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Why do I have this feeling Rooney won't go to Chelsea? I may be wrong but I just believe he won't.
How delighted will I be if he chooses to pitch his tent in SW6 instead. A forward line of ~Drogba, Anelka and Rooney can do too badly. . Walahi. 
And with Neymar to join next season?. . 

Exactly. If money as the reason of his departure is disputable, and it sounds absolutely insane to say that he is moving across town because of ambition, it only proves my point that there is more to this than we know.

Utd is due to release a statement in about half an hour. We'll see what they come up with.

StarBoard:
@nateevs,
It's all about the Benjamins for Rooney.
The "ambition" thing is holding as much water as a basket in a stream.It makes no sense to claim a club under a manager with 40+ senior titles cannot match his ambition.When he became the manager to decide what ambition is is what I don't know.

It makes sense to me. What if he joins Chelsea for the same amount of money he earns at Utd?
No one can conclude Rooney did it for the money unless you've heard he's signed for another club.

Until he signs for another club, it's safe for me to argue that there are other reasons he's left and it's presumptuous for y'all to say he left for money.

tkb417:
friend, dwell on the things you know only

are u sure there is more to this than money and 'lack of ambition' by UTD?

the same way he left Everton is playing out again

dude is a goddam mercenery. hes out for th spoils

I wont blame him for that tho cos ill do the same thing but not the way hes going about it in UTD. He shoulda left b4 the season started

Dude, no-one walks out on Utd.
You don't leave Utd for a rival club unless there is something wrong or if you absolutely insane.

Fergie offered Rooney money to make him the highest paid Utd player ever. . so we can conclude it isn't about money.

If Rooney thinks Utd lack ambition, so much he thinks he should leave, then it proves my point that there's something more than you and I can see.

I am sticking to what I know. What u know is more than what I know anyway.

I honestly do not see Rooney as a trouble maker.
I think there's stuff happening behind that we don't know about.
He's never struck me as a trouble maker. He's def a bloody scouscer who grew up in the hood but he understands the essence of professionalism and is a very good player.

I believe he has a lot of respect for Utd and as such will not go to Citeh.

I will be over the money if he says he wants to join Chelsea.

tkb417:
haha

So this option exists and some people are failing to factor it into the equation

i said earlier that if our present problem is the debt; then the problem wont last long knowing fully well that UTD being the biggest sporting franchise in the world would attract other money bags . The Glazers have valued the club at 1.5billion but i know if this present imbroglio goes outta hand, they will be forced to sell and the debt would be erased.

my brother, lets play the waiting game and lets see how this pan out

The only objection I can raise to that is . . . Why do you think they will be forced to sell?
The Americans at Liverpool didn't want to sell, in-spite of the fact that they knew Liverpool could have gone into administration a few days after the court judgement. It is all dependent on if the Glazers are willing to sell.

@Emperoh.

Emperoh:
Nateevs

I also wish to let you know how important history is. If history keeps repeating itself, then why not hope on it. We may not have been in the same situ when Keane left but I dare say the situ was also not the same when RVN left. Ronaldo also left in a different situation. What you also missed is that our style of play has continually evolved with the departure of these players to suit their absence. From 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 etc. Have we been able to replace Keane till date? Definitely not!! But haven’t we won a UCL title, EPL etc without him? Or talking about debt, United was not totally debt free when Keane left and I dare say the size of the portfolio posed its own problems at that time. Do I need to remind you that as long as cash flow is constant, the debt can be there for all I care, the income will service it.

What we should concentrate on is making the outcome on the pitch speak for itself. Like Debosky said, where we have had issue is at the back and not scoring goals. We all riled Berba last season and he stepped up to do some good job this season showing us his potential. Who says he can’t rise to fill the space Rooney left if this team is built around him? Bruv, history will repeat itself under a different circumstance as it has happened in the past; so, why worry. This is an institution and not some money miss road club that grows rich to challenge for trophies over-night. What we are going through now is nothing but loss of form to players in key areas. Carrick and Fletcher in the mid-field, Ferdinand, Evra and maybe Vidic at the back. When these players get their mojo back, (I hope they do soonest), you will all forget there was ever a scandal on Rooney

And hey, should the debt over-hang become an issue, I can assure you that it won’t get as bad as Liverpool. There are a million and one Trillionaires out there, ready to break the bank to buy United. This club is a cash cow. The Glazers for all I care are a phase and will sell United if they loose out. Any businessman knows better than to put his money in a non-profitable venture and United is not one.

