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blackchris: my brother. when truth comes from one of their united(as they claim) comrades, they'll call it racist comments. so where's the unity? hehehehehehe i dey laff o

Your fellow countryman, claiming to be an expert in military warfare and employed in defence industry somewhere in America had just exposed himself as an imposter who hardly know nothing about combat. He is just disgracing himself big time lately because his 419 brain cannot defeat that of his South African counterpart intellectually. All that he is passing here is just ignorance of the highest order marred with hallucinations.

agaugust: fool during Badme war 1998-2000, both Ethiopia and Eritrea were busy buying/importing SU-27 Flanker and Mig 29 Jets complete with mercenary pilots from Ukraine and Russia. where was the UN embargo/sanction then ?

see arms sales log below , you south africans just post comment with no proof, you soweto fools

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1998 to 2000

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 07 August 2013


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Russia
R: Eritrea (4) Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter 1998 1998 (4)
(6) MiG-29S/Fulcrum-C FGA aircraft 1998 1998 6 No. could be up to 10; incl 2 MiG-29UB
Ethiopia (2) Mi-24V/Hind-E Combat helicopter 1998 1999 (2) Ex-Russian; deal worth $150-160 m incl Su-27 fighter aircraft and Mi-8 helicopters
(2) Mi-8T/Hip-C Helicopter 1998 1998 (2) Ex-Russian; deal worth $150-160 m incl Su-27 fighter aircraft and Mi-24 helicopters
(9) Su-27S/Flanker-B FGA aircraft 1998 1998-1999 9 Ex-Russian; deal worth $150-160 m incl Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters; incl 2-3 Su-27US version; for use against Eritrea; flown by Russian pilots
(4) Su-25/Frogfoot-A Ground attack ac (1999) 2000 4 Incl 2 Su-25UB version

What part of greatest possibility don't you understand. Looking into the influence of both countries in the continent there is a greatest possibility that both countries can be slammed with sanctions. Now let us take it that both countries are hit with arms embago, how will Nigeria, Egypt and Ethiopia be able to survive?

agaugust: nigerian air defences do not need to stop south african air force jets from flying into the air, but we will ensure your jets come down from the air where there is no airport.

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That is very stupid because our jets would have caused irreparable damage. That way it is clear that your airforce fleet is too small to launch an air offensive against SA.

agaugust: show me the heavy equipment Ethiopia or Algeria produces, because any one of them will defeat south africa in war.

your amry has no 'bones' your air force crashes chasing poachers your navy is as foolish as @andrewza

During war it is a greatest possibility that all parties in conflict will be slammed with sanction, most probably arms embago. Now tell me if those countries are in war with South Africa how will they be able to develop weapons if they do not have that capability? Don't you think that SA will utilise such weakness to their advantage.

agaugust: i know that already, most missiles snap up snap down, but there is a difference. anti-aircraft missiles are NOT a standard defence against anti-ship missiles, they are more used against cruise missiles which many times do not skim or hug sea surface and have slow subsonic speed not fast like anti-ship missiles that have about supersonic speed and skim/hug the sea surface.

go back to my post inside your own quote of my words, i DID NOT say umkhonto CANNOT stop an Otomat missile, but i said :


"Umhkonto missile is not the weapon of valour frigates designed to stop surface to surface missiles, you got it all wrong. show us a source that says its is for anti-surface use. it will not perform well in that role and the south african warship will get sunk in that wrong use of defensive weaponry."

i said Otomat could have 80% chance of hitting the valour frigate, meaning the defenses of valor frigate have 20% chance too of stopping the otomat. i am not like you south africans who believe only you have 100% chance of winning. i gave both a chance, but the better chance goes to the Otomat.

there is NO source that says umkhonto is for defence against sea skimmig anti ship missiles. DENEL can make any 3D image drawing they want to sell their product, but let them go try it out in real war and use anti-aircraft missile against a sea hugging anti-ship missile, then they see d.eath enter through the ship's windows.


