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OkCornel:
An apt description for someone who cannot bring one example of same sex marriage from the scriptures...

I've told you, you cant have it OkCornel. See me, see palaver ooo

openmine:
The shame is on you who has nothing to prove but keep lifting stories fabricated by your fellow SS advocates just to buttress your skewed narratives!

The apparent shame is on you for applauding an atheist whose motive was to slander the word of God and take it out of context!

The humongous shame is on you that after 30+ pages,you are still inefficaciously unable and unwilling to substantiate the postulations you make using the bible which you claim to believe in!

One thing is certain,when SHAME starts naming ITS victims,you will always be top 5 in that chart!

"This thread was opened to first and initially respond to the questions TV01 & Shepherd00 put to me,
after which it becomes a vehicle, with which to gradually deconstruct the perpetrated lies, deliberately misinterpreted bible texts,
and expose the myth that adult homosexuality/same sex union is evil and/or threatening

Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons. The time is now, if ever there is a time to rightly divided the Word of truth. It's just that the light of the truth, can be harsh to those that have been far too long in the dark"

"We can easily forgive a child, who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life, is when men are afraid of the light."
- Plato"

- by MuttleyLaff: 1:02pm On Jun 02 2019

OkCornel:
As explicit and erotic as songs of Solomon is, there is nothing in there that suggests approval of same sex relationship...

Big shame to the homosexual activists...

You're whistling and howling in the wind

OkCornel:
I've only asked for your source(s) to your interpretation of Arsenokytes and strange flesh which you've been dodging to give (that's if you have any)

No, not only source, I'll give sauce, pepper and salt with it too

OkCornel:
So after all this your long talk, you can't bring one example of same sex marriage from the scriptures?

Shame...

The best way to hide something from OkCornel, Shepherd00, openmine etcetera is to put it as a long talk or in a long post. Shame....

OkCornel:
Too much talk...

If God has nothing against homosexuality, please bring one example of same sex marriage from the scriptures.

Oh, I forgot, OkCornel, to add source, sauce and/or salt for which website, I managed to type all that, in the post from. Do you want source, sauce, pepper and/or salt, hmm?

It is only an irresponsible person that will give a loaded gun to someone not trained or worthy to hold a gun yet. No can do. You aint having them verses. Sorry, try as you may, keep on asking until your throat goes sore. Not me, not from me.

[img]https://s8/images/BeingLefthanded.jpg[/img]
Interesting how times have changed, erhn. Things are very different now than they used to be. The situation of being lefthanded, is different now, from the way it was seen as, in the past.

Some lefthanded people born that way being lefthanded, changed from no longer being lefthanded to becoming righthanded. It is obvious the reason why they changed, like societal pressure or religious pressure reasons.

When posters ask what is the reason or purpose for being gay, though there are a few reasons, this still is like asking for what purpose is there for being lefthanded. The simplest response is, it just happens. Shiit, like that just happens. On the surface we dont know why, we really dont, without looking under the bonnet, know why.

Having genuine homosexual behaviour, as in my preceded, stated clearly and in detail, in context, with respect to the circumstances I've stated, is no more abnormal than being lefthanded is. Same sex attraction is not evil, it is not doing anybody harm. Anyone, as homosexuals/lesbians, arent necessarily harming others with it, so far homosexuality is done the right way, so far the homosexuality act is not abused or misused.

Being gay is like being left handed. Just as some people are left handed, so, some people aren't. Nobody really looking at it from the surface knows why, except for, it's because we live in an imperfect world. It is not a matter of right or wrong here. It is a matter of thats just the way things are, and so it is that, there is nothing abnormal in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

Two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, is a good thing. It is further a good thing, if they are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure.

LGBTQ, doesn't mean "Lets Go Beat The Queers", doesnt mean "Let's Go Bully The Queers", doesnt mean "Let God Burn the Queers" or "Let God Burn Them Quickly" nor either does LQBT mean "Let God Burn Them"

LGBT, acronymously typifies, Let God Be Truth and and every other man a liar, because Life Gets Better Together (LGBT), the moment we realise and recognise that every human being, regardless of sexual orientation leanings, deserves a safe and supportive environment to live in and without feeling fear of being put to death, without restraint or obligation, without being bullied, being shamed, discriminated against etcetera
cc EmperorHarry

OkCornel:
Hahahaha...

