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Jesus saith "I am the way the truth and the Life. No man can come into the Father except by me". John 14:6

"Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen."
Ephesians 3:21

The Lords Chosen is characterised with testimonies of every kind that prove the power and presence of God and the divinity of Jesus Christ, who is Alpha and Omega, The First and The Last.

Hear the wonderful testimonies of the Lord's doing and get ready to grab your own as the anointed Man of God mounts the pulpit to minister to us.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCTpSz18J4PkEN6a2_HsZsSw/videos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYHA3kexyJk

Since Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, God had always raised and sent prophets to Israel from Moses to Jesus Christ. And none was Arabic

Prophet Mohammed was never sent to Israel but to the Arabs. He is a scam.

This could potentially be a false news.

FrLukas:
I learnt that Cannabis oil can be used to treat epilepsy.

Why don't both of you do the research together instead of stressing the life out of each other?

Logan95 this is true.

Also she can instantly get heal when she attend The Lord's Chosen Program. We are having a crusade 8th and 9th titled, "From Sorrow to Joy". People like her are desired in this program for God to demonstrate his power.

Venue: Odofin Park Estate by Ijesha Bustop

ENEMYOFGOD6:


how do we get here as a country ? it is impossible for a man to take another Man's Penis.we have been hearing the Penis lost since 13AD, but nobody has a concrete evidence to back up their allegedly disappeared Penis.nonsense liar.

Mr. But the accused confessed to the crime na!

I pray for God's saving grace upon your life in Jesus name, Amen.

ifyalways:
Why did they not show a picture of the missing P? The made a whole ass video but forgot to show us that part?

Nne but the accused confessed to the crime naw! You want to see hellfire first before you believe. There's no going back oo.

There is God oo

All these Nairaland top comments show that the internet has had a very very very bad influence on many users.

AntiChristian:
No! I am not three in one! If the body dies, i am no more human. If the soul dies then the body starts to decay.

If your God is a spirit. Does a spirit have body, soul and mind?

Stop comparing a spirit God with a human with body. mind and soul.

Just listen to yourself. Sounding so dumb as you attempt to avoid the glaring truth.

AntiChristian:
Does your God have body, soul and mind? If yes then this may be applicable.
But if your God does not have......then it is not applicable.

Jesus and the father act like separate individuals not one. Even the analogy you mentioned, the body, soul and mind are not separated all the time.

I never insinuated that God is a Body, Soul and Mind. God is a Spirit.

You are three in one. [Yes/No]

AntiChristian:
Don't skip the discuss! The father knows but the son doesn't know! They obviously can't be one. And stop relating God to humans! God is distinct and not comparable to humans.

If the son was one with the father then he would have know the hour!

I believe there is only one God who is indivisible, not the son nor the spirit.

Ever read Genesis 1:26-27 ?

1) Can you body live without your spirit?
2) Can your Spirit lift physical objects without your body?

Are you not then divisible? I asked you before about Astral Projection, you avoided that too. Your mind is so rigid. May God help you.

Good improvements

AntiChristian:
Matthew 24:36 and Mark 13:32 Jesus said "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. He mentioned himself distinct from the father as not knowing! Only the father knows and the son does not knows!

2) I can't answer that question. But this shows that they are one. Even though the Trinity manifests each differently.


So you mean Jesus was a liar by saying sins against him will be forgiven but not that of the spirit?

Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, any sin and blasphemy can be forgiven. But blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

You eyes was obviously heavy with sleep when you typed this.

The Father forgives, Jesus Forgives, but the Holyghost does not forgive.
I just related this to how humans forgive.

Only The Father knows means The Holyghost doesn't know the day or hour of the coming.

Okay a question to you. Do you believe the Holyghost is God?

okosunehis:
"Blow grammar"? I wish I could say that of myself!...LOL

I don't really know what your grouse is with John 3:16 and its NIV and NLT rendition. Maybe you can explain in your response. So, I am sharing some of the regular sources I use when trying to understand scripture. The focus is on the Greek word "monogenes" which is translated as "only begotten" in KJV. It also appears in 8 other verses of the Bible.

