₦airaland Forum

NaijaPikinGidi:
The truth is available to even the blind man on the streets in our North East frontiers! That truth is reflected in the FREEDOM and palpable celebrations in the NE typified by the high PRAISES being showered on NA warriors on the ground!

I understand you are hurt. Some theraphy from your heavy duty magosha in Tembisa will help. Hopefully you don't contact HIV.

Tell the truth and it shall set you free. Mercenaries have added tremendous value to your military successes.

NaijaPikinGidi:
Enugu man why are you wasting your time on a useless venture? I didn't realise it hurts you this bad that we will NEVER allow NA's glory to be stolen! A deperate person will always be drawn to deperate sources (like the one from your link) above.



NA rolling.

The truth shall set you free and denialist agenda shall send you into destruction.

More of the truth shall come out bit by bit and we shall always paste it here.

[size=18]Mr Jonathan exposed!!![/size]


http://qz.com/362783/nigeria-is-beating-boko-haram-with-mercenaries-but-it-wont-win-the-vote-for-jonathan/

agaugust:
I showed you, HMS Daring and HMS Duncan among others have been operating SSTD since OVER 6 YEARS AGO !

The USA naval fleet is testing a new SSTD to add the ones they already have, that's the 2035 date, but for OVER 10 YEARS AGO, NATO ships have deployed SSTD anti-torpedo weapons, I only posted the US Navy new tests to prove you wrong when you claimed the SSTD only detects enemy submarine torpedoes, you told a big lie and I proved you wrong, SSTD detects and destroys submarine launched torpedoes.

NATO fleet fooled the whole South African navy when they deceived your car washerman level Soweto brains that SAN have sunk a NATO warship in war game.....fools

Electronic warfare
and decoys:
UAT16
Surface ship torpedo defence (SSTD)
Airbone Sys IDS300 decoy


Aircraft carried: 1-2× Lynx HMA8, armed with;
4× Sea Skua anti ship missiles, or
2× anti submarine torpedoes
or
1× Westland Merlin HM1,[11] armed with;
4× anti submarine torpedoes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Daring_%28D32%29

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Electronic warfare
and decoys:
UAF-1 ESM, or, UAT Mod 1
Seagnat

Type 182 towed torpedo decoy
Surface Ship Torpedo Defence


Aircraft carried: 1 × Lynx HMA8, armed with;
4 × Sea Skua anti ship missiles, or
2 × anti submarine torpedoes
or
1 × Westland Merlin HM1, armed with;
4 × anti submarine torpedoes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_23_frigate

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I have listed two of the many British warships above, now see one of Norway's five all warships armed with anti-torpedo weapon systems to defeat any submarine....


Electronic warfare
and decoys:

Condor CS-3701 ECM:/ESM: suite Terma DL-12T decoy launcher, Loki torpedo countermeasure

4 × torpedo tubes for Sting Ray torpedoes 1 × spare 8- cell Mk41 VLS launchers Anti-Submarine missiles


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fridtjof_Nansen-class_frigate

The above Norwegian navy warship was available since 2004 before the Dutch came to deceive your dullard Soweto navy admirals in 2007, your white Dutch Boer European masters from Holland have always fooled you and they will continue to fool and rule you South Africans till infinity

.

One torpedo BOOOM!!!!

Salaries of Presidents.



http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2015/03/13/president-jacob-zuma-is-the-fourth-highest-paid-president-in-the-world.

jln115:
Here you go r.etard

http://www.africandefence.net/the-last-days-of-m23/
http://www.africandefence.net/analysis-how-m23-was-rolled-back/
http://www.africandefence.net/the-fib-goes-to-war/
http://thinkafricapress.com/drc/pincer-movements-choppers-and-teamwork-how-m23-was-pushed-back
http://www.newsrecord.co/the-u-n-s-new-force-redefines-intervention/

I did not even have all time in the world to prove this reta.rd wrong. He is a late comer.


http://www.africandefence.net/after-23-years-rooivalks-fire-first-shots-in-drc/

iterator24:
its clear and the world knows it

DR Congo army defeats M23 rebels
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/11/dr-congo-army-defeats-m23-rebels-201311653333587664.html

Saffers did nothing and will never be recognized
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M23_rebellion


Done wasting my time with your baseless opinions [without citations]

All troops were fighting on behalf of DRC, so did you expect them to say Tanzania or SA defeated M23?

