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OLAADEGBU: They may not be relevant to you because you see through the lenses of a different worldview.

I doubt they'll be relevant to any sensible person here.

If you are consistent with your worldview you should be angry and that's if your worldview makes any sense at all.

you do not know my world view. Moreover you can't tell me when to be angry or not. You really need to get your head out your posterior and see that very few people outside christianity give a damn about your god and your bible.

There is an absolute moral law for all humans as opposed to the worldview that sees humans as just accidents of nature.

your opinion, which you can't defend and which doesn't make any sense.

The Scriptures interpretes itself and has no need for human interpretation. God's moral Law is written on the hearts of all Christians, and this should make us speak with one voice.

hehehehe. So why are you all speaking with legion voices




Wait! Its because they're not genuine christians else they'll be in agreement with you. Right?

You are truly measuring up to your name, Mr Troller:

No answer there?

noblefada: Saved from the repercussions of sin! In case you may ask whose sins, the answer is Adam's! Rom 5:12 KJV Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned and Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; the wages of this sin is death! Rom 6:23

wait o, lemme get this straight. I should be saved from a sin committed by adam about 6000yrs ago? What kind of transfered grudge is that? Who keeps that kind of a grudge?

OLAADEGBU: Why do you get angry seeing pictures of aborted babies?

Are you alright?
I'm talking about all your pictures here and in other threads where they're not relevant. And who says I'm angry? Do you even think your hare-brained emoticons impress me?

The atheist, evolutionary worldview sees people as just animals, murdering a baby to them is not different than a lion killing an antelope.

you be confirmed robot! Sheeple.

But where their inconsistency lies is that while they may get angry if they see a violent murderer on the 10'clock news and expect him to be punished, they would not expect lions to be punished for killing an antelope. Just as they do not expect abortionists to be punished for murdering babies.

would you expect a lion to be punished for killing an antelope? What is this?
If there are laws against abortion in any country I would expect the atheists and theists alike to obey it and surely they'd expect anybody that flaunts it to be punished. But then with your mindset you already think an atheist society will be a lawless one...

The Christians' worldview stems from God's Word and His sovereign nature, they reflect the way God thinks. The Christian is supposed to know some of God's thoughts because God has revealed Himself to us through the words of the Scripture and the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ.

the scriptures being the bible which you all can't agree on who's got the best interpretation of it. Lol

I wonder what your omniscient god thinks about spontaneous abortions...

OLAADEGBU: Atheists in most cases are more sincere than theists even though they are sincerely wrong. But if they are to be consistent with their ideologies none of them will subscribe to pro-life, as it is inconsistent with their worldview.

Many theists on the other hand claim to believe in God but act as if God doesn't exist. For any theist to insist that there are justifiable reasons to murder babies means they are not being consistent with their faith.

1) Your picttures are unnecessary
2) Can you correctly state what the atheist worldview is?
3)That a christian doesn't agree with your view donot make them any lesss of a christian than you are. I'm sure you didn't read through the thread to see if their arguments make any sense.

As usual you just closed your eyes and stereotyped everybody.

Whoever agrees with you is a genuine christian

Whoever disagrees is a fake christian who's not practicing their faith correctly.

All athiests are supposed to be pro-choice in conformity with their worldview.

How re'tarded can it get?

I truly was enjoying this thread until Olaadegbu came in. I mean what did he just do?
Branded everybody Christian who disagreed with his view a 'fake' christian and then insinuated that atheists lack morals because they didn't subscribe totally to pro-life forgetting that in fact not all non-christians are in support of abortion.
A programmed christian robot, he. just like the atheist logicboy except that logicboy is marginally more intelligent.

Logicboy03:


After I trolled for you? Spread butthurt for you?

But I send you?

noblefada: Just accept as Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour and believe he died for you and you're saved.

daz all


But eh, saved from what exactly?

noblefada: Very simple believe in the Lord Jesus Christ!

Believe in him how? Pls explain

So nobody's gonna say anything about end time Only reasonable comments

We give upppp

striktlymi: Musky don't let me get on your case.

still an olodo I see...

Logicboy03: Enjoy your butthurt, madam

#Mr Troll would be so proud of me

No I'm not.

striktlymi: We have demonstrated how flawed that argument is...

'The mother has sovereignty over her home. If she doesn't want her day old baby to be in it, then the baby has to go...if the day old baby is able to survive on the streets then fine. If not, tough luck...'



This argument too has been revealed to be flawed...

