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I have enjoyed cap28 and kobojunkie so far. I think a honest synthesis of your views will better capture the Nigerian scenario and help forge a new direction. To my mind your points are not mutually exclusive as you guys would want it. Cap28’s point is purely in line with the dependency school in economic development where resources flow from a "periphery" of poor and underdeveloped states to a "core" of wealthy states, enriching the latter at the expense of the former. It is evident that this cannot thrive without the help of local collaborators . We all know that economic interest was/is key to all that the British did (and still doing) in Nigeria. From the sizing of regions to revenue sharing formula, and the civil war. However, kobojunkie’s point makes it clear that we have to take responsibility and move on. If we must tell ourselves the truth there are lots of problems we are faced with that are self inflicted. Hence a sincere way to start will be to sort these ones out first and see what is left. |
The clown was just caught on camera sleeping yesterday while his mates were deliberating on "national issues". May be he was downloading a fresh glossary of his "ALUTA" vocabs. |
fayahsoul:Advice: please do some more research before you post here again . Your errors are pardoned anyway. |
naijaking1:Yes you are correct but I doubt if the mistakes of the then Eastern Govt ( ojukwu) have been corrected. With some better regard for the minorities in the East then, we would have had a win-win situation for all. The Ijaws arguably have only fared marginally better and the Ibos do not have a better story after the civil war. We all know this. If the truth be told we (nigerians) generally have little regard for people on the other side of the divide (tribal,religious) and this has been our bane. Whenever we learn that there are atleast 2 valid ways of telling any story then right concessions will been made and change will come. A honest appraisal of what the right decision would be if roles were switched between the Ibos and the minorities in the then Eastern region is not a bad way to start. |
Ibime:painfully my broda and it happened just about when onlytruth got involvded in the discuss. |
Dede1:Kool man. its alright. Dede1:Na wa o. At least I am learning how to manage a not-too-good case from you. I asked a simple question on the british definition of the Niger Delta . Your response was a scant reference to anything Ijaw, purely against established understanding, this would at best pass for your own definition of the Niger delta. May be from your travels. I asked for confirmation and you gave an 'algebraic' epxression that should serve as clue for me to decipher. I fear you. ehhh |
Onlytruth:I think you are by far wiser than ojukwu. Onlytruth:Really, ? So Nigeria was a contraption save the eastern region? The british did everything to amalgamate the north and south for business, later the south was broken into east and west to place the north in a vantage position numerically and politically. But in the case of the eastern region it was british wisdom abi? Ol boy a little more honesty will be labour saving you know? |
The illitracy level in the north is a weapon used by the elites to weild the direction of National politics. Only a few know whats happening , others just follow without asking why? |
vigasimple:Simple and correct. |
snowdrops:oga u dey harsh o. I no get ur time abeg. I have made my point. |
@dede1 I asked : Please as the "historian" of the house kindly explain the makeup (demograhic and geographic) of the Niger delta as designed by the british and explain how the Ijaws were not major players? and your response is: For a starter, the delta created by the Rivers Benue, Niger, Imo, Anambra, Urashi and Utamiri popularly referred as Niger Delta covers the area with rough estimate of 23,000 square miles. Am I correct? |
I just hope this joke doesnt get back to the federal house next term. What use is all these grammar when other reps do not understand? When he talks now his mates just laugh and move on. It is only in a country like nigeria that people like this are celebrated. I think he needs a mental check-up. |
Dede1:I hope you are not under immense pressure to function in this your self-appointed role of trying to hide the truth. You can still make your point without sounding abusive you know? Dede1:This man dey make me laugh. chei. ![]() Please as the "historian" of the house kindly explain the makeup (demograhic and geographic) of the Niger delta as designed by the british and explain how the Ijaws were not major players? You have consitently made attempts at denying what is glaringly true at every occassion. It is either a case of mischeavously understating the returns from crude oil at the start of the civil war , or that the Akassa war of 1895 being as a result of elimination of Ijaw middlemen in palm produce trade and the actual producers being Ibos. At some point you have maginified the drops of oil found in Owerri and Ikot ekpene before it was discovered in commercially viable quantity in oloibiri. Then used this unsuccesful oil exploration activities in owerri as a platform to ask " where were the ijaws and Boro when oil was struke in Owerri?" No one is fooled. You are really working hard to sell this your theory of economic depedence of the ijaws on ibos before crude was discovered. You are really very funny but note that all this mass of unrelated historical tales, can not derail me from my points in this discuss. Which are: 1. Adaka Boro to Ijaws is (if not more than) what Ojukwu is to the Ibos. If Ojukwu is the HERO of ndigbo, same applies to Boro in Ijawland. 2. Before crude oil was discovered Ijaws have a rich history of economical viable agro based activities. Hence were not economically reliant and that at best the Ibos were economic partners. In your response kindly highlight parts of my posts you have a problem with . This will make it easier for better clarification. |