go and talk to your navy admirals, not the @andrewza navy rifleman you have here.

go through all military records that have technical basis, no weapons manufacturer is marketing anti-aircraft missiles as a defence against sea hugging ant-ship missiles

time for school again my small boy, let me teach you world military standard of defence against anti-ship missiles like the Otomat of nigerian navy warship NNS ARADU.

i have many military stuff in my private files i can give you on this topic, but i wont, no need to give you to much because you never say thank you for what i teach you here that your south african plastic toy soldiers on this forum cannot teach you because your johannesburg military academies are a part of your over-rated south african enclave.

let me use a cheap and public source....wikipedia, and tell you all the things i did not want to tell you before :


[size=16pt]Warships' Standard Defences Against Anti-ship Missiles[/size]


Countermeasures against anti-ship missiles include:


1. Anti-missile missiles such as the Russian Navy's 9K33 Osa (SA-N-4 Gecko)

2. Close-in weapon systems (CIWS), including the Soviet-or Russian-made AK-630 or Kashtan/Каштан or the Phalanx and Goalkeeper. These are automated gun systems mounted on the deck of a ship that use radar to track the approaching missile, and then attempt to shoot it down during its final approach to the target.

3. Anti-aircraft guns such as the Mk 45 5-inch naval gun or the AK-130

4. Electronic warfare equipment (such as SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare Suite)

5. Decoy systems (such as "chaff" - the US Navy's RBOC system), and "flares", or more active decoys such as the Nulka

6. Reduction of their radar cross section (RCS) and hence radar signature.

limit a ship's infrared and acoustic signature.


did you see any anti-aircraft missile like south african Umkhonto SAM on the above list ? NO, big NO


source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile

anti-ship missiles are very dangerous, see war history below and watch the video.

Falklands War History 1982 : British Royal Navy Guided Missile Destroyer HMS Sheffield loaded with anti-aircraft missiles could not stop Argentina's Exocet sea hugging anti-ship missile, the ship crew saw it but could not stop it, one single missile sank the warship with one single hit...and nigerian Otomat has a more powerful explosive warhead than Argentina or South Africa or France's Exocet missiles...google it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4



source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sheffield_(D80)


i am never in a hurry to reply you these south african little fishes, but now, let me answer your question of 2 days ago...



[size=16pt]NNS ARADU can fire all her 8 Otomat anti-ship missiles in one single attack[/size]

Typical Mission - Otomat Missile

In terms of technology and operability, this Otomat missile, while almost unknown the general public having not been involved in a war, presents a very powerful anti-ship weapon and perhaps the most powerful of all modern western anti-ship missiles having a mid course data-link.


No particular maneuvres are required by the ship: the missiles are capable of changing course after the launch up to 200° so all the missiles in the ship could be used against the same target in one attack.

This allows for quick reaction times as the ship does not need to change direction to unmask the missile batteries. This allows the ship to fire all missiles against a target regardless of where they are place aboard.

source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

NNS ARADU carries 8 Otomat missiles at once, if she needs any guidance help, she has a new radar now plus support from nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyor maritime aircraft with sea targeting and search radar with range of 330km


Armament :

8 x Otomat Mk 1 SSM
24 x Aspide SAM in octuple launcher
1 x 5 inch gun, 8 x Bofors 40 mm gun
6 x torpedo tubes
1 depth charge rack

source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aradu_(F89)[/size]




meanwhile, i am getting tired of talking to these south africa dummies...feeling like exiting this forum, not sure yet. these south african mugus just tire me fa!

When exactly is your stupid 419 brain going to stop lying? You never knew a thing because all that you told us was that the umkhonto is launched from a fixed vertical pipe and will only fire straight in the air to provide air defence other than anti-surface because it was not engineered to behave that way. Little did you know that umkhonto is manuevrable and can provide defence in all directions and now you want to come with ignorant claims that many missiles behave that way. How many missiles do you know of that nature that behave that way because umkhonto is only few of its kind that have such capability. Your ship has been sanked and you must think South Africans for pledging their free time to offer you free education.