NB: Maybe you got me wrong. My favorite translation of the Bible is actually KJV, but no version is free of errors because no translator is free of some level of bias. Therefore, I try not to get stuck with one or even two versions; I just compare and contrast as much available versions as possible.

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JOHN 3:16
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NIV - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,...

NLT - For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son,...

ESV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son,...

KJV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,...


HEBREWS 11:17
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NIV - ... He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son,

NLT - ... Abraham, who had received God’s promises, was ready to sacrifice his only son, Isaac,

ESV - ... and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son,

KJV - ... and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

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Monogenēs
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From Wikipedia
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Monogenes has two primary definitions, "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship" and "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind". Thus monogenēs (μονογενής) may be used both as an adjective monogenēs pais, meaning unique and special. Its Greek meaning is often applied to mean "one of a kind, one and only". Monogenēs may be used as an adjective. For example, monogenēs pais means only child, only legitimate child or special child. Monogenēs may also be used on its own as a noun. For example, o monogenēs means "the only one", or "the only legitimate child".

The word is used in Hebrews 11:17-19 to describe Isaac, the son of Abraham. However, Isaac was not the only-begotten son of Abraham, but was the chosen, having special virtue. Thus Isaac was "the only legitimate child" of Abraham. That is, Isaac was the only son of Abraham that God acknowledged as the legitimate son of the covenant. It does not mean that Isaac was not literally "begotten" of Abraham, for he indeed was, but that he alone was acknowledged as the son that God had promised.


From Bible Study Tools
- https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/monogenes.html
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The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 3439
Phonetic Spelling: mon-og-en-ace'
Parts of Speech: Adjective
Definition: single of its kind, only
- used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
- used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God

NAS Word Usage - Total: 9 (only 3, only begotten 6)

The devils and his ministers would have succeeded in falsely proving Bible is full of contradictions if KJV had "one and only son" as it translation. Why? Because in several parts of the scripture there are mentioned SONS OF GOD.
This will instantly dilute the uniqueness of Jesus. And an explosion of heresies.

KJV is right to refer to Isaac as Abraham's only Begotten Son. Abraham had only one wife.

This translation of "one and only Son" in Hebrews is therefore incorrect, Because he had other son from another woman. Isaac is not his only Son. But he is the only Begotten because Abraham was only meant to have one son. But because of sin, impatience he bore another against the will of God. Moreover, we Christians are Sons of God (adopted).

Jesus came out from God. The other sons of God were created by God. Jesus is uncreated. By him all things were created [Colossians 1:16.]

AntiChristian:
So why is the father omniscient and the son was not if truly they are one?

Why is the sin against the spirit unforgivable but that against the son is forgivable?

Gosh, I you even reading my posts. And it's like you forget so easily.

The Son is Omniscient. Jesus himself said he is "..the Alpha and Omega, The First and The Last".
I've said many things and quoted many scriptures that undoubtedly prove they are one.

2) I can't answer that question. But this shows that they are one. Even though the Trinity manifests each differently.

Let's take a typical example: Sometimes, when someone does you wrong really offends you and he/she apologises, you(the flesh/mouth) might say "I have forgiven you, go in peace". But in you heart, you haven't forgiven the person because you still hurt badly and if given an opportunity, will retaliate.
See how the body and mind are one but can conflict on some issues.
Same with temptations. You don't want to do it, but you want to do it. You want to forgive but you find it hard to forgive.

AntiChristian:
Don't confuse yourself!
Jesus can't worship the father whom he is one with nor can he cry Eli, Eli Eli Lama....to someone whom he is one with!

If you were a $1million Robot military hardware. I'm sure you will be glorifying your software that makes you unique and is one with you.
Hardware, Software and Electricity are one.

The Father sent the Son. The Son glorifies him.
"Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me."

Whatever the Father commands, the Son executes. Therefore, he is rightfully called God, though they are one.
When God the Father said, let there be light, it was The Son/Word that fulfilled the command. The Son created the whole world as the Godhead commanded.

okosunehis:
NIV
6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus

Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and

blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the

Spirit is the truth.

7 For there are three that testify:

8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three

are in agreement.

KJV
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus

Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it

is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is

truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the

Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are

one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the

Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three

agree in one.