Muttley...so;

1) You don't have sources to your interpretation of Arsenokytes?

2) You don't have one example of same sex marriage from the scriptures? Your latest excuse is that I am not ready for it?

.. see where we are o...

I've told you already, that my cheese is made from many cows milked at different farm dairies. I have passages on each side of the Bible, showing evidences of God not frowning at SSA relationships, unfortunately, just as I've told Shepherd00, you guys arent ready and/or havent proven yourselves worthy enough to be entrusted with that information. Sorry about that.

OkCornel:
Good to have you back...

I am here 24/7. I hadnt been away anywhere. Muted yeah, maybe because sometimes I like to stand on the touch line and be watching left right, right left and then left right again as interactions goes on. It's good doing that, so not to interfere with on going interaction and or not to be cut in crossfires

OkCornel:
So are you ready to show us one example of same sex marriage in the scriptures?

You arent ready for it. Sorry. It will be irresponsible of him to show or tell you

OkCornel:
And your sources to the interpretation of Arsenokytes?

I would love to give source(s), but I cant give you source(s), that I dont have

OkCornel:
And those who turned away from homosexuality and lesbianism after encountering Jesus, do we regard their testimonies as lies?

You seemed to have missed or didnt read the memo, maybe thinking it was a long post. In my original reply to this, I'll told you, to each their own, and something, I think in the line of, whatever floats their boats. I wish them well. Who am I to tell or say, its lies. It's not today yansh don tay for back now.

FOLYKAZE:
Is it that you can't read?

I said: According to the bible, it is wrong then to marry a man as such act doesn't lead to procreation.

Meaning in the past, the essence of sexual intercourse is procreation. Since homosexuality isn't a sexual form of procreation, people in the past conclude it is wrong.

I won sleep abeg.ola lojo

You don try. Abeggy go sleep ojaare. Bodi no bi wood, ara lo ma nfabosi. Ka sun re ooo

OkCornel:
Why not look up the dictionary and see what sodomy means?

https://www.google.com/search?q=sodomy&rlz=1C1GCEU_enNG821NG821&oq=sodomy&aqs=chrome..69i57.2415j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Or you're better than a dictionary

I will take what the Bible originally and really said what a sodomite is first, before considering any dictionary's definition of what a sodomite means. Thank you very much

FOLYKAZE:
Anus just like mouth is erotic. The breast is not designed for sex but guys dey man am and have sex through it. All these are sexual practices which is employable by happily married couples.

They all, are erogenous zones, its just as simple as that

OkCornel:

This long story of yours...and you are yet to bring your source(s) on the interpretation to Arsenokytes...

You are yet to bring from the scriptures one example of same sex marriage... that should tell you something already...

Paul made something very very clear in Romans 1 v 26-28 which also includes "consensual" homosexuality;

Romans 1 v 26-28 (AKJV)

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another[/; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
It takes a reprobate mind to defend consensual same sex relationship...which goes against nature's design!
Muttley, take note of Romans 1 v 27 where it said men left the natural use of a woman, and burned with lust "ONE TOWARD ANOTHER"...
This is clearly against consensual same sex relationship! This is should be self explanatory for someone who claims to be knowledgeable!

No wonder, I didnt know, you too, are averse to long content. It's all making sense to me now.

Read case in point #2 above, in there, I tackled Romans 1:27. This same verse, which you have miserably misunderstood, is talking of straight males whom due to financial challenges reasons and/or other things, go to prostitute themselves as temple devotees, having sex with other men, knowing fully well they really arent sexually attracted to men

OkCornel:
Oh...so you wanna tell us the anus was designed for sex? Hmmm Mr. Knowledgeable Traveller?

Yes it is, but it doesnt mean that everyone takes to it. I dont expect you would be asking for Bible verses that approves or disapproves the anus to be used for sexual pleasure enjoyment, or would you now

OkCornel:
Goodness and mercy oooo

So you are okay with sodomy? As in...you are telling us the anus was designed for sex?

Get the fact sright, a sodomite is a temple male prostitute

OkCornel:
Wow, so anal sex (which a significant majority of homosexuals engage in) doesn't hurt right?

