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Joagbaje:
One can't force anybody to pay tithe, they only lack the knowledge of the importance. The simple truth truth is that the non tithers simply lose the benefit associated with tithing period!

and what are these benefits u speak of, my friend? cos where i live at, i've never heard of a single person partaking in the fraud that is tithing and everyone here is way more successful n live a far more healthy n better life than ur average tithe paying maga nigerian

SMSguru:
Yes, my spiritual father fraudulent pastor that has brainwashed me into revering and calling him my father while at the same time duping me of my hard earned cash in the name of gawd has just spoken during the Jubilee/Passover Fleecing the Flock Night held at Living Faith Church Business Enterprise, Canaanland, Ota, Africa.

He made it clear during presentation of his message format to church faithfuls his magas that dog has a divine mirage agenda for this great impoverished nation.

He prophesied babbled without mincing words that Nigeria will be named among the World Powers by the year 2020 20000200000.

I can't wait to see it happen because I'm so sure that it will happen. I'm also so sure that I will be alive, safer, sound and stronger by then. (translation: i'm a mugu and regard every word that come out my 419 pastors fraudulent mouth as gospel)

Papa My cult leader has spoken! And God has never allowed any of his words to fall to the ground because the scriptures can never be broken like the fervent daily prayers of break throughs and prosperity me and my cult members undertake but things still keep getting worse while my pastors pockets keep getting fatter.

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[quote author=@labiyemmy link=topic=524025.msg6861669#msg6861669 date=1286023715]From the same guy who calls Africans Monkey?

See what he said earlier!

By african standards they are safe! !
what are you all talking about? ?

lets concentrate on the gullys you call roads here before you complain about small
flaws in a german car.
what an insult from monkeys.

They have owned up that there is a slight issue with the brakes and ppl are taking it too far as if
there is anything like standards in africa.

im annoyed with that rubbish continent in general.
Literally they get nothing right for centuries.
monkeys.[/quote]smh @ this coon of a poster. inferiority complex/colonial mentality surely is a disease. mr. tom hackney, you need to get the hell off this african monkey site and go lick the butt of your white masters; maybe you'd be awarded membership into the kkk for a job well done

Alwaystrue:

@Mudley313

Did you deliberately miss that out?

yes i did. cos i'm not obliged to answer to every deluded comment from the religious lunatic fringe. paul ni, saul ko.

God loves you, bro.

you must not be talking about that maniacal monster who gave those atrocious orders to his followers in the bible passage quoted above. unless, like i said earlier, you guys own definition of love is utterly warped from the delusion of dogma. god loves me but he's gonna be frying my azz in his imaginary torture chamber of eternal fire. yea right! retards

Alwaystrue:
@Mudley313,
I actually though you had some good advice but I can see its otherwise.
What ceases to amaze me is that you claim not to believe in God yet you keep going to the bible in your bid to discredit it.
What exactly are you trying to prove?
Why don't you have some peace and live your life and let others be? You keep walking 'to & fro'.
You will never see Christians going to Islamic/other religion threads to post such hate all because we are at peace with our Merciful God. Take it or leave it.
Therefore, go look for your atheist books to read and leave Christians since you have chosen to do so.
You know evil people by their continuous 'tear-down' approcah to life. They never build.
I, however, pray that your case will be like Saul/Paul in the bible and you will come to the knowledge of the truth.
May you receive divine peace to your troubled soul.

oh! the usual naija christian apologists antics of attacking e-personality instead of tackling the issues raised. stick to the damn topic you worshiper of a dead and rotten jewish carpenter

I actually though you had some good advice but I can see its otherwise.

so, advice/instructions straight from the mouth of the god you serve straight from his infallible(?) book of myths is not good advice? Okay. I see

What ceases to amaze me is that you claim not to believe in God yet you keep going to the bible in your bid to discredit it.

smh. how on earth can quoting directly from the bible be taken as an attempt to discredit it? or are you trying to say it discredits itself? that the all-loving jewish deity you guys always try to sell as all-loving and merciful is just one monstrous ego-driven genocidal maniac?