Below is the official website of 28 squadron in waterkloof Pretoria, the transport unit of C-130s Hercules.
I hope that @Blackchris will see for himself;

http://www.af.mil.za/bases/afb_waterkloof/28%20Squadron.htm

This base is where fighter pilot works.

blackchris: DESPERADO

so wikipedia is now your most reliable source of information abi.. am beginning to understand the source of your ignorance.

NAF has more than 15000 personnel, 8 military transport plane(four operational while the remaining will finish upgrade before next year). so your source of info in highly inaccurate.

i don't know why you people like to live in denial. your generals have said it themselves that your military is dead. so who are you to challenge their statements?

almost all your helics and jets are grounded due to lack of maintenance, you transport plane... your 60 years old transport planes have been grounded for months. so why the lies?

Not one of the SA Air Force’s (SAAF) 18 Agusta A109 helicopters is currently flying because there are no funds to use them operationally, the Afrikaans daily Beeld reports.

Along with the mothballing of 12 Gripen fighters as well as the under-utilisation of the remaining 14, this means a second aircraft type obtained as part of the Strategic Defence Acquisition Package are not being used, according to the paper’s specialist defence writer Erika Gibson.

“The Air Force, as with the entire SANDF is suffering as a result of government’s inability to decide what it wants from its military.

“An air force without fighters is a dead duck in the African military context. A defence force without helicopters and transport aircraft is a dinosaur in a swamp. An army without attack and transport helicopters is a lame duck and a navy without maritime helicopters and maritime patrol aircraft is blind,” was how the Defence Review Committee member reacted to the A-109 grounding coupled with other current equipment shortcomings in the SANDF.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31305&Itemid=108

With the country’s military watchers united in their view the SA Air Force (SAAF) is fast approaching crisis point in terms of operational ability

He also points out the SAAF definitely needs more equipment.

“The need for new transports to replace the 50-year-old C-130BZs, maritime patrol aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles won’t go away just because the operational budget has been squeezed.”
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31330&Itemid=108

you don't have an air force. and you @msauza know absolutely nothing about Nigeria. period

i repeat. build your military capabilities first before you can talk of fighting anyone. case closed

Chief, our Airforce is being financed more than your Airforce and we are using much advanced plane than what you have in your hungers of your so called Nigerian Airforce. Don't tell me about Agusta A109 because such is not a war plane. Moreover, there is a difference between "under storage" and "grounded". When planes are grounded, like 3 of your F7 it means they are no longer safe to fly and when planes are under storage it means something else. When your car is under parking in your garage, does not mean that it cannot drive, it means that you have parked it there because you temporarily do not require its services and instead you are using other cars.

SA Airforce is undoubtedly more equiped than your Airforce, with fighter jets, gunships, missile technology and transport planes.

Besides, let me leave you with something to ponder on. Why is your military expert Agaugust always quote wikipedia as his reliable source? Why is it all wrong for us to do likewise.

blackchris: We killed 36 SA troops, CAR rebels say
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/We-killed-36-SA-troops-CAR-rebels-say-20130405

so it's your words against theirs. and frankly speaking, the world doesn't believe yours

Bwahahahahaha!! You believe him of all the people. Our government has revealed the names of soldiers killed in CAR on their gazette and their funeral was even shown on international television for all to see. Thirteen soldiers were buried on that day before their families. Two more soldiers died weeks after the burial of their colleagues due to the injuries sustained and adding the number to fifteen(15). South Africa lost 15 soldiers in CAR. Are you just holding on to this just to console youself or were you just trying your luck to test me if I am informed or not. Sorry! You misfired.

giles14: south african ar big fools and u guys ar too dull,dont for get u suffered defeat in d hand of C.A.R rebel,32 troop gunned down in 1minute

Where do you get 32 now?