If that landlord happens to be the mother of a two year old and she threw the poor lad out of the house...what do you think would be the fate of the landlord?



I did not...only tired of repeating myself and was wondering why Kay was able to understand my point while you and Uyi were not...I figured that the ish is not with my delivery but with what you guys choose to make out of my post.

in other words you were misunderstood?

striktlymi: Your 'douche bag' would be one or more of these:

1) Logicboy
2) Terry
3) Babe online
4) Wiegraf
5) Manmustwac
6) Van
7)Mr Troll Striktlymi

Those form the majority of posters in that page...

ah!

^^^

noblefada: Pls don't show ur ignorance the devil is in charge of these world and the system of this world, it's only xtian believers who are aware of their right in Christ Jesus that are not subject to the devil, except of course you didn't know this before now!

don die oOoº°˚ ˚°ºoOo ! My own hellfire don sure be that. See what I didn't know before, chei!

What must I do good ser to avoid hellfire?

vedaxcool: Context?

*thinking...*





Eh bros, the OP warrant that your 1st epistle?
Or you're trying to sound intelligent now? Too late bro

musKeeto: Why can't Ihedinobi's posts be understood by anyone else apart from him?

All his epistles can't be a waste of space, surely...

Anony understands him. We are not filled with the spirit that's why...



















...The spirit of Anonyism

1st to comment

This thread is meant for those who are seriously interested in learning the Nigerian pidgin.
Feel free to ask for the translation of specific words, phrases, sentence etc

N/B: the pidgin is complex and is usually flavoured with local dialect, slangs and infusions of some of the major Nigerian languages.

Special mention to Texanomaly

Oya let's go there!!!

noblefada: You see the issue with you guys is that u don't understand the bible as much as u think u do. Why attribute natural abortion to God when he is not the one responsible, the same way u attribute so many other evils to God when it is the devil that is involved. Listen the devil is the god this world 2 Cor 4:4.

Again we don't run away from issues or twist them, but rightly dividing. As said before it was not a direct command by Paul to prevent women from teaching but to prevent disorder and problems in the church, the same way he chose to work and preach the gospel without charge lest it be brought it disrepute 2Cor 9:1-23, 1 thes 2:9, the same way he asked us not to cause ur brother to stumble because of meat offer to idols. 1 cor 8: 1- 13, pls read those verses and u will understand what I'm saying. Shalom

yo man, honest advice: stop talking/typing
you're embarrassing even me now

^^^

vedaxcool: Lol Mr. Troll u are living up to name, . . . The interesting thing remain how do u know the truth from things that resemble the truth? How do we know Musiwa satelite pictures aren't a forgery? Or whether Obama is actually a muslim playing up not to be one? How do we know that technology actually works the way it works not by some sort of dark magic? How do we know whether Seun is a muslim or not? How do we know Osama is actually dead? How do we know whether man actually landed on the moon? How do we know whatever information is being passed to us is actually true from lies? How does dummyboy knows he is not in the matrix? How d

Mr. Toll the above questions, in some cases we easily know the truth in others we need to probe deeper, you op manages to scale down peoples argument into it most simplest point, but in so doing it left out the justification for such a point, making the point looking strange and somewhat a joke! So Mr. Toll how do we know u are actually interested in the truth? Truth is I don't? My point is for you to know the truth about things one need to probe deeper! Anyway your op is quite funny especially about the dude who makes the same point several time without realizing it!

@bolds, was that what you understood from the OP?

mcfynest: meaning?[b][/b]

never mind. no time for sheeple.

^^^

Ihedinobi: ^^ Well, do you want to try and defend his claim that I'm attacking a straw man? What is he arguing that I'm misrepresenting?

we give uppp!!!

You troll pass me.
@muskeeto, he wins the game of chairs

[size=18pt]Question: Who/what caused the universe?[/size]

[size=14pt]Answers:…[/size]

Logicboy: don’t be silly! How can you ask me such nonsense question? Nothing caused it!!! #debunked

Muskeeto: I don’t know…

[url=https://www.nairaland.com/deep%20sight]Deep sight[/url]: its energy; the infinite eternal essence of all being, both immaterial and material. And I’m right! No questions.

Ihedinobi: Father did it *long article/essay* I hope nobody misunderstands me.

[url=https://www.nairaland.com/mr%20anony]Anony[/url]: why do you think it’s a what and not a who? Give reasons for whatever position you take. While at it also state what you mean by the following terms: cosmology, argument, universe, cause and effect etc.