naijaking1:Even if your story of abandoned property is true (which i doubt), It still is not a related premise upon which Adaka boro should be demonised or your theory of ijaw depedence pursued. If your brothers abandoned property dey port harcourt , then ask ikwere people , wetin be ijaw man own inside? |
@dede1 & niajaking1 The Niger Delta was colonized by Britain because of her resources in palm produce. The colonization was in two phases, the informal and formal periods. The informal period, 1843-1900, started at Badagry at the Methodist Manse. It was first nurtured by a Methodist priest, Reverend Thomas Birch Freeman, 164 who appealed to Governor George Maclean of the Gold Coast to extend the British Protectorate to Badagry, where he was stationed. As a result, the informal period came into being in 1843, with Sergeant Bart, a Fante soldier, at the head. Their policies were two fold. First, was to abolish slave trade and enable the Atlantic Trade in palm oil flourish. Second, was to halt the French in Dahomey from encroaching on the Niger Delta through Badagry. As these were going on, a gunboat was stationed at Fernando Po with Colonel Edward Nicolls in charge. 3 In 1849, Britain took steps to colonize the Niger Delta palm produce resources for her Industrial Revolution. Her Majesty’s Government divided the Niger Delta into two bights, Bights of Benin and Bonny (Biafra), with John Beecroft as the sole Consul. Between 1849 and 1885, the Badagry end of the Western Delta transformed into the Lagos Colony in 1861, while the entire Niger Delta was renamed ‘Oil Rivers Protectorate’ in 1885, to forestall the Germans in Cameroon from reaching the Niger Delta through Calabar. With the English expansion into the hinterland, they keep changing the name of the Niger Delta as their politics demand, from the Oil Rivers in 1885 to Niger Coast Protectorates in 1893, Southern and Northern Protectorates in 1900, and finally Nigeria in 1914. They ruled Nigeria until 1960 when it became independent.4 The first developmental programme of the colonial government in Nigeria was land reclamation in the Niger Delta. They met the latter’s environmental problems when it was nature-induced. Being a flat swampy and muddy basin, criss-crossed by a labyrinth of waterways, the Delta was subjected to excessive flooding and erosion. Rather than leaving it as it was, the colonial government planned for its reclamation because of the imperial benefits to be derived. The reclamation would not only give the Ijo enough levees for habitation but also increase their palm produce economy which Britain wanted for her Industrial Revolution. Hence, the colonial botanists saw Nypa palm, N. fruticans Wurmn, as a panacea to the Delta environmental problem. It was imported from Singapore and planted in the Niger Delta between 1906 and 1912. From here it spread across the region. But this could neither check erosion nor help in reclaiming the Delta lands. Instead, it began the dreaded degradation of the Niger Delta environment in 165 several dimensions. It was fast replacing the mangrove forest, Rhizophora, whose stabilization of the shoreline was the means of checking erosion. |
@dede & @niajaking1 You guys have sustained attempts at selling lies to people by camouflaging the emptiness of your arguments in volumes. Like I said earlier if 42yrs after the start of the civil war ,we still have people like that think like you in Ibo land , then I have extra reasons to support every step Adako Boro took. Your arguments have been : 1. Adaka Boro was a criminal and saboteur------ To this I say he is our HERO. 2. That before crude oil was discovered , Ijaws were depedent on Ibos economically----------- To this I say , there is every proof in the book that the Ijaws had a system and the resources to sustain economic self-reliance even before crude was discovered. Anyone busy applauding your comments should be graceful enough to do so in the light of the two contending issues above and nothing else. |
Dede1:SO what should I call someone like you that use exaggarated illustrations of how oil was found in OWERRI before oloibiri to explain your theory of Ijaw depedence on Ibos, and used unsolicited accounts of personal expeditions in Ijaw land to adjust historical records? |
Beaf:Abeg make una leave dis guy o. him carry license wey him fit use adjust history to suite argument. |
The show is about picking the best of the contestants in a show of strength/brains with more emphasy on strength and resilience. If it were just a random pick of 10 contestants then chances of getting a lady being the best would have been higher, but now the five male contestants are tested physically . Has anyone asked why the 100meters record for men is 9.69 seconds ( to be broken soon ) and that of women 10.48 (since 1988 and to remain for a long time)? Psychologically men put in more effort if it is a show of strength and a lady is involved than in a man to man show. Male pride as some call it. Secondly from the commercial/brand perpective which is key here, It will not make business sense if a lady wins . So wetin we go call the woman? "altimate woman conqueror of the forest"?. |