NLT
6 And Jesus Christ was revealed as God’s Son by his

baptism in water and by shedding his blood on the cross

[b]—not by water only, but by water and blood. And the

Spirit, who is truth, confirms it with his testimony.

7 So we have these three witnesses[c]—

8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three

agree.

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Like you rightly said, 1 John 5:7 is a statement that begs further explanation, which is provided in the very next verse. The many other translations of the Bible did not remove from scripture, rather it is the KJV and other KJ translations that added to the original Greek text.

I have zeroed in on the text in context, taking it from the verse before and the one after so that we can expatiate on the intended narrative. Please follow me closely;

i) You can easily see the consistency in what Apostle John was saying coming from verse 6. His focus was on the authenticity of the messianic mission of Christ as the Son of God. He alludes that Christ's earthly ministry was confirmed not by just one or two evidences, but by three -
water, blood (life components of the terrestrial body) and spirit. So verses 7 and 8 are just to reinforce the message already passed in verse 6.

ii) The translators committed eisegesis by attempting to sneak in the doctrine of Trinity on verse 7. Verse 7 in KJV is not consistent with verses 6 and 8.

iii) In a very deceptive application of semantics, verse 7 of the KJV uses the phrase "bear record" and then "bear witness" in verse 8. Also, verse 7 of KJV says the three "are one" and verse 8 reads "agree in one". Another juxtaposition of contexts. To be "one" and to be in agreement mean two different things.

iv) Let us not lose sight of what St. John was discoursing - the earthly ministry of Christ and how it was confirmed for all on earth to see; by water, blood (being a physical man) and the Spirit (as a bird during his baptism). This has nothing to do with who bears records in heaven.

v) Assuming (without conceding) that the KJV's translation of verse 7 is correct; was Christ in heaven bearing record (or acting an evidence, testimony) of his earthly mission same time he was on earth? I hope you can spot the incoherence.

In conclusion, the KJV rendition of 1 John 5:7 is not consistent with the original Greek scripture, not coherent or consistent with surrounding verses and not consistent with other scriptural references. Hence it is not just a mistranslation, but an interpolation.

My dear, you obviously can blow Grammer. But there is no truth in what you are saying.

What about John 3:16?

NLT (New Living Translation)
NIV (New International Version)

AntiChristian:
No Church preaches Jesus. You Preach for people to increase in your branch! And you haven't answered any of my former questions!

Yeah! Why Lord chosen and not Catholic, JW, Redeem, Winners, Deeper Life, Anglican, Celestial, Cherubim, etc?

Which church did Jesus chose for you and did you recognize Jesus' Church?

Before your church came into existence where all other Christians not Christians?

Can you preach for people to attend other church denominations like Redeem, Winners, etc or its only Father Lazarus that has the magic wand?

Like I said, some churches preach heresies, some believe in post-tribulation as opposed to Pre-tribulation. Some make it compulsory for women to cover their hair, other churches are indifferent. Some preach/focus on prosperity gospel 100% and some focus on preaching and teaching about Holiness. Miracles happen in some churches while in some(many) churches miracles don't happen at all. Even some churches that purport to do signs&wonders are doing so with demonically derived powers. Some churches don't believe in miracles. Some churches uphold the "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" doctrine. Some churches ask their members to worship naked (without cloths).
There is a very wide diversity/differences in the churches.

Spiritually, the church is one (The body of Christ). But all those churches that doesn't practise Holiness/righteousness are none of his.
WHY? because

2 Timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this #seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour."

AntiChristian:
Yeah! Why Lord chosen and not Catholic, JW, Redeem, Winners, Deeper Life, Anglican, Celestial, Cherubim, etc?

Which church did Jesus chose for you and did you recognize Jesus' Church?

Before your church came into existence where all other Christians not Christians?

We advertise our church because there are many churches, many shepherds, many bishops. Some/many of which are either false or preach diluted doctrines/heresies.

We preach Jesus Christ, not church. There is a concrete difference between advertising your company and selling your products. When they come to our church, they hear the undiluted gospel, receive prayers and followup (which is the most important). If you don't have a company page/brand how can your customers return/identify the organisation they belong? They will go other places since they can't find you. And possibly never get the same warmeth/satisfaction they got in your company/ the products.

