Expanse2020:

If they real following him why there is different narrative of his death..

Someone said he died at the lately hours
Someone said he died earlier hour
Another person said he died around 9.am

One verse said he died by hanging
Another author said he was crucified but another one show pacified
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 This joke is two much

Its easy to catch a chronic liar: provide your evidence for each claim!

honesttalk21:

Let's keep the discussion about emerging from on the originating page; can we?

What is after the Baby (I did not ask about what is ABOVE the Baby)?
Is what is after the Baby the Stomach walls or Bones?

Only a confirmed LIAR will not be able to answer these Questions Truthfully!

honesttalk21:

Is there a uniform and agreed day of Sabbath with regards to activities therein?
Do those that argue for a different day or actions on the Sabbath back it up with scripture? Do those who refuse to pray back it up with the Quran? Give examples and stop shooting in the deep.

See how you struggle to force your point. Reread your question on Hadith.

The contents of the sunnah are however expressed through the Prophet’s own words or actions. In the case of the Quran, the Angel Gabriel brought the exact wording and contents to the Prophet, who received this as revelation and then announced it, in the very same manner that he received it.


There are imperfections in translation for valid reason.

وَإِنَّ مِنۡهُمۡ لَفَرِیقࣰا یَلۡوُۥنَ أَلۡسِنَتَهُم بِٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ لِتَحۡسَبُوهُ مِنَ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنَ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ وَیَقُولُونَ هُوَ مِنۡ عِندِ ٱللَّهِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنۡ عِندِ ٱللَّهِ وَیَقُولُونَ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ ٱلۡكَذِبَ وَهُمۡ یَعۡلَمُونَ

And indeed, among them is a group who distort their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and He says It is from God, but it is not from God, and they say a lie about God while they know it.

Distort the tongues in context means those who reject the message of the Quran and seek to distort its teachings.

Gish gallops will not be entertained. Focus on a question and have it fully addressed before bringing in others

You can see how I answered ALL your questions in detail: because the truth fear NOTHING!

Your claim is that the Bible is corrupted isn't it?

Why dont you answer mine in detail. For I never argued for or against the Jews not observing the sabbath ( as I have no evidence to that effect). Even if SOME of the Jews did NOT observe the sabbath, does that mean that they have corrupted the Torah or they are not obeying the Torah?

AGAIN:


If a group transgressed in the matter of Sabbath, does it mean they corrupt their Toran or they did not obey the torah?
If a group of Muslims did not pray five times a day nor fast during ramadan, have they corrupted the Quran?


Are you aware of the talmud of the Jews?
Is it the Torah?
If any Muslim say that the Hadith Qudsi is from Allah, have they distorted the Quran?


If a group of people twist their tongues when reading the Quran, have they corrupted the Quran?
From the Hadith referencing this,
Was the Torah corrupted or covered?
Mishkat al-Masabih 3559
‘Abdallah b. ‘Umar told that the Jews came to God’s Messenger and mentioned to him that a man and a woman of their number had committed fornication. He asked them what they found in the Torah about stoning and they replied that they should disgrace them and that they should be beaten. ‘Abdallah b. Salam then said, “You lie; it contains instruction that they should be stoned to death, so bring the Torah.” They spread it out, and one of them put his hand over the verse of stoning and read what preceded it and what followed it. 'Abdallah b. Salam told him to lift his hand and when he did so the verse of stoning was seen to be in it. They then said, “He has spoken the truth, Muhammad; the verse of stoning is in it.” The Prophet then gave command regarding them and they were stoned to death. In a version it says that he told him to lift his hand and that when he did so the verse of stoning was clearly in it. The man then said, “It contains the verse of stoning, Muhammad, but we have been concealing it from one another.” He then gave command regarding them and they were stoned to death.
(Bukhari and Muslim.)

When Muslims translate the Quran into English and they seem not to agree in their writing, have they corrupted the Quran?

In Quran 10:15 , is allah saying that some people have changed the Quran? Just like the accusation in Quran 5:12 you quoted above?
Quran 10:15
And when Our clear revelations are recited unto them, they who look not for the meeting with Us say: Bring a Lecture other than this, or change it. Say (O Muhammad): It is not for me to change it of my accord. I only follow that which is inspired in me. Lo! if I disobey my Lord I fear the retribution of an awful Day.