Olaadegbu: God. *posts several off point videos about hellfire*

Vedaxcool: Allah. *quotes the Quran to back himself up*

Wiegraf: *long epistle*…*says the same thing several times without realizing it* Nothing.

Thehomer: definitely not their god.

[url=https://www.nairaland.com/alfa%20seltzer]alfaseltzer[/url]: god, although i might be wrong. But come lets worship satan together.

In the off chance the thread gets to front page…

Myriad of watery answers:
1) How dare you ask such questions? May God forgive you
2) Insha allah! *pls don’t offend my religion*
3) I pray the holy spirit touches you
4) Psalm 14:1
5) Its Jehovah shama, elohim, el shaddai, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent etc. Just look at all the beautiful beaches and sunset!!!
And so forth…

mcfynest: we christians do not need all this to prove that God exists, all we need is in the bible. and besides who told you thats how jesus looks like

comprehension mate, comprehension. damn!

Ihedinobi: Mr Troll, what proud unintelligence! Bravo! I haven't yet seen proof that I twisted any argument or changed my position. Harping on the fact that I insisted that I was misunderstood does not at all prove that I did. So, you're still the liar here, my friend.

Er, maybe I should also say it in pidgin: when people talk say I yarn dust and I talk say na lie say dem no understand me, na lie I talk?

I'm not even touching the extremely bogus claim that I have a practice of insisting that I have been misunderstood when people disagree with my arguments. I don't feel the need to go hard on you at all. You're only a troll after all.

yo! hold on to the strawman. it sure is comfortable.

Van snickers: Hell is going to be the Intellectual Hotspot. Imagine spending the Day debating with Plato on Meritocracy, listening to the stories of Homer, debating with Carl Sagan and Hawking on Astrophysics. Einstein, Bertrand Russel, Nietzsche, Hume, Hitchens,Dawkins, Ayn Rand, Orwell, Kaku,DeGrasse e.t.c.

says who ya'll be burning and screamming while satan and his demons will be making meals out of the worms coming out of your insides dohohohohoho
for proof check out one of the numerous videos of Olaadegbu

more...
in reply to the last post by CHAIRMAN^^^

Logicboy03: An epistle of nonsense. You and Anony lack the humility to acknowledge that you were wrong.

This is not an atheist vs theist argument. Please, just shut up

see chairman's reply...

Ihedinobi: Gee, Mr Humble speaks.

Logicboy03: mockery wont save you. Jesoul, Chris and I haveexplained why you were wrong, yet you write epistles and claim that we dont understand your comment. Typical anonyism. I have taken a zero tolerance towards anonyism

Ihedinobi: Lol. See dis guy o! [size=28pt]Chris and JeSoul misunderstood me[/size], the latter, I'm sure, because of her kind and sympathetic heart, the former, I think, because of an annoyance at my attitude or something. You, on the other hand, did not misunderstand me, you did not understand me at all in the first place.

all hail the chairman!!!






abeg i don tire. make una click the link go see the thing

















WAIT!!!
see what someone said to him in reply to something else in that same thread...

iv4fb: Does Nigeria currently make sense to you? How then can the hope be alive? If things are in place, Nigeria can be restored to her former glory. The hope aint alive now coz nothing is in place or seem to be working and people aint working to make it work now. Where there is life, 'there is hope', who's talking about been elected. Mind you, I have a right to my own opinions and if indeed they don't make sense, you're to shut up since they were not addressed to u and dont reply me. now I understand you already made up ur mind that I'm not making sense and there's certainly no need to keep up with u, I now understand the essence of the choice of words used against u here-i won't descend to ur level to trade words with u, so do have a nice life Mr always right and everyone else wrong!


[size=28pt]PS: I regret participating in this discussion with you the wisest nairalander, I though all the people here were wrong about u[/size].

i rest my case.

link here

Ihedinobi: Figured I should address this. You'll forgive me, won't you?

I saw his story on this thread before he created a new thread for it. I did feel for him but strongly disagreed with his conclusions regarding the matter. I refrained from expressing what I thought because I felt he might receive my opinions as a belittling of his misfortune. However, it might serve everyone if I expressed those views now.

