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Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 10:51am On Jun 25, 2019
openmine:
I see it!
smiley smiley
Nice One bro!
It's only an olodo rapata upon twenty, that will raise hand up in classroom, be grinning with thumbs up and be saying, I see it

Today, today, if una no be careful, na die, las las for both una
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 10:49am On Jun 25, 2019
OkCornel:
What are you driving at? That this is not the point I've been making against tithing currently practiced in the church on every thread I have discussed regarding tithing?

Ogbeni, your diversion strategy is not working. The tithing issue has been squashed here.

If you disagree, bring examples of Christians that tithed in the Bible and close out this case.

Better still, you can tell us when tithing started in the church... (Synod of Macon should ring a bell that tithing was not practiced in the early church)

Million dollar question is... why was Lot willing to allow his virgin daughters be raped, rather than the angels or any of his male servants?

Genesis 19 v 8;
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Remind me, what was that unnatural desire spoken of in Jude 7

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


and going after strange flesh;
or "other flesh"; meaning not other women besides their own wives, but men; and designs that detestable and unnatural sin, which, from these people, is called sodomy to this day; and which is an exceeding great sin, contrary to the light of nature and law of God, dishonourable to human nature, and scandalous to a nation and people, and commonly prevails where idolatry and infidelity do, as among the Papists and Mahometans; and arose from idleness and fulness of bread in Sodom, and was committed in the sight of God, with great impudence: their punishment follows.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/jude-1-7.html
What is your problem erhn? I've told you several times the tithe mention is closed. For crying out loud stop mentioning or referring to it anymore.

Now will you answer the three flipping questions and stop sign posting me other people's websites. I am interested is what's originally formulated in your own head not any third parties. Mr man what is the reason please, at least Lot is a good candidate for someone who will very know whether or not God approves of men sexing men. So Mr OkCornel let's hear from you, what and all Lot said, when faced with men planning to have sex with angels, that visited him, who appeared looking like human being males, hmm?

What reason did he give for refusing the men of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah from having carnal knowledge with these two "men"?
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 10:40am On Jun 25, 2019
OkCornel:
Now let us start with the Greek Bible;

I Timothy 1 v 10 (SBL Greek New Testament);
10 πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, ἀνδραποδισταῖς, ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1&version=SBLGNT

Let us translate this word ἀρσενοκοίταιςinto what it truly means;

1) Arsenokytes
2) Arsenocitis

ἀρσενοκοίτης • (arsenokoítēs) m (genitive ἀρσενοκοίτου); first declension

man who engages in sexual activity with other males, homosexual, sodomite
specifically, the active (penetrating) partner in male homosexual activity, as opposed to the passive partner


Antonym: μαλακός (malakós)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CF%81%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82

The picture below explains it better.

Cc: Openmine, TV01

Let's see how Muttleylaff will tell us Paul was not talking against homosexuality here...
SMH at you and of course you know why I did that
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 10:10am On Jun 25, 2019
OkCornel:
I guess Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 and Acts 15 were extracted from the Koran isn't it?

Besides, the main matter on ground is tithing in a manner not consistent with how God specified it should be done.

Or does your Bible suddenly support monetary tithing practiced in the church today?
Are you thick or what? Where in Deuteronomy 14:22-29 or Acts 15, do you see God approving or disapproving tithing, hmm?

Oh oh, its not a matter of how God specified it, is it now? You see what I mean by, dont try that line of questioning type with me now? It wouldnt wash with you, same way, it isnt going to with me too. Now bringing it up, like I've advised you not to. I have moved on from it. This is my last call.

OkCornel:
Story for the gods...

If God truly sees nothing untoward a same sex relationship, why haven't you provided one example of a same sex marriage approved by God in the Old or New Testament... or from the Apocrypha and other early church writings?
Oya, try these three direct, simple and easy for size questions about the scriptures then to see if or not If God truly sees anything untoward a same sex relationship or men sexing men. Dont ignore them, no excuses and dont do an AWOL

1/ What was the reason given by Lot, for refusing and/or not allowing those wicked and cruel men of Sodom and Gomorrah have gay sex with the angels when they attempted gang raping the angels who had an appearance of human beings, as in, men?
2/ Did Lot say: "Oh no, please you cant dont that. No, men sexing men? Haba guys, God doesnt want men sexing men nau, abeggy dont do that. Shoo! shoo!!. Go away please, ẹ dakun, ẹ jọr. Ẹma ko ba mi. Please I beg you, dont get me into trouble", hmm?
3/ You would expect Lot to say to the guys that God doesnt approve of men sexing men, so they shouldnt consider doing it with these angels, wouldnt you openmine, hmm?
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 9:59am On Jun 25, 2019
openmine:
grin grin
Why are you so predictable Muttleylaff?
You question is in no way related to the issue at hand!
More like a diversion that can only be done by a prevaricator!
I don't need evasive questions!
We all need answers!
You said you would provide FACTS AND KNOWLEDGE to buttress your claim about God seeing nothing untoward about homosexual acts!
You are the owner of the thread, we are the ones that should be asking the question!
No more prevarication Muttleylaff grin grin
Shouldnt Lot be in a better position and know any better whether or not God approves men sexing men, hmm openmine? Its no diversion nor is it evasive, why cant you just admit that the question big pass you. You are right that I opened this thread up, so that means the buck starts and ends with me, not you the contributors. I have last say what goes or doesnt on the thread. If you dont like that, exit door is over there. and do a vamoose "alọrami rami"

openmine:
Well unlike you, I respect people's opinion of being left out from a conversation esp when they are constantly insisting on it!
But you are so determined to display the puerile side of you! Pathetic!
Maturity is not by age ohh Muttleylaff!
Respect is earned and deserved, not demanded or dished out just like that
No one said maturity is by age. "Agbaya" just cant be contained at times, especially for people that deserve getting "agbaya" treatment given to.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 9:45am On Jun 25, 2019
OkCornel:
[s]Since you want to bring up the subject matter of tithing, then let's deal with it once and for all here.

1) The matter under contention is not whether tithing should be discontinued, but why pro-tithers are not tithing the way God specified it to be done. It is very obvious you are also against obligatory monetary tithing which runs contrary to the specific instructions God gave on how tithing should be done in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29

2) Do you remember the early church controversy on the Mosaic Law and the council set up per Acts 15? Tithing (not monetary tithing) was never binding on the gentile Christians.

3) There is no Levitical Priesthood, who then are the Levites entitled to tithes today?

Tithing was never abolished outrightly. But the conditions under which God laid it out to be done is currently impossible to follow.

In place of tithing, there is freewill giving which is not limited by those conditions. The early church practiced that, and that is what the church ought to follow.[/s]

[s]But if you or alBHAGDADI disagrees, you can counter me by showing a few Christians (especially those of non-Jewish origin) that tithed in the Scriptures.

I have also questioned alBH.AGDADI in this manner, and you liked it. Why are you complaining now? Are the questions too hard to answer?[/s]

Let's get on with the discussions today shall we?
When alBH.AGDADI questioned you back in that manner, did you give the Bible verse he was asking from you, huh. I dont think you'll say you did

OkCornel:
I hope you won't run away from my questions this time around...
You are going to use small hands, get smacked back with big and bigger hands
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 9:14am On Jun 25, 2019
openmine:
I do hope you know the highlighted MUST be closely accompanied by SCRIPTURES and not your digressive and ponderous posts with little or no trajectory!
As long as this issue pertains the scriptures, you are already on a nose-dive!
However, am waiting to be 'stunned' by you dishing out of scriptures to prove 'God sees nothing untoward about homosexual deeds' AS USUAL grin
"O tun ni dan iru ẹ, eleyi wo mọ" Oya, try these three direct, simple and easy for size and be stunned questions about the scriptures then openmine:

1/ What was the reason given by Lot, for refusing and/or not allowing those wicked and cruel men of Sodom and Gomorrah have gay sex with the angels when they attempted gang raping the angels who had an appearance of human beings, as in, men?
2/ Did Lot say: "Oh no, please you cant dont that. No, men sexing men? Haba guys, God doesnt want men sexing men nau, abeggy dont do that. Shoo! shoo!!. Go away please, ẹ dakun, ẹ jọr. Ẹma ko ba mi. Please I beg you, dont get me into trouble", hmm?
3/ You would expect Lot to say to the guys that God doesnt approve of men sexing men, so they shouldnt consider doing it with these angels, wouldnt you openmine, hmm?

Watch, as the usual other posters like OkCornel, that I am even seeing now below, reading this page, dive for cover, burying heads in sand

openmine:
When you call out someone who has reminded you of not being mentioned, be prepared to face the person rather than allow me take the fall for it!
You don't need to mention the person....Quit this puerile games! sad sad
You dont seem to get it sha openmine. I said I am not afraid of anyone, unlike you, to mention anybaga, especially whenever, if and when I choose to do so. No one has a moniker copyrighted on Nairaland, to be laying down rules on them. I can mention monikers, as many times as I feel like, especially if I am not scared of who uses what moniker ID. Let whoever is aggrieved they are mentioned, come beat me at my house. I'll pay the taxi fare, to my home and return.

