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dayokanu:
So what would make Torres in the mood?

Help him grow his hair back and dye it blonde.  

FBS:
I think dropping DD to the bench for a few games was probably the best thing Lotti ever did. Yes, this is coming from me.
The man (DD) is simply on fire. distributing passes like Xavi. chei.

No way. . . . FBS? Coming from you?

Sh.it Drogba dey vex!
Dude came to play.
When Drogba is in the mood, . . . .

Drogba involved in both goal.
I could bet Kalou won't put that in .

Kalouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

How late is my stream?
I just saw the goal.

How did they just slice through our defence like that?

Oh Sh.it!

FBS:
@nateevs! how you dey. I salute oo!

Bros I dey oooo.
Hoping we make these three points and at least bring back some belief.
Who knows Utd may self destruct. 

Kalou can't hit the target from there?

Drogba, Kalou, Malouda forward line.
Ramires dropped, Mikel in and Essien to RCM.
David Luiz back in defence.

Torres on bench.

Everyone's busy voting. There's 3 pts for Chelsea to pick starting right about now.

Well.

agabaI23:
Change does not have to mean voting PDP out. Change means rejecting the dictator

How can change mean "rejecting a dictator" when the "dictator" is not there?
Someone help me educate these guys.

Why would these guys go to any lengths just to canvass for support?

Odunnu:
Gawd! I'm moved!
See crowd, see yearning see excitement, see desire for change even under the scorching sun!
God change our land!

Hypocritical, coming from you. If we are to believe you, most of those people have out to vote GEJ.
Where from the "change" then?
Unless you are suggesting they have gone out to vote out PDP.

deotelan:
It's all about been positive guyz if for a start he could direct PHCN to give us power supply on election day,[b]then he'll surely do more if re-elected into office, it's not easy ohhhh since yesterday, [/b]    

Why do you mean by the statement in bold letters? What guarantee have you been given to suggest this?
Surely? How do you know he directed PHCN to supply electricity on election day?
And in those areas that do not have electricity right now, has "directed" PHCN no to?

Another daft proposition by another gullible GEJ follower. This is the sort of message being spread about and more intellectually challenged cretins join the train.

The painful thing is if GEJ is voted in and PDP returns with biz as usual, these dudes will not be here to say, "Oh I voted GEJ"


I weep for the country.

What a very daft suggestion! How many times in a life-time have we witnessed constant electricity supply for a day? 1000 times maybe? Suddenly it means GEJ is going to live up to his promise?


Nigeria is not ready for any sort of development.

What's happening here? A-40 you sure say you dey safe like this?
What do you want me to do?

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=497240.msg8120634#msg8120634 date=1302722903]@Nateevs.
Ol boy which level nau? Shey na till i take all my mouth talk! You lost our bet dude. Pay up![/quote]Bros why you dey rush like this, you wan pay school fees?
Send me your acct number to nateevs at yahoo dot com.
Make I bless you.

debosky:
I don't understand what argument?
Lamps is mechanical, he doesn't dominate midfield, yet he's been banging in 20+ goals consistently even with the personnel around him changing.

Hehehehe. I no tell you say u no understand the argument. . You just wan talk.
So according to you, because he's banging 20+ goals consistently, he is dominating the midfield. . . Hehehe.
What sort of logic is that? The key word being "yet". . I am sorry to say Debo but that's a silly way of arguing. . .
What's the connection between being/not being mechanical and scoring 20+ goals?
Like one depends on the other? What is the meaning of the word "yet"?
Silly Debo.


Let me remind you.
The argument started with Ibime suggesting that Lampard is Chelsea's best player. A suggestion that FBS, A-40 and I refuted.
That's the argument. Sogbo.
Next time educate yourself before jumping.

The argument evolved into the need for wingers in a game. We also talked about Chelsea dominating the midfield yesterday.
However, naturally while we argue about Chelsea, midfield play and all, we have to discuss Lampard and his weakness.
And history tells you which side Ibime and I will be on.

I mentioned while we argued that I love Lamps goals, I said I love the way he pops up and scores. I however will not agree that he controls the midfield. I never mentioned he is the problem.

