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agaugust:
Dude, keep messing up with Wikipedia and some low class combat aircraft.

My source is FAS = Federation Of American Scientists.

They are a respectively military research information/database website.

They confirm Su-30 jets data as follows.

Normal range (Combat) 3,000 km
Maximum range 5,200 km
Ferry range (Unarmed) 6,990 km.....Approx 7,000 km
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http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-30.htm

BWAHAHAHA…MY SOURCE IS FROM THE MANUFACTURE OF THE AIRCRAFT AND SAYS THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE THAT THE AIRCRAFT CAN FLY WITHOUT ORDNANCE AND INFLIGHT REFUELING AT HEIGHT IS =3000KM AND AT SEA LEVEL WHERE THERE IS AIR FRICTION IS 1200KM


http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/

NOW WHICH SOURCE IS SUPERIOR?

WIKIPEDIA WAS ONLY QUOTED TO TEACH YOU ABOUT:
-COMBAT RADIUS AND MAXIMUM RANGE OR FERRY RANGE. THE EDUCATION YOU ACQUIRED IN NIGERIA IS INFERIOR.

agaugust:
Hey boy, when @Patches himself is avoiding your comment tells you that you have proved to be a superior liar above his own fraud level

Anyway I won't be hard on you because you are a civilian.

This website is co confusing you by quoting Gripen FERRY RANGE calling it MAXIMUM RANGE.

http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/SAAB/JAS-39-Gripen/

Then you now confuse yourself by matching the COMBAT RADIUS of SU-30 with FERRY RANGE of Gripen.

Stick to one type of range when you compare :

Gripen Ferry range 3,200 km

Su-30 Ferry range 7,000 km

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-30.htm
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THE DATA YOU PROVIDED IS VERY WRONG. I TOLD YOU THAT YOU ARE STILL A BAMBINO WHEN IT COMES TO FIGHTER JETS.

THAT DATA OF SU-30 INCLUDES TWO IN-FLIGHT REFUELING, THATS WHY IT MAKES 7000KM.

FOR MORE INFO FROM THE MANUFACTURE ITSELF THE RANGE STAND AT 3000KM WITHOUT IN-FLIGHT REFUELING.


http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/

YOU ARE A SMALL BOY GO AND EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT THE FOLLOWING:


-COMBAT RANGE: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_radius


-MAXIMUM RANGE: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_(aeronautics)

agaugust:
Are you cräzy ?

Gripen combat radius ~ 850 km

Su-30 combat radius ~ 3,000 km

I have a feeling you are the South African maquerading as Angolan man dacostaANG.

The way you tell random lies about the Su-30 jet makes you number one suspect
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DONT CONFUSE THE MAX EFFECTIVE RANGE WITH THE COMBAT RADIUS.

GRIPEN HAS A MAX RANGE OF OVER 3200
SU-30 HAS THE MAX RANGE OF 3000


http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/SAAB/JAS-39-Gripen/


http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/Sukhoi/Su-30-Flanker/


THE COMBAT RADIUS IS DEPENDENT ON THE NUMBER OF FACTORS SUCH AS ORDNANCES AND NUMBER OF ENGINES, EXTERNAL DROP TANKS, ECT.
GRIPEN CARRY HEAVY GUNS AND WEAPONS SYSTEMS AND THAT LIMIT IT TO 850KM.

COMBAT AIRCRAFTS EXPERTS BELIEVE THAT THE LOWER THE COMBAT RADIUS OF A FIGHTER THE BETTER AND HEAVIER ITS ORDNANCES.

HOWEVER, COMBAT RADIUS IS NOT IMPORTANT IN A DOG FIGHT AND NEITHER WILL IT HELP A FIGHTER WIN. IT IS GOOD FOR AIR PATROLS


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_radius


YOU KNOW LITTLE ABOUT FIGHTER JETS AND YOU LIKE TO ARGUE MUCH ABOUT THEM. I TOOK MY TIME TO VISIT LIBRARIES AND READ A LOT ABOUT FIGHTER JETS.

agaugust:
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hey brother Msauza, you are so terrified by NAF F-7 jet with near BVR 35 km range missiles to the extent that you now type in giant font + bold font + capital letters ? Are you sure this PL-9C missile 35 km range has not driven you close to mental hospital? Do your even sleep well at night? Have you started seeing a psychiatrist now?

Somebody please save this man o ! BVR missile is killing people in South Africa even before NAF started firing it !

Omo, wahala dey o !


