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WHY IS NIGERIA TURNING TO SOUTH AFRICAN MERCENARIES?



http://theconversation.com/why-nigeria-is-turning-to-south-african-mercenaries-to-help-fight-boko-haram-38948

THE MERCENARIES IN AFRICA.



http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21646809-south-africa-struggles-vain-ban-soldiers-fortune-leash-dogs-war

UNDERSTANDING SA MERCENARIES.


http://www.galago.co.za/CAT1_025_b.htm

stillchris:
bwahahahahahaha..

two words... unrepentant troll.

iraq=/= Nigeria

there are only old koevet/ex SADF men in Nigeria. period

keep trying troll.

SA PMCs are no longer predominantly occupied by former SADF members. Many of them have since resigned or pursued other ventures. SA mercenaries as in 2015 is predominantly young and multiracial. SA mercenaries are not only white, they have as well recruited many young coloureds and blacks who come from SANDF, who mainly serve as guards.

SA Mercenaries.

agaugust:
Post real numbers and figures.

Citation needed
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You usually do not read sources even when efforts has been taken. Go and read dievluit PDF source.

stillchris:
is that all? c'mon... prove SANDF members are in Nigeria.. isn't that what you said?

prove it and stop crying.. i see your anger level rising.

Both former SANDF and SADF are in Nigeria fighting on the front lines to liberate the people of Nigeria.

agaugust:
You think human being are forever young? Who can live for ever and not die?

Those old SADF men are now aged about 60 years, even their best man Col. Eben is about 65 years old.

Is that the age of running around inside hot desert or think forest fighting war?

Most of the SADF elites are dead or too weak to run today.

Then PMC is NOT = South African national army.

PMCs recruit people from all over the world, so don't fool yourself thinking South Afri8can PMC has only ex-South African soldiers.

I am recruited into a PMC in America, but I am a Nigerian, so I can tell you that we have Mexicans and Colombian ex-troops insie American PMCs, Latino nation troops who have fought COIN combats in Mexcio and Colombia.

A lot of the SADF elite troops in Angolan war were Angolan citizens NOT South Africans, it also included other African fighters like Namibians and Mozambiqueans, etc. You are very wrong to think South African citizens make up the large numbers of SADF elite troops, NO ! Most of them were blacks from other countries especially Angola.

Your dead or retired old men on wheelchair are not fighting any mercenary combat in Nigeria, we are fighting our war with young blood !

PHOTO 1 : SADF OLD MEN SOLDIERS ALREADY OLD IN THE 1980s ANGOLA WAR

PHOTO 2 : NIGERIAN SOLDIER IN 2015 BOKO HARAM WAR....WE FIGHT WITH YOUNG BLOOD
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YOU FAIL TO TAKE COGNISANCE THAT THEY RECRUITED THOUSANDS OF YOUNG BLOODS EVER SINCE. THERE ARE ALSO MANY FORMER SANDF MEMBERS WHO JOINED THEM EITHER AFTER TERMINATION OF THEIR CONTRACTS OR VOLUNTARY RESIGNATION. THIS IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REPORT TABLED BY INSTITUTE OF SECURITY STUDIES AND THE PDF SOURCE DIEVLUIT ATTACHED.

DEFEATING BOKO HARAM WITH MERCENARIES.


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/03/defeating-boko-haram-with-mercenaries/

DieVluit:
Again -

A 60 year old can fly a sortie.

You have advanced no reason as to why that is impossible.

Mental weakling.

And if I were a troll, you wouldn't be engaging me.

By your own President's admission, your men had to be trained on the field because the war is already ongoing. That means only one thing - the South Africans are embedded. The rigmarole of reporting back and getting advice is counter to what your president said anyway.

And by your own admission, this is a high-intensity war - which automatically excludes long-distance advice seeking. It has to be instant.

Again - mental weakling.



Below.

http://ccs.ukzn.ac.za/files/mercenaries%20in%20Iraq.pdf

..Mental weakling.

MMmmmmm!!!

The sources says:



[b] SA Mercenaries in Iraq South Africa has been exposed as one of the world's top exporters of military personnel. 65 South Africans have been jailed in Zimbabwe on charges relating to a foiled coup plot in the oil-rich Equatorial Guinea. Even earlier, in 2002, Executive Outcomes was investigated for contravening the Foreign Military Assistance Act in its activities in Sudan. Executive Outcomes members had formed a company called NFD that was contracted by the Sudanese government to help it protect oil fields in southern Sudan. Just how many South Africans are currently supporting the occupation of Iraq is estimated to be about 4,000. Most have been recruited as bodyguards, security consultants or security guards at salaries ranging up to $12,000 a month. Compared to the R4,500 to R10,000 they would earn in the SAPS, many of these soldiers of plunder have taken leave from the police to go work in Iraq. The Defence Ministry has estimated that 100 former and active duty soldiers from the SANDF have been lured to Iraq by such lucrative rewards. Defence Minister, Mosouia Lekota, said that all but one of these are white men. There has to be many thousands more than 100 SANDF soldiers in Iraq. A recent UN report said South Africa provided the third largest number of security personnel to Iraq. The report says South Africans are willing to work for less money than their British or US counterparts, which makes them cheaper fodder for international companies.[/b]

DieVluit:
Again -

A 60 year old can fly a sortie.