Why don't you just take a seat and watch from the sidelines?

debosky:
Yet Chelski was penetrating when playing 'mechanical' midifelders like Lamps and co when Duff and Robben were around? Come off it man.

Secondly, the word is 'juggling' not joggling. (c) The man who invented Grammar. 

A player bangs in 20+ goals season after season and you're here yarning megede fegede about him being mechanical?

Of course players are limited. . . .how many English players are 'non-mechanical' - especially midfielders? Lamps is the best at what he does, arriving late into the box to score goals. He hasn't been as effective as in previous seasons, and that probably has to do with age and his injuries, coupled with the general lack of form by the forward players.

Juggling . . . Noted.


Do you even understand the argument? Obviously you don't. You just wan talk your own.

Ibime:
Hahaha. So now you done change mouth. Last season you told us [b]Ballack was too mechanica[/b]l, now you're telling us he was the fantastic ball player behind Lamps success.
Thiago cannot hit a straight pass to save his life.
Diarra never played in CM for Chelsea and only had a brief run at right back
Deco was a perennial sub as was Gudjohnsen.
The only person Ill accept there is Maka.
Nateevs, come again, Im not having that!
Now you're telling us Lamps has been found out. Same thing you said last season at some stage. What has he been found out for? We lost the league when he was injured, he's come back and lifted the general play, and even though the lack of movement uptop and wide remains, we can already see slight difference to the team as compared to Oct, Nov, Dec.
You are here ranting Schweinsteiger's name. Ask Schweinsteiger what he was able to create when Robben and Ribbery were out? It takes good movement to make a pass. . . . . and Chelsea have had no movement this season.
You are here calling Shweini's name. When I told you 18 months ago that Schweini is top 5 midfielder in Europe, you were calling Joe Cole's name.

Nuggah, my old wisdom is your recent discovery! 

Amadioha fire your mouth for all the emboldened. Find the quote. Arrant nonsense.
I only argued with Dayo that Schweini is not is not worth £40m or there about and I said £25m max.
You are here telling I mentioned Joe Cole.

Talking about old wisdom and recent discovery. . . What was your assertion when I was hyping VDV on this forum?
You were on a roll of your perennial ninny mid-fielder schizto. . . Now dude holding his own in the PL.



Back to Lamps. You must be confusing us with Arsenal to think overall play has improved since Lamps came back from injury.
The return of Lamps coincided with the arrival of Torres and David Luiz. The overall sipirit in the camp improves when new top class players arrive. That's what I put any positive play from us to. Else, we've been just as bad as we were when we were dropping points.
Did you not watch the 1st round CL at SB, PL match against Wigan on the weekend. Lampard played in both games. . What significant change did you see from our "bad moment". . . I saw nothing.

This crap has been over-shadowed by the zero-goals Torres issue, the drop Drogba - drop Torres frenzy and adding of Torres' barren minutes.
We've been just as shocking as we were without Lamps.

Thiago can't hit a pass to save his life. . . Hehehe.
Gudjohnsen Perennial sub? May you sh.it through your mouth.
When did you begin watching Chelsea? I hope you know Gudjohnsen formed one of the most potent attack partnership in the history of Chelsea FC with JFH. You are chatting dust.

Diarra may not have been a regular but when he came on he played his part to fit into the system that allowed lamps to bomb forward.
It was all about Lamps popping up in the box to get a goal. Never about his control of midfield.

Even Scott Parker played his part. How did I forget Scotty?

Mario Melchiott was interviewed on talksport last week and asked what Lampard exemplifies. . . he just rambled on about his hard work. How he trained well, how he conducted himself as a professional, how he always scored and the likes. . . He never talked about how fantastic he was/is on the ball. And so does every football pundit who's had an opinion of Lampas. They all talk about the goals. Nothing more.

What do think Spurs players will say about Modric. . ?


Don't gist me this rubbish! I have had enough!