Please respond to my questions
1. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 4:47
” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you”

2. Is this scripture true
Quran 2:89
” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them”

3. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 5:68
“Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel”

Speaking about the corruption of the Quran:
Is the Quran perfectly preserved?

Expanse2020:

Please who is lying among the mark, Paul and John
How could Paul said he went to heaven after 40days
Then mark will said he went to heaven after 3rd days
Then John will said after 8days..
And maganline saw Jesus in the third after he was buried not after 3rd days again

I am learning all these for the first time from Pastor Expanse2020 (the Taqqiya Pastor)

Can you please provide bible verses supporting all these? ( I will surely be grateful)


You that know the TRUTH can surely answer these simple questions for me instead of dodging it like one who is about to fart!
Can you first explain
1. Why Allah deceived Mary the mother of Jesus with all his Apostles and the Disciples of Jesus?
2. Who was crucified instead of Jesus?
3. Did Jesus go to heaven in secret or in the presence of at least one person? Who was this person?

Expanse2020:


You can lie óò
When the bible said they all forsook him
They fled away (Japa) when they drag your lord all the desciples Japa straight.....and you are Summering nonsense here brain far from you guy

And there was not one single evidence of some returning to follow him?

Do you know about Jesus's interaction with Peter?
Do you know about Jesus's interaction with John?
Do you know about Jesus's interaction with Mary (His Mother)?

Sahih Muslim 1637 c
Ibn Abbas reported:
When Allah's Messenger was about to leave this world, there were persons (around him) in his house, 'Umar b. al-Kbattab being one of them. Allah's Apostle said: Come, I may write for you a document; you would not go astray after that. Thereupon Umar said: Verily Allah's Messenger is deeply afflicted with pain. You have the Qur'an with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us. Those who were present in the house differed. Some of them said: Bring him (the writing material) so that Allah's Messenger may write a document for you and you would never go astray after him And some among them said what 'Umar had (already) said. When they indulged in nonsense and began to dispute in the presence of Allah's Messenger, he said: Get up (and go away) 'Ubaidullah said: Ibn Abbas used to say: There was a heavy loss, indeed a heavy loss, that, due to their dispute and noise. Allah's Messenger could not write (or dictate) the document for them.


This is a Sahih Hadith or is it Fabricated as usual of you Muslims?

In this hadith, Can Mohammed not read and write?


Do you need more evidence?

Expanse2020:

Show me the Arabic word use for( write) in the hadiths you paste here😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Olodo bring it ou

Go to Sunnah.com, you will find the Arabic for Sahih Muslim 1637 c

Are you jittery?
Do you need more Evidence?

honesttalk21:


Surah Az-Zukhruf (Chapter 43), verse 61, alludes to the descent of Jesus

Focus and stop gish galloping. This is a grappling technique of yours. Face the issue don't bring distractions.

You didnt answer any question I asked as usual and the quran you quoted said NOTHING about Jesus descending from Heaven

Quran 43:61
And indeed, Jesus will be knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path.

You can quote the Arabic and let us check word by word


Then if Your claim is that Jesus was take to heaven like Elijah and Enoch is true, then please answer these THREE questions below
1. When Jesus was taken to heaven, was it in secret or it was in the presence of Mary, His mother, any of the Apostles or any of the Disciples? (As the Christians knew exactly how Jesus went to heaven)

2. Explain
How do you think Jesus forgot to say
"Peace on me the
i. day I was born, and
ii. the day I will be taken to heaven, and
iii. the day I will descend from heaven and
iv. the day I shall die and
v. the day I shall be raised alive!

3. Note that
i. Is it true that: Mohammed would be the first to be raised up on the day of resurrection (not Jesus)
ii. There is nothing special with the resurrection of Jesus within Islam (Isa's resurrection is not different from any other persons resurrection)
So, what is special with the day Jesus is raised from the dead?

(Please give me supporting quotes from either the Quran or the Hadiths or the Tafsirs or from any Sira of your religion

AntiChristian:

Christian theology? Which of the death is applicable to Enoch? And where did God define each of the deaths in your Bible?

Enoch did not die a physical death

AntiChristian:

Death in Hebrew is just death and so stop telling lies here! Abeg!