Is now time to compare both countries Airforce and look what country has what.

Here is Nigerias Airforce fleet:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Air_Force

And here is South Africas Airforce aircraft:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force

Let the jury judge who has more transporter planes.

blackchris: it surprises me how you arrogantly display how highly ignorant you are. smh

Nigeria: Darfur Troops Airlift Delay Not Our Fault - Defence
The Defence Headquarters in Abuja yesterday said the failure to airlift Nigerian troops serving under the United Nations African Union Hybrid Missions in Dafur, Sudan, on time was not its making.

The soldiers have threatened to go on rampage if they were not paid their allowances and airlifted back to Nigeria on or before July 3, 2012.

The soldiers, whose duty tour expired on May 26 after the mandatory six months, are from battalions NIBATTSS 30, 31, 32 and 33 deployed in November 26, 2011 and January 12, 2012.

The Director of Defence Information, Colonel Mohammed Yerima, said the Defence Headquarters has paid all the entitlements of soldiers and has no hands in their transportation. "The UN is responsible for troops airlift exercises and was actually expected to transport Nigerian battalions due for rotation.

The UN was to bring back to Nigeria NIBATTSS 31 and replaced it with NIBATTSS 34 which is currently here but after transporting over a hundred soldiers, they stopped.



grow your airlift capabilities before you can talk of going to war with anybody. eamples are CAR and your recent training with US. those US troop must have been like "is this supposed to be the military that ranks itself above great Nigerian military? and they can't even move their troops around in their own turf"

our planes have always been intact and more are coming next year.
[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/01/article-2264166-1702221c000005dc-148_964x641.jpg[/img]
[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/01/image-img_.jpg[/img]

Bwahahahahaha!! You only have one of that plane in service and we have 9 of them in service. All your C-130s were grounded and the one you see now was brought to life by Americans and later had to go to Germany for further upgrades. For all your 100 000 troops you only have that single plane to transport your troops around while other countries who accept challenges in respect of rapid deployment charter planes. I know every secret of your military like the palm of my hand. Your army does not have capability of transportation because I know every fleet of your Airforce.

So far we have proved that Nigerian Airforce is not as well equipped as that of its South African counterpart. A country with just 12 Chengdu F7-Ni can never expect to defeat a country 15 Griffins and 26 Hawks in a dogfight. Nigerias Russians Mi-35 gunships have by no doubt proven to be weaker than Denel's Rooivalk. The Denel's made gunship has been proven to be the worlds best top 10 gunship. Our Airforce use better missile technology than what NA has in their arsenal. SA Air force is much bigger than Nigerian Airforce in leaps and bounds, hence it will only be through the use of Juju that Nigerias Airforce will ever defeat SA Air force.

blackchris:

do i smell desperation?

that was clearly a matter between UN and Nigeria and has been settled. Nigeria wanted to withdraw those troops for the usual rotation but UN delayed for too long and the troops got frustrated. who wouldn't?

if you have your planes why did it take SA government 4 days to pull your troops out of CAR after they rallied round to book commercial flight for them?
why did they borrow a US plane to move troops from one place to another in your own country? planes kor.. planes ni.

grow your military in real life, not camera before you can start comparing with Nigerian military

You see now I am discussing military stuff with people who are totally clueless. It is not the responsibility of UN to airlift troops back to their home after their tour has expired. Many countries charter planes for their troops back home and many even charter civilian planes.

*Note: The UN pay all countries in advance for all deployment expenses and arrangements

I hope that has highlighted the loophole in your so called the strongest army on the continent as far as the transportation of troops is concerned. That incident was surely not the first because you even failed in your recent assignment of airlifting troops to Mali in time. Your generals made excuses about shortage of transporter planes instead.

blackchris: it's like south africans have problem understanding whatever comes from outside their heads.
i never said Nigeria almost declared war on france.
go back to my post and quote me if you wish.

you must think because france bullied SA out of CAR means we can be bullied too. rethink please

we didn't back down from taking on cameroon and occupying bakassi even when we knew france was involved. you can let envy kill you or you take it as lesson learned.