The anus was created for sex abi? Answer this and let scientific evidence show you up...

Are lips, boobs, back of the ear, navel, bumbum created for sex, hmm? You guys dont ever cease to amaze me. I wish I had responded to those two openmine post I said if I find time that I would. If I had, you wouldnt have brought up, "is anus created for sex abi" ignoramus question. SMH. I am sorry, I didnt know you are a prude too OkCornel

OkCornel:
Per the bolded, you are here claiming homosexuality is not a sin.

Why did Paul label homosexual people as unrighteous? Stop dodging this...

1 Corinthians 6 v 9-10;
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

the Bible doesnt completely and entirely of itself, condemn homosexuality, the bible though however specifically, unambiguously and outrightly does condemn certain type or forms of homosexuality, as you'll see as follows next

1/ Case in point #1 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality is found in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. This type of homosexuality in the two aforemetioned Leviticus verses is the sort, where SSA persons are worshipping pagan fertility gods/goddess and including it with having ceremonial cum ritualistic sex with temple devotees and prostitutes. The prostitutes and their patrons/customerss use sex to worship false gods.

2/ Case in point #2 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality, similar to case #1, but an upgraded version, is found in Romans 1:18-32. The similarity with case in point #1 above, is obvious, as it's clear to see that Romans 1:24, 26 & 27, are a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. It is the same old, same old of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 reappearing again on but with a vengeance on the Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 scene. It is the familiar then Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 male prostituting happening and thriving in the city of Rome there, and women have joined gang in it too

3/ Case in point #3 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in Deuteronomy 23:17-18 and 1 Kings 14:24. It has a similarity with case in points #1 and #2 above as it is about the Hebrew word "qadesh" or a sodomite. The terms "qadesh" or a sodomite are the original and true biblical words for describing a temple devotee SSA male prostitute. An example of the female equivalent "qedeshah" (i.e. female temple prostitute) can be found in Genesis 38:21. The word sodomite, means "qadesh" as in a shrine male prostitute and must importantly be noted that it has no and never had any correlation with the city Sodom nor Sodom and Gomorrah

4/ Case in point #4 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in 1 Timothy 1:10. This too has similarities with case in points #1, #2 and #3 above, as it talks about SSA acts using Greek terms "porneia" and "arsenokoites".

The term "porneia" is Greek and means a person who has dealings with prostitutes whereas term "arsenokoites" is also a Greek word, but was formulated by Apostle Paul from two words. Paul actually ignored 17 already existing words identified with SSA men to invent this new word "arsenokoites" he created from using two words, namely "arseno- or arsen- ," (i.e. arseno means man) used in the singular and then used "koites", (i.e. koites means beds), and used in plural. The "arsenokoites" term usage is not really a reflection of any Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled" because its like you going far-fetched with that, but it actually is used in context of the epidemic and endemic practice of male temple prostitutes offering ritual sex services, and the literal hopping from one patron's bed to another patron's bed practice, hence why and how Paul constructed the man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites).

In a way of recapping the story so far, in all this homosexuality done wrongly and condemned, porneia has to do with the run-of-the-mill prostituting, and arsenokoites though has to do with prostituting, as well as, it in the sense of it, is a male sleeping around, having casual sex and/or having multiple partners, hopping from one bed to another bed

It is glaring, except if in denial, and this now, is talking of certain posters on this thread, the likes of TV01 in particular, then Shepherd00, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, alBHAGDADI etcetera, what the true and original meaning of "porneia" and Paul's "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and and 1 Corinthians 6:9 is, before each were being translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons. They even lied and translated "qadesh" and/or a sodomite too, mentioned above, to in every respect, mean an ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act.

5/ Case in point #5 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is also found in 1 Corinthians 6:9. Here, its the sort of "homosexual" or homosexual act talked about using Greek terms "porneia", "malakoi/malakos" and "arsenokoites" and used in that order. We are already from case in points #4 familiar with the term "porneia" or "arsenokoites" and their true and original meanings. Now as for "malakoi/malakos", in the first century had its original meaning to be an effeminate man who pretties himself with daily shaving of the face, using makeup, face powdered up, hair coloring, putting on jewelleries, fancy clothing on and all tarted up to attract male & female customer with whom to have sex. This term too "malakoi/malakos", until snatched by the church, never was meant a term as used by christians, to demonise, discriminate and persecute ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act with.