Its really isnt puerile games, its the "agbaya" in me manifesting on you. That's me being real with you, by telling you that truth.
cc EmperorHarry
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
OkCornel:
Which hypocrisy are you speaking of Muttley?

That I avoid questions or what?
This is a different page in a closed chapter. New chapter has been created and we are on a new and current page on that new chapter OkCornel. Give that one up please OkCornel

OkCornel:
I'm sure if you had links to the threads to back up your assertion, you would have put them here.
Have you yet provided alBHAGDADI with Bible verse(s) where God has discontinued tithing or disapproved tithing? I rest my case and that's the last time I'll be talking about your hypocrisy of trying to play that line of questioning type or sort with me. You can try continue or bring it up again, but be reset assured its a brick wall you're talking to if you do

Since openmine couldnt be bothered to answer back, which isnt unsual. How about you then OkCornel. Do you remember Ted Haggard? Do you remember the depth of his hypocrisy? Him being cold dead hypocrite in every way? Preaching vile hatred against gays, I guess was preaching to himself, knowing fully well he is one? Well, like I said to openmine, I dont disagree with you, as we agree to disagree, however I reserve my right to disagree with your hypocrisy, which I've made clear above what that is. We've crossed that bridge, please permit it to be water under the bridge, let it go. It is the past and consequently no longer to be regarded as important to be brought up again and again and again.

OkCornel:
Anyways, back to the matter of homosexuality, expect my updates later today...
This is more like it. I thought it was TV01 who's the man on this thread, but it seems it's you who is the "The Biggie Man"

openmine:
A pot calling a kettle black! cheesy
You got it wrong as usual and its not surprising. You are the black pot cum kettle called snow black

openmine:
Bring it on Muttleylaff!
I have your time today!
Two posters, OkCornel and openmine raring to get shocked when confronted with more facts, some knowledge, education, questions and fyis. Two for the price of one. Must be one of my usual lucky and blessed days. Maybe I should play the national lottery. You aint going to win it, if not in it, some say. I am going to knock their heads together. Dem una both, don buy market.

openmine:
Was thinking of chilling from this thread based on an advise from a participant whom you annoyed but for you, i will take an exception after this latest comment!!
While complying your host of debris, dont forget to insert scriptures while making your ridiculous claims!
Am fully waiting and ready! tongue
Oh would it be the same participant, who was that annoyed at you, was asking you, how old sef are you, hmm?

Would it be the same participant, who said to you:
"In 807 posts on 28 pages you have spent your own time talking about poo debating where to put it and according to who, do you think it says something about you" hmm?

Is it the same participant who doesn't know that, what one man sees as poo, is what another man sees as potpourri and treasure erhn. Is it the same participant, who doesnt realise that poo that he is indifferent to, sooner or later finds its way to back to discomfortably haunt him. You try holding poo in, say for 3 days long and with a straight face, then you'll know what I am talking of.

The same budaatum hmm, who doesnt know that I will be debating poo, as long as there exists consenting SSA adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part relationship that are being bullied, beaten, shamed, abandoned, rejected, scared for their lives, put to death etcetera. It is a fundamental human rights issue and will do with debating. It says a lot about kindness, justice and compassion to your neighbour, your fellow human being.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 6:08am On Jun 25, 2019
openmine:
Shey you are the one that called this buda's name and now he thinks I did!
Why do you like bringing problems for others?
I am not scared of nobody, I am scared of no man, so I helped called out his name, for sake of any wondering who you're refering, since you chickenly couldnt bring yourself to outrightly ention his moniker ID

openmine:
As per bro Okcornel,
why must you have issues with someone who disagrees with you?
Is it compulsory that one must always agree with you?

Mopol kor batallion ni tongue tongue
openmine, do you remember Ted Haggard? Do you remember the depth of his hypocrisy? Being cold dead hypocrite in every way? Preaching vile hatred against gays, I guess was preaching to himself, knowing fully well he is one? Well, like I've said, I dont disagree with OkCornel, we agree to disagree, however I reserve my right to disagree with his hypocrisy, which I've made clear what that is.

Shepherd00:
I think say na only me see am. And watch carefully, his disciple doesn't subscribe to the dictates of the Bible.
1/ https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/24#79630518
2/ https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/24#79631067

I'll try and get time to response to those two above openmine URL link posts. I have never seen an elephant fly but two post took the biscuit. He was writing like he was trying to cram too much rubbish into a bin bag, like trying to get huge bags of rubbish quashed into a rubbish bin. Instead of him to read more, do the research, he wouldnt and didnt, so opened himself to displaying such ignorance and embarrassing himself by just talking and typing off the top of his head

I thought openmine was only a prude, didnt realise it gets better, he lives a sheltered bubble life. His above #1 post, I am to response to just proves it

Shepherd00:
I wonder why not even one Bible believing Christian will see the light Muttley has seen.
Do you know who Jimmy Carter is. You would know Archbishop Desmond Tutu sha though, if not former POTUS Jimmy Carter

Shepherd00:
You have no idea.
You really think EmperorHarry doesnt

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, you are possessed by a demon of Perversion to comfortably see nothing wrong with the picture you posted and say there's nothing bad with two men having sex

You are sick.
That must be your twin brother in the picture, since you have vast knowledge and understanding more than I do concerning what is perversion and know more than I do on the badness of two men having sex together, please tell, what exactly, as in, what specifically is bad in two consenting males, adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part relationship bad and why particularly, you see their sexual behaviour considered evil, abnormal and unacceptable?

Shepherd00:
I'm glad that people are reading.
Ditto here too

HappyPagan:
26 pages of heterosexual men discussing homosexuality.... grin grin grin
The fundamental issue here is that there’s a competition of strong and aggressive masculine pride going on
Celebrities › Re: Tosin Odufa Claims He Is The Man That Asked Wole Soyinka To Get Up From His Seat by MuttleyLaff:
unclexofficial:
Tosin Odufa, a Nigerian media personality has disclosed that he is the young man that told Prof. Wole Soyinka to get up from his airplane seat. 

Recall that the incident sparked controversy, after APC Gubernatorial candidate in Rivers State and business executive, Tonye Cole claimed that the young man disrespected the Nobel Laureate. However Tosin Odufa who claimed he is the young man that told Wole Soyinka to get up from his airplane seat, stated that he was on the Autism spectrum and needed the view from the window to keep him from getting sick on the plane, hence his insisting on taking the window seat.

He wrote;

lalasticlala, seun, mynd44, dominique
daddytime:
Hmmm

Nonsense
Dont mind the comical & narcissistic Tosin Odunfa guy ojaare, something and everything sef, about him, just doesnt add up, this is why I concur without demur with you it's nonsense and ingredients

He says, he has a PhD in Electrical Engineering and that he teaches at University of Mannittawiw indeed. Google it now, there is no university going by "University of Mannittawiw"

Maybe, he'll soon turn around and claim his instagram account was hacked into and that he didnt write the comment
Celebrities › Re: American Rap Mogul P. Diddy Engaged To Son’s Ex-girlfriend Lori Harvey by MuttleyLaff:
HeWrites:
“If you break my heart I go date your father”
What's your take?
itsme01:
undecided
This Diddy is too creepy, of all the ladies in the world its your son's ex.
Born2Breed:
If this is true, then diddy is sick.
odiereke:
Wonders shall never end
[img]https://s3/images/apple-fruit.jpg[/img]

"What's your take?" Hewrites writes

Do we need to spell out the "take" ni?

F O R B I D D E N_F R U I T

His son Adam was there, for crying out loud!
Well, some will swear by it, that forbidden fruit tastes sweet,
but we all know, its aftertaste is bitter and it usually spoils faster too.
Celebrities › Re: Ibinabo Fiberesima And Daughter, Zino In Matching Outfits by MuttleyLaff: 8:56pm On Jun 24, 2019
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 5:11pm On Jun 24, 2019
openmine:
Eyah ema binu...... grin grin
So why all those long explanations that you refer to as 'short posts' if not to convince him like you did for Okcornel before he refused and you went all bashful on him! grin grin
You did the same for so many of your atheist pals who deserted you esp one who warned you not to mention him again! grin grin
Na who no know muttleylaff schemes cheesy cheesy
Oh c'mon now openmine, how many times do I have to tell you, erhn? I am a one man Mopol, Billy-No-Mates. I have no pals as you can see I am alone.

As per OkCornel, I only laid heavy on him, for nothing other than being a hypocrite, trying to pull on me something he doesn't and wouldn't tolerate. OkCornel and I go way back, he knows there's nothing personal in it, that I was fighting fire with fire, that's all.

As for budaatum, he always at times gets hold of the wrong end of the stick. I am not scared of him
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 4:54pm On Jun 24, 2019
openmine:
Another wasteful attempt to eagerly grab a disciple to his fold! grin grin
My dear, you out of everyone should be the first to know from Bible reading and studying that, its that single one that matters, count and isn't at all a wasted or wasteful effort. Anything to have the chance to smell the gates of heaven is not wasteful attempt.