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F7 IS JUST LIKE A DOG COMPARED TO GRIPEN JET. EVEN IF YOU CAN SHARPEN THE TEETH OF A DOG AND LET IT TO FIGHT A LION, IT WILL STILL LOSE.

agaugust:
USAF jets crash regularly.

F-7NI jet crashed have been stopped by NAF.

NAF lost 4 jets in 8 years and NONE in the last 3 years of combat operation in North East where the NAF F-7 jets fly combat sorties almost every day, and NONE has crashed after doing hundreds of combat operations, it even seems the jets do better in war time than in peace time, war-monger battle-hungry F-7 jets !
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You have a memory of a child. Just last year on the 30th of December, you made an admission on Beegeagle that your flying coffins (F7) are crushing as if is an annual ritual.

Henry120:
The Gripen C/D is barely better than the JF-17 block 1

SU-30

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 21.935 m (72.97 ft)
Wingspan: 14.7 m (48.2 ft)
Height: 6.36 m (20.85 ft)
Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,400 kg[87] (40,565 lb)
Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,895 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring, 123 kN with afterburner (27,560 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.9[86] (2,100 km/h or 1,300 mph[85]) at altitude; 1,350 km/h, 839 mph near ground level[85]
Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi) at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
Ferry range: 8,000 km (4,320 nmi) with two in-flight refuellings[86]
Endurance: 3.75 hrs (up to 10 hrs with in-flight refuelling)
Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
Rate of climb: >300 m/s (>45,275 ft/min)
Wing loading: 401 kg/m² (82.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.00 (loaded weight with 56% internal fuel)
Maximum g-load: +9 g
Armament

Guns: 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 gun (150 rounds)
12 hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip AAM launch rails, 6 × pylons under-wing, 2 × pylon under-engine nacelle, and 2 × pylons in tandem in the "arch" between the engines. It can be increased to 14 using multiple ejector racks. It can carry up to 8 tonnes of external stores.

Air-to-air missiles:

10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
10 × Astra missile active radar homing medium range AAM, 80–110 km
6 × R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar guided, long range AAM 130 km
6 × R-27ET (AA-10D) Infrared homing extended range version, long range AAM 120 km
2 × R-27R (AA-10A) semi-active radar guided, medium range AAM, 80 km
2 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km
3 × Novator KS-172 AAM-L 400 km, Indian/Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"
Air-to-surface missiles:

3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
1 × Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
3 × Brahmos-M supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile, 1,000 km
6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)
Bombs:

8 × KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
3 × KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
8 × FAB-500T gravity bomb
28 × OFAB-250-270 gravity bombs
32 × OFAB-100-120 gravity bombs
8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs



Enough said.

YOU CANNOT COMPARE JUNK FIGHTER AND ALL VARIANTS OF SU-30 TO GRIFFIN FIGHTER JET.

agaugust:
Delivery date means NOTHING, your SAAF got the old 1995 Gripen C/D version and NOTHING more than that !

Brazil is buying the more modern Gripen E and Sweden is doing the same. Your SAAF Gripen C/D version is obsolescent since 20 years ago it was introduced into service, 20 year old version and obsolescent
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THE FIRST GRIPENS WERE FIRST INTRODUCED IN 1997. SOUTH AFRICAN GRIPENS WERE MANUFACTURED IN 2005 AND THE FIRST BATCH WERE DELIVERED IN 2010 FOLLOWED BY OTHERS AROUND 2012.

SOUTH AFRICAN GRIPENS ARE STILL NEW FROM THE BOX CHIEF.

agaugust:
SAAF Gripen jets were not bold enough to R.ape ordinary Seleka rebels
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THE QUESTION IS: DID THEY RECEIVE ORDERS TO RAP.E SELEKA OR NOT? THEY WERE ONLY SENT TO GUARD SAFE WITHDRAWAL OF SOUTH AFRICAN TROOPS.

HOWEVER, ONLY SIX GRIPENS WILL RAP.E THE WHOLE OF NAF. FACT!!!! FACT!!!! FACT!!!!

agaugust:
F-8 III Finback jet fighter order cancelled, replaced with JF-17 Thunder jet fighter

Chinook helicopter order cancelled, replaced with Terminator armed transport helicopter

Sea Knight helicopter order cancelled replaced with Terminator armed transport helicopter

Cobra helicopter gunship order cancelled, replaced with Gazelle helicopter gunship

T-84 Oplot tanks order, shipment delayed in Ukraine

BMP-1 IFV order, replaced with BVP-1 IFV

Super Tucano COIN airplane order cancelled after evaluation, replaced with Su-25 KN Scorpion COIN jet

Su-30 jet order, aircraft still under evaluation

Bofors FH-77 B L52 Order, consult original source, Army Guide website.