You make points. .

tkb417:
ok but we have splashed cash on Valencia, Bebe, Smalling and co now

like seriously, do you think we dont have money at all

are u alright?
lol

Dude I can't see the money anywhere.
Show me where it is. Do you even read Utd books at all?

tkb417:
mumu

Debosky already answered your dumb dominance theory

Has Arsenal profits dwindled cos i know Arsenal have been dominated for like 5 years now?

when you answer this, ill know what to say

and also arguing with you is like discussing with a psychic- its usually fruitless

You can't make a point without insulting. . and it's even like you can do it well anyway.
If I begin with you, you always know I will blow you away.

Just look at Starboard, he is making twice as much sense as you.
He is picking my points as I make them and replying them all point after point.
I quite agree with the point he is making, though not totally but I least I can read what he types.
Your own points are empty. You always like to act like you have a lot to say. . when all your are saying is "spewing, bumkum, blah blah, dumb, mumu"

Without these words, you can't post sense.
Tackle the points and stay away from insults dude. People have differing opinions, deal with it.

tkb417:
Gbam!
so tell us players that were as good as Keane, Beckham, Stam that UTD got when these players left

First what is the gbam about? The guy said he mis-represented my views and you are saying gbam. . What is wrong with you.
Like I said, I never referenced direct replacements.

Also I never expressed a view of how splashing the cash has replaced very good players. Quality for quality.
I only said they did and now can't.

No matter about worse off in ability the incoming players have been, they have played at points in time played important roles in the last five years.
Are you telling me that if Utd didn't have the cash to splash at the time they did, they would have gone on to win the trophies they did?

What would Utd have won if they didn't splash the cash on players like Rooney, Rio, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani, Ronaldo to name a few, in the renent history?

tkb417:
blah blah

UTD have won trophies after Romans 'incursion' into football (Premiership)

UTD have won trophies after the Glazers bought UTD

as far as im concerned, your posits is more like a prophecy than a football commentary

Go get yourself a church and start making money from seeing tmr.

When UTD start failing, come and tell us you warned us. From the look of things, youre still blabbing cos till date, the record says UTD have won 3 EPL titles in 4 years- FACT!

This is why I don't reply you. You reply to posts that are convenient for you.
I said there are more heavy weights to contend with.

I mentioned Chelsea, ManCity, Arsenal and Liverpool as major contenders with Utd, who have more financial clout than ever expected.
I mentioned that without these factors, it was much easier for Utd to bounce back time and again. . and that now, dominance will be harder to achieve.
If dominance is hard to achieve, profits will dwindle. If profits dwindle, the debt becomes even more crippling which will spend the end.

You don't see these points. You pick out just "ONE" of them . . . Abramovic's supposed "incursion" on football and begin ranting.
Why don't you tackle the other points? You are a nightmare to have a conversation with.

@Starboard.

There's no part of my post that reads "replacements". . . I only said they went out and splashed the cash.
Neither did I ask for a like-for-like replacement for any players. I only asked for players who are as good as Rooney. Not "direct replacements" for Rooney.

These two questions cannot be answered. It is not my insinuation of things happening. It's clear to see.

debosky:
@ nateevs

Times are different no doubt, but I'd say Utd fans still have every reason to be confident. Yes Rooney leaving would be a big surprise but Fergie's reaction may just be due to the shock and less to do with how much they'll miss Rooney.

Fergie's ability to reinvent his team time and time again would give any fan confidence. . . .he's done it so many times people take it as a given. Whether or not he can do that in 2010/11 with the constraints you mentioned will be discovered in due course.

I quite agree Fergie's a genius at what he does, however the signs are there to see the future is very bleak.
When Fergie bounced back with Utd time and again, there wasn't an Abramovic, willing to spend £50m on Torres.
No Arabians willing to pay Rooney £500,000 a week.
No Arsenal making £50m in annual profits and over £1m at the gates.
No Liverpool with a £300m takeover.


