₦airaland Forum

agaugust:
Most of DENEL production is Rifles and MRAPs...LOL...DICON Nigeria produces rifles too, and NA Engrs produce APC, Proforce building our MRAP.

So where is all your so called indegenous South African Hi-Tech stuff? Plenty of European owned equipment, radars, advanced ammunition, electronics and optronics, Brazilian missile technology transfer, Finland's Badger IFV tech transfer....

90% of South African defence industry is OWNED by EUROPEAN COMPANIES ! Fact !!!

South African claims of owning advanced defence industry is FAKE !
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You are truly insane.

South African indigenous company springbok is helping Nigeria to produce MRAP. How pathetic!!!


South Africa has more than 100 big defence industries majority of whom are indigenous.

http://www.asdsource.com/source_advancesearch2.asp?Country=South%20Africa

Denel cannot be compared to Dicon. The Dicon is dead. Denel produces Missiles, Bombs, Guided Munitions, MRAPS, Artillery Guns, Heavy Machine guns, etc. Dicon cannot produce any of those. Let us tell the truth and spare ourselves from lies.

Agaust is truly insane by suggesting that these over 100 South African industries is 90% owned by Europe. I beg to differ.

http://www.asdsource.com/source_advancesearch2.asp?Country=South%20Africa

European giants only bought existing few South African companies and not even 100% mainly bought controlling 51% shares.

DENEL WHICH PRODUCES MOST (70%)WEAPONS IN SOUTH AFRICA IS 100% PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN OWNED COMPANY.

Rheinmetall is only in partnership with Denel to produce shells and bombs both in Cape and Potchefstroom. They do not have 100% owned company in South Africa.

agaugust:

Europeans OWN 90% your over-hyped South African defence industry....Southies build almost NOTHING !

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That is completely wrong. Foreign owned defence industries in South Africa make only 20%.



BAE has left the shores of South Africa after Denel bought its shares out.

agaugust:
[size=13pt] Since all you South Africans are too dull to interpret your own country's business law, we Nigerians did it for you yesterday.

South African over-hyped, so called 'advanced defense industry' is 90% European owned companies exporting technical manpower, hardware, software, spare parts, factory production machinery, engineers, technicians, etc massively into South Africa into companies that have been formed as South African based foreign branches, which South African BEE law compels to sell shares to black Southie block-headed dullards and change the company names to include South Africa's name.

The ANC Southie law forces this share sales as a condition for government patronage and contracts, otherwise SANDF will NOT buy anything from those European companies and their businesses will collapse and die.

That law allows the Europeans to control the technology and manufacturing, while South Africa's incompetent BEE managers and directors control administration with their shareholdings.

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

European owners in the head offices of the parent companies in Europe still have the power to pull out of South Africa if they wish, then the so called defence industry of South Africa will collpase and be reduced to mere MRAP manufacturing majorly.

In accounting and finance, it is what we call foreign subsidiary with majority or minority shareholding interest.

Now Exposed : South African defence industry is 90% European companies foreign branches ! [/size]

https://d386vep05x5edh.cloudfront.net/product_images/1156/1156899_500px_jpg/thales_s_a_france_company_reports.jpg
https://www.adsadvance.co.uk/media/images/2013/Thales%20125th%20UK%20PM%20lasgow%204%20April%202013.jpg

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Stop misleading people with your propaganda.

All SA based defence industries which have partly or dominating shares of European partnership have all started as South African companies. Later as times go on, large European defence cooperates started showing interests in those companies and ended up either buying 51% or 60% shares of such companies. Examples of such partnership will follow.

Thales bought controlling shares from Thales defence system from SOUTH AFRICA. A company which was established in 1967.

Denel wins a major contract in the middle East.


http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/denel-wins-major-vehicle-contract-from-middle-east-2015-11-09

Patchesagain:
You know that we make all of those things?

The only exception being robots... and your "robot" is absolute trash... more akin to a high school science fair project than something that is actually usefull.

Yes, you are completely and utter inferior in every measurable way.

Robots are being made by pupils in Mzansi. Fact!!