If I came to the US and stayed away from the parks because I thought I would have to pay to enjoy them (my understanding is that you don't, am
I right?), I think I would be rightly labeled "naive". If in the same country I refused to call the police when someone pulls a fast one on me and threatens me too just because I'm afraid that the police would seize the opportunity to blow large holes in my pocket, I'm pretty sure I'd get educated on how I'm no longer in Nigeria. My point is, it was a very naive thing to do to be on the streets of Lagos in any thing short of an armoured tank at that time of the night. Plain naive. It was also hilarious, incredibly too maybe, that he should have expected more from the Nigerian police than he got.

That's the point I was trying to make about treating each nation and people-group according to their uniqueness and peculiarity. It's useless to say, "it should not be so, such-and-such does this and has that or would not have allowed that or condoned this". The reality is, you're not in such-and-such, you're in Nigeria. You should act like it.

Now acting like it is not necessarily condoning failure, instead it's recognizing and acknowledging its existence and as such. That in itself is the first step toward fixing the failure. Nobody ever fixed anything by wishing or complaining them away. They always started by making their peace with the fact that there was something to be fixed.

So, while you could probably very quickly and effortlessly supply fifty more horrid stories like his before I've finished telling one good one, the question is: is there hope, or is there a practical basis for hope that Nigeria will turn around? As long as I can point to at least one positive thing that does not fail in the face of the hundred negatives, there is hope. Question asked and answered.

answer by jesoul

JeSoul: Infact ehn...I'm not sure I want to touch this post lol.

If you're indeed saying basic and fundamental social ideals or expectations of proper human behavior should not be universal....then you're on your own oh! Nigeria does not exist in a vaccum - if we don't demand we rise up the world standards - well this is why we're fading more & more in the rear view mirror compared to much of the world. And I'm afraid the daily grind in naija may have imprinted a sort of desensitized cynicism on you (my turn to yab abi? ) no but really - I'm serious, recognizing failure does not have to take on this folded-arm approach of "well, it is what it is". I fear you oh.

another response...

Chrisbenogor:
Yo Yo YO YO
This is so not cool, you have just demonstrated that you lack the practical and intellectual onus to discuss anything Nigeria and Nigerian. So what about the people that were in their houses? They should not be in anything less than a fortified bunker?
SHAKING MY HEAD

chairman's response...

Ihedinobi: [size=28pt]I think you might have completely misunderstood me[/size]. I was not at all implying that it is not right to expect and demand right behavior and proper conduct from human beings wherever they are. I was saying that even such an expectation must be balanced with the correct appreciation of the obtaining realities.

For instance, would you roll up to a grocery store in a gang-infested ghetto in New York and leave your car unlocked just because you can do it in, say, Beverly Hills? Or would you take a walk at night in an alley right there in the US known for its attraction for r.ap.i.sts, especially without a means of securing your safety first? And these because there's a basic and fundamental social ideal of human behavior that is universal?

I'm imagining that you'll agree with me that my questions are rhetorical. You couldn't do such things in the States for such a reason. You'd be considered mentally imbalanced or stu.pid, I think. It's the same with the issue. Granted Nigeria should not be a jungle, but it sure as nails is. Because it is, while every reasonable person with Love in their heart is working to fix the situation, such a person will also respect the realities on ground. That means that any day I come over to the States, you could come along with me for a late-night drive but there's no chance on earth I'm ever gonna spin my wheels after 10pm on the streets of Lagos if I can do anything about it until I'm sure that the Nigerian policeman on the streets has had his head fixed.

In this case, it would seem that I'm the one being realistic rather than you, wouldn't you say?

another one...

Ihedinobi: Oh damn! Done gone and stirred the freaking hornets' nest, have I.

Guys, I'm just saying that while his experience was very unfortunate, the chances of it happening at all would have been very very low, very near to zero, if he had only accounted correctly for the current social and economic realities of Nigeria. I'm not at all excusing those murderers and ra.pists.

Chrisbenogor, have you considered that they might have been hanging around waiting for some night owl to show up with a free ride for them? Would they have been able to get around and break into people's homes if they hadn't jacked Deep Sight's SUV? Perhaps . . . maybe if they'd got some other unfortunate guy or lady. But they apparently needed the wheels.

It even makes sense to me that they hung around at the entrance of the estate. I come from a lower middle class background and I assure you that you won't find many with such backgrounds hanging around at night. But the upper classes tend to begin to feel untouchable and grow careless so that it would make sense for some late bird to show up and conveniently hand their ride over to them hooligans.

jesoul...

JeSoul: ^But what about the people that were sitting down in their own homes minding their business? (to echo Chris' point)

JeSoul: A little but I think I get the main gist of your position - "in naija it is what it is so act accordingly" abi?