The are more heavy weights to contend with than ever before. It's no longer the prem Fergie knew.
It's way more than Rooney walking out. There are a million things behind the scenes happening that we can't see.
Rooney can but Fergie didn't think he will act on it.
Anyone who can't see through this should remove their red goggles.
Like I said Utd fans, wake up and smell the coffee.

Absolutely Debo.

It's not some branch of science someone has been able to perfect. It's more of hope than anything else.
I appreciate tkb and co standing by their club. . but it amazes to see the only string of hope they cling on to is that of possible repetition of history.

Oh! we've heard it before.

These are the different scenarios now:-

1. Before now, I can't quite remember anytime in Fergie's history where the star player walks out on Utd. Key phrase being "walks out"
2. This must be the very first time Fergie's shocked at seeing his start player leave.
3. The very first time Fergie's offering a player money to become the highest paid player in Utd's history to prevent the player from leaving.
4. The first time a star player leaves without any player nearly as good as the departing player.
5. When star players have left in the past, Utd have gone out and splashed the cash. It can't happen any more.
6. This time around, they the Glazers.
7. Then, Utd made profits. . Now the profits go to servicing debts.
8. The first time in recent history Utd have not sold out season tickets.
7. And lastly "The crippling debt".



None of these factors were present when Keane left Utd. Times have changed dudes. Wake up and smell the coffee.
If I were a Utd fan, I will be very very worried.

jalether:
What happened to anelka. His overall contribution and game play has dwindled significantly . . . .completing a simple five yard pass has

become a weekly struggle for him.

DD isn't far behind anelka in terms of lacklustre ball retention neither, leaving kalou as the only player capable of bringing composure

and stability to our attack as malouda too don dey mess up in that regard. . solution drop anelka to the bench and play malouda/zhirhov-DD-kalou upfront.

I quite agree Anelka made a few wrong passes but I don't see any devastation on the scale you guys are seeing.
You should look to the midfield. Anelka plays well when there are co-ball carriers in the midfield.

The midfield with Mikel, Essien and Ramires can only work when we want to play Barca.
Else, we should never use it. Malouda and Anelka always have to go back to midfield to get the ball often because the ball never reaches them.

Solution: Always play Zhirkov in midfield no matter what. He helps a great deal carrying the ball forward.

ritchboy:
So basically, Kakuta is Walcott in disguise?

You wish. We've learnt since Sheva. We don't do failed projects any more.
Every single transfer since then has been fruitful.

That reminds me. I don't see those Chelsea hit and miss articles on the internet any more. People got bored?

Rooney just released a statement . .

In brief. . David Gill was not able to meet any of his assurances concerning the future strength of the squad. . and so, he will not be extending his contract.


Me verdict. The beginning of the end.

Yes I heard yesterday Ramires is out.
That, may be good news as Zhirkov will come into midfield alongside Mikel and Essien.
The combination of Cole, Zhirkov and Malouda on the left of attack is a fierce force.
That will also foster more creativity than what we've seen in the past few weeks.

Kalou's return is also a plus. Drogba's back as well.

FBS:
I watched Kakuta during the last U-19 Euro championship (which France won and he also bagged the MVP award) and I can say that he was a completely different player. Sometimes I think his style is completely different from the way we play.
Also, I think he operates better just behind the strikers up front and not on the wings.

@BD, how can you call him a flash in the pan? na. . .he is anything but that!

I think he needs more games (maybe not necessarily starting) and if he doesn't step it up, well, Lotti can make his decision.

You have to have watched Kakuta a lot to come to that conclusion. . .
I remember calling Kakuta a central-midfielder sometime ago and Ibime laughing. . .

The way Kakuta played in the U-19s is the exact way and role he played in the youth and reserves.
He used to be the best player in the reserves and he had a free role most times to play in the middle in the years of JM, Grant and Scolari.
His game is based on pace. He hasn't learnt to play on a spot. He has to be running. . There must be pace in the game.
He now needs to learn how to play one touch football and play in tight spaces, something Josh can do by default.


And let's not forget he was out for almost a year from a broken foot. . Got banned for extra months shortly after he came back. Now he is in the last years of his contract, there will be a gazillion people whispering into his ear about where and where not to go and sign. . . Wenger will prolly have his number on speed dial as well. , Y'all knoww how he is with kids.