[/b]@mike..za. am still waiting for you to prove you've not been talking out of ignorance on this thread.[/b]

Who said France bullied South Africa out of CAR? Those assertions are flawed because France never bullied us by any means.

@Blackchris- you are just claiming by making such uniformed statements that your country has more transporter plane than South Africa. It was surely not our soldiers who were left stranded to die in Sudan after their six months tour expired, only because you never had transporter planes to airlift them back to Nigeria when other countries chartered planes to return their troops back home. Nigerian troops had to wait for UN to charter plane for them in order to be airlifted back home:

Read below how your troops died in Sudan out of frustration only because your country never had transporter plane to return them back home.

http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/exclusive/nigerian-soldiers-threaten-to-go-on-rampage-in-sudan-two-dies/

For your information, South Africa has more C-130s than Nigeria and both countries have Boeing 737s. Infact none of Nigerias C-130s is in service.

blackchris:
it's good that you can acknowledge that it won't be easy for france to fight us. while it will take zimbabwe a week to turn SA to a graveyard
mind you i never said we were gonna declare war with france. go through what you quoted so you can understand better.

i said we were gonna declare war with cameroon not minding they were backed by france. that's the kind of bravery SANDF lacks.

Your 419 jet doesn't work well indeed. What is Nigeria before France?

NaijaPikinGidi: Very good try SAEngine!! Very good one ... much better than juvenile CrayFish's brain! Like I said the story is in the picture ... to the extent that whatever transpired before or after that picture has LANDED into my AV DropBox folder as of last night! "Whoever" sent it to me has had a debriefing with them!! It is not for you to understand and not for me to disclose. The summary of what you see is that we know how to get about your SA. Or you'd like me to send through the complete set of images disclosing their identities? No I won't!! Not ethical for their safety and ours.

Back to your delusions ... I wish I had the powers of a spirit to be everywhere at the very same time! Smart operatives will always wear those headgears if they ever cared for their identity in public places! "Whoever" took the shots has applied himself correctly to the basic risks of the task. All my personal images have been applied specifically to prove to SA blockheads that we are REAL in the things we do and say anywhere for the security of Nigeria. You have "seen" me here but you'll never know me. Your comment does not prove that I'm the only person in the world with a head for a specific headgear! It rather fulfils the purpose of the riddles running circles in your brain. Your brother CrayFish was the one who jumped the gun on seeing those two SANDF boys by calling them poor Nigerians using cheap public transport! On realising they were SANDF he began his predictable tantrums and insults.

Notice that I have not said or provided anything to jeopardise identities on all sides? That's how to roll: win-win, tête-à-tête and the world keeps going round.

Simple objective:
:: To have you all positively identify your SANDF men and their patterns of public movement.
:: To let you realise that you are easily more vulnerable than other forces that you are quick to insult.
:: To show you that even the least of world's forces are entrenched in your territory for the specific day ...

The nature of interractions between all parties at your Parktown Station will remain unknown to you. To SAEngine, CrayFish and everyone who cares to see me ... you have a chance sometime this month!! Come get a free beer! Cheers!!

I'm off to Trafalgar Square!

Never underestimate the power of Nigeria.

Photo of SA Navy sailors/sea men taken on the go and were about to board a city liner. I don't know how would you do something so stupid by secretly taking pictures of people in public without their consent. Same, I can do it in Nigeria thousands times.