I totally understand and concur with recognizing where you are - and then adjusting your behavior to protect yourself. That is reasonable. What is not reasonable is that it seems to be the norm rather than the exception - and that you appear almost non-chalantly resigned to this reality is....I dunno, not cool & not inspiring.

I stayed out late ~12am one night with friends in this very same area and my dad was freaking out when I returned. I now see how foolish I was - to have a misplaced expectation of not being invaded at my girl's house and being robbed & ra.ped. I know you don't condone the evil, but the way you articulate your position leaves a lot to be desired sir.

another one by Chrisbenogor

Chrisbenogor: Ihedinobi,
I did not want to answer you on the deep sight issue but just incase you are thinking you made sense, let me tell you why I still think it was in bad taste and how you lack a fundamental understanding of lagos and Nigeria.

First and foremost the rich people in Nigeria especially lagos are the most security conscious people. The very rich have bullet proof cars and some have gun slinging mobile policemen on standby. Your asssertion that because he is upper class society which makes him unconcerned with security issues is factually basless. Victoria Island is as safe as it can get in lagos, there are times when you have to go out late to do something like take your sister Jesoul to that christian night club at oriental hotel.
If not him then maybe they would get someone else, and those people who jejedly stayed in their houses still get robbed, your argument folds completely on itself.


Finally how does all this spell hope?
Walks away shaking my head.

ihedinobi's reply...

Ihedinobi: There's such a thing as a Christian night club? And in a hotel in Lagos? Now that's something I gotta see!

You know, I think you got my arguments a bit twisted and you didn't quite account for its entirety.

I've considered trying to untangle the confusions in your representation of my take on the matter and have even tried. It's really not a cool job. So now I've highlighted the parts I have trouble with.

It's easy to think that the green follows from the red, but does it really? Not necessarily. The same thing that has you thinking that the rich are the most security conscious is the thing I say that makes them careless. If I were a criminal, targeting the rich would be more work and would involve greater risk, but it would not be impossible and the rewards would certainly more attractive. Also, it would be easier because they would actually be more careless than people who have to ride around in cars that are not bullet-proof and cannot afford an armed private guard. Being security-conscious is more than building an impregnable (in-ya-mind tinz) vault around oneself.

The blue. I didn't quite make this assertion. I mentioned the upper classes as a psychology. Consider that night clubbing is cool and probably very safe in more developed countries. People return home between midnight and four a.m. without issues. Here in Nigeria, it is still done, but, as far as I know, by daredevils. These daredevils are not limited to the upper classes but the feeling of safety in the act (that is, night movement) is a psychology peculiar to the upper classes and "westernized" Nigerians. I pointed that out to give a possible reason for which the whole thing surprised him. Any other Nigerian in touch with the realities of our country would not have been surprised.

The purple. Apparently, being in Lagos, Nigeria is a severe handicap for Victoria Island safety-wise.

The brown. This is where you completely lost my argument. This part indicates that you think I was blaming Deep Sight for his misfortune. That's why you were upset enough to ignore my arguments and then, more likely than not, [size=28pt]misrepresent them due to misunderstanding[/size]. I do not blame him. I am only pointing out that he had the wrong score of Nigeria. If he hadn't, his story may have been the same but his sentiments would have been different.
Also, I did point out that those criminals were probably out there waiting for wheels. It just happened to be Deep Sight. I know a few people that would have pulled crazy stunts to get away from them, believe me. And those people are like that because they understand Nigeria.

As for the hope side of things, "hope" can only truly be hope if it's built on a practical foundation. I have hope despite this story, because it does not invalidate my answer to Nigeria's problems. You see, this story says, "Nigeria is so dangerous and unsafe. One can't even enjoy a late-night drive without running into murderers and r'apists. And even when one has, the police can't do shyt about it. Therefore Nigeria is hopeless." Obviously, I completely disagree. What the story does is say that a very bad rash is incurable because it's on the butt and doesn't allow one the pleasure of sitting.
I say instead that, yes, Nigeria is indeed unsafe for late-night drives because you really could run into very nasty people and if you survived it, the police could worsen your pain with their annoying nonchalance and unprofessionalism. But even for all that, if I could help to clean up the business front and help more Nigerians get more productive, there's a chance that, perhaps slowly, but surely, some day, the Nigerian citizenry first and then the police will have grown so strong and able that late-night drives will only be a question of convenience.

note the bold parts...