I am quite sure you haven't read anyone proselytising on this thread, so your disciple grabbing is just yet another of your usual pitiful sight of clutching at any available straw in sight.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff, openmine, Shepherd00 and TV01 I am a liberal individual that understands what ignorance and prejudice can do to unenlightened people and the innocent victims. Sleep paralysis to the unenlightened is caused by demonic powers trying to kill one. Perhaps someone(B) is beside said unenlightened person(A) during such episodes, said unenlightened and "spiritually woke" individual(A) starts questioning the presence of the person at that moment. Let's say A has painted B in negative light prior to the incident, paranoia would make A feel this corroborates his/her suspicions and then said suspicions graduate to perceived fact and heaven forbid A is a honorary gossip, the matter spirals out of control without B the slightest bit aware of what's going on. Imagine a 6 year old being accused of possessing "demons"(for reason out of one's control) beaten,treated with cruelty and unfairly, secluded from an immediate society due to hearsay. Cats are not exempted from this darkness that engulfs the unenlighted. You can only imagine the fate of individuals adults and nonadults with SSA sexual orientation in pitch black countries like Nigeria.
EmperorHarry, I am quite sure you know that some Christians spend their whole lives trying to force others to live according to their unstudied opinions and their false veneer of spirituality and over spiritualised actings.

This is why, you'll see the likes of especially TV01, then Shepherd00 and openmine closely following suit behind TV01 and most other christians/believers be claiming that two consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships relationships or gay unions transgresses the male-female complementarity which God built into humans at creation. What of the same male-female complementarity which God built into animals and nature at creation, hmm?

EmperorHarry:
I only seek to know just what the bible states clearly about homosexuality so as redirect the ignorant to the only objective source of "infallible" knowledge they deem acceptable. Now if muttleylaff says he has seen the light from the sacred fire and he's lit his Olympic torch in a quest to run the marathon of enlightenment into the darkness that engulfs the ignorant and prejudiced territory of homosexuality in christianity then he should be allowed to, given he has packed all he needs to complete this tedious task.
I have stuff, that if I should drop it on these guys, their legs will buckle and they fall flat on their arse from the sheer weight of it. I havent typed anything substantial yet and they already are each and everytime be screaming blue murder. The trio, TV01, Shepherd00 and openmine, just make me all the time, literally be laughing out loud, watching them go schtum or dropping facts I introduce, as if it's like I've asked them to hold on to a hot potato, even diving under the sofa, to hide from the big fat lie elephants in the room I introduce to them.

Not just enlightenment EmperorHarry, but understanding, insight, awareness and lots of nuggets of information, learning, knowledge and education will come forth from the "desconstructing the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union" thread

EmperorHarry:
If in the end his torch is put out by the winds of irrefutable evidence, then I'd want to know just how open-minded the bible (when viewed in the context of the average christian) is towards homosexuality which TV01 and openmine have given answers to from their perspective (which represents pretty much the greater population currently) on the subject.
[img]https://s3/images/HeightView.jpg[/img]

[img]https://s3/images/DiffHeightSameView.jpg[/img]

[img]https://s3/images/SmartAssMuttlely.jpg[/img]

Talking of perspective, the fifth person, not shown anywhere in any of the three pictures above, either isnt standing on anything in the room or is not even in the room and so is not seeing anything at all, as in has no perspective.
C'est la vie, that's the life of perspective, isnt it, in jpegs forms?

EmperorHarry:
If homosexuality is kicked against within christendom for now at least the individuals should not be seen as sinful creatures due to their sexual orientation(which mostly is out of their control by nature) and don't need to be tortured or delivered from the "spirit of homosexuality".
EmperorHarry, dont mind these guys, homosexuality is ancient, it has been with us from time immemorial and it will be here with us, until the end of time, this side of eternity. One poster, in sifia pains, cried out in agony when I typed that in 5-15 years time, gays will be in government in Naija. No one has to be a prophet to know that. It's not sign of the times or end time things, but is just unavoidably inevitable. What was the reason given by Lot, for not allowing those wicked and cruel men of Sodom and Gomorrah have gay sex with the angels when they attempted gang raping them? Is there any good Bible student on this thread, worth his/her mettle dare answer that question, huh?

EmperorHarry:
Please note I am straight. It's not everyone that supports homosexuality that is gay or bi.
EmperorHarry, if I am given a pound for every time I've been told and assumed to be not straight on this thread, I soon be fantastiscally rich from being extremely financially wealthy and will contesting with the likes of Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Aliko Dangote, Mike Adenuga, Tony Elumelu, Femi Otedola, Cletus Ibeto, Folorunsho Alakija, Ned Nwoke, Abdulsamad Rabiu, Arthur Eze etcetera and give them a good run for their money.

It's hilarious, when quite a few posters, on this thread, more confused than a fart let ripped out, on the production line of a fan-making factory, say, I am gay, then change, saying I am not gay, and so they're sorry for calling me gay, but then revert back, insisting I am afterall gay. Another just yesterday, I think its openmine, said he is made to believe, I may be actively involved in these atrocious and shameless activities, obviously that is to say, he's made to believe that I am gay. Face palm and SMH at him.

EmperorHarry:
Also, due to the religious nature of the thread I refer to the bible as an objective truth and evidence for or against the subject.
With or without, the religious nature, the evidence SSA is there in the Bible and in Nature. No species has been found in nature, of course this includes human beings, that homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist or be exhibited. EmperorHarry, openmine, Shepherd00 and TV01, you wouldnt be surprised to know that, humans are the only species, known to be homophobic and discriminates against homosexual behaviour. Animals dont shun other gay animals. Animals dont police other of their animals of gay sexual behavior. Animals dont punished nor ostracied each other for exhibiting gay behaviours.

EmperorHarry:
I'd like state that the apparent lack of feminine opinions or lesbian references on this thread makes it kinda gay....

...Just kidding
I disconcur that there is an apparent lack of lesbian references on this thread because in certain instances, I've introduced and used the terms homosexuals and lesbians together in my sentences separated by an oblique stroke (/), otherwise called slash. I also have had the opportunities to introduce lesbians such as Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up to know who her famous daddy is and Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum, who happens to be another very loyal and committed in attitude lesbian, just as Mpho is. Besides all that, when I use the phrase "two consenting adults" it isnt just about homosexuals but it encompasses lesbians too.

I could type on more, but time no dey, there isnt that much time, besides, I wanted this to be a short post
cc EmperorHarry
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
openmine:
Whenever i peruse your irksome posts, i discover why you were obviously hesitant and unable to summarize your long-winded and interminable postulations to emperorharry!
There are some laborious comments from yours that could have been confined to just a few sentences but i guess it was your 'brilliant'(or lack of it) idea to churn many words to sound subtle to unsuspecting folks!
No wonder its still taking your 25+ pages to establish your claims that God sees nothing wrong(Untoward grin) with homosexual acts .....what a pathetic situation you have dug your self into cheesy cheesy

To say that i am perturbed by what is emanating from the fetid-induced fingers of a person who farcically professes to hear from God is not only flagitious but an aberration!
I wasnt hesitant and unable to summarize any long-winded postulation(s), I actually threw quite a lot of detail, except for the kitchen sink, in there, in that post to EmperorHarry. I hope, unlike you he appreciates it.

You found my comment "God sees nothing wrong with homosexual acts" hilarious, you had to grin at it. You even claimed that what a pathetic situation I've dug myself into, and cheesy cheesy smiled after that, well fyi, truth is stranger than fiction, is all I'll say.

Tbh, I've so far learned that the truth doesn't always set you free, people prefer to believe prettier, neatly wrapped up lies. Also that the truth, being tasted, is too much of a bitter pill to swallow for some fundamentalist and over spiritualised Christians

openmine, truth is strong enough to overcome all human sophistries, it draws strength from itself and not from the number of like votes, obtained in its favour from writing up a self servicing post like the one immediately above you wrote.

openmine:
For the very fact that you could conceive the unsavoury thought of two grown men making out with each others private parts as a form of copulation and audaciously equating such disgusting and heinous acts to that of a normal,natural,acceptable and God ordained sexual intercourse, contained in the scriptures, between a MAN and a WOMAN only manifests a fallacious individual who is adamant in conveying the devil's plan to confuse and manipulate those who are unrelenting to discontinue and relinquish these opprobrious and despicable deeds!
You are a killjoy, though I've said earlier that you're prude, fyi, holding balls, is a human being sexual behavior, it's a sexual stimulation act done, at the beginning of a sexual encounter that serve to build up sexual arousal, sometimes in preparation for sexual intercourse or any act meant to bring about sexual pleasure and ultimately orgasm. Put it this way, it's part of what's called foreplaying.

