 'Do know. Because of evolution'

Again, a natural explanation that agrees with the evidence. Explains why their presence, how they occurred, and indeed what their purpose is, via explaining why they exist. Do you understand?

Rather than 'I don't know', make something up. Illogical as it may be and completely untestable, probably even featuring supernatural elements that have never been or even be tested or confirmed, that contradict natural observations and common sense, then saying it did it? Yes, argument from ignorance.

Don't know, therefore 'GOD', etc = argument from ignorance

Again, just as we know why vestigials exist through nature, we do know why the universe is gargantuan. You already state it; because there is NO PURPOSE. At the very least, it's because we are not the purpose. So, again, a natural explanation that agrees with the evidence. Nothing being made up. Hope that's clear now? If you can come up with a reasonable purpose and the evidence to back it up, please do so. I hope it's not because GOD!! wants to watch big brother earth?

And just how in whargarbl does lots of galaxies = "Voila! Evolution!!!"? Evolution is responsible for the birth of stars?