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podosci:
Not really, we use the colunms in conjuction with a ring lintel to give the bungalow a mini frame. It wont work with strong blocka at the coners ..... The sancrete blocks interlock to form one strong wall...... Failure of one unit can be detrimental to the whole.
Besides....many bungalows in Nigeria, are built without the colunms, the effect wont be felt immidiatlt but at a later date when horizontal cracks beging to appear slong the walls.

skimanski:
Story of Our concrete cast exercise today

podosci:
Its our generally poor knowledge of Building construction coupled with weak building enforcement agencies.
A Bs certified block might cost a bit more than the normal block we use, the extra cost would drive people away and cause a loss for whoever wants to go into that but if we have agencies that would ensure no matter the cost, Nigerians follow proper building construction methods and use BS certified Building materials, then it would be a good venture to go into.
Buildings in developed nations cost more than buildings in Nigeria, Because in Developed nations there is no avenue to cut corners, every building standards must be followed.

podosci:
To answere your Questions, if you can establish to a very high degree of certainty the strength of the blocks and the nature of the soil, its possible to build your bungalow without Rc colunms, in fact its possible to build a duplex without RC counms, and design the building and construct the building with load bearing walls.
Thank you.

abdulwastecx:
Ok sir... We are developing a building model that will pay more emphasis on the strength of the building.
What we have been able to do was to[b] introduce ten column per flat to make the house more rigid. this is necessary when you look at the strength of the block we generally use in our building construction[/b].

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Mayor78:
Following cost of water at N4,000 per thousand litres of water, and considering that we would require loads through the course of this project, I reluctantly sought the services of some artisans for orthodox borehole digging. It was strange what happened during the negotiating stage as I did that directly with them without them realising where I was calling from. My cousin invited three groups from Awka, Oba, and Asaba to come and give quote. The ones from Awka were the first to arrive early morning last Friday, and after inspecting the site, I asked that he put them on phone. So we entered into negotiations.

Here is the excerpts from our negotiation;

Me: Heelo what is your name?

Negotiator: Oga na Akpan

Me: (I quickly remove my pants on fire and told him) I no be Oga, Oga's dey Abuja I dey Ihiala LGA here where I dey work for Oga's)

Negotiator: OK sorry sir

Me: You be Calabar man

Negotiator: Yes sir

I went in to settle him first to feel somewhat close to home

Me: OK, that's good because we already have a very good Calabar guy leaving and working for years for my in-law very close to the site their.

Negotiator: That's good sir!

Then try placing him in anxious mode to defend his handwork.

Me: So Na you go do the job abi you be contractor?

Negotiator: Nooo! I no be contractor, na me go do the job with some boys I go call whey we don dey work together before.

Me: OK! You don dey work for how long?

Negotiator: Oga, I don dey work for like 5 years oooh!

Me: 5years dey work for somebody or what?

Negotiator: No 5 years working for my selfoooo!

Me: So you wan tell me say you sabi work and you fit do the work well well with 5 years working experience?

Negotiator: Yes Oga I sabi work , we go do am well well, no problem, we don work many places, I show your brother pictures of our work sir.

Me: OK make I take am say you sabi and say you go do am well well for me now.

Negotiator: Yes Oga

Despite warnings the guy can't stop using Oga - artisans negotiating strategy consciously placing your status above theirs. Anyway, I continued, allowing little sigh of relief, I proceed to the main issue.

Me: You don see the place you go do the work?

Negotiator: Yes, your brother don show me the corner, its good their oga. We go do am there, no problem.

Me: OK, so how much you go take do the work?

Negotiator: Oga na N900,000 we go take do am, complete am.

Disillusioning exclamation aimed at lowering expectation following the bombshell

Me: Whaaaat!!! (loudly exclaimed) 900 whaaaat?

Negotiator: Oga na N900,000 because we go dig a, cast am and we go pay workers, rent generator, buy tipper trip of shipping, buy 50 bags cements, buy 90 pieces Y12 iron rod, pay welder to construct casting model, do the casting!

Me: Are you joking?

Negotiator: Oga Nooo!! the work too much and we go do am well well, na so we dey do am.

Me : You think say if you begin to beat me, you fit get N900,000 for borehole, you no get brother whey be government worker?

Negotiator: I get sir.

Negotiator: Him tell you say dey dem pay N900,000 in month working a Local government?

Negotiator: No sir, Oga.

Me: You think say he go save N900,000 after a year for him work?

Negotiator: I no think so Oga

Me: So why you wan make I pay you N900,000, come! how many months you go take do the job?

Negotiator: Oga months ke, - I go take gbatagbata 1month.

Me: You see am so, na one month work you wan charge me N900K whey go take me more than a year to get for where I dey work, you wan make I owe you when you finish working for me?

Negotiator: Oga Nooo!!! Oga tell me wetin you wan pay.

Me: No na you go tell me wetin you go take work for me, then I go shake if I go fit pay you when you finish as you no wan make I owe you.

Negotiator: OK Oga, make u pay N750k sir because we go buy materials, rent generator, pay workers, do am well well, I no charge you Oga.

Eeeh! the guys really came with cutlass to shop off my head. Anyway after listing the things to buy and sensing that he may not have costed them I quickly went for the jugular question,

Me: So how much is your workmanship?

Negotiator: Oga na N450 sir.