However, If it were not for Rooivalk involvement, M23 rebels would have been resistant and could have defeated Congolese army as they have done many a times.

iterator24:
you can't even find any independent credible source to backup your claims, your opinion is baseless boy

Come on man we bombarded this very thread with sources that appraised the work done by Rooivalk in Eastern DRC, that even the minister of defence proposed the idea that Rooivalk manufacturing should resume again. This was following many countries enquiring about Rooivalk productions. So, please do not take us back because we are not ret.arded.

iterator24:
now you're not after pride? hahahaha...clowns

We serve the Nation of Africa from the interests of our hearts.

iterator24:
you've been on the thread long enough to know opinions without citations are baseless.. my sources tell me otherwise by the way

All sources recommended the involvement of Rooivalk as the contributor to the UN decisive victory. Had it not been through it many lives would have been lost. The Rooivalk dislodged rebels from the mountain and scattered them in disarray and as others were running for their lives they raised their weapons above as a sign of giving up.

iterator24:
lovely quote, Nigeria refused control from UN and intervened under AFRISMA - ECOWAS.. Meanwhile Saffers got laid doggy style by Tanzanians

SA are not after pride because we know well that our generals are paid well and wouldn't wrestle for change (small money). We serve Africa from the interests of our hearts and we are always the game changers. Everywhere our troops are they left a mark to be remembered with. Even if we serve under Lesotho commander we do not judge, we do what the world expect of us and that is to save the lives of the innocent. North East Nigerian will tell you that when we mean business we do not hesitate.

iterator24:
no, Congolese army did..glory thief

Rooivalk defeated M23 rebels as was supported by media at large. Two Rooivalks scattered the rebels in disarray with rockets that pounced like a fog and exploded into hellfire. That's when a SA snyper hit his target (M23 commander) from kilometres away to make it to the books of longest shot ever recorded in history.

iterator24:
desperado, have you even checked out the links i provided?

It doesn't matter, Rwandan lead you to the point that you got frustrated.

Nigerian president Goodluck Jonathan's order to
withdraw Nigerian troops from Mali was
attributed in some quarters to the replacement of
a Nigerian by a Rwandan as the force
commander of the peacekeeping force in Mali
now that it has passed under UN control.


http://www.refworld.org/docid/5204fb024.html

iterator24:
Tanzanians destroyed the M23

Nah!! Rooivalk gunship did.

iterator24:
saffer's desperate attempt to be even

Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) force to intervene in Mali. The commander of the force is
Nigerian, and Nigeria has reported it will supply 900 of the total force of 3,300. In the past, Nigeria has
also footed the lion’s share of the costs of regional intervention forces.

read on

blogs.cfr.org/campbell/2013/01/15/nigerias-role-in-the-mali-intervention/
m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-21238566
www.thisdaylive.com/articles/nigeria-faults-un-intervention-in-mali/157038/


go argue with Tanzanians we ain't mates

Sorry, the commander was a Rwandan whom replaced Nigerian commander for incompetence.


http://www.refworld.org/docid/5204fb024.html

iterator24:
hey take a chill pill ... don't get too over worked about FIB else I'll report to your commander ..
for the record
Nigeria has contributed more than 20,000 troops /police to various UN missions since 1960.. most on the continent and abroad.. we're not screaming

Nigeria was headed by a Kenyan commander in Mali. Commanders do not do the work, people who do the bulk of the work are captains and lieutenants.

stillchris:
se oro ni eleyi ni abi kini?

e gbe okun so were yi mo le o.

lang of subs.

agaugust:
Fact is, NO PROOF that they are SOUTH AFRICAN MERCENARIES, but surely those men in the convoy are foreigners, could be Russian, Belorussian, Romanian, Ukrainian, Israeli, etc working as technical trainers for our new equipment and weapons.