This is why Jesus corrected them several times of their lack of understanding of the scripture.
Three kinds of death in Christianity

AntiChristian:

Our belief is that Faith (Iman) increase and reduces! And that's spirituality!

Can you see how ignorant your response is!?
What has this got to do with any SPIRIT to be called spirituality?

AntiChristian:

You are wrong! The word (mutawaffi) in the Arabic text is from (tawaffa) which literally means "to take and to receive" and "to seize the soul" is not its lexical but metaphorical meaning. Here it means "to recall from mission." Allah recalled Jesus because the Israelites had rejected him in spite of the clear Signs he had brought. They had been disobeying God for centuries and, in spite of many a warning and admonition served to them, their national character was rapidly deteriorating. You are even adding the pronoun to it but not including it in your interpretation as mutawaffeeka! And Jesus was raised body and soul!

If the soul of anyone is seized, is it not DEATH?
Islam with LIES is indistinguishable!

AntiChristian:

This is still clear. Jesus didn't die yet. He will still die and be raised like all of us!

Qur'an 4:157-158
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]
But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All­Powerful, All­Wise.

Qur'an 43:61 Jesus coming back will be a sign for the end time.
And he ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)] shall be a known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (Day of Resurrection) [i.e. 'Iesa's (Jesus) descent on the earth] . Therefore have no doubt concerning it (i.e. the Day of Resurrection). And follow Me (Allah) (i.e. be obedient to Allah and do what He orders you to do, O mankind)! This is the Straight Path (of Islamic Monotheism, leading to Allah and to His Paradise).

Good!
Then answer these
1. In whose presence was Jesus taken to heaven? (At least Christians knew exactly what happened)

2. How do you think Jesus forgot to say
"Peace on me the
a. day I was born, and
b. the day I will be taken to heaven die, and
c. the day I will descend from heaven and
d. the day I shall die and
e. the day I shall be raised alive!
Are you saying it is trivial and normal to be taken to heaven or to descend from heaven?

3. Did Allah in the Quran forget that Jesus will descend again from heaven or not?

AntiChristian:


God said Adam will die but he didn't die!

Where exactly did your God explain the death?

He died a spiritual death!
Unfortunately, one who doesn't understand what a spirit is cannot comprehend spiritual death>

Did Allah explain death in the Quran?



On a Serious note:
What is a Spirit (before we start defining spirituality)?

You did label the backbone which is L1-L5 (the Lumbar Vertebrae)
In the front of the Lumbar vertebrae is the Baby (Fotus)
What is after the Baby (I did not ask about what is ABOVE the Baby)?
Is what is after the Baby the Stomach walls or Bones?

Only a confirmed LIAR will not be able to answer these Questions Truthfully!

honesttalk21:

What do these verses mean regarding the belief in the Gospel of Isa which was not given in a way preserved as a book and former scripture.

1. And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath … although a group of them used to hear the word of Allah, and then, having understood it, used to distort it knowingly’ [2:65-75]

If a group transgressed in the matter of Sabbath, does it mean they corrupt their Toran or they did not obey the torah?
If a group of Muslims did not pray five times a day nor fast during ramadan, have they corrupted the Quran?

honesttalk21:

‘So, woe to those who write the Book with their hands and then say, “This is from Allah”, so that they may gain thereby a trifling price. Then, woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn.’ [2:78]

Are you aware of the talmud of the Jews?
Is it the Torah?
If any Muslim say that the Hadith Qudsi is from Allah, have they distorted the Quran?

honesttalk21:

‘Among them there is indeed a group who twist their tongues while (reading) the Book, so that you may deem it to be from the Book, while it is not from the Book. They say, “It is from Allah”, while it is not from Allah; and they tell lies about Allah knowingly.’ [3:78]
‘When Allah took a pledge from those who were given the Book: “You shall make it known to people, and you shall not conceal it,” they threw it away behind their backs, and acquired a small price for it. So, evil is what they acquire.’ [3:187]

‘They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them. But bear with them and pardon them. Lo! Allah loveth the kindly.’ [5:12]