Now share for the education of all. I dare you to, what is despicable in two consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships make out or loving each other especially done in the privacy and comfort of their home, hmm?
What particularly is it they do, that you lay your fingers on, that's deserving this your so much hatred and contempt, hmm? Triple please, tell. No holds barred, take no prisoners, tell it like it is, and like I do openmine. Please, I'll crawl over broken bottles to know specifically what is the evil in SSA acts, want to know what devil's plan is, what all this confusion nonsense of the devil is about and means. HBO, that for you means, help a brother out. I fully give you the rights, not to mince words.

openmine:
I have tried to make some rationality from your latest nauseous comments including your half-witted and inglorious pic (which makes me believe you may be actively involved in these atrocious and shameless activities) but all i keep perceiving is a 'world conformed' individual whose pattern of operation seeks to put tale of lies where there is none in the scriptures!
Let's be honest here with each other and stop deceiving ourselves, you are unequivocally disinterested in the considerations of the facts and have in all this matter, no iota of love for truth. Now what I perceive of you and quite a lot of the others, is none of youse have any understanding of the importance of telling the truth. Lies have become necessary for each and every one of youse because you've found the truth too difficult to believe

openmine:
grin grin
At least i can say i been consistent and transparent with my inquiry and i haven't drifted or become so evasive like yours truly!
So saying you are giving it back to me is like offering me a compliment for staying true to my stance!!
However, can the same be said about you who has been trying inefficaciously to take me off from the main issue at hand and deviate into trivial matters?
The main issue at hand, easily can be worked out or be deduced from mere reading what the subject heading title is of the thread, but you my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, have only being consistent in not wanting to allow the thread to expose all the extraordinary lies, so people can distinctly see them for what they are. You havent drifted from your dogged determination and persistent attempt to prevent people discovering the truth about each and everyone of these serious deliberate mistakes, calculated lies and crime. You have never commented on the thread's main issues, the case in points and other big fat lie elephant(s) in the church room intermittently so far shared and discussed on the thread. The intermittency being thanks to your regular distraction and derailing the thread with your carefully and well planned disparaging remarks. Whilst everybody were invited, including you openmine, in to the boat and to row, you arent rowing, you arent doing nothing like that, but you've being busy drilling holes in the boat, so to capsize and/or sink it, thinking that no one's noticing, no one is looking at you performing your monkey tricks or seeing you.

openmine:
Now to your mind-numbing expressions,
"They in fact are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships"......

As a titular and self-titled 'postulator' who proclaims the word of God is the truth, what UNION/RELATIONSHIP/MARRIAGE that "is strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death" is ACCEPTABLE AND PERMISSIBLE to God?
I do not inconsiderately take ownership of what is not legally and rightfully mine. Every believer, and more so, one on his/her mettle, is a moG or woG. There is the backing of the scripture for this, so there is no covetousness, in being known as a moG.

I already have introduced on this thread, the existence, facts and truth of "what UNION/RELATIONSHIP/MARRIAGE that is strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death" is and also did similar to the one that is "ACCEPTABLE AND PERMISSIBLE to God". These have all and each, been presented, as a basis for a candid, heart to heart, truthful and straightforward reasoning and not afraid to call a spade a spade discussion, but what came out of it. Nothing, because you and other christians, bend down with arse raised up, hanging out to the sky and bury heads in the sand, not wanting to talk about it and them.

openmine:
As a follow up, you can as well display scriptures that validates such acceptance from God almighty whose words you quite strongly believe in!

Is there any SS union in the scripture that has received blessings from God?
God is love,
and those who live in love, live in union with God
and God lives in union with them.
"
- 1 John 4:16

Love is a blessing, and is from God. Right openmine? Well, two adult grown men and they in fact, are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, are doing no one, nobody, not anyone, any harm.

You need to chill, calm down and relax, especially when or if you dont know of and cannot point out, any evil, anything bad, and anything wrong that is going on with them and in their romantic act, of showing and expressing love to each other, being partners in a life long relationship.

What are they being accused of or painted guilty of sef, openmine? The love, loving, is for real and mutual, it's a love for each other. God is not vexed nor perturbed over that. God is love, and whoever abides in love, abides in God, and God abides in him and him too.

openmine:
Once again....no tales by moonlight stories or garrulous write-ups!
The more that you read moonlight stories or garrulous write-ups, the more things you will know and learn about openmine. Sorry, but we all know that, lies gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on, so said Winston Churchill. It's just a matter of, extraordinary lies, require extraordinary garrulous write-ups to counter the extraordinary lies
cc EmperorHarry
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
openmine:
Mr prevaricator am not talking about a man/woman intercourse!
[img]https://s3/images/GayPunish.jpg[/img]

openmine, would that by a twist of fate, be you in the above jpeg with the placard and wagging your finger at those two men minding their own business, erhn? They are adult grown men, you know openmine. They in fact are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships

openmine:
We are not discussing our sexual intercourse here Mr dodger!
What i do with my beloved or the style used is not a subject for discus here!
I am quite aware we werent, but just was putting it into perspective that what is game and good for the goose, is equally game and good for the SSA relationship gander

openmine:
grin grin
This is the same guy who accused some one of repetition now regurgitating comments hoping that he will sound intelligible!
cheesy cheesy
What repetition are you accusing me of? What have I erroneously and incorrectly learned that I've repeatedly regurgitated here, hmm? Have I repeatingly been asking same questions at every available opportunity huh? Or is it, have I being grinding away using the "dripping tap" technique whilst repeating the questions instead of sticking to whatever is currently being discussed, huh? That's called subterfuge, "dripping tap" technique, is a trick or a dishonest way of trying to achieve something. OkCornel and Shepherd00 enjoy and like playing that trick, so if you are accusing me of something like that, you better be sure about it.

OK aside that, are you afterall not my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan ni? Do you want deny that you dont hold the coveted position and honour of being the dear overzealous and dedicated heckler #1 fan of mine, especially when talking of on this thread ni? openmine I am just following Bible. I am giving to you what I owe you. I am paying you respect and honor, acknowledging that you are my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, that all. Check out Romans 13:7 nau, it's all in there. I've always from the beginning said, everything I type on this thread can be fact-checked, so this one is no exception and you can take it to the bank

Are you "sifially" pained, that I sound intelligible ni? Why then, what's generating this bitterness from you, hmm? It is unhealthy, if you dont know. If EmperorHarry is expecting something from me, he deems will be meaningful and useful info to him, as it crossed your mind openmine, that maybe, it means I've somehow given EmperorHarry reasons to believe in some facts, if not all, that's so far has been typed on this thread?. Is that whats terrified you? Or what exactly is the problem or cause for your dogged determination to heckle and disturb the peace of the thread sef openmine?

Image123:
Dear MuttleyLaff. Let's be content with missus handling these issues. This gay thing is just not it no matter how you carry it.
"And we ourselves know and believe the love which God has for us.
God is love, and those who live in love,
live in union with God and God lives in union with them.
"
- 1 John 4:16

My dear and beloved nwanne brother Image123, like I told above, my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, these are two adult grown men and they in fact, are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, doing no nobody or anyone any harm. Nothing evil, nothing bad, and nothing wrong going on with them. What they are accused of or painted guilty of, is loving for real, each other and God is not vexed nor perturbed over that. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him and him too.
cc EmperorHarry
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
openmine:
How does that translate into two men doing that same thing with their balls and how do you even know that such happens?
Unless there is something you are not telling me about your 'intense advocacy' for such acts....
shocked shocked shocked
I know it's not so obvious to you my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan but the balls are part of the erogenous zones of the male body

Ah, I love it when my missus grabs me by the balls and tenderly caresses me there, it is a lovely feeling when she touches and stroke me gently there with her loving touch. Sometimes, when in the sack, she grabs my butt firmly and squeezes that too whenevr I bring her to "heaven", cloud nine at the point of orgasmic state ecstasy

I think you're a prude, my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, nothing to tell you apart from that.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 8:18pm On Jun 23, 2019
openmine:
shocked shocked shocked
What did you just say?
Dont your missus play with your balls ni, you too good to be true, goody-goody Pharisaical person? I bet you are a one-trick pony man. It has to be missionary style, its only that or nothing. SMH. You're either a fundamentalist, just being over spiritual or both.
cc EmperorHarry
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
Shepherd00:
EmperorHarry. I hope MuttleyLaff convinces you that homosexuality is inclusive in God's original (even when he can not corroborate it with scriptures) and you enjoy it when a fellow man tries to play with your balls.
Dont mind this man ojaare, what's his business with, if this is the case, in what you and yours until death do apart, do in the privacy and comfort of your home, hmm?
Balls afterall, are there to be played with, arent they?

Shepherd00:
Just imagine his frenzy trying to pass off a lie wirhout a single scripture behind him.
I dont want to offend you, so I'll refrain from commenting on this

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, where in Isaiah did YHWH promised the homosexuals anything? Where did The Lord Jesus Christ praise homosexual activity?
#IfYouKnowYouKnow
Well, if you know, you know and who no know, no go know. Sorry.

Shepherd00:
All these your long posts are unnecessary, post only these two scriptures and I will clap for you now.
This is déjà vu. It like one of those, "if you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, jump off!" or "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread." moments. I am so-so sorry Shepherd00 but I've got trust issues not yet to tell and trust you with both info.