All SSA people are "homosexual/lesbian" or indulge in SSA sexual act, but not all SSA people are into "porneia", are "arsenokoites", a "qadesh/qedeshah", "malakoi/malakos" or are a "sodomite" but you watch as my brethren/sisters, as they, either think little of all this, ignore this, gloss over it and/or make these facts I've made known, seem not important, significant nor interesting. The church, in this regard has proven herself to be a serial liar in regards to the true and actual meanings of those terms or words.

I am sure all, are fully aware this thread was not opened or created to solicit anyone's support for or against homosexuality. As a matter of fact, the object of the whole exercise and activity on the thread is towards "Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union"

The Bible in Luke 14:31, states that:""Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?. I knew this was going to be a tall order, be a Herculean and/or arduous task. I knew it'll be a marathon because just like in earlier quoted Luke 14:31, I have sat to think it all entirely all over. I knew I will have to bide my time, will need to smoke people out, draw them out into the open, then either snatch hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to evade capture or try to escape. Going for the jugular, would be my last resort.

As you can see, the thread is 24 pages and still counting, because these guys are as slippery as eel. They avoid what the thread is all about, as in, the desconstructing aspect. They are trying every single trick in their bag of tricks, they derail the thread from its subject heading title, ask questions I previously have responded to or answered. They go on tangents, by suddenly start talking about a completely thing that has nothing to do with the thread's subject heading title. They dodge my questions, like, what is the evil in same sex attraction, what is the reason, God said it's an abomination indulging in certain types of same sex attraction acts, why did God, say he desists it, what is wrong or bad in this particular sort of same sex attraction acts etcetera, they just abandon, pick race and run off without responding to any of those questions. They do every possible thing to distract, frustrate and even try to dominate the thread with their whims and caprices, but I dont really mind, because I know that, "Efry day, efry day, monkey go leave home, go about hin usual monkey monkey business market, but one day, one day, just one single day, hin go go, but this time, no go return back."

Let me say this for the record. I know a defeated warrior when I see one and as I know myself and also know my capabilities, I have no need, to fear the result of a hundred battles. I don't want blow my horn, but I am really excellently and better qualified than anyone yet shown up on this thread, in putting the record straight, in order to make the true facts about the lies known.

With this thread, I should be able to reassure the concerned, remove their doubts and fears that having sexual feelings towards the same sex is a sin and to tell the truth that God NEVER and anywhere in the Bible say homosexuality, in itself is a sin, nor does God hate same sex attraction couples, this means, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that christians/muslims/atheists have accustomed to see ordinarily as homosexuals, but they really are caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing.

FOLYKAZE:
You are the one that is economical with truth.

I have argued that homosexuality is unnatural as it is not a sexual form of procreation. It doesn't mean it is a sin.

Homosexuality is unnatural to you, to me and to any other applicable to, homosexuality however is natural to same sex attraction people

FOLYKAZE:
I have defined what a sin is.

The Definition of Sin

1849 Sin is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience; it is failure in genuine love for God and neighbor caused by a perverse attachment to certain goods. It wounds the nature of man and injures human solidarity. It has been defined as "an utterance, a deed, or a desire contrary to the eternal law."121
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P6A.HTM#$21C

Homosexuality doesn't hurt or cause pain to anyone, hence it isn't a sin

FOLYKAZE, you're coasting very beautifully well, just a bit a slight tweak though, as I can't afford to see you slip up like this again, which is about instead to use homosexuality per se. It doesn't hurt or cause pain to anyone, it is specific homosexuality acts that are a sin.

Some of such bad, evil and wrong homosexuality acts can be found at this link>>> https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/24#79586669

FOLYKAZE:
Don't want to join in this homo discussion. I have read through some pages, and will like to ask you a pertinent question.

Homosexuality as defined by you is ' unnatural desire of a man burning with desire and lust for a fellow man'.

If the definition above is correct, does that mean you are equating Angel (spirit) to Man (flesh)?