You have advanced no reason as to why that is impossible.

Mental weakling.

And if I were a troll, you wouldn't be engaging me.

By your own President's admission, your men had to be trained on the field because the war is already ongoing. That means only one thing - the South Africans are embedded. The rigmarole of reporting back and getting advice is counter to what your president said anyway.

And by your own admission, this is a high-intensity war - which automatically excludes long-distance advice seeking. It has to be instant.

Again - mental weakling.



Below.

http://ccs.ukzn.ac.za/files/mercenaries%20in%20Iraq.pdf

..Mental weakling.

IT IS CLEAR THAT THOUSANDS OF CURRENT ACTIVE SOLDIERS IN SANDF HAVE RESIGNED TO JOIN THESE GROUPS IN IRAQ, SO, SA MERCENARIES ARE NOT OLD AS IN 2015. WELL I HAVE TO AGREE THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO ARE OLD BUT THAT NUMBER IS NOT SIGNIFICANT.

stillchris:
lol... old men above 60 still in combat? we hear you.

Yes but their intelligence and the bullet that comes out of their guns is not old. However, those old Apartheid soldiers have been also secretly recruiting thousands of young white, black and coloured boys particularly whose contract in SANDF were not renewed and further trained them abroad, particularly in Iraq. SA mercenaries have now been rejuvenated with young blood and many do not come from old apartheid forces. Those in Nigeria are suspected to be made of both black and white young men led by more older experienced commanders. The SA institute of security studies has made that report.

NIGERIA IS TELLING LIES YET AGAIN.


http://m.voanews.com/a/nigeria-foreign-mercenaries-boko-haram/2677676.html

The Nigerian government is packed with propagandists, even their president admits. If they tell lies about certain issues why would they not lie about their clandestine extensive use of mercenaries.


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/178441-breaking-jonathan-admits-nigeria-lied-over-morocco-phone-row-orders-probe.html

agaugust:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7424/15842545623_6a527bd4aa_o.gif

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31902503
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Nigerian trained fighter pilots do not have that skill only mercenaries can achieve that.

stillchris:
beegeagle is a very close friend to colonel Eben. so it's very easy for him to have access to these guys.

now you know the true story.

That is not the true story, just ask Beegeagle to inquire colonel Eben why are foreigners bulking up in Nigeria on a large scale, some of whom are not linked to arms industries to can train Nigeria on any weapon. What are they doing there and how sure is he if they are not being used as secret weapons that kill Boko haram.

Nigeria in the past refused AU assistance and has told international media that Nigeria's problems must be solved by Nigerians and now why are foreigners with white skins massing up on their land. Foreigners whom majority of them have previously served as mercenaries in Iraq, an example would be that of Leon Lotz. Nigeria can continue with their agenda of fooling people through propaganda, but they will not fool all the people all the time and that one person is me.

[size=20]Immediately you recruit foreigners to train your regular army in whatever area, it does not matter what kind of assistance they offer to your own forces, in the right sense they must be regarded as mercenaries.

Nigeria has always been using mercenaries to fight their battle. It doesn't matter how hard they will always refute the allegations. The question is what are foreigners doing on their country, especially those who are not linked to the arms industries. It is clear and final that NIGERIA IS MAKING USE OF MERCENARIES TO KILL BOKO HARAM.

NIGERIAN MILITARY IS INCAPABLE, NO SKILLS TO MAINTAIN THEIR EQUIPMENT NOT EVEN ON THEIR PRIVATE SECTOR NOTHING. INSTEAD, HAVE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLAR TO PRIVATISE THEIR WAR.

BOKO HARAM IS DEFEATED BY MERCENARIES.


"FINISH AND KLAAR"[/size]

agaugust:
Cuba is teaching South Africa Lessons II of Angolan Bush war.....maintenance of made in South Africa military vehicles
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South Africa is teaching Nigeria many lessons to maintain their equipment.

agaugust:
Old story from grandfather. 1980s expired war. Dead, retired, or gray haired old men SADF disbanded apartheid army.