Afam:http://allafrica.com/stories/200805190366.html http://nigeriaworld.com/columnist/okonkwo/092002.html |
Afam:someone on this thread said this and no claims to the contrary yet. [quote ]The Biafran cause was like a can of mixed nuts. Thousands of Ijo, Annang, Ogoni, Ibibio etc believed in the cause and fought hard for it to the end. I mus say that the biggest traitors to the Biafran cause were the likes of Ike Nwachukwu and Ukpabi Asika (My humble opinion). It's a little bizarre that Nwachukwu's been parading himself lately as the "Quota" for "Igbo Presidency". . . whatever that means. [quote][/quote] |
Afam:I am sorry my broda. No harm meant. Thot you followed the thread from start. Your tribesmen have called Boro every name in the book for not supporting the Biafran governement while leaving out Ibo sons that also did not support same. |
Afam:oh , so within the Ibos people consider the circumstance before taking a decision but other "minority" tribes in the eastern region could not , ok I see why Boro is the crook and Ike nwachukwu the hero. abi? |
@niajaking1 When someone says : na_so:and later come to say: na_so:I will simply say the man has UPGRADED. keep it up ,your miracle is on the way. Or you just mistakenly dey dribble go your goal post? ![]() But I will ask why would Boro not cry marginalisation when the then eastern government did not deem it fit to build any fish factory in Ijaw land and felt the most appropriate place ABA. I have refrained from commenting on port harcourt but you guys have not ceased from saying that the Ijaws truned their backs on Ibos after they developed port harcourt. FALSE I am not one of the Ijaws the lay claim to port harcourt being Ijawland. The development of port harcourt was as consequence of economic actvities there and the deliberate effort of the british to develop that area for administrative ease for their business transaction. (I know coal was one of the major players then). Lets just spare ourselves details here. If there were direct effort of the then eastern government to develop port harcourt is a subject of debate in itself. MAKE WE NO GO THERE. The high level of individual property ownership by the Ibos in port harcourt is attributable to the @dede Before we speak on the palm produce again, just kindly explain why palm produce business is no longer a major revenue earner for the country or even Ibos ? please spare me the details of your expeditions in Ijawland this time. |
@babasoty You are simply too much. Thank you |
no21:Remove police aide from |
Bariga1:so na wetin go return dignity to police be dis abi? all the "men in Black" wey dey break okada men head because of 20 naira dey give police dignity. All this one na IGG. |
next season football club AKA goneout just won their coveted trophy for keeps-------- |
FBS:The beauty of the game is that everyone has a right to see things the way it sooths him. Me for really like say chelsea sign dis pirlo guy. The guy alone is a combination of every good quality in lampard,ballack and deco combined and as an italian one is sure he will play at top level for the next 4 yrs. |
Fhemmmy:Thank you jare . Gob bless you. |
Dede1:In the Akassa raid the Ijos were forced by the british to sell only to a sole buyer RNC at a price fixed by the british, this was detrimental to the sellers as there was buyer monpoly. Also note that at this time the ijos had established trade links with clients as far as liverpool, there were also some non-English( french and portuguese) interest in the palm produce. This move by the RNC made the pricing unfavourable to the sellers hence some were forced in a desparate need for survival to resort to "smuggling" palm produce to other buyers. Things came to a head and the Ijos were forced to Attack the RNC. You have tactically accorded to the status of middlemen to Ijos to diminish the role of Ijos in the production of palm produce. This is very wrong , while there was trade across tribal borders , the core of the produce here came from Ijaw land. Dede1:Oga I hope all this long story about two cups of oil in owerri and ikot ekpene before it was found in oloibiri in commercial quantity is not a ploy to erode the importance of Ijaws in the story of oil in nigeria? ![]() |
Dede1:Thank you, at least you try pass your broda naijaking1 small ![]() Dede1:I find it difficult to understand why you guys are trying by every means to sustain your claim that before crude oil , the Ijaws were economically depedent on the Ibos. Please lets attend to this concern of mine first. If in the face of better information you now see that it could not have been true that the Ijaws were depedants economically , then why try to use unrelated historical premises to support this claim. The name of the protectorate was a signage pointing to the thriving business of palm produce (palm oil ,palm kernel etc ) in that area ,which was needed by the british for their industries then. We all know that the british started prospecting for oil around 1937 and oil exploration became profitable in the 1960s. I believe my point is clear. The akassa war triggered by disagreements in the terms of palm produce trade with the british royal niger company. All of these point to a rich history of self-sustaining economic activities within the confines of Ijaw territory. abi I lie? so let all these talk about dependant stop. |
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