Phew! Sigh of relief. The voice of reason has stepped in

FOLYKAZE:
Don't take offense in my question, the discussion presently is centred on 'going after strange flesh...',
Has an angel ever been flesh?

My understanding of what about Angel is that they are heavenly beings devoid of blood and flesh.

Wait until someone jumps on here to come and tell you that, angels found human beings women irresistibly beautiful, that they impregnated these women and made them their wives etcetera. They will even quote same Jude for you on it. SMH. Let's see amongst the posters will dare come on this thread, to talk that nonsense. You have been forewarned about them FOLYKAZE.

FOLYKAZE:
The natural system and feature of a man cannot be found in them, hence they cannot be referred or categorised with men. At such, Angel doesn't fit into definition of homosexuality (sexual desire of man to another man).

Yeepa! Somebody please give this man the house' best and the most chilled bottle of orijin please. Foly Baba! Atten-shun! I salute. Yeba Yeba, Yebariba, Samboribobo. I hail. Thank you. thank you, thank very much.

FOLYKAZE:
Also, Angel are not flesh and cannot be categorised under 'strange flesh'.

Ah-ah, why did you have to come spoil everything with this your last sentence comment now hmm? Next time quit while you're still ahead and don't be trying to improve on something that you've already well said and put

FOLYKAZE, as you continue reading, you''ll find out that angels are categorised, as an example under "strange flesh". This by Jude, who happened to be our Lord, Jesus Christ's half-brother. This means that, Jude should then, know what he is talking about

FOLYKAZE:
You may have another angle to Angel been men or flesh, and will appreciate if you can present it.

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
- Jude 7 KJV

FOLYKAZE, your wish is my command. I am treating your desire as a command. Straight away, I will begin presenting that which you request to know about. I will make the wish happen and come true

The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to gang rape two "men," but what the men of Sodom and Gomorrah, didnt know, was that the two "men" werent human beings, men, they actually were angels, that had the appearance of looking like human being males or men. They are different, they are beings, another of a different quality and kind.

Now watch this, in Jude 7 above that, what Jude expressed complete disapproval of, is human beings men having sex with or better still, human beings men attempting to have sex with angels. Please carefully observe and notice that, Jude does not make mention nor condemn homosexuals, lesbians and whatnots, in that scripture. Doesnt this piece of observation arouse your interest, doesnt this finding hold your breath or catch your attention, hmm?. Wait, it gets better than this, as we go on. Meanwhile, christians/believers, brethren and sisters alike, regularly, as already has been evident on this thread so far, use this verse to argue that Jude 7 is finding fault(s) with SSA persons

FOLYKAZE, grab a chair, make sure you sit down comfortably before reading what is going to be interesting and thats coming up next. We are going to deconstruct the phrase "strange flesh"

Jude used two Greek words "sarx/sarkos" and "heteras/heteros" translated as "strange flesh" in English. The first word is self explanatory. In English, its translated as flesh

The interesting thing here, is that Jude by deliberate choice, used the Greek word, "heteras/heteros", which means "different", in that verse. By the way and fyi, it is from this same Greek word, "heteras/heteros" that the familiar English word, heterosexual, originates from.

Now, as I was saying, Jude used the Greek word, "heteras/heteros", which means "different", instead of using the Greek word, "homoios/homos", which means "same or similar" Another important fyi here, is that the Greek word, "homoios/homos", is from how we got another familiar English word, homosexual (i.e. of the same sex)

The deliberate choice and use of that particular and certain "heteras/heteros" Greek word, shows that the Jude 7 verse, had nothing whatsover, to do with human beings of any sort nor homosexuality. This is incontrovertible and certain because the sin that Jude highlighted and expressed a complete disapproval of, is that of human beings men attempting to have sex with angels. The sin was attempting to have sex with someone/something has different "flesh". The "flesh" is "heteras/heteros". The men of Sodom and Gomorrah lusted after another of a different quality. This essentially and somewhat technically, is beastiality on steroids. According to the story in Genesis 19:4-5, 100% of the males of Sodom and Gomorrah, both young and old, surrounded the house and called out, wanting to gang rape the angels, wanted to have unconsenting carnal knowledge of strange flesh. Note FOLYKAZE, not, human beings men flesh but "sarx/sarkos" and "heteras/heteros"

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/24#79586669
You can look at the above URL link about the different types of homosexuality acts that are sin and disapproved of, in the Bible. The Bible doesnt completely and entirely of itself, condemn homosexuality, the bible though however specifically, unambiguously and outrightly does condemn certain type or forms of homosexuality, and these are presented as 5 "Case in points"
cc EmperorHarry

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff is totally lost.