AntiChristian:
What an Answer! Now you agree Jesus was alone in Mary's womb and he died alone so how will he be one with the spirit and father ?

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter(Holyghost) is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Son came to do the work of saving mankind through his death/resurrection. He finished his work.


ABOUT THE HOLYGHOST
The Holyghost has his own work which he already started since the Ascension of Jesus Christ to Heaven. His work is to give spiritual gifts, guide, uphold, strengthen the believers in Christ and use them. The Holyghost will finish his work at the sound of the last trumpet.

2 These 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

CaveAdullam:
Muttleylaff, MrZENographer, FOLYKAZE you guys should come carry your bro o.

AntiChristian:
OK, 1. When Jesus was in the womb of Mary, Was the Father & Spirit also there? (Yes or No)

2. Did they all came out together? (Yes or No) 3. when did dey separate?

3. When John.... baptized Jesus a voice came from heaven saying this is my beloved son...? Whose voice? Jesus, Spirit or father or the three together?

1) No
2) No
3) No
4) The Father's Voice.
"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him". And a voice from Heaven said " This is my beloved Son..." Luke 3:22

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost. These three are one.

AntiChristian:
Where did Jesus say you should preach about Lord Chosen? Na Lord's Chosen be the gospel?

Seriously! Are you for real?

okosunehis:
Sorry, 1 John 5:7 is a heavily mistranslated verse in KJV. Trinitarian translators only tried to give the man-made doctrine called Trinity some Biblical authority by translating this verse wrongly. Compare it with many other versions and you'll understand.

New International Version
- For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
- So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
- For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
- For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
- For there are three bearing testimony:

New American Standard Bible
- For there are three that testify:

New King James Version
- For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

King James Bible
- For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Christian Standard Bible
- For there are three that testify:

Contemporary English Version
- In fact, there are three who tell about it.

Good News Translation
- There are three witnesses:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
- For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version
- For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible
- For there are three that testify,

New Heart English Bible
- For there are three who testify:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
- And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

Etc, etc.

The link below might also be of help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture

These translations removed from the scripture and it is so obvious because it's an unfinished sentence/statement. WHO?

In John 3:16 many of these false translations removed "ONLY BEGOTTEN" which distinguished Jesus Christ from "Sons of God" (Job 1:6-12 etc). This is damning.

There are many others. This ones mentioned are at my finger tips.

CaveAdullam:
When I say you are a clown I wasn't missing words.

Looooooooool. You are funny dude, really funny.

Parable ko parable ni.

Muttleylaff, MrZENographer, FOLYKAZE you guys should come carry your bro o.

Looooooooool.

@Antichristian

John 10:29 "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him."

Someone post a comparison of soul, spirit body of man to a Robot's trinity (Hardware, Software and Electricity)

Is the software greater than the hardware, vice versa or equal in power? Take a Stern look at your laptop/phone and answer me.


These three are one.

There's only one thing I figured I disagree with here.

Your Bible version recommendation which is possibly adulterated.


Example compare it to KJV reading this scripture verse "1 John 5:7"

AntiChristian:
Do you need to advertise your Lord God?

Yes!

Mark16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

Acts 8:4 "Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word."

AntiChristian:
Can you quote a Bible verse that says you should put on the lemon colored waist shirt you Chosen guys put on? Was it put on by Jesus or Paul too?

Hahayayaya, you are derailing your own thread.

We use apron as mobile advertisement of our crusades/programs. That is the purpose of it's creation.

Any creative strategy used to promote the gospel/church is very much approved by God.

I don't think My Lord Jesus his early apostles were printing flyers or sending emails to followers or posting sign boards. Arts and technology has drastically improved since then.

Janosky:
Pls put 1 JOHN 5:7 KJV FRAUD for dustbin.

John 5:37. 6:46. 14:1.
You belong to Christ & Christ belongs to God"
1 Cor 3:23. Compare Matt 10:40.
Rev 3:5,12 compare Matt 10:32-33 & John20:17.
Receive sense F. O. C

You simply lack understanding like a one-celled organism. Ask God for wisdom, knowledge and understanding. He will give you. James 1:5

Janosky:
FRAUD !

Is that all!