It is now certain that SANDF is reestablishing the UAV squadron which is 10 squadron as confirmed by Mr Masondo. So we can now be rest assured that the seeker 400 armed versions were bought by SANDF.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-39649/

Namibia water crisis hope is caused by dilapidated infrastructure as well and not drought.

http://www.informante.web.na/windhoek-faces-drastic-water-crisis.16512

SA water shortage is caused by drought not infrastructure because our water sources are drying up because of evaporation.

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/news-fast-news/drought-may-cause-water-shortages-in-sas-biggest-city/

I lived in Gauteng for many years and I have never experienced a situation like this,.I only hear that it once happened when I was young. If it was infrastructure why was it not happening all this while and only wait for drought to come to effect? It just doesn't make sense.

lezz:
It doesn't add to anything under context here.

You said my link didn't prove my point and when I furnished you with excerpts on your weak infrastructure and dilapidation of supply links, you started jumbing about reigning insults on the writer and bringing points out of context.

Zulus can't stay focused.

That's a lie. SA has been supplying water constantly before all the advent of this drought which first started with Botswana some two years ago. However, the water restriction does not affect the while country, only few provinces. KZN and Gauteng

Pehaps Botswana as well suffers from water crisis because of infrastructure.



http://en.starafrica.com/news/botswana-water-crisis-worsens.html

http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=2&aid=64&dir=2013/may/Monday20

SA is experiencing El Nino which is now impacting on its water storages and the problems has less to do with infrastructure. Bringing infrastructure into this has more to do with politics by some dissidents who are trying to score some cheap political goals. I have been living around Gauteng from cradle and this situation as we were told is caused by drought which has been hitting KZN for some time.


http://af.reuters.com/article/southAfricaNews/idAFL8N13532R20151110

lezz:
Pathetic. Yet you're condemning the writer

Dummy!!! SA has not been experiencing heavy rains in five years and drought which is also affecting parts of SADEC such as Botswana has now led to serious water shortage.

http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/c6b4bf004a89b74b8aa2aaa65ed2c195/South-Africans-urged-to-change-watering-practices-20151111

lezz:
Still changing the focal point albeit desperately this time around.

You said my link was wrong but I see you're now defending your country with that same link

You see why zulus are forever intriguing to me

Yes, your link is wrong 100%. I reckon that.

lezz:
Lay the bullshit aside.
You claimed my source proved me wrong. Defend yourself. Let me see you say that there's no mention of infrastructure and supply in south Africa's water woes.

Nigeria cities cannot even provide 30% of their citizens with clean water. Guess who is talking about infrastructure.

lezz:
You're digressing. Stick to your claims.

Anyway you have implicitly admitted you never read the article in full.

The writer should have instead investigated how many of 180 million of Nigerians have access to water and sanitation and compare that to South Africa. He surely could have never wrote that aticle knowing that South Africans are just better off than the rest of the continent

lezz:
Let me also quote from the same source. Note that you said south Africa is dry which I never denied . I only opined that there are also other issues contributing to your water crisis like infrastructure and water facility. Here is an excerpt from the quote :



Also, preventative measures that were put in place such as the construction of dams in the area have not even started or are still in the process of being built and those structures that are in place now are slowly collapsing. Those in rural areas still lack access to water. One report stated that in 2008 about 5 million people lack access to water and 15 million lack access to basic sanitation. This number has improved greatly since the end of apartheid in 1994, however these numbers are still too high and not one person should ever lack access to the most basic necessity of life, which is water.



Overall, infrastructure is lacking, whether or not it is old pipes or ignorance the South Africa water crisis is here and affecting millions. There has been a backlog in services since the end of apartheid and that needs to change. The national and local governments of South Africa need to do a better job of offering services to their people. Supplies need to be given to those most in need. By taking care of the rural population the government will be helping the cities, because it is these rural communities where the damage to the water supply is beginning due to lack of access to sanitation supplies and clean water education.


It is either you didn't read the post to the end or you're a hopeless Zulu suffering from word-blindness and having the attention span of a domestic squirrel. _idiota.

The writer of this article should have instead visited Nigeria and other African countries to assess how far such countries have fared up to now as far as provision of clean water to the public is concerned. The world is expecting SA to be spotless and look like Europe while they are ignoring the rest of Africa.

I assure you, SA is by far better than the rest of the continent.

lezz:
You dyslexic, drooling baboon of a muppet! !!