Don't mind that covetous OkCornel, he is lusting after the small glory I gave you. He wants to be cojoined in the shine, even when he can see that I still asked you to give me Lot's reason for refusing the attempting gang raping. He is jealous because I was generous with you than him. Shepherd00, fyi, Lot gave a reason for the wickedness and for refusing them. What did Lot say, what was the reason he gave for the refusal, aside the obvious wickedness.

OkCornel:
Muttley, muttley, muttley. I have told you what going after strange flesh is. The unnatural desire for a man to lust after a fellow man and have sex with him.

Strange flesh in this context i.e. unnatural desire of a man burning with desire and lust for a fellow man

Thank you so very much. I have obtained what I needed. Thanks again.

Hmmm, smh, very very interesting that strange flesh according to OkCornel, is unnatural desire for aan to lust after a fellow man and have sex with him. Not only that but that is meaning in the context that Jude used too, I believe OkCornel is saying too. "O pari" as in End of film.

Just sit down and lean back, I'll tell you what strange flesh really and correctly is plus what it isn't OkCornel.

Shepherd00:
But what did Lot say to the homosexuals?

Did he say 'Guys, guys, I know that this thing is okay if you ask my visitors nicely, but dis one wey na by force una want take do am, E no wise nah?

was that what Lot said? No.

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, and said, I pray you, brethren, do not so ~~~wickedly~~~.

So, the Act of homosexuality is wickedness.

I am beginning to, in a small way that has increasing potential, warm towards you Shepherd00. Do you know why? You are now starting to think outside the box and broadly too.

I like your version of events. Good guessing but the conjecture is off the chart and that is why you quickly agreed with saying No, at the end of it. Well done.

You are right though that homosexuality is wicked, but what type or sort of wicked homosexuality was Lot referring to. Also you've just joined in today and so wouldn't know about the question I ask OkCornel and openmine earlier. Let me personally ask you, the others have flatly been evasive.

Shepherd00, what was the reason Lot gave, aside wickedness, for refusing the men the desire to gang rape the "men", we know they are angel?. Thank you. I know I can count on you for a good, correct and meaningful answer.

openmine:


Once again you spew so much trash like a mollycoddle teen with little or no self-worth!
Your obtuse and fortuitous expressions will always leave a trail of gibberish which you will eventually deny!
Well what can one expect from a supposed grown-up acting like an infant?

Kid i have commitments in the real world!
Don't expect me to remain glued to my screen ad infinitum like you to deliberate on issues that have long been concluded even before it started!
I had given you a befitting reply which you dodged as if it was an explosion...
The day you goof scandalously and horrendously was when you mindlessly forced yourself to present a scripture in 1 john 4:16 as proof of God endorsing homosexuality!

You are now trying in-efficaciously to imply that 'lot' has now become God's prophet or mouth-piece?
My prevaricating kiddo,grow up...!

Who is kid, kiddo to you, "abi oofe dagba ni", you better watch, wash and disinfect your mouth, alakori suegbe oshi. Pesin dem teach for home, wey no gree take home training. Mtchew!.

OkCornel:
Ogbeni, stop beating around the bush and paste your sources here...

Abi you don't even have any source to back up your interpretation of Arsenokytes? Put up one of those cows you've been milking na...

And for the umpteenth time, here is Muttley shamelessly asking the same question I have answered repeatedly, but still cannot see nor understand...so much for Mr. knowledgeable traveller;

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/26#79656710

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/26#79658138

Oya, ask the same question again...artful dodger... meanwhile, we are all still awaiting your answers to my questions;

1) When will Muttley provide one example of same sex marriage in the scriptures that can encourage homosexuality in the church?

2) What does Muttley make of those who turned away from homsexuality/lesbianism after encountering Jesus? Are their testimonies lies?