He has been through a lot for a kid. . . He will come through. He needs to sign that contract first. Every other thing will follow in due time. . I however believe Josh will break in before Kakuta.

Where are all the guys defending FIFA. .? This one was on video, how many more cases have happened under-G?
We have to sit back and allow these cretins run our associations. . yet they can't be probed for fear of ban from FIFA.
FIFA is not answerable to anyone or any organization? Isn't that worrying. . ?

Blackpool v ManCity. . .

What a game!

Ibime:
Kakuta needs to go out on loan to understand how the prem works.

Look at Wilshere. He wasnt so brilliant on loan at Bolton, but he learnt so much, now hes one of the best at Arsenal.

McEachran made a mistake yesterday also. That kind of mistake will be straighterned out with a loan spell.

As for Kakuta, seeing how he had no regard for Lens when he left to join Chelsea, I doubt he will have regard for us also.

While I believe no single player is bigger than the club, I sincerely will not want to see him leave. Loan may not be the only answer to how he has to learn.

Jack Cork, Ryan Bertrand, Michael Mancienne, Scott Sinclair, Jacob Mellis have all gone on loan year after year, they still haven't broken into the first team. They still haven't learnt anything or maybe they are not good enough.

Wilshere went on loan but Fabregas didn't. . because Wenger decided to give him games. I think it's more of who is good enough.

Kakuta and Josh are good enough. What they need is a number of games and a lot of patience. A terrible mistake by Josh yesterday it was but so was the one by Ramires against City.

Don't know if Kakuta will stay, I hope he does. . . but I know Josh and Gael will break into the team.

Meanwhile Everton is 2 up on Liverpool. . .
Hogson is going out the door with the former Americans next week.

BlueDiva:
To hell with Kakuta, he's just a flash in the pan.
We really should have added another decent striker during the summer.

Come on Diva. .
To call Kakuta a flash in the pan in way out of order.
He is a teenager. . . and teenagers have their different levels of development.
I have watched Kakuta and Josh for about 3 years now from Youth to Reserves. . . .and I can say that Kakuta's game is based on pace. He likes to run into space always.

Josh on the other hand has the natural ability to play in tight spaces. The more space, the better for him.

Chelsea's new style of play reduces space for midfielders. . Kakuta tries to run but the spaces don't exist.

Kakuta needs to learn another aspect of play and really quick. Fans are longer as patient as they used to be. . but to give up on him as a flash in the pan is wrong. . .


Remember Malouda?

debosky:
What do you expect? It was mistimed - Jack lost the ball, was trying to retrieve it and mistimed it. Nothing else to talk about.

The fact that AW criticizes bad tackles doesn't mean that no Arsenal players will make bad tackles. . . for people to think so and wet themselves any time an Arsenal player does so is patently moronic.

There is obviously a difference in an occasional rash challenge and someone like Karl Henry destroying players week after week.

Like I told Loyika, foremostly, Wenger never criticizes bad tackles, he only criticizes bad tackles on Arsenal players.
Secondly, what did Wenger say about the tackle on Ramsey? Did he call Shawcross's tackle mis-timed, when it clearly was. .?

Arsene Wenger just called the challenge by Wilshere on Zigic "a mis-timed challenge". . . Here we go.

ritchboy:
Then what do we call Messi?

So no one else can be called world class because Messi is world class.
Ritchboy and rubbish!

cabali:
Do you see how idiotic these guys are

Don't call them idiots, they did their best.
The first half was very bad but they really wrestled in the second half.
We hit the wood work 3 times.

It's unfortunate we drop points on the same day ManU drop points but hey this is Villa. We have only won once at Villa park in 10 seasons. I never expected a win. I would have taken it. . . but at least we weren't terrible till the end.

Let's look on the brighter side. . . . Josh is absolutely world class. . . believe me. . .

This one may be a draw.

Josh is a fantastic player.
If he starts, we'll have so much creativity in midfield.
Look how much he's helped create since he came in.

He slots in perfectly like it's his right. . . Throw him into the phucking deep end, dude is ready.

Haaaa!!!

1 min more.

Very very bad.

Lawdamercy. . . That would have been it. .