If a group of people twist their tongues when reading the Quran, have they corrupted the Quran?
From the Hadith referencing this,
Was the Torah corrupted or covered?
Mishkat al-Masabih 3559
‘Abdallah b. ‘Umar told that the Jews came to God’s Messenger and mentioned to him that a man and a woman of their number had committed fornication. He asked them what they found in the Torah about stoning and they replied that they should disgrace them and that they should be beaten. ‘Abdallah b. Salam then said, “You lie; it contains instruction that they should be stoned to death, so bring the Torah.” They spread it out, and one of them put his hand over the verse of stoning and read what preceded it and what followed it. 'Abdallah b. Salam told him to lift his hand and when he did so the verse of stoning was seen to be in it. They then said, “He has spoken the truth, Muhammad; the verse of stoning is in it.” The Prophet then gave command regarding them and they were stoned to death. In a version it says that he told him to lift his hand and that when he did so the verse of stoning was clearly in it. The man then said, “It contains the verse of stoning, Muhammad, but we have been concealing it from one another.” He then gave command regarding them and they were stoned to death.
(Bukhari and Muslim.)

When Muslims translate the Quran into English and they seem not to agree in their writing, have they corrupted the Quran?

In Quran 10:15 , is allah saying that some people have changed the Quran? Just like the accusation in Quran 5:12 you quoted above?
Quran 10:15
And when Our clear revelations are recited unto them, they who look not for the meeting with Us say: Bring a Lecture other than this, or change it. Say (O Muhammad): It is not for me to change it of my accord. I only follow that which is inspired in me. Lo! if I disobey my Lord I fear the retribution of an awful Day.


Please respond to my questions
1. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 4:47
” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you”

2. Is this scripture true
Quran 2:89
” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them”

3. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 5:68
“Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel”

Speaking about the corruption of the Quran:
Is the Quran perfectly preserved?

honesttalk21:


You highlighted in Yellow (مُتَوَفِّيكَ) and gave some of the various meanings. Which one is applicable, where and how? Did Enoch and Elijah experience completely taking up?

It was your quotation sir

honesttalk21:

Jesus saying peace be on him the day he dies as a baby is testimony of faith that he will surely die but he hasn't experienced this yet.
Will he descend from heaven? Yes he will.
When will this be? Will this be before or after he dies?
Will he be raised back to life like everyone at a later time for the beginning of the afterlife in heaven or hell?

These will address your questions once you answer them appropriately.

Check the underlined : Allah never once said that Jesus will descend from Heaven.

Then if Your claim is that Jesus was take to heaven like Elijah and Enoch is true, then please answer these THREE questions below
1. When Jesus was taken to heaven, was it in secret or it was in the presence of Mary, His mother, any of the Apostles or any of the Disciples? (As the Christians knew exactly how Jesus went to heaven)

2. Explain
How do you think Jesus forgot to say
"Peace on me the
i. day I was born, and
ii. the day I will be taken to heaven, and
iii. the day I will descend from heaven and
iv. the day I shall die and
v. the day I shall be raised alive!

3. Note that
i. Is it true that: Mohammed would be the first to be raised up on the day of resurrection (not Jesus)
ii. There is nothing special with the resurrection of Jesus within Islam (Isa's resurrection is not different from any other persons resurrection)
So, what is special with the day Jesus is raised from the dead?

(Please give me supporting quotes from either the Quran or the Hadiths or the Tafsirs or from any Sira of your religion

Procashtips:


Refer to my response to another person that quoted the Bible as his own "evidence".

Did I tell you I am Quoting from the Bible?

Can you not find this information online?
Google is your friend!

I see you cant answer even simple questions!

hayzedibd:

.....imagine , May Allah guide you to the right path, the path of jesus(PBUH)

Unfortunately, the Taqiyya of Islam has blinded you to the Truth of the Messiah!
His purpose was to make you Qualified to enter paradise because not one single human being is qualified because we have the nature of sin (just like a pig has the nature of filth).

If only you can ask questions and think with the brain that God has given you with prayers to the Creator of the Heavens and that earth, He will have mercy on your soul.

As of now, what Allah himself guarantee you in the Quran is Hell fire!

I mean well for you sir!

I am so sorry I've not been able to respond to this. There was a particular post that earned me almost three days of ban by the Nairaland spambots

Almunjid:

Stop deceiving urself. Allah is the same as Jehovah the God of Abraham, Moses and other prophets. That's why Islam, Christianity and Judaism are called Abrahamic religion.