Nigerian government has said NO MERCENARY is fighting for Nigeria and I will take that as final authority. Yes, president GEJ said we have technical training teams from PMCs, so how do they move from their hotel room to training locations, by riding Keke Marwa or riding on Donkeys?

They are our visitors on contract duty and the best way to protect them is by giving them MRAPs to drive themselves and GPMG to protect themselves, Boko suicide bombers may want to harm them in town. We don’t have surplus troops to waste escorting them, so let them be armed to protect themselves. Seems like common sense in my opinion.

We have to use PMC training at home in Nigeria, no time to send soldiers and pilots overseas by withdrawing them from battlefield for overseas training. We are already at war. Weapons suppliers are supposed to provide training to the buyer, so nothing wrong in these things we see, it happens in America and Europe.

What I wonder is whether every white-man in this world is a South African, so why do people think those MRAPs men are South Africans? REVA MRAP is all over the world, and Nigeria could buy them and give to Russian PMC staff to drive around town on duty to our training and skills transfer locations.

We have a confirmed South African mechanic killed here by accident, why not? We bought South African vehicles and so we need South African mechanics for now until maintenance skills are transferred to us Nigerians.

Mechanic is NOT = Mercenary.

One works with spanner/screws, the other works with weapons/ammunition.

How do South African mercenary pilots qualify to fly modern NAF combat helicopters? How much flight hours do those mercenary ‘pilots’ clock in a year? Is it cheap to graduate and maintain combat qualified pilots?

Some people don’t even use their heads, do they know that South African bush war in Angola ended over 20 years ago? Those SADF special forces are old now ! Many of them are now aged about 45 to 65 years. Is that the age for field combat and running around in deserts, on hills, rocks, and forests? Human heart and lungs does not grow weak with age? Some people forgot their Biology.

Anybody who thinks 100 SADF old men mercenaries are fighting 10,000 Boko Haram terrorists on a land mass the size of Great Britain, should go and ask Seleka rebels why about 300 well armed South African army elite paratroopers and special forces combined ran at Usain Bolt Olympic speed from Bangui city to Bangui airport in record time, they left their Mortar carrier Gecko vehicles behind and forgot their uniforms in the base, French army at the Central African Republic airport was their saviour from the hands of just about 1,500 Seleka rebels.

Over 30,000 Nigerian troops are fighting Boko Haram and winning the war. Until there is 100% infallible proof of a fighting mercenary in Nigeria today, I take the president’s word and that of the Nigerian military officers as final and mercenaries remain mere phantoms….ghosts.



Mercenaries? NO! Just mere technical advisers on new weapons purchased

http://prnigeria.com/2015/03/so-called-mercenaries-are-technical-advisers/

Posted by PRNigeria">PRNigeria on March 13, 2015

Senior military commanders have described stories in major international media and culled by local newspapers reporting that Nigeria is deploying hundreds of mercenaries against Boko Haram terrorists as a joke taken too far. The officers insisted that the foreigners are technical advisers that are providing trainings and instructions on the use of new armaments recently procured by the Nigerian military in the war on terror. Some top commanders who spoke with PRNigeria without wanting their identities disclosed insist that it is part of propaganda to paint Nigerian military as incompetent to deal with the insurgency by desperately ascribing recent spate of successes to ‘others’ rather than the gallant troops’ efforts.

The source recalled that only recently, some news agencies ascribed such successes to Cameroonian, Nigerien and “battle hardened” Chadian forces but when it became obvious that the forces of those countries were mainly fighting along their own border areas blocking free movement of terrorists, “it became necessary to look for others” who are helping Nigerians to fight. PRNigeria gathered that the foreigners spotted in Maiduguri and other areas close to the theatre of wars are technical partners who are helping to train Nigerian forces on how to operate and maintain the recently acquired equipment which came from different sources.

The source further cited the particular example of the maintenance technician, who died recently insisting that he was not even a combatant but a professional in fixing armour vehicles. President Goodluck Jonathan was recently quoted in an interview with Voice of America (VOA) confirming that Nigeria has some trainers helping to get troops well acquainted with the recently acquired weaponry.