3) Why would Lot offer up his virgin daughters to be raped, rather than being a party to a legion of old and young men who wanted to pursue their unnatural desires (going after strange flesh) i.e the male visitors in Lot's house?

Cc: Openmine, TV01

I know people can be slippery as eels. I need to get hold of you by the collar, wrist or trousers, so you won't have any chance of wriggling away to escape me holding and pinning you down. Are you equating strange flesh to be anything else other than being only angels or you equate it to be both for angels and human beings, hmm? Now do you understand why I've been asking for that precious example, hmm, from you?

OkCornel:
I'm sure you weren't blind to what I posted a few minutes ago...

You "deconstructed" arsenokoites without pasting the source behind your interpretation.

What exactly are you scared of? Being exposed for your flawed interpretation?

You are behaving like an ignorant customer asking the shop cashier to tell him which cow the pint of milk, he's bought, was obtained from. This is hilarious, and I am literally just laughing out loud thinking of the whole scene. Look at him asking for source behind what is obvious. You think I milk only one, two, three or four cows before making cheese. Cheese making doesn't work like that matey. Ask TV01, he'll you that you've goofed, and goofed big time.

Now, in your own words, not a third party website sign posting shenanigan again, please give me your best and perfect example what "strange flesh" is, as used in the context Jude made use of the phrase. Thank you.

OkCornel:
Oh my goodness, so you have amassed a variety and huge amount of wealth of knowledge and information, but you are here struggling to give one example of same sex marriage in the scriptures that can serve as example for believers!

Knowledgeable Muttley, please provide everyone following this thread with one example of same sex marriage in the scriptures that can serve as an example!

Even an erotic poem like Songs of Solomon clearly has no place for same sex relationship!

Smh, you've been deliberately blind to an example I just put to you.

Going after strange flesh in this context means pursuing unnatural desires. Lusting after same sex is the perfect example here. The sodomites going after those Angels to sleep with them.

Notice how Jude separated this from fornication (aka porneia).

If you repeat this very question, then you are proving beyond a reasonable doubt that you are bereft of understanding...

Give me the perfect example what strange flesh in that context means. Here is your opportunity to fame, a chance for you to shine or flop. Let's see what's in those brown cells of yours and not some third parties other.

Do a search above, on this page, using the string "Muttleylaff Case Points" towards the bottom half of the pulled up search results, you will find a reference to one of my posts detailing types of homosexuality featured as Case point #1 to Case point #5. I think it's case point #4, is where I deconstructed arsenokoites. Now run along like a good nice bwoy, and get to work on that. Let me know how you get on. You can thank me later, OK?

OkCornel:
If you weren't blind, homosexuality is an abomination right there in those verse, and Lot would not consent to that.

Did you even bother asking yourself why he offered his virgin daughters to be raped? rather than the angels or any other servants (particulary male servants) he had...

In addition to the above, share with us your exact source(s) to your interpretation of arsenokytes...

OkCornel, I visit many dairies, milk many cows and then make cheese. I make cheese myself from milk obtained several cows from many dairies. I don't keep tabs on dairies I've visited Mr OkCornel.

Don't mind if I am blind or not, if Lot knew it was an abomination men sexing men, then please OkCornel, what was the reason he gave for denying and refusing the men of Sodom and Gomorrah have sex with these two other "men" hmmm?

Dance around the question and the earlier other two for as long as you want. Notice how openmine, has left you, all by yourself, to deal with the question. He has dropped it like it's too hot for him. Scaredy cat. I thought you guys said you had time for me today. I told youse, I'll knock your heads together

OkCornel:
Ogbeni, post your source to how you interpreted Arsenokytes. Abi you are ashamed you copied it from a gay site as TV01 earlier claimed?

Muttley, my understanding of strange flesh aligns perfectly with the link I pasted earlier.

Infact, what transpired in Genesis 19 where the Sodomites went after the Angels is a perfect example of desiring after strange flesh.

Note, it was not called fornication or rape.

You've just made me know you are a confirmed and bonafide learner. Let me tell you Mr OkCornel I travel a lot and it's from the intensity of my travels, that I have amassed a variety and huge amount of wealth of knowledge and information, of course with the aid of my Teacher, nudging and egging me on in the right directions. You aren't as knowledgeable as you think you are, this is why you have to descend to making these low tree hanging accusations that I copied from a gay site. You even incorrectly lumped TV01 into all this. SMH, I thought you have substance. How I have misjudged.