Otomat Mk II, consult original source, military today website.

CEASER SPG order NEVER mentioned on this forum

Sandcat MRAP order, status uncertain, replaced with Big Foot MRAP and REVA MRAP.

Predator armed Drone order cancelled, replaced with CH-3 guided missile armed Drone .

Any other thing ya wanna rant about ? All questions answered in 5 minutes with latest procurement updates.

CASE CLOSED FINALLY !!!
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AGAUGAU YOU ARE SUCH A STUPI.D MAN, HOW WILL BVR OR 35KM AAM HELP YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A POOR FCR OF LESS THAN 22KM?

agaugust:
Thanks ! So NAF does not need air to air jet fighter war experience, and NAF don't need air to air combat experience in a contested airspace because we already have the training with Pakistani air force using our F-7 jets with extra trainer versions PL-9C missiles with BVR range.

NAF is superior to SAAF, we have fired BVR missiles in combat training with Pakistan, but SAAF has NEVER fired a single IRIS-T missile on Gripen jets, you have NO SINGLE training missiles IRIS-T, so your pilots training is incomplete and inferior.

South African air force is dead....

1. No BVR missile
2. No missile training rounds
3. Only 6 pilots for Gripen
4. No fighter jet pilot qualified with combat rating 150 hours standard
5. No aviation fuel
6. Flights are restricted to V.I.P transport for ANC politicians only.

Mandela's air force is as dead as Mandela himself
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ONLY SIX GRIPENS WILL R.APE THE WHOLE OF NAF NON-STOP.

agaugust:
Anything SANDF does not have, it's because you don't need it.

The world standard armies have thousands of amphibious armoured vehicles, USA, UK, Germany, France, Russia, China, Nigeria.

Your army is a dry land only local force for homeland defense, ZERO force projection
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SANDF DOES NOT NEED AMPHIBIOUS ARMOURED VEHICLES.

agaugust:
I am showing you another example of what F-7 jets became in the last modern variants purchased or upgraded by Pakistan, Nigeria and Bangladesh from 2008 - 2013, those are generations ahead of a basic 1950s MiG-21.
Jets don't fight according to your personal opinion about them, they fight according to the equipment installed on them.
Education for you Southies
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The F7-BGI is still by far inferior to JAS 39c Gripen, it has a fire control radar with a range of a mere 35 KM.

THE BRITISH SATELLITE ENGINEERS CONFESSED THAT THEY GAVE SO CALLED NIGERIAN SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS ONLY PARTS TO ASSEMBLE (JOIN TOGETHER) SO THAT IT MAY LOOK AS IF THEY CONTRIBUTED SOMETHING. THAT WAS AFTER THE BRITISH POCKETED ABOUT $30 MILLION HARD CASH OF OIL MONEY.

THE MOEGOES INDEED.

patches689:
We too have built satellites

Why are you unable to develop our armaments industry?

And lets not even talk about medical, nuclear and other advances we regularly churn out such as a working pebble bed reactor or the worlds first digital laser

The worst of it all is that theirs was built in Britain. Nigeria has never built any satellite.



http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-15098493

agaugust:
Nigerian engineers and scientists built Nigeria's second earth observation satellite now orbiting the earth and watching Jacob Zuma in his swimming pool

That's our brain level
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Unfortunately your second earth observation satellite which was built for you by Britain is not a spy (Surveillance) satellite to can watch every move of Zuma.



http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-15098493

patches689:
Augustus

I am seeing lots of opinion and no citations.

If it has 35km range then it has a ceiling of 6km

Simple as that
The wording of the source is the word of god!

Also: [size=15pt]please explain why the Uhmkonto has a shorter range but a higher service ceiling than the PLC9 SAM[/size]

EXACTLY- THAT SOURCE THAT AGAUGUST ATTACHED HAS SO MANY FLAWS.

SA IS TEACHING CHINA THE TECH OF MISSILES.

NOTICE SIMILARITIES.



http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.181/pub_detail.asp

agaugust:
Nope, I proved that you are very wrong and half illiterate.

Stop running away from my simple question, why does Umkhonto missile fly 20 km range but only 8 km altitude ? Why ?

So if DENEL makes Umkhonto version for Gripen jet that flies at 15 km, the Gripen must descend down to 8 km to fire the Umkhonto missile?

Are you sick? Yes you are mentallly sick !

Have you ever seen air to air missile data with maximum ceiling or altitude ?