Show us war fought by today's new SANDF of HIV infected Southie soldiers, show us the enemy main battle tanks your internet army has destroyed in the last 20 years
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Lagos, Enugu, Port Harcourt, (Akwa ibom) Abuja, Warri, Onitsha, Aba, Jos, llorin, Oyo, Calabar, Benin City etc is overflowing with AIDS that is not receiving treatment. The most hit are military men.

agaugust:
[size=13pt]All is just another Super Story TV drama by Wale Adenuga Productions.....until SANDF buys those weapons and inducts them into service in your military arsenal, you have NOTHING.

Mokopa missile is an example, produced but rejected by SANDF, refused to buy, not purchased, not in service....you have NOTHING but photos and a long script for super story part II....showing next week on Channel 51 UHF
. [/size]

DENEL=SA GOVERNMENT=SANDF. During the bush war SADF never bought any weapons from KENTRON now DENEL. They were supplied with weapons free of charge, so, whatever that is in DENEL inventory belong to SANDF and the people of SA. Now at peace times SANDF is required to buy only for formality at a reduced price so that DENEL remains sustainable in doing business.


However, during war we will unpack whatever that DENEL has in the interest of protecting South Africa and all the private defence industries we have will have to make their contribution to ensure that their businesses will be safe guarded. Have you ever asked yourself why SANDF is training with DENEL weapons irrespective of whether it is in service or not. DENEL DEVELOP WEAPONS PRIMARILY FOR SANDF.

rka1:
They can't even look after SANDF trucks. Super power my behind.

Nigerian military is even worse

agaugust:
Okay that's where you groom your online army of internet based virtual photo-club soldiers
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Your country does not have a training facility of such calibre to simulate a real war with live ammunition. So, that is just beyond your comprehension and only the US military and others will understand what are we talking about.

overhypedsteve:
ok so we only have 10 military institutions with the name battle school? hmm! thats cool, i like this game of big names.

Yep!! only ten of such facilities are found in the whole world, so, Boko Haram couldn't have such facility even the Nigerian military.


http://www.actc.army.mil.za/

agaugust:
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Finally, the highest relevant authority has spoken, the Chief Of Army staff of Nigeria Lt. General Minimah says " No foreign mercenaries fighting war for Nigeria against Boko Haram".

END OF STORY.

CASE CLOSED FINALLY FOREVER.

Shame on you South Africans...we use your white-heads for mere casual labour jobs

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The last person to listen to is MINIMAH, the greatest liar in the universe.

agaugust:
I am a PMC non-combatant and I wear military camouflage in high risk zone, but not standard army green camo, I wear grey shade uniform like some other PMCs do, and those PMC guys in Maiduguri were wearing light grey camo.

Don't brag about what is beyond your knowledge dude
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There you go again with your antics of telling lies. Wearing camo will expose you as a mercenary or do you mean do you mean those camos that you can just buy from civilian clothing stores? ""

overhypedsteve:
you re holding on to a fallacious claim. and i am personally surprised that you ve not edited your post yourself to correct your own mistake. What you call battle school could be the same thing another country chose to call a war college, war institute and so on. you don't just wake up and say South Africa has the only Battle school in Africa, doesn't it even sound ridiculous to you, knowing the fact that even small non state actors like militias e,g Boko Haram, Al shabab e.t.c all operate similar institutes

YOU ARE LOST!!!! WAR COLLEGE OR WAR UNIVERSITY OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT IS NOT ON THE SAME FOOTING WITH THE BATTLE SCHOOL. THE WORLD AT LARGE HAS ONLY TEN OF SUCH FACILITIES. THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE HAS ONLY TWO FOR WHICH SA IS THE LARGEST. I QUOTE:


The SA Army Combat Training Centre is unique
in the sense that it is one of [size=14]ten similar
institutions in the world[/size] that provide exclusive
and permanent facilities for landward warfare
training. [size=14]Only two of these institutions are
located in the Southern hemisphere, of which
the SA Army Combat Training Centre is the
largest, 158 000 hectares in total.[/size]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohatla


http://www.actc.army.mil.za/

iterator24:
you've got spaghetti in your skull not brains.. why would they wear camo when they're not in a war zone

The so called Nigerian technicians are wearing camp wherever they go.

Some of the reason why SA should take drastic steps against mercenaries.


http://m.mg.co.za/article/2012-04-10-sa-refuses-to-indulge-uns-mercenary-probe/

rka1:
Looks like SA could have done with the mechanics contracted by Nigeria

Cuban technicians bringing SA Army trucks back to life

Written by Guy Martin, Monday, 16 March 2015


Cuban mechanics assisting SA Army mechanics.Almost a hundred Cuban technicians are working with the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) to maintain and preserve Army, Air Force and SA Military Health Service equipment, with the Cuban technicians already working on refurbishing 130 Army trucks.