According to Jonathan, “we now have this technical people who are trainers and technicians, who are to train our people on how to use them, and technicians that help the maintenance, at the same time training our people how to maintain this equipment,” adding that two companies were involved in the training. The source recalled with regrets, the several years that Nigeria wasted while negotiating and appealing for equipment supply from the Western allies which were not only rebuffed but prevented other countries under their direct influence from selling to Nigeria.

“The fact that we have foreign experts outside the United States helping to train our troops is not a secret but it is not fair for them to embark on this blackmail simply because we got assistance from other places when they turned us down at a critical period”, the source stated. When contacted on the story that mercenaries are fighting the battle for Nigeria, the Director Defence Information, Major General Chris Olukolade said “Sorry, I don’t have anything about that claim. I just know that Nigerian military and security forces are putting in all their resources, training and experience acquired over the years to address the security challenges.

“Our neighbours operating under the auspices of the Multinational Joint Task Force are also backing our efforts from all our borders with them. We also have some offer of training and intelligence assistance from foreign countries. Some of these arrangements even predate the present operations.”

http://prnigeria.com/2015/03/so-called-mercenaries-are-technical-advisers/

[size=16pt]This Is Nigeria's War Fought ONLY By Nigerians ![/size]

Here's the proof underneath of people who are doing the real fighting for you.

iterator24:
you expect them to wear what? in a war zone..more so, is it 100 of them that'd retake towns in a state the size of scotland?

That is a complete contradiction. Foreign technicians on a war zone carrying guns and wearing military fatigue. Do you get the smell of a fish?

agaugust:
Arms embargo on South Africa was NOT 30 years long you fraud !

During the UN embargo, Israel was smuggling weapons to South Africa including missile and nuclear technology. France sold it's latest version of Mirage F-1 jet fighters to South Africa just before the arms embargo.

South Africa was also buying weapon and ammunition from international black market and arms smugglers.

Finally you could not win the war, and the war was NOT a threat to South Africa, it was fought thousands of kilometers away from Cape Town, in a far country called Angola, and you have no common border with the enemy
.

SA never procured arms throughout its war in Angola which took over 25 years. Israel had never loaded ship with weapons and sailed it to SA, but Russia did on constant bases supplying arms to Angola.


That was a record that no country in Africa can achieve.

Technicians in military fatigue. Why are technicians wearing military uniforms? Are they secretly in war or what?

Vikkie14:
This thread is a counter to allegations in some quarters/media reports https://www.nairaland.com/2182090/photos-south-african-troops-maiduguri/1#31362042 over "South Africa" Mercenaries Fighting alongside the Nigerian Army in Borno which went viral last week.
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Last week, Nigerian opposition knuckleheads, ever so eager to discredit, floated photographs of what were supposedly South African mercenaries riding in REVA MRAPs.
While the controversy raged on in Nigerian cyberspace, a respected aficionado of South African extraction went to town on his own volition and after exhaustive enquiries, wrote to confirm the fact that the contentious photograph was "photoshopped". The photos were certainly not shot in Nigeria.
So take those photographs circulating in cyberspace to be another bad example of how far the desperadoes in Nigeria’s political opposition will go to discredit the military and the FG which controls it. They should be ashamed of themselves.

READ these excerpts(from a South African).

For what it’s worth, those pics were taken in Guinea Equatorial:
1) The rear view of Vehicle 2C shows an Equatorial Guinea flag and the signpost is in Spanish;
2) The Oando filling station reference of your correspondents doesn’t hold up – the company operates throughout West Africa; and
3) More important, that’s the MKIII version, which Equatorial Guinea acquired in 2013. As for Nigeria, they operate the latest MK V version of which an ambulance version was posted.. END OF EXCERPTS.
Check here for the report i posted sometimes ago https://www.nairaland.com/2171033/nigeria-military-inducted-reva-v

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I am also pleased to inform you, gentlemen, that pursuant to the unprecedented build-up of assets which the Nigerian Army are undergoing, we are now operators of the latest REVA Mk.5 MRAPs and battlefield ambulances. In the days ahead, we shall begin to see them in the field. Also,
Look at the flag at the right edge of the picture in question, then compare to the flag below.
Click here https://www.nairaland.com/2183057/power-prowess-nigerian-military#2183057.10 to read about Nigerian Military Power
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. VIKKIE14

Your story is false. That street is Bama road as confirmed by many sources.