[quote author=Mike..ZA]Let's not talk about crashes,cause we all know Nigeria crashed 3 of its 15 its F7 fighter jets. What would happen in war situation? Remember the crashed helo was a light utility helicopter the A109.[/quote]It will even be worse if we highlight all their plane crashes

[quote author=Mike..ZA]The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy, including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo. The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about 18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air. During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5 projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During this
period two G5 batteries were employed, playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were good
that the tank concerned would be disabled. The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible owing
to its long range and the convenient top traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as the
prime target. One of the factors causing the MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor. The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June 1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles[/quote]Sadam Hussain procured 100 units of G5s Howitzers from South Africa and used them to frustrate Americans during Gulf war. No wonder the US have confiscated them after his successful defeat by the help of his people. The US have now put all Saddam's G5 in their war museum to remind them of the most powerful weapon from Saddam Hussain's arsenal that really gave them headache. The power of G5 howitzer.

saengine: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6540:fact-file-denel-dynamics-umkhonto-short-range-infra-red-guided-point-air-defence-missile-system-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

"The Umkhonto missile system provides point defence against high-speed aircraft and missiles at ranges up to 12km. The system provides all-round protection, including zenith, and has a “very high saturation level” through the use of vertical launching, automatic flight control together with multi-targeting capabilities."

"The Umkhonto IR is reputedly the first VLS IR SAM and also the first to use LOAL3 and can engage “eight or more” different targets simultaneously, using the ships’ Thales MRR (multi-role radar). Upon launch the missile is said to fly to a lock-on point using inertial navigation. At the designated spot the missile activates its IR seeker and locks on."



So this is your lesson for me? You clearly know absolutely nothing about Umkhonto missile. Nothing at all. Umkhonto SAM has 40G of maneuverability, meaning after launch it can very rapidly change it's direction you fool. You think it turns like a fat cow? Go back to sleep if you are clueless about this topic. Otomat missiles will be picked up from many kilometers away. Will you be firing them at us from 1m away? No. Your imaginary Otomat missiles will not touch any Frigate. This is the official picture Denel released with the Umkhonto SAM. What kind of targets is it engaging in this pic? Stop wasting my time, fool.

[img]http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sam_umkhonto-ir_scenario.gif[/img]

The 419 brain is too small to comprehend the technology behind Umkhonto missile, that it is engineered as multi defence system that can fire every direction from a point of its platform. The manoeuvrability behind this masterpiece is indeed so complex for 419 brain to consume.

Boko Haram target Lagos:

http://sunnewsonline.com/new/cover/why-boko-haram-targets-lagos/

blackchris: you are a very big f.ool if you think OPC is a militia group. these f00lish ignorant south africans that can't tell a social ethnic group from militias. most of you don't even know the meaning of the words you use, you just pick what you hear in movies

Have you read that source attached on my post. The source also referred to them as militia group. Persecute the source not me please.

Agaugust is the member of Oodua People Congress (OPC), the pan-Yoruba ethnic militia which warns Boko Haram against their plans to advance to South-West. Agaugust's group vow to frustrate Boko Haram terrorist activities. The question is will they ever win against the dreaded extreme Jihadist group. Remember, Jihad is a war that never comes to an end.

http://sunnewsonline.com/new/cover/opc-warns-boko-haram/

The ICC believes crimes against humanity have been committed in Nigeria:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=45565&Cr=criminal+court&Cr1

agaugust: .

[img]http://www.trt.net.tr/medya5/resim/2013/03/31/55e87c6c-c2d2-4bdf-b998-759a25e6360a-444x333.jpg[/img]


[size=16pt]South African Air force Helicopter Crashes Chasing Rhino Poachers[/size]


Army officials said the air force helicopter crashed at Kruger National Park as it was on a patrol duty as part of anti-rhino poaching operation.

The cause of the accident, which killed five air force members, is still unkown.

South Africa is struggling to stem rampant poaching of rhinos, whose horns are sold to buyers in Asia. Rhino horn is made of keratin, a tough protein found in human fingernails. There's a belief in Asia that ingesting ground-up horn cures diseases.

http://www.trtromanian.com/trtWorld/en/newsDetail.aspx?HaberKodu=16c0a897-5ade-4d1e-a18f-aa4775f0dbed



so what will happen to south african air force pilots in a real war against a powerful african country's military ?