The maximum altitude of any air to air missile is equal to the maximum altitude of the jet fighter launching it. Fool

Also, my photo showed you that when a modern day missile is strictly ground launch version, they are stored/cased inside silos/boxes, or tubes

When it is same missile that is attached to aircraft pylons/hardpoint for air launch, the missiles are also pylon/hardpoint attached to launcher in the ground based version because it's exactly the same missile.

PHOTO 1 : PL-9C AIR LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 2 : PL-9C GROUND LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 3 : UMKHONTO MISSILE STRICTLY GROUND LAUNCH ONLY, CLOSED, ENCLOSED INSIDE SILOS/TUBE/BOX COVER
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THOSE ARE CLEARLY TWO VARIANTS OF MISSILES, ONE IS PL-9 AAM AND THE OTHER IS PL-9C SHORAD.


DUMMY.

agaugust:
[size=20pt]Israeli technology transfer from 1960s to 1980s to South Africa, the best Israeli engineers were imported with all missile a d rocket science technology into South. Africa to build your defense industry.

European countries like British BAE and German Rheinmetal have also established defense equipment manufacturing factories inside South Africa in full technology transfer with European engineering expatriates working for you daily.

Did your retaarded black brains create the BMW cars manufactured inside South Africa?

Your over hyped nation is run by foreign brains not your dull Soweto parasites who live on government cash support for the millions of men who refuse to go to school or to do any work


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[size=20]Chief, almost everything was developed through transfer of skills including Maths and Science. Why does it have to bother me where SA got the skills from. The world all over has acquired every Mathematical skills from Einstein and others.

It doesn't matter where do we get education from, but SA leads Africa in Medical science, Engineering and Defence technology. BAE, German Rheinmetal established their businesses in SA knowing for sure that South African universities are competitive in terms of producing quality engineers in the world and so is BMW automobile company. Many models of BMW were designed in SA by South Africans using the education acquired from SA.[/size]

BOKO HARAM KIDNAPPED MORE THAN 400 WOMEN



http://saharareporters.com/2015/03/25/boko-haram-kidnaps-400-women-damask

agaugust:
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Look here dude, I have taken air defence warfare courses under ex-military men in a private company, not on internet.

Answer for your 50 million people South African nation of half-brains that are at the bottom of world table in maths and science :

Missiles and communication base fire control radars usually have shorter data transmission range vertically than horizontally.

Proof :

SANDF Umkhonto missile has 20 km long range horizontally, but only 8 km short 'range' or altitude/ceiling vertically.

"Performance Characteristics

Range : 20 km
Ceiling : 8 km
Maximum Mach No. : 2
Time of flight to 8 km:18 s"

http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-defence-missiles/umkhonto

Why is that so with Umkhonto missile, answer it.....all South African citizens are born as dumbo dundee domingos

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[size=18]It is amazing that SA are at the bottom of Non-academic rating of Maths and Science not in the world but in the small brains of WEF, yet they lead Africa in terms of Medical science, Engineering and defence technology. Is that not ironic? We know that our students score more than all African countries in international maths and science exams, not some flawed survey compiled by some illiterate business men at their back yards by portraying their anger on the current black government.


However, before I complete my statement, I suggest that you get a better education because the one you currently acquired in Nigeria is regrettable.[/size]

AGAUGUST WANTS TO COMPETE WITH A MACHINE WORTH A RADAR COVERAGE OF OVER 220 KM. A PERFECT PLATFORM FOR BVR.

YOU ARE TAKING CHANCES BOY.

TAKEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH.

HE SPEAKS BAD OF F7 ON BEEGEAGLE AND NOW HERE HE WANTS TO SCARE US WITH 1955 MACHINE WITH A MERE FIRE CONTROL RADAR OF JUST 22KM.


Augustine on December 30, 2014 at 12:25
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F-7 jet is a waste of money, a disgrace for
NAF to fly a year 1955 design aircraft in
2015.
Do poor nations Eritrea and Uganda fly
F-7 jets?
If my country does not love me, well me I
love my country, I won’t pray for myself
to buy Kia Picanto when my neighbours
on the same street are buying Toyota
Camry. Why should I pray for Nigeria to
waste money of F-7 jet? 4 crashed in 4
years like annual ritual.
Sell off all NAF the F-7NI jets to South
Sudan or Congo DRC and transfer skills to
them.
Use NAF Mi-35 Hinds to launch our PGM
now if guided weapons are urgent for use
against Boko Haram.
Su-25 SM version PGM armed is the jet
Nigerian needs for COIN.
JF-17 Block II and Su-30 MKI…..those are
the jets Nigeria needs for multi-role/air
superiority today and beyond today.



https://beegeagle./2014/12/26/nigerian-air-force-gunship-crew-and-a-modernised-2014-delivery-mi-35p-attack-helicopter/

agaugust:
That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
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NO MEDICINE IN THE WHOLE WORLD CAN CURE YOUR MENTAL SICKNESS.