Ninety-three Cuban technicians arrived in South Africa last month, including nine with the SA Army’s 102 Field Workshop in Potchefstroom. At the moment Samil trucks from Wallmansthal are being refurbished but other vehicles may be repaired at a later stage.

130 vehicles have been earmarked for refurbishment but the SANDF is looking at overhauling 250 trucks. Three vehicles have been completely refurbished so far with others in the works. The first vehicle, a Samil 20, had 250 hours of work done on it involving the engine, differentials, electrical system, pneumatic system, bodywork etc.

Technical maintenance repairs are being done in Potchefstroom while a Cuban detachment in Bloemfontein is looking at storage and preservation of vehicles. There is another team in Pretoria examining preservation procedures.

The Cubans were invited to South Africa on a year-long contract to both refurbish vehicles and assist the SANDF build capacity and train mechanics. “The SANDF has had numerous problems with our vehicles,” SANDF spokesman Siphiwe Dlamini said, adding that it has been trying to fix the vehicles through external service providers. “Our vehicles get fixed but two to three weeks down the line they are stuck on the road.”

“The Cubans are here to assist us fix the vehicles and create capacity within the defence force so we can do the fixing and maintenance repairs ourselves,” Dlamini told a media delegation in Potchefstroom on Friday. “Until we create capacity ourselves we will be forced to continue to rely on external service providers.”

The Cubans are not just refurbishing vehicles - they have five goals: to organise fleet management, organise technical support, deactivate old vehicles, preserve vehicles and perform maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) activities.

Brigadier General Elvis Mathaba, Director of Army Logistics, said that the Cubans in particular were invited to assist the SANDF for several reasons: they are cost effective; private industry is reluctant to pass on skills to the SANDF; Cuba helped South Africa during the Struggle years and still has good relations with South Africa; and Cuba has been able to keep its own military vehicles running in spite of half a century of sanctions.

Mathaba said the poor state of the SANDF’s vehicles was due to a lack of maintenance, repair and overhaul. A skills shortage has compounded the problem and this Cubans will help address this.

Poor vehicle serviceability has financially impacted on the SANDF as the United Nations does not reimburse the military for unserviceable vehicles used on international peacekeeping deployments. The SANDF has equipment deployed in Darfur and the Democratic Republic of Congo with UN missions there.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38380

No Cuban technicians will wear military camouflage like they do in Nigeria.

rka1:
You know more than the CoAS abi?

The over 200 girls were kidnapped from their hostels at the Government Secondary School, Chibok, Borno State on April 14 2014.
Mr. Minimah also denied that Nigeria hired mercenaries to fight Boko Haram.
He said there are only military advisers and instructors meant to maintain the newly-acquired security equipment.
“Whenever you have new equipment, the equipment come with contract and the contract
include maintenance and the technicians that come with them are those that we hire,” he said.
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/178639-nigerian-military-found-no-sign-of-chibok-girls-in-recaptured-territories-army-chief.html

Mr Minimah yet he failed to explain how did Mr Lotz who was recently in Iraq doing mercenary work ended up in Nigeria. Mr Lotz was not contracted to any defence industry and was neither an engineer nor technician. Mr Lotz died in company of other soldiers, so one can ask how did civilian mechanic ended up in company of other soldiers wearing military camouflage.

rka1:
More opinions, no facts. Mechanic contractors arrested for lying under bonnets

Will be embarrassing for the SA government when the truth comes out.

The mechanic narrative is just a cover up. Since when did former soldiers went to technical colleges to learn how to be technicians? Nigeria is doing all it could to cover the tracks of the activities of mercenaries, but most often their explanations is contradictory. One says they were mechanics, another say technicians and the government spokesperson now say they are trainers who were contracted to train Nigerian soldiers. Different version of evidence is what you get.


Meanwhile, the wife of the dead mercenary, Mr Lotz confirmed that the husband was a fighter, a mercenary and has been in Iraq doing mercenary work. Nigeria is trying to cover the tracks concerning the death of Mr Lotz who was killed by incompetent Nigerian troops who panicked and fired a shot prematurely without having to double check the target.

agaugust:
How many troops does SANDF have in Congo DRC, and how many are combatants among them, or your vehicle drivers, mechanics, cooks, nurses, and army female prostitutes also fight in battle firing rifles?

Out of the 80,000 soldiers in SANDF armed forces combined, less than 900 have fired R4 rifle in battle since the day they were born by their mothers.

You have an internet based virtual army called SANDF, bunch of rookies with ZERO war experience
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The whole 50 000 Army personnel have fired R4 either in battle or in the battle school, the only battle school in Africa.