What exactly are you trying to prove?

that the bible god (according to your infallible bible) is a mass murdering blood thirsty monster that hitler, stalin and idi-amin combined cannot be compared to

You will never see Christians going to Islamic/other religion threads to post such hate all because we are at peace with our Merciful God.

quoting word-for-word from your bible is hate? now i see you're starting to get the picture, even though you just contradicted yourself again with the undeserved title of "merciful" after reading such atrocious deeds of your murderous god (straight from the horses mouth)

You know evil people by their continuous 'tear-down' approcah to life.

you must have a warped idea of what the word evil really is. you call quoting from your bible evil and see nothing wrong with a monster god who commands people to kill, loot, pillage, and r.ape others, including innocent women and children (and livestock, smh) just because they don't worship his egoistic angry azz

May you receive divine peace to your troubled soul.

May your mentally deluded and brainwashed soul receive the medical help you so deserve. ewu

babaearly:
When last did you go for check-up?

stay on topic you slowpoke. i quoted word for word from your holy(?) book on your maniacal god's despicable commandment to you deluded goons to go on a genocidal rampage and all you can come up with is some lame insult. imbec1le

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
*** Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.* In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.* If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.* Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.* Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.* That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.* Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.* Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.* He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.* "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."* (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Goddam! The bible god is a beast!
What say you Allah?


And Satan did what again?

mystikal:
Atheist are people who just want to appear cool. They feel it makes them gullible to believe in the existence of a God inspite of their Education and/or Status.

Its trending anyway! Got loads as friends!

i believe in the nigerian society its way more cooler to show off your fancy clothes, laces, cars or how much you can give as offerings every sunday than proclaim the non-existence of a JEWISH fairy tale of a god who watches over us day in day out, is all powerful but cant just seem to do anything for himself without the help of humans

so i dunno what you're blabbering about

Kay 17:
It took me 3yrs to passively think about abandoning my religion, 2 years of active thinking and doubt. Finally, I feel so frEEEE!!

The fear of Hell was a Bigg obstacle.

“Without doubt the greatest injury of all was done by basing morals on myth. For, sooner or later, myth is recognized for what it is, and disappears. Then morality loses the foundation on which it has been built.”



Religions always plan to indoctrinate children. Teaching religion to an adult is hard work because religions are absurd and often transparently so. In contrast teaching religion to children is easy. Children are susceptible and suggestible. It doesn't sound like far-fetched nonsense to a child, children are credulous.

The religious don’t regard telling children about hellfire and damnation is indoctrinating them before they have attained the age of reason, which it clearly is, they see it as a good thing. Making children fear hellfire is meant to save their souls and set them on the only path to righteousness. Nobody would deliberately teach their children a tissue of lies knowing them to be lies. The reason to instil fear into a child when they are too young to see that the story is farcical is never that the person doing the teaching believes that the story is farcical, the motives are always pure but no matter, the effect is the same.

Try telling an adult that God, who loves them, got angry with people doing bad things so he flooded the entire Earth and drowned almost all animals and people. Straight away they are going to spot that this is rather a petulant thing to have done. It would be mass murder on the biggest possible scale and it would result in the deaths of millions of innocent animals and children. This could not be seen as a nice story, not evidence that God was the kind of person you would want to be a member of your golf club let alone the being you wished to spend all eternity adoring. And yet children sit still and lap it all up. They don’t make the rather obvious connections between mass killing and being a bad-tempered and indiscriminate shit that any adult would when told the story for the first time. But then we tell children all sorts of preposterous things and they lap them up. There are two very good reasons for this: firstly children don’t have enough experience of life to see how crazy some of the things we tell them are and secondly a capacity to accept what figures in authority tell us is part of our make-up.

Credulity is essential in children. If we all began as blank slates from I think therefore I am we would almost certainly be dead before we had learned a tiny fraction of what we need to know. Questioning everything we are told is not a good strategy for little children. Children have to be wide-eyed and credulous so they can absorb all the lessons we need to pack into them.