You couldn't see I was responding to your monkey zulu who quoted me. _Stupid frog.


The problem with you _idiots is that you're _fucking self-righteous and hypocritical.

15 million South Africans are without basic water and sanitation . Deal with that and stop bellowing like a buffoon.

N.B I thought you were the drooling newt who said he wasn't going to quote me again.

Seems I always have a way of crawling under your light skin.


What sanity are you talking about? Your evasive arguments and needless comparisons?

You have misquoted Snyder and he does not not suffer from dyslexia at all. You are confusing characters here. You are even wrong with your 15 million because your source states clearly that in 2008 there were some 15 million South Africans who did not have access to sanitation and water majority of whom lived in villages, but they admmited that the situation improved to a greater extent ever since.

The only part of SA that still struggles with water supply and sanitation is the one that is situated in remote area where installations of pipes is impossible since most of those villages are in mountaneous places.

Henry240:
Those two countries(Turkey and Israel) are not more powerful than Iran either.

I differ completely.

lezz:
It's not as simple as just a water scarcity issue. It is more of infrastructure and water supply.


http://thewaterproject.org/water-in-crisis-south-africa

Even your own source proves you wrong. You are indeed a true dunder head I have ever met on Nairaland. I quote from your source:


There are many reasons that attribute to this growing water crisis in South Africa. Climate change has affected water supplies within the region. Rains that usually come and supply the country's water has come infrequently. For example in Durban the Dams are 20 percent lower than at the start of 2010. Due to this fact cities are looking to impose water restrictions on communities. Quote closed.

Some of the people must just stop analysing water scarcity of SA because they know anything about SA, they must just come and ask us. Here is the list of some of many dams in SA and they are a very big, however the list is incomplete. We have infrastructure the problem is rain to fill up those dams.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_in_South_Africa

Here is Nigeria's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_and_reservoirs_in_Nigeria

That is all a lie. South Africa has some of the biggest dams in the world. The problem is the rain.


http://m.ewn.co.za/2015/11/08/Reliingious-organisations-to-pray-for-rain

http://mobi.iol.co.za/#!/article/we-need-rain-please-pray-1.1943390

craziebone:
google Stella Odua and aerotropolis. Remember the last time Obama was in Africa and shunned Nigeria instead going to Senegal, SA and Tanzania? Well, a day after his arival in Africa, Jonathan jetted off to China and he secured a 3bn dollar low interest loan for more infrastructures in Nigeria. One of them was to build an Aerotropolis in our major airports. The work is currently on-going in our major airports.

You are telling lies. Aerotropolis remains a dream in Naija to this day.

lezz:
Shut up, you were claiming to travel round African countries in your little bush hut in zulu natal.

South Africa is the one with water problems with Lesotho and Denmark bailing you out.

There's has been water riots that left scores of people dead in south Africa.

Your schools have no water for toilet flushing hence they improvised with pit latrines and ended up drowning your children inside the pit toilet.

What a shame.

If water is a scares resource in SA it cannot be blamed on us. SA is a semi desert area and water is scares, that's why we are now opting to rather use ocean water through desalination plants. The system that is currently being used by many European countries. Let us rather blame it on nature. However SA has an excellent pipe water system across Africa.

craziebone:
SA don copy aerotropolis from us oooo

Is your Aerotropolis worth over $20 billion?

lezz:
The non-political reality is that south Africa is decaying infrastructural -wise, socially, economically and militarily.

If you deny this..... well , you've always been a blind ignorant patriot.

http://m.news24.com/fin24/BizNews/Cees-Bruggemans-Age-of-Decay-Mediocrity-SAs-new-normal-20151005

They can pinpoint all the wrongs but by living in SA and being a witness, I can assure you that SA infrastructural projects is booming like hell. I sometimes ask myself if it is true that our economy is growing slow but still experiencing such a massive infrastructural development.

agaugust:
Envy....butt hurt....show us the global achievement of South African youths especially your type...coloreds and blacks

This is the two faced Nigerian youth....face of peace and face of war....we rule Africa and shake the world !

We rule the world in scrabble

https://www.naij.com/630707-nigerian-player-wins-world-scrabble-championship-in-australia.html

We rule the world in football at U-17 level

We have the best battle experienced young soldiers in Africa.