Look at the posters of the governor hanging on the post and the Oado petrol station.

Nigeria acquired both REVA III and V versions.

The Ambulances is MK V.


The place is Maiduguri.

agaugust:
My pleasure.....there are many of them in NATO navies and also other countries of the world, anti-torpedo equipment is plentiful all over the world and for a long time since many years ago.

Submarines have lost their 'legendary superiority' .....it really was never there anyway.

HMS Duncan warship :

Electronic warfare
and decoys:
UAT16
Surface ship torpedo defence (SSTD)


Aircraft carried:
1-2× Lynx HMA8, armed with;
2× anti submarine torpedoes


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Duncan_(D37)


Your white NATO masters were fooling you South Africans in that sea war game, allowing you to 'sink' NATO warships, they NEVER showed you their real warships, the day your navy meets a real NATO warship in battle, is the day you will understand why the white man successfully colonized South Africa up till 1994. Soweto Mumus
.

Agaugau, SA is a champ when it comes to military technology. We are respected by the world when it comes to that area. The only small country in the world that could sustain 30 years of war without procuring a single weapons to fight three countries which were constantly provided with Russian weapons. We build weapons locally and still effectively engaged the enemy.

It is by no surprised that we mysteriously sank the NATO ship, through the tactical shrewdness of the skilled SA naval officers. Today we procure weapons and dismantle them with the view of adding some modifications. SA procured missiles have different specifications from that of the original versions sold by manufactures. We merely give our procured munitions some extra energy and range to have better performance.

Henry120:
Retarrd!!!

It's a video confirmation that we actually do have Reva MK III's, as well as MK v's. we've never denied using private security contractors, Fool!

Mr Retard, your video shows REVA III.

stillchris:
and of you understood what you read, you would have seen this;

"To be honest, I don't think they are being used
anymore in combat... simply because those guys are
pushing 60 or 70."

what else would a 59 uear old be doing than mechanic work in combat?

Shut up dummy, Many SANDF soldiers especially whites who are still young have resigned to join all these illicit companies.

Henry120:
You have no money, you are buying nothing.

Do you forget that we recently got the budget?

SA is starting to get the blames.


http://news.yahoo.com/sa-mercenaries-nigeria-apartheid-era-veterans-still-finding-235235687.html

saengine:
What i find amazing.....a credible South African engineering company will send it's highly trained engineers and technicians to train Nigerians in the middle of a hot, dangerous battle zone. Men with families back home, good standards of living, good carreer prospects will go into a battle zone, front line, bullets flying. Almost having to shoot at Boko Haram themselves, since Nigerian soldiers are apparently still clueless at doing this.

No standard engineering company will send its employees into such danger. You cannot be above age 12 and believe the "providing technical training on new equipment story" . Companies who are willing to send employees into such conditions, would send men who have been in war zones before and have seen hard, heavy combat.

You can keep lying to yourself and believe these men are just walking around there with spanners and grease. When everyone knows they are highly skilled fighters.

Surely, there is no company in the universe that can gamble with the life of its employees in that fashion if it is not mercenaries.

ALJAZEERA SPEAKS TO JONATHAN. ( VIDEO)



sources have told Al Jazeera that
mercenaries from South Africa and other
countries are actually playing a decisive
fighting role on the frontlines.
A senior Nigerian non-commissioned officer,
who is on active duty and was wounded by
Boko Haram, said foreign mercenaries are
doing the bulk of the fighting in towns the
Nigerian military says it has recaptured from
Boko Haram.
The officer said that the Nigerian military still
suffers from a lack of equipment and low
morale, and that without the mercenaries'
help, these towns would still be held by Boko
Haram fighters.



http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/03/nigeria-foreign-mercenaries-boko-haram-150313122039403.html

rka1:
Nigerian Military Trained By Technical Advisers
Clement Ejiofor, 3 hours ago

Email050
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Senior military commanders have dispelled recent media rumours that Nigeria is deploying hundreds of mercenaries against Boko Haram terrorists, describing the information as a joke taken too far.