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You are such a fool! That helicopter crashed because of technical problem, the direct consequence of it flying low most of the times.

agaugust: educate yourself :


It is in this meeting that President Ford told the Chinese: "We had nothing to do with the South African involvement, and we will take action to get South Africa out, provided a balance can be maintained for their not being in". He also said that he had approved 35 million US dollars more (in support of the north) above what had been done before. They discussed and agreed who should support the FNLA or UNITA by which means and in what manner taking into account the sensitivities of the neighbouring countries.

on 20 December 1975, the U.S. Senate passed an amendment banning covert assistance to anti-Communist forces and curtailing CIA involvement in Angola. Later that winter, an amendment to the foreign aid bill sponsored by Dick Clark extended the ban. (Clark Amendment) [111] The US administration resorted to other means of support for FNLA and UNITA of which one was raising mercenaries.

The CIA initiated a covert programme to recruit Brazilians and Europeans, mostly Portuguese and British, to fight in the north of Angola. Other ways of continued support for the FNLA and UNITA were through South Africa and other US client states such as Israel and Morocco.

i wont waste more of my time, i will just add that Israel helped south africa build its nuclear bombs at that time and tested them, France sold the Mirage 2000 jets south africa used just some months before the war started. Britain gave covert support, America provided valuable covert satellite help to south africa.

strategic military advice came from NATO to south africa covertly.

only foolish countires will publish details of covert military assistance on internet the way you foolish south africans think all things must be written on free internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_intervention_in_Angola

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War

My God I cannot believe your stupidity. So, France supported SA by just selling Mirage F1AZs and F1CZs during the time when South Africa were allowed to. Your analysis is very stupid because Mirage is a defence industry based in France and their means of survival is to make profit. They will sell their Jet to whoever is fit and legally allowed to buy them without any fear or favour.

Your 419 brain is so small to think indeed.

agaugust: almost every weapon in the world that has more than one missile is able to fire all its missiles in seconds. eg Roland SAM fires 2 missiles in one second and reloads 8 more missiles every 10 seconds in batches of 2 each. weapon manufacturers have a brain much better than yours. your b.rain has restricted calculative capabilities. every hard thing looks easy to you, while every easy thing looks hard to you.

NNS ARADU has not been wasting its Otomat anti-ship missiles in your dream of regular firing prcatice, do you know the cost of an anti-ship missile ? you think its a cheap AK-47 bullet ? how mant times has south african navy fired its Exocet missiles for practice ? how many will south africa fire for testing in the next 10 years since you have only 17 Exocet missiles imported from france ? you think missiles are cheap like rifle bullets ?

the nigerian navy Admirals and their men have all the 100% needed training to fire NNS ARADU missiles when they need to. there are simulator equipments used to practice war situations for most heavy and expensive military equipments. you dont know weaponry, you just rely on google. go buy and read military books, internet wont take you far.

show me where nigerian navy has been declared to have forgotten how to fire its Otomat missiles on NNS ARADU. show us proof that they lost their skills and knowledge...when they have simulators and are always going to germany for courses and training.

nigerian navy is not as foolish as you are, we have no submarines, yet we are training in Paskitani navy submarines, you think we just waste money ? you think nigerian military is foolish like you are ?

they are learning how to use weapons they dont have, then you imagine they dont know how to use the weapons that they already have. you really dumbo

your internet wont help you, i swallow military books and work among military men. thats the difference between you and me.

show us how an Umknonto anti-air craft missile will be used to stop a sea skimming missile that is hugging the ocean surface while your umkhonto missile is heading for the sky to hug the moon. fool !

there is a way ships defend against anti-ship missiles, i have helped you with this information, you never knew it before , this time be grateful to me for helping you learn about sea combat. go to google and find out the details of what i just revealed to you now, then come back talk to me again tomorrow....and say thank you to me at least for once

MR " SA is not on the list" aint you getting tired of telling lies?

agaugust: 95% of ECOMOG army was nigerian, 100% of ECOMOG air force was nigerian, 100% of ECOMOG navy was nigerian. 99% of ECOMOG battlefield and HQ command and control was nigerian. 1,000 nigerian soldiers dies in ECOMOG as 90% of all total casualties.

who was fighting then ? Togo republic ?

no nation fights war alone most of the time. check war history.

world war II germany/italy/austria/japan joined their military together. america/britain/russia/canada/australia joined their military together.