Ibime:
Ok sir. . . we kindly wait for you to stump the cash to cop Xavi, Iniesta or Fabregas.
cos Diego won't cut it!!! 
Until then, we'll make do with "the best of the rest"
Although when Robben and Duff were here, all this nonsense talk of central midfield wasnt there. Even Thiago was a comfortable member of the midfield.
Even when Scolari and later Ancelotti decided to go with a central midfield axis rather than wingers, Lamps was the only central midfielder who performed, even during Scolari's worst period. 
Of course the reason we lost was cos Lampard was unable to drift wide and dribble a couple of players after it became obvious that none of the wingers would be able to do so. Nateevs!!! 

Hehehehe! You are a jerk! Confrimed! 
This is your way of accepting by style. YOU know we don't need Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas to play like that. You know quite well.
We just needed to have re-focused our transfer policy.

£68m on Torres and Ramires would have bought us Schweini, Ozil and VDV as at last summer's valuation, with change left. .  How do you think we will fare with this midfield. .?
With the right manager, anything is possible. Passes flying all over. Play Mikel behind these three in Midfield and you turn Chelsea on it's head.
Play Drogba and Anelka in front and you will create a dynamic, free flowing effective midfield that can and will build through the middle. If you have wingers, then good. If you don't, you stiill play.

They may not cover 17km and may not score 20 goals each a season but you are sure to mount a challenge. If we lost, we would have lost yesterday hitting the post with near misses, and forcing super saves and stretches from their goalie and defenders. Talk about bowing out honourably. Not that shabby, arid and uncreative, mechanical midfield you keep hyping as the best in Europe. Ha!.

Roman, I am sure has realized this and our football is going to change starting from next season. . . Out with the mechanical. Say hi to dynamic!

When Robben and Duff were here, Lampard was 27/28 and we played a 4-3-3. Jose utilized his strengths. . . It doesn't mean there was nothing to complain about. It didn't mean Lampard was controlling the midfield. He was doing what he knew how to do best, pop in the box and score goals. Which is my point. He an't do more. Add to the fact that over the years players like Maka, Thiago, Diarra, Gudjohsen, Ballack, who were fantastic ball players never left creativity to Lamps. . They covered for his inadequacies which allowed him to run into the box and score loads! That's not to be confused with a mid-field maestro. . . Dude is not.


The problem all started when all these players left and the style had to change (ROman wanted fancy football), Lamps was found out. But for Ballack and DEco last season, Lamps would have been poor. Now they have left and all we have are co mechanical dudes - Essien and Ramires - like Lampard, he's been found out.

I love his goals. I want him to come in on say 45mins or 60mins. . for a change in style to a fast flowing 4-3-3. . sort of a plan B. But playing Lampard can and will never be my primary tactic.

Ibime:
@ Nateevs,

You want a central midfielder that can drift wide, dribble two players and put a cross in. Well that's certainly not Lamps. And that's not most central midfielders.
You need your central midfielder to drift wide and dribble two? Chairman, what is your winger there for? One man must do everything for you shebi?
Imagine you calling Ramires name. Out of 8 months this season, Ramires was shocking for 6 months and only played half-decent in the last 2 months.
Lamps has played 4 months only and already outproduced him. So once again, name me a non-defender who's outperformed Lamps. They've all been shocking, but as usual, Lamps is the first name you'll call.

I don't "NEED" my central mid-fielders to drift wide. . . I want them to have the ability to do so. I don't want a central mid-fielder who is never willing to drift wide for the sheer reason of being afraid of running into a brick wall. That's not a central mid-filder, that's just one more player.

If a Central mid-fielder drifts wide, he has another player who runs into his position. If that player who runs into position is a ball player, he is confident of receiving in any position.

The difference between you and I is the philosophy of the game. . . You are a Mourinho kinda person, I am more like a Pep kinda person. .
I don't hate wingers. I love wingers in my team always. What I can't stand is mechanical mid-fielders. Don't feed me crap by saying you don't build through the middle. . . You don't watch football upside down, tell how many Barca goals come from the flanks?

From a tactical stand point, if you have wingers and Mechanical mid-fieders, you will always be predicted as not much penetration can occur through the middle. That's a tactical flaw.