YOUR SOURCE CLEARLY SPEAKS ABOUT SAM VARIANT AND JUST UNDERNEATH THEY ALSO REFLECTED THAT THE OTHER VARIANT IS AIR-TO-AIR WHICH WITH THE RANGE OF 22KM.

HOWEVER, EVEN IF WE WERE TO GIVE NIGERIAN F7 JET A BVR WITH 120KM, IT WILL STILL NOT DEFEAT GRIPEN BECAUSE OF ITS POOR DETECTION RADAR. GRIPEN WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE UPPER HAND OF DETECTING IT FIRST.

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@AGAUGUST STOP TURNING YOURSELF INTO A MONKEY JOKE AND INSTEAD FACE THE REALITY WITH FACTS. GRIPEN WILL NOT FEAR YOUR F7 EVEN IF WE WERE TO ARM IT WITH THE BEST BVR IN THE WORLD, HENCE I REPEAT THIS POST.[/size]

[size=16]EVEN IF AN F7 JET CAN BE ARMED WITH BVR IT WILL STILL NOT DEFEAT GRIPEN JET. THE GRIPEN JET WILL DETECT IT FIRST WITH ITS WIDER DETECTION RADAR AND STAND A CHANCE TO FIRE THE FIRST SHOT. THE F7 CANNOT FIRE THE MISSILE UNLESS IT HAS DETECTED THE GRIPEN AND WHAT SADDENS THE MOST IS THE FACT THAT BEFORE IT CAN DETECT THE POSITION OF THE GRIPEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG DETECTED BY GRIPEN AND HENCE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. THE BVR IS NOT THE BEST PLATFORM FOR J7/F7 BECAUSE IT HAS POOR DETECTION RADAR. THE ENEMY WILL ALWAYS DETECT IT FIRST AND APPROACH IT FROM BEHIND OR FROM ITS WEAKEST LINK.[/size]

EVarn:
then stop arguing,au revoir to you.

Yep you don't have any nuclear weapon material, spare that argument for the likes of India and Russia, etc.

THE PL-9 AAM WITH A RANGE OF 22KM AND SAM VARIANT WITH AN ALTITUDE OF 4.5 KM.

@AGAUGUST SHOP STOP SPREADING PROPAGANDA OUT OF DESPERATION




http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-9

[size=18]EVEN IF AN F7 JET CAN BE ARMED WITH BVR IT WILL STILL NOT DEFEAT GRIPEN JET. THE GRIPEN JET WILL DETECT IT FIRST WITH ITS WIDER DETECTION RADAR AND STAND A CHANCE TO FIRE THE FIRST SHOT. THE F7 CANNOT FIRE THE MISSILE UNLESS IT HAS DETECTED THE GRIPEN AND WHAT SADDENS THE MOST IS THE FACT THAT BEFORE IT CAN DETECT THE POSITION OF THE GRIPEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG DETECTED BY GRIPEN AND HENCE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. THE BVR IS NOT THE BEST PLATFORM FOR J7/F7 BECAUSE IT HAS POOR DETECTION RADAR. THE ENEMY WILL ALWAYS DETECT IT FIRST AND APPROACH IT FROM BEHIND OR FROM ITS WEAKEST LINK.[/size]

EVarn:
lol.you are already feeling heat.we already have a nuclear weapon.

I really do not gain anything from arguing with you.

PL-9C AAM has a range of 22 KM only


http://www.deagel.com/Air-to-Air-Missiles/PL-9_a002626001.aspx

agaugust:

Same fuel fired from two different locations. Same specs, same weight, same speed, same fuel load = same range !

Show me proof that says the fuel load in the air launch version is smaller than the ground launch....show me it has less fuel to travel 35 km distance....poor science knowledge plus shock and awe is k.illing you Southies sinces sunday night.....the end of SAAF Gripens has come !

PL-9C missile on F-7 jet = 35 km maximum EFFECTIVE range near BVR

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THE PL-9C IS A SHORAD (ALT= 6.5KM) WHICH MUST BE VERTICALLY LAUNCHED DUMMY, EVEN YOUR SOURCE CONFIRMS IT.

@agaugust is confusing SAM with AAM.