According to the officers, the foreigners are technical advisers that are providing trainings and instructions on the use of new armaments recently procured by the Nigerian military in the war against insurgents.

Speaking with PRNigeria, some top commanders insisted that it is part of propaganda to paint Nigerian Army as incompetent to deal with the insurgency by desperately ascribing recent spate of successes to ‘others’ rather than the gallant troops’ efforts.

The anonymous source also recalled that recently some news agencies ascribed such successes to Cameroonian, Nigerien and Chadian forces while it was obvious that the forces of those countries were mainly fighting along their own border blocking free movement of terrorists.

The source further cited the particular example of the maintenance technician, who died recently, stressing that he was not even a combatant but a professional in fixing armour vehicles.

President Goodluck Jonathan in his interview with Voice of America confirmed that Nigeria has some trainers helping to get troops well acquainted with the recently acquired weapons.

“We now have this technical people who are trainers and technicians, who are to train our people on how to use them, and technicians that help the maintenance, at the same time training our people how to maintain this equipment,” the president said.The source added with regrets, that Nigeria wasted several years while negotiating and appealing for equipment supply from the Western allies which were not only rebuffed but prevented other countries from selling to Nigeria.it[/b]
http://www.naij.com/402290-nigerian-military-trained-by-technical-advisers.html

I don't know if I should cry with you or what, but, everything will be fine. Don't worry we won't raise this issue of mercenaries again because I can see that you are trying by all means to twist it but it just don't work. Mercenaries are called with whole number of names, some call them contractors, while some call them mechanics, some even go as far as branding them technicians, etc. What I like is because these people they know well that it is crime to use mercenaries in any war since it violate international law. They will try by all means to protect themselves. Shame!!

stillchris:
you should really be worried about this your inability to comprehend what you read. this is no joke man.

Your soldiers are being trained by SA mercenaries, as tested and proven right here on Nairaland. That you won't change, it is the history that will remain forever and ever.

lezz:
then we live in Nigeria and know the truth about the insurgency.A had trained many black doctors ever since 1994 and way before that. There are as well thousands who have been studying medicine abroad . So thousands of southafrica study abroad too? What's happening with your top notch school system? Nigerian doctors are basically only few in SA and the rest are black house doctors year black South African doctors . You claimed in one of your last posts that why Nigerian doctors dominate your public health institution is because SA doctors are agitating for better welfare. Now you are eating your words and saying the exact opposite. SA has many black doctors dummy. SA Black doctors are now more than triple the number of white doctors. you still haven't denied the fact that there are no black southafrican doctors in their thousands as expatriates.

I repeat, southafrica does not have enough black doctors, pilots and naval personnel that are qualified.

Your statement is full of untruths. As regard your insinuation concerning the number of black pilot, yes it is true, but the number of black pilots in private airlines is starting to build up. Concerning Naval personnel, large majority of our navy is black from Admirals to seaman. Do you think that the ANC is an ornament that decorate the room for nothing?

However, with the number of black doctors, you are wrong at every corner. Remember, during the yesteryears of apartheid, SA had a policy of segregation that saw blacks having their own homelands which are equivalent of states in Nigeria. Some of these homelands were Bophuthatswana, Trankei, KwaZulu, Venda, Lebowakgomo, Qwaqwa, Ciskei, etc. These homelands used to have universities of their own managed by blacks. We used to have our own black doctors in these homelands. Now the number of black doctors has since even tripled the number of white doctors long ago in democracy and is now even now sky rocketing. Medicine is not a rocket science dummy.

Let us not derail the thread please!!! Back to military discourse.

#BackToMilitaryDiscourse.