Many of the things we have to teach children are very far from obvious and self evident. They learn about hunger, greed, ageing, death, learning, pain, healing and love. They have to cope with truth, lies, stories, myths, let’s pretend, cartoons, films, teasing, pets and wild animals. When we really think about the task a child has to master it is amazing that they cope so well. The reason that they do cope so well is that they have learning protocols built-in. There is no way that a formless intellect could cope with the demands of infancy as well as we manage it. Exactly how complex these built-in protocols are I believe is beyond our current levels of knowledge to fathom and it is an inherently difficult task to identify universal assumptions and spot the difference between things which are simply logical from those which betray the designing hand of evolution.

We can’t afford to tell children all about the electrical conductive properties of dilute acids, the price of domestic electronic goods, the necessity for work in advanced capitalist societies and the incidence of domestic violence in superficially loving families we just have to tell them that spilling juice is naughty, especially down the back of the 42 inch high definition television. Our children must have a capacity to accept what we tell them largely without question because otherwise they have a good chance of ending up dead, provoking their own murder or bringing catastrophe upon people around them. You can’t be having a five minute sit-down talk about why it would be a good idea to sit under the basket and keep quiet when the fire-arrows are hitting the log cabin. The capacity to obey your parents when they look you in the eye and tell you something with a sincere tone can sometimes save your life, your parents’ lives, your siblings’ lives, many lives of other relatives and the lives of dozens of yet to be born great-grandchildren. It is a logical inevitability that the capacity of small children to accept instructions and warnings without subjecting them to their own as yet feeble logical powers must develop. Any tribe that developed teenage patterns of rebellion or questioning at the age of five would almost certainly be wiped out within a century or two.

Children are primed to believe what they are told by figures in authority who seem to be looking after them. This wide-open credulity makes them prey to nonces, paedophiles who make up nonsensical stories to get children to come with them. It also makes them prey to something even more sinister with an even greater capacity to screw with them: religion.

Children will listen to stories about religious themes and will not question them, partly of course because they have been told that they should not question them and their parents use the same look-in-the-eye and solemn tone of voice to warn about the wrath of gods as they do to warn them about strangers, the dangers of being run over by cars and not eating toadstools. This allows a child to be filled up with many ideas, several of which individually are silly and easy to refute but when woven into a system whose integrity is not challenged become impregnable. If people come across a religion in their teenage or adult years they can easily see how it has been made and how it operates to lie to its adherents. Other people’s religions are clearly false, show clear evidence of deliberate lies and the effects of myth and wishful thinking. People can also see how different aspects of a religion combine to reinforce the belief in the believer. But a religious trap can be built very easily and without snapping jaws if you have the patience to let the child grow inside the trap. This is by far the most common way for people to get religion. Have you seen those nauseating child evangelists? One thing I can absolutely guarantee to you is that those child evangelists were not born to unbelievers, or evangelized by children.

Children are taught the same things over and over: Jesus died for us, Jesus was sent from heaven for us, Jesus loves us, God loves us, we should fear God, good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell, not believing is a sin, God made the world, faith is good, God moves in mysterious ways, every good person believes this, Jesus was born in a stable. Around and around go the stories. You can start listening on any level at any time. It does not matter at which point you start to hear or at which point you start to take more notice and think a bit harder. If you have gone around the cycle a few times you find the ideas knitting together. If you were given the whole story as an adult in full possession of all your faculties and no particular reason to pay attention and believe the story there is very little chance you would accept it. Adults are brought into the church with miracles or seeking a way out of a terrible problem such as addiction, poverty, immigration or having their world turned upside down by contact with the wider world. The number of perfectly well-adjusted adults who take up new religions is exceedingly small. If you are perfectly well adjusted what need do you have for a religion? They either screw you up when you’re a child or catch you when you are screwed up and vulnerable.

Using childish openness to imprinting to impart superstitions is wrong, to use this innocence and vulnerability to instil fear and guilt goes beyond wrong and becomes, in my mind, evil.

You can teach your children manners and morals without needing to scare them with hell or the concept of the all-seeing spy camera beyond all legal scrutiny up in the sky. What kind of moral teaching is it to say “don’t do that, somebody is looking”? If you teach your children this you are telling them that their behaviour is perfectly alright by you but somebody else (the shopkeeper, the policeman, the judge, the Caliph or God) has got a problem with it. Surely it is much better to explain why the behaviour is wrong, why it is harmful or what rights they are infringing. Don’t do that is acceptable. Don’t do that because it is wrong because of XY and Z is ideal but don’t do it because somebody is watching is telling your children to do what they want and then kill the witnesses.