Note the double Oga, and Sir, money matter, he condescends to the last aiming for a below the belt punch for an ego junkie. Well, not me. As soon as he mentioned N450k, I knew I had him because a rough mental calculation of the material may not reach N300K. My target is to do the work within N350-400K. Then I remembered the Ijebu man Egunmogaji and his avowed negotiating skills, and we resumed;

Me: I would provide every materials and pay N50K cash in full.

Negotiator: Aaaah Oga! (the guy shout!) that one no go do am now Oga!

Me: Check am now materials too expensive and the things to buy many well well, I provide that and pay N50K.

Negotiator: Oga e no reach, make you pay N300K.

Me: N300K dey too much for one month job, would you do the job at N100K.

Negotiator: No Oga I no charge you, make you pay us N280K.

Me: Look I get friends whey dey build around the area whey still need borehole jobs, if we settle and you do the job well well I go tell them to give you the job, and since you can finish one job in one month, I have about six other people which means you are sure of being busy around here in the next six months.

Negotiator: OK Oga make you pay us N250K.

Me: Well you still dey high, just let me know your final quote, we do already invite some Hausa groups coming this morning to quote for the job and they don do work for one man not far from here in the past. Their work is good and fast. If they come give better quote we go give them the job.

Negotiator: Oga we wan do the work for you make we show you our handwork, we go do the work finally with N200K just to show you.

Me: Is that your final final?

Negotiator: Oga I go carry 4 people come work and we go do the job well make we leave am at N200 abeg.

Me: Let me talk to my cousin.

After talking to my cousin, he agreed that we give them the job as the picture they showed him was a neat job and they are the ones in the pictures.

Me: Akpan, Its OK I have decided to give you a trial. If you do the work well, you will get other works.

Negotiator: That's OK Oga but abeg when you tell your friends add something for me abeg Oga.

Me: What price?

Negotiator: Oga N350K dey good abeg.

Me: OK, do mine well first and we will see. When are you starting?

Negotiator: Today, we will continue work now and go home in the evening to bring more people and the rest of tools Oga.

Me: That sounds nice, go ahead then, my cousin will discuss mobilisation with you and the materials would be ready for you.

So finally, borehole job out at N200K. If I do that within N400K, I would be happy as a guy close to me did his with N650K, and one other did his at N750K. I would consider N400K a bargain provided the standard is quality. We will see.

desiji:
@ The Thank is 15000 litres and it was bought for 20000 naira

desiji:
When i read about people with Geological Survey still going to spend about 450 Thousand naira for Bore-Hole i have to shout Halleluyah
for mine even Thou the first one Failed. The Young showed me That there are still Good Handworkers in Naija the boy called told me i had to add something went back and redid the whole Bore-hole again

EgunMogaji:
I've designed a window security system that will have the frame embedded in the wall but the actual security bars to be removable. I'll be testing it out first on the garage apartment.

But for sure I'm not doing the embedded security windows.

n3xt:
I promise to stop showing this.

EgunMogaji:
Forging ahead with showcasing some fantastic work by builders on this forum. (Hajj if you prefer that I set up a separate thread I can do that.)
This is not about one aspect but a totality of workmanship that's possible in Nigeria.

abbeyboy2o15:
What are the procedures for acquiring C of O in ibadan and cost of doing it.


http://www.oyostate.gov.ng/requirements-for-government-approval-on-land-transactions/certificate-of-occupancy-private-land/

n3xt:
Rat race . You both still have hundreds of years to live together o.

n3xt:
Multiply by 10 trips should be in the range of 80k. That's what I'll estimate for ground works alone.
You'll need more than 1000 litres tank to avoid being shortchanged by the water man.

Dont you think digging a septic tank now will save you the extra costs of tanks for now? Septic tank can take more than 5000 gallons of water and can be used to store water during the rains.
That will require some serious planning though but a great savings in the long run.

n3xt:
I just bought overhead tanks for my ongoing project and a 2000 litres tank for an upcoming one. So the price is current.

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I assume you are going to be buying water for now. How much is a tanker in Ibadan? Don't mind me o. I have something cooking in Ibadan that I'll be managing remotely and I want to have first hand information about prices of things.

n3xt:
1000 litres is 21k. 1200 litres is 24k. 2000 litres is 39k (original GeePee tanks)

Ajah prices as at this evening.

The size of the square tank is 1000 litres.

n3xt:
Buy the square industrial tank. It should be around 13k or 18k Max now due to rise in price of everything in Nigeria.

Before you finish your foundation, you'll have recoup the amount spent buying it.

n3xt:
Not bad. Let the show begin baba.

n3xt:
If I may ask bro, what are the challenges you envisage in a terrain as yours? Or areas of concerns that builders, contractors and experts might have mentioned to you (consciously or subconsciously).

For example, the fence you're doing. What are the challenges? And how do you plan to address them?

Just asking.

EgunMogaji:
It's quite sad though that three of us "Americans" are even discussing portable water in our residence in Nigerias 2016

God where is your eye? Help my country and her people.

mufutau55:
Na wah o. My place for Sango-Otta nah only 150k, the water dey commot like lagoon for the past six years now. The only problem I had was with Chinese pump they put in it... I changed that to good Italian submersible pump... and sice then nah water yanfu-yanfu o.

Hajji M.

EgunMogaji:
But you have the survey in hand.

Need to do same soonish.

mufutau55:
So Oga mi, with all the turanchi from Larwin, what is the conclusive summary of getting water from the borehole. All those geological oyinbo too much for me ni o.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:
I agreed. It should only be a Builder that showcase his work on Nairaland without any dispute.
I will not nominate because I will offend others...

Hajji M.