I will have top flying wingers with my ball-joggling, effective midfielders anyday of the week. However if push comes to shove and I have to make a cut, I will go for 6 attacking ball players who can drift anywhere. . take on one player and find a pass. That's tactical unpredictability. . because no one can tell who plays what or where. .

That's how I see football and Lampard cannot offer us that. Evolve or die.




Lamps has been poor and over the season, Ramires has done better. I never said Ramires was the best player, I said he's done better over the season than Lamps injury or not. Lamps cannot come near any called best. . It's an insult to the sheer hard work that Ivanovic and Terry
have put in.

As far as I am concerned, Ivanovic is our best player. Simple!

If you want to continue in the morning I dey kampe for you.
Every time I suggest we play without Lamps is because I cherish diversity.
Chelsea must be the only team in the world who "cannot" play without their "star" midfielder. . And what's even more annoying is that he (Lamps) is not all that. . . Save for the issue of winning mentality, Arsenal can play without any single player. We can't play without Lamps. It's crazy, it's stu.pid.

It was 59-41 because Anelka dropped way deep time and again creating an extra man in midfield, not because Lamps was holding it down. . . Once Anelka got confused we surrendered. After Hernandez's disqualified goal, it was Utd all the way.

Ramires does not have the inherent passing capabilities and is why I don't give him stick . . but what he does not have he makes up for in sheer hard work. . . I cannot tell you how many times he broke up Utd's play today. He was an immense reason we played well in the first half. With time he will become a Fletcher-like player. . .

I bloody do not care if Lamps ran 15km. I'd prefer him to run 7 and be effective than telling me he is a Kenyan athlete and being shocking throughout. Tell me when you see Lamps drift wide, takes on 2 players creat space and put a cross in. . . Every midfielder must be able to do it. . Lamps can't. He can only play through the middle. . . and that's the star of our midfield, yet you complain we don't have width. We don't need natural wingers to mount a challenge. We need to hold the ball.

How many Chelsea players can move the ball from our back yard to the opposition 18, each player touching the ball just once?. . . I can count almost 50 times I saw Utd players do it. Only ball players are able to create space and break opposition without one touch football. When your mid-fielders need to touch the ball 3 times. . Essien, Lamps, Ramires. . . You give the opposition a chance to regroup. You can't create space that way.

Benayoun may not have won trophies but he is a top class footballer.

Lastly, even Ramires has put performed Lamps. . . Fans are currently voting player of the year, you must be the only one who's cast a vote or Lamps. If Lampard has been our best player in the season, we don't deserve a top four spot.  

Goodnight!

debosky:
Hehehe. . . . .Borini would've been a steady super sub?
Sturridge would've been banging in goals?
McEachran would be a game changer??
You gotta pass whatever it is you're smoking
Cleverley is better than McEachran but he's on loan at Wigan. Welbeck is miles better than Sturridge yet he's on loan at Sunderland. Macheda is better than Borini yet he's also on loan.
Kakuta steady in the first 11? 
You're obsessed with some above average youth players and think they can mount a premiership and European challenge?
Again, pass me whatever you're smoking mehn. . . .that's some good sheet right thurr

Well Sturridge has scored 6 goals. . .
How do you know Cleverly is better than McEachran? Wellbeck is miles better than Sturridge?. . . Hehehe I laugh in Hausa!
How many goals has Wellbeck scored?
THe man who invented grammar. . . . Pass the poli. Sturridge is almost single handedly pushing Bolton for a UEFA spot and you are telling Welbeck is miles better. . . Go and sleep.
This is rubbish talk. . .

You think I am plucking youngsters out of my head. There are a million of them in the academy I don't mention because there's no reason to. I only talk of those who have a massive chance of making it. If Fergie handled Borini for half a season, dude will be a poacher y'all love to have in your team.

Let me tell you how Fergie is mounting a treble challenge. . . with average players like Fletcher, Gibson, O'Shea, Park, Macheda (though on loan), Obertan, Micheal Owen, and even Brazilian twins. Even Hernandez before now was average.

Don't tell me about average dude.