EmperorHarry:
Not necessarily the verses I asked for but it only points to validity of my initial speculations which has somehow being answered by TV and openmine.Thanks anyways.
Shepherd00:
You didn't tell me any specific verse you were looking for. I told you of verses which sentences homosexuality to death.
So, which scriptures were you expecting?
Shepherd00, please kindly tell EmperorHarry from the abundance of your vast knowledge and understanding the following:
1/ What again are men sexing men activities that carry a punishment of death by stoning?
2/ Why particularly did these men sexing men activities deemed an abomination and why so it carried a punishment of death?
cc EmperorHarry
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 7:56pm On Jun 23, 2019
Shepherd00:
A capital Yes, you categorically and unequivocally affirmed that The Lord Jesus, Apstle Paul Jude had nothing against homosexuality, then you ended with per se.
What do you mean by Per se here?
I am shaking the table, yall are comfortably, with a full false sense of safety are standing on, with "per se" snuggly slotted in there.
What do I mean by "per se" in there? #IfYouKnowYouKnow
Well, if you know, you know and who no know, no go know. Sorry.

Shepherd00:
I never read where you gave an answer to that question. All you wrote here could just be been that answer. Yes or no.
I am not surprised you havent, probably has to do with you missing it because you had to go to home cell. No, it isnt all I wrote here, it wasnt that at all

Shepherd00:
Who in the Bible engaged in a monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, to show us a precedence?
At least a pair each side of the Bible halves. Unfortunately you wont be told, at least not by me

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, I've lairs, but you top the chart.
You stand in public without any Oita of shame and declare that what Apst Paul talked abt in Rom. 1 is not abt two men having sex?
Do you see, what I have to deal with you about, hmm? It is you twisting what I've typed and be misrepresenting me with your version of what I've written. That's bad, that's lies, thats's making up falsehoods

Shepherd00:
Why haven't you posted that scripture where Jesus Highly praised homosexual activities yet?
We've been here before. I've already numerous times told you why I am not posting it. Please stop this your "Dripping Tap" technique.

Shepherd00:
Contextually, those scriptures are talking about men sexing men and nothing else. Try as you may to pass off, you'd fail.
Those scripture were talking of males sexing male, in circumstances, conditions or surroundings involving minors, that is children, and especially fascination with prepubescent kids. It also is about pederasty, which is a step above fascination with prepubescent kids, as pederasty, is sexual activity involving a man and a boy. Fyi, it is a man's love of boys from ages 12 to about 17 or 18. In Rome, that is in Apostle Paul's time, it was perfectly normal for an older man to desire and pursue boys.

In the same scriptures, male sexing male, is labeled as an abomination, because of it's link with idolatry sexual worship rituals expecting divine blessing etcetera from such activities. Further on, same scriptures, touches on, men sexing men, by prostituting themselves, either for financial or religious occultic reasons. Other scriptures, touched on men sexing men, by hopping from one bed to another, being promiscuous, commiting infidelity, being disloyal untrusting and cheating

I have already in detail, talked about this earlier, so I wont go into men sexing men, in regards to being "arsenokoites", a "qadesh/qedeshah", "malakoi/malakos" or a "sodomite"

It is simple Shepherd00, I won't lie to you, whether big or small, as lies are lies, besides I am absolutely sure that, if I did lie, you will later, if not sooner, find out the truth, that I might have lied. I have no agenda except to tell the truth and say it as it is

Shepherd00:
Juvenile delinquent.
Common sense is like deodorant, people who need it most never use it. By most acounts, you are a nasty piece of work and far too full of yourself. Who are you calling a juvenile delinquent, hmmm? Who is your mate, who is your mate on this thread. TV01, is a better person than you are, he will never stoop this low and be getting out of line like this talking and behaving improperly. I know, I've warned you severally but you still dont care, abi.

Shepherd00:
Where did you say it?
You dont pay my bills, I dont owe you anything, I dont have to tell you where I have. Next time pay attention and better attention in fact.
cc EmperorHarry
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff pardon me for backtracking the progress you've made on the thread. It's not possible for me to read through this thread and find what I'm looking for without mental stress.
EmperorHarry, I am sorry and empathize with you, whatever the set of circumstances you are in or find yourself to be in. I have the singular honor and privilege to have that grace. Now I'll be as brief and clearly expressed as I possibly can, all because though all the extraodinary lies requires extraordinally and lengthy replies, I'll endeavour to make my post short, sweet and short, as people dont like reading long posts and some soon again, will accuse me of talking too much

You owe me no apologies, the thread is not a wham bam thank you ma'am 40 seconds man thread, it is a marathon, a labour of love thread.

EmperorHarry:
The main reason for my question has been address (the question itself has not) and I'll take whatever y'all have said into consideration in order to get other answers.
If I am right, your concern was, if SSA person, that is sexually abstinent, period. Will such make heaven? Of course, if such person will, if such believe in Jesus or His commandments. Actually this is no different to someone who isnt a SSA person, that too, is sexually abstinent because such as the grace to be so. Now the point you need to realse is that it is preposterous, to think or made to believe that God disapproves of SSA. I'll leave at just that for now with the reason and question now both addressed for you. As previously told you, door is wide ajar open, walk at your leisure if you need clarifications

EmperorHarry:
The etymological aspect you've brought to my attention is interesting I must say and I'll appreciate it if you can tag me to replies addressing that aspect.
You probably have figured out that what I've brought to your attention that you find so interesting are the elephants in the church not disccussed and not talked about. Christians/believers run away from it, hide by bending down and burying their heads in the sand over them

EmperorHarry, people should stop acting like there is no elephant in the room, when there's a big fat lie elephant in the room, introduce it and when introduced to it, dont just look past the big fat lie elephant in the room and be pretending it isnt there

I recall the other day, telling TV01, to better look the fairy out because I am going to make him discover that the lies he was raised up with, that he learned to believe, as truths, are not truths at all. I promised him, its going to hurt, the truth I meant, because I recall reading Terence James Stannus Gray, saying, "In order to be effective, truth must penetrate like an arrow. And that is likely to hurt"

I also said, TV01 is someone prepped up to be barbecued, but then on his own accord, went on to rub himself down with kerosene and get himself soaked up in gasoline. All I have to do EmperorHarry, is light a match and its boom, boom, match in the gas. Boom Shakalaka!.

EmperorHarry:
I'll be watching this thread from afar cos I don't have the mental energy to mount the dragons (really really long arguments and counter arguments) like y'all have nor am I convinced about the infallibility of the bible so I don't take it's words seriously(my personal opinion)
The Bible is infallible, it is the translations, that best of times, are iffy. Everything in the Bible is completely trustworthy, it is the translation that arent necessarily inspired

I tell you what, I'll tell you what I love and dont love. I admire this kind of spirit that scrutinizes and most especially when done under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Mediocrity for me partly, is ignoring the big fat lie elephant in the room, pretending its not there and then be discussing the ants or playing the hot potato game, tossing it about, even before the music begins.

EmperorHarry:
If you are victorious on your quest to deconstruct the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union you should open a thread that comprehensively clarifies the whole thing cos reading this thread from scratch to gain enlightenment is not advisable.
EmperorHarry, victorious warriors, like myself, win first and then go to war, not the other way round and this thread is fit for purpose without needing another thread opened

EmperorHarry, you need to appreciate that a sincere seeker knows that pearls don't lie on seashores, and it you wanted some, you have to get your feet wet and dive for it.

EmperorHarry, the real truth(s) in the Bible, are like pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless pebbles, so the onus rests on you to sift through quite a lot of stuff, pick things up, look at them, investigate, examine them all and when you stumble on pearls, then dust them down, wipe and brush them until they bring out the shine, the luster, the sparkle and the light in them. When I say light, I actually mean has a glow that illuminates and not a glare that obscures

Lastly EmperorHarry, when the piercing needle of truth, is hidden in a haystack of lies, it takes a long post to unravel through the haystack of lies to bring the piercing needle of truth out into the open. So my brother, that is why and how extraordinary lies, requires extraordinary lengthy posts, as short posts harbour and/or hide a multitude of lies and evil(s).

Go inside the thread EmperorHarry, because as you weed through the muck and noise, you will find somewhere in it, the real beauty of it all, the truth about yourself, you seek.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
OkCornel:
Real comedy...
The unfortunate part is, you arent good at real comedy, so please reconsider and dont jack in the day job, OK?

OkCornel:
So you're telling us Apostle Paul, Jesus, Jude and God have nothing against homosexuality...
Capital Yes, as in, in the affirmative, I am categorically and unequivocably telling yall that Apostle Paul, Jesus, Jude and God have nothing against homosexuality per se

OkCornel:
And those who turned away from such after encountering Jesus are liars...
You're just as bad as Shepherd00, repeating a question, you've earlier asked that has already been previously answered or responded to. Why do you guys do that hmm? Who does this?

OkCornel:
Those scriptures you've been dancing around, I will put them up here with various commentaries and interpretation from the original languages they were written into English.
You wouldnt have the need to put anything up, if you've had the strength and courage to admit the lies.