Allah used "I", "We" and "Ur Lord" interchangeably in the Quran.
Allah says in the Quran:
In the Torah We prescribed for them a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, an equal wound for a wound: if anyone forgoes this out of charity, it will serve as atonement for his bad deeds. Those who do not judge according to what God has revealed are doing grave wrong. [Quran 5:45, Abdul Haleem Translation]

Allah described Himself as:
"The Lord of Moses and Aaron". [Quran 7:122]

He also referred to Abraham as His faithful and obedient servant:

And remember Our Servants, Ibrahim (Abraham), Ishaque (Isaac), and Ya'qub (Jacob), (all) owners of strength (in worshipping Us) and (also) of religious understanding. [Quran 38:45]

Surely Ibrahim (Abraham) was an exemplar, obedient to Allah, upright, and he was not of the polytheists. [Quran 16:120]

Then We revealed to you (Muhammad): Follow the faith of Ibrahim (Abraham), the upright one, and he was not of the polytheists. [Quran 16:123]


Shalom!

Anyone can claim anything and it doesn't make it valid sir!
If I call myself the President of Nigeria, does it make it true and valid?
If Allah calls himself the God of Abraham, and Moses and Yahaya, it doesnt make it true because none of these people were on earth to prove or disprove it.

We all know that Allah was worshipped by the pre-islamic Arabs as their God and you will agree with me that Abdullah, the father of your prophet was not a believer yet his name mean "Servant of Allah". So, how can the Allah of Mohammed be the same God of Abraham?

The name of the God of Moses, David, Zachariah, Mary, Yahaya etc is Yahweh (YHWH).
Is Allah YHWH?
Do you Muslims worship Yahweh? ,
How come none of the 99 names of Allah is Yahweh?

The character of Yahweh in the Scripture of the Jews and Christians is completely different in nature from the Allah of Muhammad.

Can you please answer this Question:
Is Allah a Spirit?
Note: Yahweh is a Spirit!

honesttalk21:


SirTee15 what does it meanI in context to be a slave of Allah?

To be a slave of Allah in Islam is to submit oneself entirely to the will of Allah, acknowledging His sovereignty and authority over all aspects of life. This concept is central to the Islamic faith and carries profound implications for the beliefs, actions, and mindset of a Muslim. It is not slavery in the horrific way most humanity has it.

It entails complete submission to the commands and guidance of Allah as outlined in the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This submission encompasses all facets of life, including personal conduct, worship, relationships, and decision-making. It involves aligning one’s will with that of Allah and striving to live in accordance with His divine guidance.

Surrendering Personal Desires and inclinations to prioritize the fulfillment of Allah’s commandments which involves exercising self-discipline, resisting temptations that contradict Islamic principles, and prioritizing obedience to Allah over worldly pursuits.

Servitude and Devotion to Allah alone while cultivating a deep sense of gratitude, reverence, and love for Allah, recognizing His mercy, compassion, and wisdom. This devotion is expressed through acts of worship such as prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage.

Acceptance; though there may not be too much choice here, that everything that occurs is by the will and leave of Allah and trusting in His wisdom even in times of adversity or uncertainty. It fosters resilience, patience, and reliance on Allah’s guidance in navigating life’s challenges.

Being a slave of Allah necessitates upholding ethical conduct, justice, and compassion in dealings with others. It involves treating fellow human beings with kindness, fairness, and empathy while adhering to the principles of honesty, integrity, and social responsibility.

The phrase “child of God” is often used in religious and spiritual contexts to describe a person’s relationship with the divine. In Christianity, being a child of God is a metaphorical concept that signifies a close, intimate, and familial connection between an individual and God.

Is this not complying with the covenant and thus following the commands, worshipping and upholding righteous conduct as prescribed by God?

Islam doesn't support this as the position and reverence of Allah is so much. It cannot to be reduced to having or likening a relationship of father and child. Allah is far above all this.

Jesus (Isa a.s) never called Allah his father.

@SirTee15
Tenq had been blundering by my observations on the positions of baby; it appears you missed being mentioned

Indeed, If you believe God is your Father, then you have left Islam.

Secondly,
How do you know that Jesus never called God Father or its a hope you have so that it can confirm to Islam.

Both Allah and your prophet believed in the Gospel that show that Jesus called God Father and gave us his followers to be son's of God. Hence Christians have God as their Father.