Ibime:
hahaha. Sometimes I wanna slap you when Chelsea loses for backing the decisions of the arch-eyebrowed Italian.
Please post your starting 11 and stop telling us that McEachran this and that. Shebi McEahran would win you UCL? Anuofia! 
Dont you think theres a reason why Wilshere was kept on the back burner for 2 years?
Has Kakuta established himself either at Fulham or Chelsea?
This one no be Championship Manager football game o!
Lemme tell you incase you watch football upside down, our central midfield had no problem today. They dominated possession and stayed camped in Utd's half. The problem, as Gaypumpkin rightly pointed out is lack of movement and pace on the wings and uptop. There is no single winger who can dribble, hit the byline and put in a cross, or take out two players with one run. In the end, Lamps, Essien and Ramires are reduced to playing pass me, I pass you cos theres no one to stretch the play. On the other hand, the only time United pump the pressure on us is when Nani and Park raid down the wing or when Rooney pulls wide (cos Essien blocked off the centre) or Hernandez runs wide or behind. That was the difference over the two legs, and unfortunately, Chelsea dont have those kind of players. . . . so stop looking for problems in the wrong place!

I'm sure we had argument three years ago where I said what Chelsea needs is wingers, and you insisted that we need playmakers.

You have been shouting Essiens name all evening, but Essien is a DM. I dont know what you were looking for him to change the game for. Yes, he is not the same player, but you must be mad to think that Carrick would do better.

Now you called Lamps and Essien's names but omitted Ramires. Me I have no problem with Ramires, but whats the reason behind your not singling him out like Lamps and Essien. Shebi he is no Diego or Benayoun?

Abegi. . . FBS also agrees say na you dey watch football upside down. You called Lampard our best player of the season.
Lampard was shocking today.

I clearly stated in the match day thread that lack of width is a real problem for Chelsea but lack of width was not our only problem. Lamps and Essien were overrun by Giggs and Carrick.

The main issue is they are not ball holders. You don't have to have wingers to penetrate. I love wingers but your obsession with it is ridiculous. You don't have to play with wingers. . . but you have to play with creative mid-fielders or you die. Simple.

We were shocking in midfield as opposed to what you are trying to make us believe. If your midfielders are good ball holders, they will drift wide evry now and then, drag a defender with them and they can beat a man or two. Like Modric does, like Dembele, but if your midfilders cant drift wide then u are limited. Whn was the last time u saw Lamps drift wide and beat a man then put a cross in.

Ramires is not creative but he uses his pace to make things happen. He is not my ideal midfielder, I would have played Benayoun instead.

Lampard is not creative and you don't have to play with Lampard. Many teams have won trophies without him.

Abeg stop all this rubbish jare.

Ibime:
And who would play? Ramires, Mikel and Zhirkov?

Abegi, you and your fantasy footie need to go to sleep.

If Fergie was Chelsea manager, he woulda bought wingers in the summer, but given the same set of players, everybody you named there would play except Torres.

If na lie, give us your Chelsea 11 make we laugh small.

Abeg go sidon. Because you have seen Lampard's name there you are asking frivolous questions.
If Fergie was our manager, Sturridge would have been banging goals.
Borini would have been a steady super sub.
McEchran would have been a steady match changer.
Mikel would have been an AM not a DM.
Kakuta would have been a steady player in the 11.


Don't give me that crap abeg. I dey vex man.

chamotex:
Is that the only solution every time?
Keep chopping and changing? Where do you go?

If he fires Ancellotti . . who do you hire?
Who would want to go and manage Chelsea when they know a bad season . . . and they are out.

Anyone who knows his best 11. Anyone who can change a game when it's going pear shaped. Anyone who knows when player should not play. Anyone who is not afraid to experiment. Anyone who is not afraid to play young players.
If Fergie was Chelsea manager, Torres, Lampard, Malouda, Anelka, Essien will all not play.


For me coming to that conclusion, you know it's dire.

Ancellotti out!. Simple.

Two words. . . . Ancellotti out!

Well.

Paulo Ferreira. . . ? Carllotti is a joke.