Why not first deconstruct the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union. Why not start with the true and original meanings of terms like "porneia", "arsenokoites", "qadesh/qedeshah" "sodomite" that have absolutely nothing to do with strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that you see as homosexuals, but translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons, hmm?

Maybe then, we can contextually examine together those scripture, being as I know that you STILL haven't properly and correctly read them, this is why you have to rely on various commentaries. You have not done your own private and personal study, you havent embraced and appreciated 2 Timothy 2:15. Tbh, you should make it your goal to live quietly, mind your own business, and study the Bible correctly and properly, just as I've told you before.

Somebody will just like to do pass themselves, will wake up on Sunday morning, see trouble sleep, but then him and "yanga" will just decide they want to wake up trouble, pull it by the leg. Wetin hin dey find? Na palaver, hin dey find, na palaver, hin go get-e o

OkCornel:
One example of same sex relationship approved by God in the old or new testament shouldn't be too difficult to find.
Face palm, there he goes again, and with the "Dripping Tap" technique, a trick, the repetition ploy used, with the aim to eventually wear down the other, through relentless and continuing mindless repeating like a parrot, something that has already been said and/or previously been written.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 7:05am On Jun 23, 2019
OkCornel:
Muttley, when are you going to show us one example of same sex relationship/marriage approved of by God in the scriptures?
I will show you when you are ready to admit to the lies & myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union, used to twist the Bible in favor of being against homosexuality

I will show you after you admit to parroting regurgitated Bible verses used to wrongly judge SSA people

I will show you after you agree to stop being the self-righteous person and a hypocrite, a supposedly Christian/believer you call yourself, yet you still in regards to SSA people, adhere to and follow the laws of sin. SMH, tsk, tsk, tsk.

I will show you when stop judging SSA people by the law of sin that you are ignorant of.

There are more before I'll show you, but some guys dont like reading long post, so I'll pause at those for now.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
TV01:
Viewed froma Christian perspective, this question is still somewhat faulty.

There is nothing like a "homosexual". That a person experiences SSA does not make him or her a homosexual. That is a matter of identification, which I don't deny anyone, but it is not scriptural or rooted in truth.

Everyone who comes to Christ sincerely has a place. And SSA or urges may well persist after one does so. THey key is not believing and insisting that such urges are fine, normal, healthy and non-negotiable (or conversely, approved by God).

So having the SS feelings but the right attitude, should engender the same love and support any other believer is afforded, whatever it is they may be struggling with. In such instances they are brethren and without any sort of qualification.

On he other hand, if they remain obdurate in claiming the essentality of their feelings and labelling themselves as homosexual, I would suggest asking them to leave after clear counselling and the opportunity to repent.

If, and worse still they stridently insisting it is God approved and /or millitantly agitated for it's acceptance, I would see them out quick time. You may consider that stigmatisation or victimisation, but it's scriptural. Of course there are "churches" which are gay-affirming.

On a personal note, we left a church which affirmed transgenderism in a boy of 5 or 6 years old. Not only was he allowed to dress as a girl and wear make-up and jewellery, the attention seeking little blighter poor child grin ran riot in Sunday school angry.


TV
I found quite a lot in the above post to be immediately unnerving, disconcerting and disquieting. I was thrown off balance by how SSA were belittled and looked down on. This is the sort and form of hate speech that's not to be supported. Comments not showing consideration for the needs of other people, comments expressing great pleasure and/or satisfaction of running fellow human beings out of church etcetera because of their sexual orientation, should never be encouraged nor tolerated.

Why do some people have a lack of empathy, be mocking such a sweet little boy like that, disparagingly call him a "the attention seeking little blighter poor child" etcetera, huh? Compassion, that the Bible implores us all to embrace, pursue and confront, is defined as a feeling of concern for the suffering of others, the ability to feel what others are feeling etcetera. Jesus taught all to love our neighbor, even to the point that we sacrifice of ourself for the neighbour, but TV01 with his comment there, has blatantly and unequivocally encouraged people to hate a SSA neighbour.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
EmperorHarry:
openmine and TV01 can a "homosexual" make heaven in that such a person never had sexual activity with same sex?
Like I have said in previous post(s), God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive.

Consensual adult SS attraction and SS relationships, by a God design are included, in the creational order.

Now, the reason, why most people cant accept that some people are naturally born to have same sex attraction (i.e. being gay) and this is alright, is because of them being misinformed that it is a sin to be a gay person, but that's a misconception posts on this thread will correctly be informing on

EmperorHarry, let's get this straight and in perspective, hmm. If you're an unrepentant rapist, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant arm robber, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant child molester, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant animal fairker, you're in trouble.

If you're an unrepentant "animashaun-gbogbo-adugbo" unfaithful homosexual/lesbian, it goes without saying, that you're in trouble
but if you are an adult, sexually attracted to a consenting adult of same gender and in a faithful, committed to each other, meaningful, honest, truthful, loving and lasting a lifetime relationship with same person until death do youse apart then you are alright and good to go because it at the end of the day, is not a matter of who you love, but is a matter and down to how you love. Love reigns supreme and is eternal, on top of that, it is instructive to know that, in Christ and end of this side of eternity, there is neither male nor female.

EmperorHarry:
We've reached an clarification that being attracted to the same sex or identifying as gay doesn't mean one is an abomination. So do gay people who don't have sexual intimacy with same sex have a place in the church? Should they be allowed to worship in peace without stigma and victimization due to ignorantly prejudiced "sanctimonious" believers?
Now how and where in the first place, did you get your understanding of what was classed as abomination and why it was an abomination because not a single soul on this thread, has stepped up to boldly shed light on those two questions, all they've done is head off on a flight and avoiding the questions like they're a plague. So, whats your understanding EmperorHarry, about whats the abomination mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 about and how is it an abomination, hmm?

TV01:
There is no indication, pattern, type or example affirming SS relationshipns anywhere in the bible. Conversely the scriptures condemning it are clear-cut and unambiguous. How would such a relationship be sanctified, or deemed equal to marriage - if as MuttleyLaff himself states - it is not open to them?
There is, dont mind him. He couldnt and cant see it from the level he is at and the angle he is looking at it from

Shepherd00:
Pls ask him further why the HOMOSEXUAL ACT is met with a sentence of death everytime is mentioned since God does not condemn it.

I can provide scriptures.
EmperorHarry, this is what I earlier said about asking questions about something I've already and earlier given the answer to

Dont mind Shepherd00. I have twice answered provided the answer to this request. The first instance was on Page 6 of this thread and second instance is Page 13. He hasnt read it and hasnt been reading, that part of why he keeps on still making the request

EmperorHarry:
@bolded That would be helpful.
Believe it'll be helpful at your peril

EmperorHarry:
Not necessarily the verses I asked for but it only points to validity of my initial speculations which has somehow being answered by TV and openmine.Thanks anyways.
I am not going to start gloating and be saying, the four most beautiful "I told you so" common words.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
EmperorHarry:
I know that from your viewpoint the Bible doesn't unambiguously and outrightly condemn homosexuality but there are folks with opposing view on here hence the 24 pages on this thread.
EmperorHarry, I beg to differ, it is not as you mistakenly put it, from my viewpoint, but is, looking at it, from the Bible's viewpoint, because the Bible doesnt completely and entirely of itself, condemn homosexuality, the bible though however specifically, unambiguously and outrightly does condemn certain type or forms of homosexuality, as you'll see as follows next

1/ Case in point #1 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality is found in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. This type of homosexuality in the two aforemetioned Leviticus verses is the sort, where SSA persons are worshipping pagan fertility gods/goddess and including it with having ceremonial cum ritualistic sex with temple devotees and prostitutes. The prostitutes and their patrons/customerss use sex to worship false gods.

2/ Case in point #2 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality, similar to case #1, but an upgraded version, is found in Romans 1:18-32. The similarity with case in point #1 above, is obvious, as it's clear to see that Romans 1:24, 26 & 27, are a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. It is the same old, same old of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 reappearing again on but with a vengeance on the Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 scene. It is the familiar then Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 male prostituting happening and thriving in the city of Rome there, and women have joined gang in it too

3/ Case in point #3 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in Deuteronomy 23:17-18 and 1 Kings 14:24. It has a similarity with case in points #1 and #2 above as it is about the Hebrew word "qadesh" or a sodomite. The terms "qadesh" or a sodomite are the original and true biblical words for describing a temple devotee SSA male prostitute. An example of the female equivalent "qedeshah" (i.e. female temple prostitute) can be found in Genesis 38:21. The word sodomite, means "qadesh" as in a shrine male prostitute and must importantly be noted that it has no and never had any correlation with the city Sodom nor Sodom and Gomorrah

4/ Case in point #4 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in 1 Timothy 1:10. This too has similarities with case in points #1, #2 and #3 above, as it talks about SSA acts using Greek terms "porneia" and "arsenokoites".