Just tell me in a few words, your words what your understanding of strange flesh in the context it was used, has become JAMB exam to you. Na wa ooo.

OkCornel:
Muttley, you don't have to tell lies here. On more than one occassion, I answered the query you brought up concerning Lot;

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/26#79651815

Now stop dodging and answer my questions...

Don't hide behind scripture verse, tell me outright and plainly what reason Lot gave, and tell me in your own words. Why can't you do that, follow simple instructions, hmm?

OkCornel:
Yes Muttley, I am very much interested in where exactly you got your interpretation to the meaning of this greek word ἀρσενοκοίταις Arsenokytes.

Put the source here for everyone to see..

I have put the meaning of what strange flesh is. But you waved it off as sign posting.

Now, share with us your source to the interpretation of Arsenokytes.

Cc: Openmine, TV01

Yes I sniffed my nose at it because I am not interested in third parties regurgitates. Tell me from your own undestanding, from what you know in your head by yourself, what strange flesh is. You should be able to put a few words together without sign posting me to website excerpts OkCornel. It can't be that hard or difficult not to or is it?

OkCornel:
Muttleylaff, how far... no response to this?

Don't be telling or asking me, how far, when you haven't given me the reason why Lot refused those men gang rape the angels. I would have expected him to tell them outright that God disapproves men sexing men. Of course, he didn't say or do that, so what other better or best reason did he give them OkCornel. That was question #1, don't forget or skip the other two, questions #2 and #3, OK OkCornel?

OkCornel:
OH MY, SO ARE YOU TELLING US PAUL OR JUDE DID NOT EXPLICITLY DISAPPROVE OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT? DID YOU TURN A BLIND EYE TO THIS?

Now let us start with the Greek Bible;

I Timothy 1 v 10 (SBL Greek New Testament);
10 πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, ἀνδραποδισταῖς, ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1&version=SBLGNT

1 Timothy 1 v 10 (kjv)
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine

Now let us translate this word ἀρσενοκοίταις into what it truly means;

1) Arsenokytes
2) Arsenocitis

ἀρσενοκοίτης • (arsenokoítēs) m (genitive ἀρσενοκοίτου); first declension

man who engages in sexual activity with other males, homosexual, sodomite
specifically, the active (penetrating) partner in male homosexual activity, as opposed to the passive partner

Antonym: μαλακός (malakós)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CF%81%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82

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Yes, I am saying that Paul and Jude, did not explicitly disapprove of homosexuality per se. Did you at all read the 5 case in points post at all I messaged to EmperorHarry, hmm? Do you want a link to it, so you can refreshen yourself because you'll see from it how you've misunderstood Paul. As for Jude, he castigated the men for doing what OkCornel? For going after strange flesh. Please tell me what you understand strange flesh in that context means, hmm? Let's find out who needs glasses between you and I. Find out who really is blind

openmine:
whatever rock your shaky boat!

Thank you for the understanding. I am sure you too have your own fair share of idiosyncrasies, like I do, that floats my boat.

^^^^
I wasn't and never what questioning you on tithing because I already know your position is same as mine, all I am saying, is that you and I, are unable to bring up scripture of God explicitly disapproving ecclesiastical or obligatory tithing. Now anyone who is using that line of questioning type is merely just messing about if not ignorant. There are some type of questioning there isn't any point bothering to pursue because they are DOA.

I am pleased this is the end of the matter OkCornel.

openmine:
Like i said your utterances define you!

That's right, like I am not scared to die or afraid of the mention of death. That is a very good definition from others similar to those, that I define myself with.

OkCornel:
The tithe issue was closed, but you were the who resurrected it here.
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/25#79647442

I didn't resurrect anything. What I did was give you the background and origin of the hypocrisy you asked me about

openmine:
I knew that a kid was behind that keyboard!
Your unguided utterances are so explicit!

There is quite a lot you really and at all dont know my dear. No, no, not unguided, but deliberate because the explicitness isnt to be taken literally. You see the difference between you and I, is that I am not afraid, not afraid to die. I am not afraid of death