Unfortunately, you are a Slave of Allah and it doesn't bother you why the Almighty God would need a feeble you as a slave. What can you do to help God if He is Omnipotent and Omnipresent?

Finally, only an ignorant person or a wilful liar will say that the Uterus is between the rib cage and the backbone instead of the lungs and the heart.

AntiChristian:


Nonsense as usual!

Check up there!

You think I am disturbed by you clinging on to the Taqqiya of satan? It is a spiritual thing my friend. Why is it that the average Muslim will tell undefencible lies just to defend Allah and his prophet Mohammed?

You all have this mantra that says:
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind

My duty is to show you the truth for God cannot lie nor commit errors!
Hopefully, one day, you will acknowledge the truth and seek the Messiah for the Salvation of your soul.

AntiChristian:


Permit me to answer your question with another question from your Bible. When the biblical God said Adam will die when he eats the apple, was he meant to die immediately?

When exactly after then did Adam die after that incident?

Jesus will later die and be raised up for judgement just like all of us!

That death is different from being raised up body and soul! He hasn't died yet according to our texts!

Unfortunately, death in Christian theology is of three types
Physical Death: Your Body disconnected from the union of your Soul and Spirit
Spiritual Death: When you are spiritually disconnected from God
Second Death: What a person Body, Soul and Spirit is eternally disconnected from God in a prison called the Lake of Fire

Every Christian understand that Adam and Eve were instantly spiritually disconnected from God and thus got a nature alien to God. We were all born with this image of Adam and Eve.

So, eventually as a consequence of their being cut off from God's spirit, they got a body that is subject to weakness and death.

Of course, Islam does NOT know any concept of spiritual death (because you can't even define what a spirit is) therefore your example for similarity with the Bible doesn't work.

Now,
The word mutawaffeeka (متوفيك) means "cause to die" in the context of Jesus

and it is supported by
Qur'an 3:55
Lo! God said: "O Jesus! Verily,
I shall cause thee to die,
and
shall exalt thee unto Me,
and cleanse thee of [the presence of] those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall place those who follow thee [far] above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the Day of Resurrection. In the end, unto Me you all must return, and I shall judge between you with regard to all on which you were wont to differ

Please look at the sequence Jesus has to die before being lifted up.

Secondly,

Qur'an 19:33
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!

Can you note the same sequence : death before being raised.

Unfortunately, Islamic Taqqiya will not allow you to see that Qur'an 19:33 conflict with your Islamic eschatology with respect to Jesus.

How do you think Jesus forgot to say
"Peace on me the
1. day I was born, and
2. the day I will be taken to heaven die, and
3. the day I will descend from heaven and
4. the day I shall die and
5. the day I shall be raised alive!

See how Islamic Taqqiya complicated that which is extremely simple!

Would this revision above not have explained properly your Islamic eschatology of Jesus

Expanse2020:

Show us

Sahih Muslim 1637 c
Ibn Abbas reported:
When Allah's Messenger was about to leave this world, there were persons (around him) in his house, 'Umar b. al-Kbattab being one of them. Allah's Apostle said: Come, I may write for you a document; you would not go astray after that. Thereupon Umar said: Verily Allah's Messenger is deeply afflicted with pain. You have the Qur'an with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us. Those who were present in the house differed. Some of them said: Bring him (the writing material) so that Allah's Messenger may write a document for you and you would never go astray after him And some among them said what 'Umar had (already) said. When they indulged in nonsense and began to dispute in the presence of Allah's Messenger, he said: Get up (and go away) 'Ubaidullah said: Ibn Abbas used to say: There was a heavy loss, indeed a heavy loss, that, due to their dispute and noise. Allah's Messenger could not write (or dictate) the document for them.


This is a Sahih Hadith or is it Fabricated as usual of you Muslims?

In this hadith, Can Mohammed not read and write?


Do you need more evidence?

So sorry for the late response. There was a particular response to a post that kept getting me banned (today make the seventh time)

honesttalk21:


Is it a fact that the Jews indeed killed many prophets?

Is it a fact that Elijah was in danger as Ahab and Jezebel killed many prophets?

Is it a lie that Elijah was saved from the killing by getting taken up to the heavens by a chariot?

Now if Elijah was saved from a humilating death why not Jesus?