The term "porneia" is Greek and means a person who has dealings with prostitutes whereas term "arsenokoites" is also a Greek word, but was formulated by Apostle Paul from two words. Paul actually ignored 17 already existing words identified with SSA men to invent this new word "arsenokoites" he created from using two words, namely "arseno- or arsen- ," (i.e. arseno means man) used in the singular and then used "koites", (i.e. koites means beds), and used in plural. The "arsenokoites" term usage is not really a reflection of any Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled" because its like you going far-fetched with that, but it actually is used in context of the epidemic and endemic practice of male temple prostitutes offering ritual sex services, and the literal hopping from one patron's bed to another patron's bed practice, hence why and how Paul constructed the man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites).

In a way of recapping the story so far, in all this homosexuality done wrongly and condemned, porneia has to do with the run-of-the-mill prostituting, and arsenokoites though has to do with prostituting, as well as, it in the sense of it, is a male sleeping around, having casual sex and/or having multiple partners, hopping from one bed to another bed

It is glaring, except if in denial, and this now, is talking of certain posters on this thread, the likes of TV01 in particular, then Shepherd00, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, alBHAGDADI etcetera, what the true and original meaning of "porneia" and Paul's "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and and 1 Corinthians 6:9 is, before each were being translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons. They even lied and translated "qadesh" and/or a sodomite too, mentioned above, to in every respect, mean an ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act.

5/ Case in point #5 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is also found in 1 Corinthians 6:9. Here, its the sort of "homosexual" or homosexual act talked about using Greek terms "porneia", "malakoi/malakos" and "arsenokoites" and used in that order. We are already from case in points #4 familiar with the term "porneia" or "arsenokoites" and their true and original meanings. Now as for "malakoi/malakos", in the first century had its original meaning to be an effeminate man who pretties himself with daily shaving of the face, using makeup, face powdered up, hair coloring, putting on jewelleries, fancy clothing on and all tarted up to attract male & female customer with whom to have sex. This term too "malakoi/malakos", until snatched by the church, never was meant a term as used by christians, to demonise, discriminate and persecute ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act with.

EmperorHarry, of course, all SSA people are "homosexual/lesbian" or indulge in SSA sexual act, but not all SSA people are into "porneia", are "arsenokoites", a "qadesh/qedeshah", "malakoi/malakos" or are a "sodomite" but you watch as my brethren/sisters, the likes of Shepherd00 in particular, then TV01, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, Ubenedictus, Baddiezz, VBCampaign, Michellekabod2, Goshen360, elated177, jesusjnr, shadeyinka, HappyPagan, ujnwachukwu, bloodofthelamb, OLAADEGBU, Bejusttoall, kkins25, alBHAGDADI etcetera as they, either think little of all this, ignore this, gloss over it and/or make these facts I've made known, seem not important, significant nor interesting. The church, in this regard has proven herself to be a serial liar in regards to the true and actual meanings of those terms or words.

EmperorHarry:
I'm neither here to support nor oppose anyone but homosexuality is not just about having sex with the same gender as one. It's just part of the whole and having a relationship without sexual intercourse doesn't mean your not in a relationship.
From the bible references I'm personally aware of Genesis (Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus and Romans, homosexuality is reduced to just sexual relations which means being in a homosexual relationship without having sexual relations would be permissible unless there are verses that regard it as a whole(exual and nonsexual). I just wanna know if homos themselves are abominations and derserve such contempt and negativity due to their sexual orientation or if it's just the sexual part of it that seems to condemned in the Bible.
I am sure you are fully aware this thread was not opened or created to solicit anyone's support for or against homosexuality. As a matter of fact, the object of the whole exercise and activity on the thread is towards "Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union"

The Bible in Luke 14:31, states that:""Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?. EmperorHarry, you see, I knew this was going to be a tall order, be a Herculean and/or arduous task. I knew it'll be a marathon because just like in earlier quoted Luke 14:31, I have sat to think it all entirely all over. I knew I will have to bide my time, will need to smoke people out, draw them out into the open, then either snatch hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to evade capture or try to escape. Going for the jugular, would be my last resort.

As you can see, the thread is 24 pages and still counting, because these guys are as slippery as eel. They avoid what the thread is all about, as in, the desconstructing aspect. They are trying every single trick in their bag of tricks, they derail the thread from its subject heading title, ask questions I previously have responded to or answered. They go on tangents, by suddenly start talking about a completely thing that has nothing to do with the thread's subject heading title. They dodge my questions, like, what is the evil in same sex attraction, what is the reason, God said it's an abomination indulging in certain types of same sex attraction acts, why did God, say he desists it, what is wrong or bad in this particular sort of same sex attraction acts etcetera, they just abandon, pick race and run off without responding to any of those questions. They do every possible thing to distract, frustrate and even try to dominate the thread with their whims and caprices, but I dont really mind, because I know that, "Efry day, efry day, monkey go leave home, go about hin usual monkey monkey business market, but one day, one day, just one single day, hin go go, but this time, no go return back."

EmperorHarry:
... homosexuality is not just about having sex with the same gender as one. It's just part of the whole and having a relationship without sexual intercourse doesn't mean your not in a relationship.
EmperorHarry, let me put you at ease. I know a defeated warrior when I see one and as I know myself and also know my capabilities, I have no need, to fear the result of a hundred battles. EmperorHarry, I don't want blow my horn, but I am really excellently and better qualified than anyone yet shown up on this thread, in putting the record straight, in order to make the true facts about the lies known.

With this thread, I should be able to reassure the concerned, remove their doubts and fears that having sexual feelings towards the same sex is a sin and to tell the truth that God NEVER and anywhere in the Bible say homosexuality, in itself is a sin, nor does God hate same sex attraction couples, this means, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that christians/muslims/atheists have accustomed to see ordinarily as homosexuals, but they really are caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing.

EmperorHarry:
... From the bible references I'm personally aware of Genesis (Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus and Romans, ...
EmperorHarry, lies are necessary, when the truth is too difficult to believe. Be careful about what you're aware and believe about Genesis (i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus and Romans.

EmperorHarry:
...homosexuality is reduced to just sexual relations which means being in a homosexual relationship without having sexual relations would be permissible unless there are verses that regard it as a whole(sexual and nonsexual).
We learn something new if we are interested enough to dig deep

EmperorHarry, TV01 will have you know that the "homosexual" and "heterosexual" label adopted by the church and used in Bible, to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons are semantics. Well I can live that because it just shows the fact and reality that greed, covetousness, lack of self-control and lust are improper desires and/or faults that when acted upon, just not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity, cheating, sleeping around, sexual abuse etcetera but also cause friction, harm, pain to another whom is supposedly loved, faithful to, committed to, honest to, lasting that's life-long loyal to, and all these supposedly professed to whilst in a relationship, that's either same sex or otherwise

EmperorHarry:
I just wanna know if homos themselves are abominations and derserve such contempt and negativity due to their sexual orientation or if it's just the sexual part of it that seems to condemned in the Bible.
EmperorHarry, you dont know any of these guys on this thread like I do. I know every single one of them. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, I know how and what they breathe, I know when and how they sleep, I know what they eat, know when, how and what they like eating, I know when they fart and shiit, I even know the color of their shiits sef. None of them, can share with you what they dont know, as the less people know of a subject matter, the more stubbornly they think they know it

I kept telling and reminding them that, I had not only, mounted this homosexuality issue dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, it's after killing it, that I then went to dissect it, curious to find out what the dragon beast has been feeding on, and that EmperorHarry, is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this homosexuality issue dragon beast subject matter and how these guys tick too.

EmperorHarry, there are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates and the glare that obscures and this is because we have different paths of learning and growth

EmperorHarry, my door is always open to you, so dont hesistate to ask me questions on anything you need clarifications on. I might not for any moment, tell it all, but you can be reassured that, of all I tell, would be truth. I am fulfilled being a frank honest and truthful seen as an arsehole than being a well liked nasty liar

If you have only a day to live, fill it with study and sex. EmperorHarry, trust me on that, even TV01 can testify, at least to the latter part of that my another penny in the truth jar advice.
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff I have a question.
Does the Bible strictly condemn homosexuality or just sex between homos? Can you refer verses that don't suggest just the sexually related part of homosexuality.Verses that condemn homosexuality as a whole.
This is open to all.I just need to clarify something.
The Bible doesn't strictly condemn homosexuality per se nor does it condemn sex between homos, what the Bible explicitly condemns, like for example, the Leviticus verses, are homo sex done under pagan influence, done with fertility gods/goddess temple prostitutes. Other verses in the New Testament like Romans, Timothy and Corinthians are against homos interested in prepubescent
children, against promiscuous homos and temple prostituting males.

There is no Bible verse that condemns homosexuality as a whole or generally.

If you need detailed info or other questions, please don't hesitate to ask
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 7:42am On Jun 22, 2019
openmine:
Like I always say, Muttleylaff you talk too much and yet would want to try in vain to make sense out of your nonsensical write-ups as usual!

Oga,in simple terms, where in scriptures does God SEE nothing Untoward about a consensual homosexual act?