The worst thing in the world is the child of a fundamentalist believer who has been taught that God defines what is evil and defines morality who then loses faith in God.

It’s only wrong if somebody sees it. Only God could see it. God is dead. Therefore it’s not wrong. Christians are creating monsters!

If you teach your children that only absolute morals have any meaning and only God can decide what is moral if your child ever stops believing in God you have effectively instructed them to be amoral sociopaths. It is a terrible strategy for future society, making children believe that the only thing between peace, prosperity and civilization on the one hand and utter chaos and complete moral decline on the other is the belief and faith in a story that many moderately intelligent children and the vast majority of the world’s best scientists and finest minds can see straight through. Credulity (labelled as faith) is the only thing between civilization and the bottomless pit of insidious turpitude. That is not only wrong it is a wicked lie and a slander against our species.

It is about time that mankind stood up and declared that libelling and slandering our species is not acceptable. Blasphemy is a victimless crime but libelling and slandering humanity is not. If you say all Negroes are incapable of telling right from wrong and are inherently evil you will stand a good chance of being hauled in front of a court if you say it in front of the right witnesses. Why should it be any different if you expand the race you libel to the entire human race? Is not the central message of many religions effectively incitement to racial hatred with the human race as the victim?

Teaching children about hell is quite clearly emotional abuse. Many people have revealed great emotional scars caused by religious indoctrination and the fear of hell. It seems especially likely to cause trauma when it is not the child's own fate that is being considered but the fate of other people who die. If you fall in line with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and raise the child of a mixed marriage as a Catholic you are guaranteed to cause distress. Yes my child, Grandpa Joe will go to heaven, he’s a good Catholic, but Grandpa Billy will not, he will go to the lake of fire and burn for all eternity, that is God’s plan. That is hardly likely to make for a good and happy childhood, especially if the child thinks Grandpa Billy is much better behaved and loves Jesus more than Grandpa Joe.

Fear of hell looms large in many a childhood. It is an extremely insidious notion that a god who is invisible and silent will yet punish for all eternity those who don’t believe in him. The Hebrews for all their bloody sacrificing and general barbarity did at least allow people to die and be dead. It is Christianity which first imported the notion of the underworld as a place of eternal torment from the Greek and Roman world and then subsequently turned up the heat to the max. The red hue and goatish appearance of the classical Christian Devil owes far more to the Roman god Pan than to the Satan that the Hebrews had borrowed rather late in the day from the Persians. Islam accepts the notion of hell and the devil, gives him back a variation of the Hebrew name of Satan and cutely rewrites the Garden of Eden story with this new devil in the role previously played by a talking snake. Islam decided to rewrite inconvenient bits of the Old Testament whereas Christianity used the Old Testament to endorse the New, by writing the New Testament consciously as a sequel trying to make as many connections as possible even at the strong risk of having thousands of contradictions, not least of which is the idea of the immortal soul and an afterlife which does not feature in the Old Testament at all.

Have you noticed how terribly badly behaved Jewish children are? Me neither. Jewish children are not scared with the prospect of hell because there is no afterlife in Judaism. So how do the Jews manage to stop their children killing and stealing and setting places on fire? As far as I can tell they tell them that doing such things is wrong. Whoa. Radical concept.

Hell is a terrible concept because of uncertainty and distance in time. We as a species have developed minds which can plan short and medium term strategies quite well but whole life plans are not quite so effective. One of the explanations is that our brains are built to do what economists call discounting the future. A reward next year to compensate for a sacrifice this year has to be bigger than the sacrifice, a reward ten years off will have to be significantly bigger than one which is one year off for the same size of sacrifice or it won’t be worth making the sacrifice. Heaven and Hell are way off in the future beyond not only all the time we have in the world but also beyond the uncertainty of death. To make it sensible to sacrifice now for rewards after death or to avoid punishments the distant rewards and punishments have to be enormous. To compensate for the uncertainty of death again the size of the rewards and punishments have to be larger still. The less likely a reward or punishment becomes the bigger it has to be. I don’t think it is a coincidence that as many churches have back-pedalled on hell and have suggested that more people will make it into heaven there has been less talk about what heaven contains, other than, well, consolation and it’s quite nice, heavenly even.