Quran 3:55 states that Allah raised Jesus to Himself. It does not mention anything about Allah killing Jesus.

The Arabic word “mutawaffeeka” (مُتَوَفِّيكَ) is pf the root word, “tawaffa” (توفّى), which has multiple meanings in Arabic, including “to cause to die,” “to take in full,” or “to complete.” In the context of this verse , use of “mutawaffeeka” does not necessarily imply death but rather refers to a different form of taking or completing. It is Allah taking Jesus in a special manner without experiencing death. Similar to Elijah and Enoch

Also, the phrase “wa rafi’uka ilayya” (وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَىَّ) is also significant. It is translated as “and raise you to Myself.” This raising is understood to mean an elevation in status and honor rather than physical ascension. This interpretation aligns with the belief that Jesus was not crucified but was instead raised to the heavens without experiencing death.

Attn. MightySparrow

The word mutawaffeeka (متوفيك) means "cause to die" in the context of Jesus

and it is supported by
Qur'an 3:55
Lo! God said: "O Jesus! Verily,
I shall cause thee to die,
and
shall exalt thee unto Me,
and cleanse thee of [the presence of] those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall place those who follow thee [far] above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the Day of Resurrection. In the end, unto Me you all must return, and I shall judge between you with regard to all on which you were wont to differ



Please look at the sequence Jesus has to die before being lifted up.

Secondly,

Qur'an 19:33
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!


Can you note the same sequence : death before being raised.

Unfortunately, Islamic Taqqiya will not allow you to see that Qur'an 19:33 conflict with your Islamic eschatology wit respect to Jesus.

Finally, you were the one who defined mutawaffeeka as


The Arabic word “mutawaffeeka” (مُتَوَفِّيكَ) is pf the root word, “tawaffa” (توفّى), which has multiple meanings in Arabic, including “to cause to die,” “to take in full,” or “to complete.”


It is easy to see how the proper translation of mutawaffeeka solves the conflict that would have existed with Qur'an 19:33 and Qur'an 3:55


How do you think Jesus forgot to say
"Peace on me the
1. day I was born, and
2. the day I will be taken to heaven die, and
3. the day I will descend from heaven and
4. the day I shall die and
5. the day I shall be raised alive!

See how Islamic Taqqiya complicated that which is extremely simple!

Procashtips:


Palestine and king in one sentence?

Oh lord!

Who was the first king of Israel?
King Saul (1021–1000 BC)

In same respect I ask you: who was the first king of the Palestinians?

So, again : do you know the first king of the people called the Palestinians?
To trace a history of a people, this is the kind of questions to ask!


Or the Palestinians never had a king?

Okay, who was their first leader in history and when?

You should be able to answer this simple question!

Procashtips:


With no nation yet they had government, Flag and everything?

Tell me another thing

Who was the king of the Palestinians?
I am sure you will know the history of their caliphate?

I hope you are not mixing the Philistines with the Palestinians?

Zigiblaze:
So you were taught, gabbage in gabbage out. Clap for yourself.

Classic statement for someone with empty skull

Dsimmer:
I like the idea of banning speculators. Best way to crash it is to employ Ethiopia law which is to Ban all BDC and speculators. Anyone found violating it should be jailed and get their funds seized!

This is not the problem o: they are just trying to witch hunt so buy time.

TWO things:
1. Out Crude oil HAD been sold into the future and the dollar accruing has been spent: Thanks to the former administration.

In other words, we are selling (without collecting further payments) the crude for which the money had been already spent.

2. Nigeria is a consumer nation. We import virtually everything we need. We can't even survive without foreign goods both as raw materials and finished products. This puts a lot of demand on the dollar

Yes, there is speculation, but it is a minor part of the problem. Even me, I keep my savings in dollars and not in Naira : Why?
Because of the clueless nature of our government, the Naira will consistently fall against the dollar: therefore only a fool will store his money in Naira over a long time.

Let's assume government take all the dollars in domiciliary accounts and flood the market : What happens after 3 Months when we exhaust spending the money?

Back to square ONE!?

seunjungle1:
That exact what Mr president should do....change their dollars to naira at the rate of 300 naira to 1dollar.
Their eyes go clear sharp sharp

dipset01:


He is speaking the truth, many nigerians now keep money in dorm account, which is also parrt of the problem we have today, let them close all dorm account. give people the naira equivalent

gbazango:
E easy like that??