Arab war Egypt/Algeria/Iran/Jordan/Kuwait/Arab league joined their military together against Israel/plus USA/European covert support.

Falklands war Argentina/USSR covert support vs Britain/USA/NATO covert support

Gulf war Iran/American support vs Iraq/Russian support

Gulf war america/NATO/rest of the world joined their military against iraq/mujahedeen

Afghanistan war america/NATO joined their military together against Taliban/Osama Bin Laden/mujahedeen

Bush war Angola/Cuba/USSR cover support vs South Africa/Israeli, French, American, British and NATO cover support

Badme war Ethiopia/Russian support vs Eritrea/Ukranian support

who fight war alone ? a foolish nation that has zero diplomatic connections and international recognition.

you drank your beer directly from brewery factory production tank today

show us any war south africa fought and won clearly in victory

http://beegeagle./2013/01/23/the-real-impact-of-nigerian-ecomog-soldiers-what-you-do-not-get-told/
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Indeed, 419 brain will never think beyond its host. You are making unfounded claims by saying that SA had NATO support during the bush war. SA was under a heavy arms embago, yet had to fight dual war, both at home and in Angola without any military support from anyone. The US and China support was not of military nature but merely ideological. Initially SA challenged Angola in support of UNITA and the communist backed Angola called for the support of Fidel Castro and Russia. Both Cuba and Russia sent military support by pledging number of troops to fight on behalf of Angola, but America never pledged any soldiers to fight on behalf of SA. The Apartheid forces were outnumbered in Angola with only few weapons since they could not procure any because of UN sanctions.

MR "SA is not on the list" you have failed in your analysis. Go and make research about the bush war and come with a better improved knowledge to argue.

LT SHANGY: Aguagust, i must really confess that you are the most enlightened on military matters in this forum. The missiles being developed at Epe, Lagos are being discovered to be anti-submarines and anti-ship missiles. The Nigerian navy are working round-the-clock to be near-perfectly efficient in naval warfare. Currently acquiring ASW skills in pakistan.

MR "SA is not on the list" is not even close to be the enlightened on military matters. Are you telling me about the person who failed to comprehend simple information written on a news tabloid and instead misinterpreted it? How many of such information he misinterpreted to deceive us because it has been proven that his analysis is not credible.

Anyone with a 419 brain can never think beyond himself.

2smooth2shout: stop weeping about our missile program na. fact is Nigeria is working to perfect it' missile technology and have tested many.
unlike your military that doesn't have secrets, Nigerian military is one of the most secretive in the world. we weren't aware of the APC, Defense boat, etc until they were unveiled. that's how secretive they are so don't expect more info than what you've goten so far about our missile programs.

419 brain is too small to develop missiles. We want a link to convince us.

TRIBALISM:

IGBOS will never rule Nigeria again.

http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/05/19/abubakar-mamman-ngulde-the-igbos-will-never-rule-nigeria-again/

2smooth2shout: yeah you did and failed woefully. am not a novice on SA matters bob.

In Angola in the spring of 1988 the armed forces of apartheid South Africa and the US-backed mercenaries of Jonas Savimbi were defeated by the combined force of the Cuban military, the Angolan army, and the military units of the liberation movements of South Africa and Namibia. This led directly to the independence of Namibia and then to the fall of the apartheid regime in South Africa itself. Cuba’s heroic role is the outstanding example of principled anti-imperialist internationalism in the last decades of the twentieth century.
http://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola

Nigeria has zero combat history with other nations.