Heaven has just become a marketing tool to sell low fat dairy products, and being good has become just a metaphor for keeping to a calorie controlled diet.

As sure as Hell is just a figure of speech. Of all the things people have real faith in Hell has to be rather far down the list. Hell is deeply embarrassing to many Christians, they see it as a crude threat and they can see how fundamentally at odds it is with the concept of a loving forgiving god that they want to sell to people. How could a loving god see anybody tortured for all eternity? That is the behaviour of a tyrant, a monster, not somebody who loves us.

If people are not kept in line by fear of Hell and a desire to get into heaven because of the uncertainty and the time delays there is the opportunity to replace the post-mortem stick and carrot with something that actually works. People like being good. People like to be seen as good and like to feel that they are good and moral. To a large extent morality can be its own reward. And for those who are not afraid of being seen to be bad? I suggest we treat them in the same way as those who seem not to be afraid of going to hell despite claiming to believe in it. If you wanted to find a born again Christian and it wasn’t a Sunday where would you go? I’d try a prison.

Hell and the whole divine justice thing is of course unconstitutional in America and contrary to international agreements on justice and the rights of man. What could be more cruel and unusual than the punishments devised by the sadists in the Church? Of course you don’t really believe that St John the Divine, Dante and various Popes reported on what actually goes on in Hell do you? Of course not. Hell is entirely in the imaginations of sick Christians, based on preliminary sketches drawn by the Greeks and Romans and later plagiarized by Islam.

Back in the time of David no Hebrews (they weren’t called Jews then) had any concept of a soul that survived death or an eternal adversary for God so Hell was entirely foreign to them. Literally. The concept of the evil one came from the Persians and the concept of an underworld where souls (again a foreign concept) went after mortal death came from the Greeks. Religion back in the day of David was very simple, similar to the ideas of tossing a virgin into the volcano to placate the anger of the gods except the Hebrews were passionately opposed to human sacrifice while fascinated by it, all their sacrifices were of animals. If you read the Bible and believe any of the numbers in the first third of the book you would wonder why sheep are not extinct and why the tribes of Israel didn’t take over the entire world. Killing animals in the correct way while wearing suitable linen shorts and dabbing blood on the right extremities made God happy and made it slightly less likely that he would give your tribe boils and make all your sheep barren while probably adding a few months to your life and delaying your wife’s menopause. At no point will you ever read of a Hebrew king sacrificing animals for the soul of his father to save him from the fires of Hell (or indeed purgatory) because they had no notion of immortal souls or any concept of Hell. All that craziness comes in with sweet baby Jesus.

Source: http://mwillett.org/atheism/religion-is-child-abuse.htm

Gamine:
What do you believe in? Insulting people who don't agree with you?
Ok, fair enough.

i just believe in telling it like it is. if a full grown adult should wanna proclaim that santa clause comes from the north pole to dump gifts through chimneys or any of that obvious fairy tale crap i would give him/her same advice as i have given you, to quickly go get their head checked. so, im just doing you a huge favor n hope u heed to my advice. goodluck

Gamine:
Have you?

fvck outta here, you delusional freak having imaginary friends as an adult and believing in obvious fairytales; jewish ones at that. log off n go watch some tales by moonlight or sumthin, or better yet, go bang your coconut head against a hard concrete wall in order to knock you off your childish delusions

Gamine:
Have you had your morning coffee?

yes i have, and have you taken all of your medications for delusional schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder today? probably not

Kay 17:
This is really BAD research.

thats just being subtle about the fact that its the blabbings of a stack illiterate

Gamine:
While I agree that Africa was R.APED by 'Christianity'
It still doesn't make The Gospel less true than it is.

yea right. the fact fable that plants were made on the 3rd day in genesis without the sun (created on the 4th) to drive the process of photosynthesis makes absolute sense.