Procashtips:


This one wan put mouth for wetin e no understand again.

The image below is of Jews being welcomed to Palestine.

BTW, the Palestinians had official seaport, flag, sport teams, government, airport, ambassadors etc prior to when the image below was taken

Note:
As of 1948, the so-called Palestinians is a mixture of Jews and Arabs with no nation.
In 1948 the influx of the displaced Jews from especially Europe began to come back to the place now called Israel.
At a point All Ethnic Jews vacated the whole of Gaza and relocated westward leaving Gaza region to become 100% Arab occupied.

The three Arab-Isreal wars gave more land (of the old territory of Israel) back to the Jews. In each of these wars, the Arabs were the aggressors

Expanse2020:

Na you teach am
Na you put am for school
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What if I show you from your religious books that Mohammed can both read and write?

Will you acknowledge that you've been misled to believe the contrary?

honesttalk21:


I never mentioned cervical vertebrae and ask if the coccyx is or isn't part of the backbone or vetebral column.

Even the lumbar vertebrae is adjacent to the womb at full term and can be described as a crucial element in the support and mobility of the female body during pregnancy. These vertebrae, specifically the lower back region, play a significant role in accommodating the expanding uterus and providing stability and flexibility to the spine.

At full term, the lumbar vertebrae experience considerable changes due to the growth and development of the fetus. As the baby grows, the uterus expands in size, putting pressure on the surrounding structures, including the lumbar vertebrae. This increased load on the lumbar region can lead to discomfort, pain, and changes in the overall posture of the expectant mother.


It also functions as an insertion point of some of the muscles of the pelvic floor. A woman’s coccyx may be broken during a complicated childbirth.

If you Like, add the Cervical vertebrae (C-C5), the Thoracic (T1-T12) and the Lumbar vertebrae (L1-L5) and the Coccyx or tailbone together as the back bone, it changes nothing as the baby fotus doesn't stay between the rib bones and the backbone (T1-T12).
The fotus stays between the external stomach wall and the Lumbar vertebrae L1-L5

Expanse2020:

But as christian you confused yourself because you forgot that Muhammed (S.a.w) is not educated, so how can he wrote a world wide book🤣🤣🤣🤣

Another lie!
Mohammed can read and write sir!

Why is your religion so full of lies?

Expanse2020:

There is different between what you changed yourself and what is in the Quran

And Maryam (Mary) daughter of Imran, who kept safe her private parts (Vagina) so We breathed into her WOMB (vagina) of Our Spirit, and she sincerely (believed) in the Words of her Lord, and His Books; and she was one of the devout.[/i]

So what you did to your bible editing it anyhow we don't do that here...and also your bible said curse be to those that alter the book of God
Gbam!!!!

Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢


What is the meaning of THIS : فَرْجَهَا
And What is THIS: فِيهِ

Is فَرْجَهَا the same as SLEEVE?

Quran 66:12
And Maryam (Mary) daughter of Imran, who kept safe her Vagina/Vulva so We breathed in it of Our Spirit, and she sincerely (believed) in the Words of her Lord, and His Books; and she was one of the devout.

Expanse2020:

But bible said the word of God cannot be alter by man..
So how come the man wrote the word of God, if God established he wrote book for us and no man shall alter it.
But some people actually writing the word of God

God did NOT write any book!

Only in Islam is the Quran said to be the verbatim words of Allah!

Have you read either the Torah or the Zabur or the Injeel before?
Do they bear semblance to it being written directly by God!?

Mohammed thought that because the Jews and Christians call their book the word of God, it means that it was dictated or written by God!

Expanse2020:

Am not confusing you but you already confused yourself by your statement 🤣🤣🤣🤣

It is about you who doesn't want to be confused with the truth because you have already made up your mind!

A muslim with see an obvious Truth but reject it because it doesn't align with the Islamic standard narrative

honesttalk21:


Use it to show please.

Is the coccyx not part of the backbone because it is distal and terminates? Are other parts of the womb housing the baby not adjacent to the lumbar vertebrae?

Not ALL the Lumbar vertebrae is the backbone.

For instance, the cervical vertebrae is not considered as part of the back bone but it is part of the vertebral column.

If you want to add the coccyx as part of the backbone, it still doesn't change the argument