Reason why South African girls love Nigerian guys !

Show us the Zulu and Cape colony colored youths' global achievement of ruling the world in anything
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Come and rule us on rugby and water sport.

SA is so generous because it has invested and is developing the whole of Africa with modern shopping malls including our fake giant of Africa.

Now we are building the biggest mall in Africa for ourselves.

http://www.enca.com/money/new-midrand-mall-set-be-biggest-africa

lezz:
Nope South African love to pretend they don't _shit and that their country is perfect.

Meanwhile, while the rest of Africa is growing, south Africa has been decaying for the past decade

We might not be growing economically but infrastructurally we are booming faster than any country in Africa. We are building malls, roads, rail network, airports, free houses, power stations, etc. Our infrastructure is not freezing.

JHB O.R Tambo International airport to be build into an airport city, the so called Aerotropolis worth over $20 billion project


https://www.enca.com/money/or-tambo-be-transformed-r300-billion-aerotropolis

lezz:
I thought you went to school Patrick.

Access doesn't mean availability or quality water as your ANC government will have you believe . Here's an excerpt from a team of critics who specialise in bursting the fables told by the ANC :

[b]ACCESS TO A TAP DOES NOT MEAN ACCESS TO WATER

And there is another issue besides the number with access to “piped water”. According to Scott, the department of water works on the assumption that if people have access to a tap, they have access to water. “When we talk about piped water, we are normally referring to infrastructure and people have access to water coming out of that infrastructure,” he told Africa Check.

However, according to Oliver Ive, a water and sanitation engineer and MD of Amanz’ abantu Services, a private company involved in rural water supply and sanitation projects, “the fact that someone has a tap doesn’t mean they have clean water or access to piped water”.

“If you put a pump or a service in a village, is it still working in five years time? Government will say that they have spent the money on infrastructure and the people have access, but if you go out and physically check if those taps are delivering water, and quality water, the answer is probably no.
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We all know that the ANC is more proficient in falsifying figures than running a government. https://africacheck.org/reports/claim-that-94-of-south-aclaim-that-94-in-sa-have-access-to-safe-drinking-water-doesnt-hold-water/


Water access in Nigeria remains at 75% http://wholives.org/

For SOUTH AFRICA :

Only 27% have access to piped water on site.

while 16% use communal taps and 3% use neighbours taps.

Stats SA, who compiled the survey, said: "It is a cause for concern that 2.3% of households still had to resort to sourcing drinking water from rivers, streams and dams.”


The SAHRC's report meanwhile found that regional shortcomings tended to "mirror apartheid spatial geography".
Patrick, this means that only your white masters have drinking water. The rest of zulus are water-destitutes as tasty as wild lions in the serengati



The report found that 1.4m households had yet to be provided with sanitation services – including 12.5% of all households in the Eastern Cape. While in KZN, 14% of households have never had access to water


Almost a third of households in KZN felt their water smelled bad, compared to just 3% of Northern Cape households. When I say zulus don't have water, I mean they can't even bath properly. So the Anglo-Dutch has a water level of 95% while the rest of the country is less than 50%.


Out of the 931 water systems within the 153 municipalities audited in 2012, just 98 systems obtained Blue Drop Certification for the 2012 reporting cycle.

According to the SAHRC’s report, a key issue with access to water is the poor quality of infrastructure delivered by local governments.


http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SAs-water-supply-how-safe-and-accessible-is-it-20140604
There you have it my boy, I just gave you a complete breakdown of your country's water distribution and quality. If you love facts like you claimed, you will own up and stop being a little greedy _bastard with no grace of honour.

Just in simple words, you cannot compare SA to any country in Africa in terms of infrastructure. You will dream an impossible dream young boy.

agaugust:
Last war was a draw, no winner. Btwn, Egypt is far better armed and trained today. I guess South Africa too can try fight Israel and know what Egypt faced. South Africa has not won any war in it's modern history.

Neither is Nigeria

agaugust:
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[size=13pt] Two faces of Nigerian youths....we rule Africa and thex world ! [/size]
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Nigerian under 17 youth are said to be cheats. They are all in their mid 20s.


Nigerian football association high official admitted that the squard is way older than 17.

http://thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2015/11/nigerias-u-17-team-in-fresh-age-cheating-storm/