Noah's Ark (basically a reworking of the much older "Epic of Gilgamesh" makes the most sense. Yahweh supposedly gave Noah 7 days warning of the flood, just one week to collect polar bears from the North Pole, lions from Africa, spiders from South America and tigers from India and the Far East, that is assuming they all could fit in or survive in one big mythical boat.

Yahweh then created the rainbow as a sign that he would never again wipe out humanity in a global catastrophe like we're expected to believe that light behaved differently a few thousand years ago when passing through raindrops

And less i forget, the whole idea was to rid the wicked people from the world. Did it work?

What about the idea that the gods came down and fathered offsprings with human females, also found in many cultures, e.g. Hercules was the son of Zeus and Alcmena; Bacchus was the son of Jupiter and Semele

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

makes perfect sense as much as the idea that the entire world spoke a single language until Yahweh became angry at their attempt to build a skyscraper and cursed them all with different languages as well as the sun being commanded to stand still for Joshua's army to get it's killing done. This would be a great miracle to occur, if not for the fact that the sun does not move.

In my opinion people who claim that the Bible is inerrant and everything happened as stated should have their heads examined.

^^^fvck outta here with all that bullcrap

poweredcom:
@Mudley313
dont you know that most Black slaves spoke arabic, then how come,

uh huh? and where did you get that from? you see why you need to heed to my earlier advice of paying uselu a visit

i am not a muslim,

but i see you propagating islam as the black mans religion in your OP. nobody be small pikin here

but i kno that religious fanatism is bad there are bad muslims and bad so called christains these days unlike before in the earliest era,

the bolded part is a joke right? you need to read up on the inquisition, the crusades, slavery, the koran and the OT part of the bible

but I believe Malcolmx was a studious and rightful person, that could have lead Afro American back to Africa

you ever heard of liberia n how its going out there? i think most africans will like to trade places with the afro americans of today. so whats your point?

vedaxcool:
Mudley is usually best Ignored as his post are kinda loony.

smh @ this loony islamic e-fundamentalist

1. 419 (world wide renowned reputation of fraud and fraudsters)

2. Corruption (abnormally unprecedented--almost legal--corrupt practices in all spheres of life e.g politics, elections, police, soldier, student examinations etc)

3. Abject poverty in the midst of plenty

4. Overt religiosity

[quote author=GBENGA_bonetalk link=topic=487045.msg6787711#msg6787711 date=1284998813]It's awesome and in addition, the fear of GOD is very important, because if there is fear of GOD in their heart, it will be very difficult for any of the partner cheat his or her partner which may leads to wahala in that relationship, Secondly a respect for each other in relationship will further bind their love together and make it strong, and putting GOD first in what they do.[/quote]if the concept of FEAR of some god or whatever is what makes a marriage perfect, islamic marriages will be classified as no.1

poweredcom:


That good but i hope you know Moses and Jesus was never white
pls read
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-517287.0.html#msg6795174

^^^nigga stop spamming the religion section with your retarded ideologies

prophets were people who claimed the jewish deity yahweh used as intercessors to the israelites and, even in christianity, it ended in the OT. Even paul the apostle, peter the disciple and john the baptist were not even referred to or claimed to be prophets of yahweh, thus, to answer your question, any one claiming prophet in today's naija is simply a fraud

poweredcom:
@Mudley313 and @petres_007

Well I must inform you 2 that read it with deep sense, and you gonna understand what i am saying, its because you have been blind and brainwashed, i was liek you until i started doing research for myself, and with real historic books, not what the white man gave you, well Ignorance is darkness that why Africa is still in darkness, and its bad it start with in us to liberate our self, FELA TALK AM BOB MARLEY TALK AM.infact go read AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF MALCOLM X.That man was the truth the black wold needed but was destroyed by his own people with the conspiracy of the blued eyed devils,

judging from some of the bullcrap you spewed earlier on i can confidently say i am way more learned and widely read than your ignoramus wanna-be black power activist would ever be. . .i was with you about the use of religion by today's MOGs for purely personal financial growth but when you diverted into how islam, an arabian religion mostly plagiarized from stories from the jewish book of folktales, is supposed to be the black mans original religion, i lost you there and its why i advised to seek treatment from the nearest psychiatric ward closest to you as soon as possible