As for lifting your ignore mode claptrap, I chuckle uncontrollably because I knew nothing in form of scriptures could come out from from those lying fingers of yours!

Go back and read the back and forth between us and you will see your trails of lies that display a dishonest and deceitful guy who is hell-bent on trying in vain to twist words to sound half logical!

So its no longer 'God said' but now 'God sees'?
grin grin grin
I laugh in tongues!
You are still incorrigble I am seeing. My very dear overzealous dedicated fan heckler, please for the umpteeth time, when and where did you ever read me type and say: "God said" hmm? Please I will crawl over broken bottles to see this proof or evidence of me that I according to you, I typed "God said"

You made a web of lies, that is why you couldnt bring any proof, but to only twist an innocent and matured healthy discussion that was going on between bloodofthelamb and I, that you latched on and only made a dog's dinner out of. You and Shepherd00 need to be careful.

You can chuckle uncontrollably, as much as you like, nobi you get mouth, but remember who chuckles uncontrollably last, chuckles uncontrollably the best.

"Tọrọ kobo kan to yọ, jẹdijẹdi kankan o le gba lọwọ mi", loosely translated means "hell will first freeze up, before you get to see from me the narrative in the Bible where SSA relationship was not minded"
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 6:55am On Jun 22, 2019
Shepherd00:
Go ahead and invoke the power of your homosexual god on me let's see how far it can go.

A butterfly thinks himself a bird.
The fact you think its cool and acceptable to talk to a moG and God, in the way you do and continually have been doing, PROVES to me that satanism somewhere is involved. Please dont take it personal or insulting, it is just a honest observation made

Na God who said "I AM WHO I AM," you bin call homosexual god and you desecrate Him sotay, you even use a small "g" for Him, erhn Shepherd00? God, Whom bin say, is the God of everything and everybody. He is the God of all creation, so hmm, you dis nwanne Shepherd00, you wan use small hands, bin take big Hand upon yarself, right? OK oo, but when time reach, wey una go hear, when una go know say bamboo no be chewing stick, no call me ooo or bin look around for me ooo to help plead case on ya behalf for una ooo

Shepherd00:
You'd have to give one couple who was in an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible. Just one.
You all are indecisive, shying away from the lies that the facts show that terms like porneia, arsenokoites, and malakoi/malakos have absolutely nothing to do with strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that you see as homosexuals.

"A bowl of vegetables with someone you love, is better than steak, with someone you hate."
- Proverbs 15:17

Shepherd00, you and the likes of TV01, openmine, Shepherd00 and OkCornel, are reluctant to thinking in a logical and sensible way that, an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible would be a faithful, committed, truthful, caring kind, love until death do part SSA relationships and be one void of a cheating partner, void of a partner that sleeps around, void of a lustful and covetous partner, void of an emotionally manipulative partner, void of a domestic violence abusive or cruel partner, void of a partner with sexual interest in prepubescent children, void of a partner sexually involved with a minor, kids or animal(s) etcetera.

I dont know where from, it comes and why the hatred for SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships

What is to be feared of SSA persons that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships?

What is scary, evil, bad and wrong in SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, hmm?

Shepherd00:
You'd have to give one couple who was in an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible. Just one.
You sure like to run even before learning how to, in this order, first learn to crawl, walk and stroll before this running business you naively are considering. You are not ready nor worthy yet, to know, who was in an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible Shepherd00
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 6:55am On Jun 22, 2019
openmine:
Like i have always said, one of the reasons why i was interested and graced this thread was due to the insistence of the OP that he has scriptures to prove God sees nothing UNTOWARD about a consensual homosexual relationship!

Now the problem i discovered is that the OP spent valuable time either disputing scriptures that explicitly condemning homosexuality or wantonly sidestepping very predominant questions that challenged his hypothesis!

One of the questions that have lacked any convincing responses or replies were scriptures that at-least had any kind of connection or proximity that will prove God see nothing untoward about homosexual relationship(whether consensual or not)
Most of the scriptures presented so far by OP which is Matthew 19:12(which was in reference to eunuchs) and Romans 8:1-2 has absolutely no correlation or near connectivity with God's acceptance of homosexual acts!

But lets just say that there were no scripture that had any connection with homosexuality,was there an instance of homosexuality being accepted in any of the scriptures or where God directly or indirectly welcomed or accepted any SS consensual union?

However,there are more than 20 scriptures where God welcomes,accepts and loves the union of a man and a woman!

Like i have told Muttleylaff, if his postulations(Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union) were based on some logic from an acclaimed researcher or author, i would have silently left this thread because such has been debated ad infinitum!
But Op said his postulations were based on scriptures because he said and i quote......

If God said so according to OP,why is it 'next to impossible' for OP to find any scripture that has any semblance or proximity to what was said above?

Why haven't we been able to see any passage in the bible or quote from scriptures where homosexual acts or homosexual couples were permissible?


These are pertinent questions that Op must do well to adequately respond to!
No long story,no puerile dispose and no prevarication! smiley smiley
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tbh, I as usual, would have ignored this post, but in order to set the record straight and show how this poster keeps on failing to observe the limits of what is permitted and/or appropriate, I just have to do it with proofs and/or evidence, he has been unable to correctly present and correctly provide the URL link to fabricated lies he made about me, just in order for him to tarnish me and just as well to deceive others.

Openmine has a problem as you can see from the above screenshot in understanding the difference between "God sees" and "God said" The first screenshot display was from an interaction between bloodofthelamb and I, at 7:10am On Jun 07 2019, whilst the second screenshot was again between bloodofthelamb and I, but on another and later date at 5:06am On Jun 12 2019 . Everyone except openmine, can see and follow the context of the interaction between bloodofthelamb and I. People like openmine, make lawyers happy.

Can openmine now show me and all, where and when I said anything about "God said" huh? I just got tired of the Ignore Mode ON, I had to temporarily lift it, so to reiterate that, it is not like, as if, everything I type, can't be looked up in the Bible, if anyone wants to try prove me wrong. Do some research of your own, on everything you find me type on this thread, to find proof of what I am saying. Believers, should do heavy lifting too and dont be waiting, sitting and looking for other people to do work for them.

Why is openmine waiting for me, to show him passage(s) in the bible or quote from scriptures where homosexual acts or homosexual couples were permissible? Is that what this thread was set out to do ni?

I have been very generous, calm, accomodating, understanding, cool and OK about the persistent actions and cunning plans by various contributing posters, the likes of budaatum, TV01, openmine, Shepherd00 and OkCornel designed to turn this thread into another topic and issue other than deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union

His remark about "... an acclaimed researcher or author..." made me laugh. These are words said, typically to cover for one's own shortcomings, inferiority complex and inadequacy(ies). Do these his so called "an acclaimed researcher or author" have two heads? Arent they human beings just like everyone else ni?

I guess, openmine, also has not read the part of the Bible, in Psalms, that said "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise" God is no respecter of persons, He uses anyone, He uses fishermen, He uses unlearned people. God uses "non-acclaimed researcher or author" openmine

You still can silently leave this thread whenever it suits you, dont let anyone stop you, as the door is never closed or shut. It's going to always be left wide ajar open

You haven't been able to see any passage in the bible or quote from scriptures where homosexual acts or homosexual couples were permissible because you have been doing fairk all properly reading and correctly studying Bible, that's why openmine.

These are no pertinent questions that Op must do well to adequately respond to!. I owe you no pertinent questions. I am answerable to God and the genuine seeker(s) of the real truth. I did not open this thread up to suck up to yours or others whims and caprices. The minute you understand that, the better for all

Now "Ignore Mode ON" is temporarily off so we both can have a sane, meaningful, healthy and mature conversation. It is also off because I am in a happy mood, but it will pronto be activated and reverted, the moment you start again giving lip and/or making innuendos
Christianity Etc › Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op):
OkCornel:
Yes, but the question is... would a homosexual remain the same after encountering Jesus?
Perhaps we can also extend this to weed smokers, bestialists e.t.c.
"22And Judah (i.e. the people of Judah) did what was evil in the sight of the Lord,
and they provoked Him to jealousy with their sins that they committed, more than all that their fathers had done.
23For they also built for themselves high places and pillars
and Asherim (i.e. Asherah poles) on every high hill and under every green tree,
24and there were also male cult prostitutes in the land.
They did according to all the abominations of the nations that the Lord drove out before the people of Israel.
"
- 1 Kings 14:22-24

Philanderer homosexuals who enters into casual sexual relationships, potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Promiscuous homosexuals potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Homosexuals, who abuse and/or misuse "weeding smoking", potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Homosexuals, who are into fairking animals, like as in, into bestiality, potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Homosexuals, who are into having multiple partners, into sleeping around, or being monogamish, as TV01 would like to identify it or put it, potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

What else perhaps do you also want to extend this with? I asked because I am sensing, you and everyone else, so far on this thread, thinks I believe that all homosexual acts or relationships are good, no I wouldnt believe so, the same way, I wouldn't believe that all non-homosexual sexual acts or relationships are good.

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