How many salute make I throway for you ? Your head dey there jare.

umarfantami:
No twitter, no Facebook, no Instagram accounts,
call them illiterates but they are the most
politically informed people in Nigeria. The true
holders of PVC and they also know the value, they
go out in thousands to vote, yet the social media
electorate and activist will be at home pressing
phones and when the election result is out they
will shout rigging.
You look at them with disrespect and yet they
continue to teach you political lesson.
Elections are not won on social media. Social
media popularity does not translate to actual
voters. Next time you see a man with a transistor
radio, respect him because he may be more
politically sound than you.


Atiku might have won if votings
were online..
Because his supporters have data not PVC...

Zoharariel:
Expect a false flag by the CIA in Venezuela any moment from now in form of Snipers killing unarmed civilians or Chemical weapons deployed by the Maduro government against protesters that will be used by the United Snakes of Amerika & her allies to launch an invasion.

The iFUKUSA (Israel, France, UK & USA) which are always quick in accusing others of meddling/hacking/interfering in politics, have themselves been openly advocating and funding regime change, invasions and wars around the World for the last one hundred and twenty years.

The coalition of satan have being planning to plunder Venezuela's Oil (Largest reserve in the world) for decades like they did to Iraq & Libya.

Good thing is, Mother Russia is on standby to put the bastards back into their coven & make them suffer humiliation & defeat like they're doing in Syria.

As always, the only cure for madness is sanity and the medicine for a bully is a falcon punch to the face & a kick to the scrotum.

Attached are pictures of Amerikan soldiers displaying the Gold Bars they plundered from Iraqi's Gold Vault after the fall of Saddam Hussein - Bastards!

That might be true about the US being a pain in the ass, meddling with foreign politics and influencing elections like Iran and Libya but I do not think Putin cares for Venezuela. He's only trying to maintain his vested interests in that country. Don't forget that Russia, even China, her twin brother are no different from those aforementioned countries.

I'm no supporter of Atiku either and would've loved us to have a reasonable dialogue about this but from the looks of things, there's absolutely no need.
Happy new year.

buharitill2023:
buhari only enter thief. atiku plane, it was not donated to him.
or if you board any plane, will you ask the owner where he got the plane from？.
is only the government that can probe the owner.
so stop be biased.

Photons of light are the ethereal form of energy, matter is the material or physical from of it. A star 1987A or so exploded, 170,000 years ago (earth clock) but it'll always be in an ever ending now because photons move at the speed of light (error of redundancy) creating a simultaneously reality of the past, the present and the future. If you had a massless space ship and you were moving at the speed of light following the widespread dust of the star from the very point of it's explosion, you would have experienced no time, zero time but those on earth experience 170,000 light years.

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If God is a just God, then reward and punishment has got to exist but that's not the issue bro.
I am definitely aware that she'd have expectations as would any body. I really wouldn't blame her.
One thing I'd advise you to clarify from her is, is she trying to coerce you in the thinking to come back to your faith because our society and family expectations etc demand it? Is it because of what people might say or because of her unchangeable belief in the Eternal?
I am staunchly against making life difficult for people just because of their religious beliefs though I'm not inferring that she's making life difficult for you. She's your wife, you know her best.
I believe it is the spirit of God that infuses the awareness of the Eternal into the human Neshama, trying to force you will only get you farther away from having a chance to get your faith back.
Few months ago, I was an atheist. I have a brother who is an atheist but I have come to the knowledge of God through history, science, ancient commentary and studying. I cannot discard my brother off just cause he still holds to his beliefs although I won't be equally yoked with unrighteousness. I believe if your wife can take the pain to study, not just in the scriptures of your religion but other sources, she might be able to reason with you. I have found answers to almost all the questions I had about life, dinosaurs, the flood, Cro Magnons, Neanderthals and the other humans and hominids before Adam, the law of relativity, free will, the prophecies, the existence or non existence of the Son of Man, history, etc.
The only way to find the creature is by understanding nature and its compliance with the maker, nevertheless, nobody should make you have a bad life over your religious views.

mainanalyst:
How Do I Convince My Wife?


Hi everyone, I will try not to make this post a lengthy one.

I was born into a Muslim family and raised as a muslim. My wife met me as a practicing Muslim way back 2005 when we were both undergraduate in one of Nigeria's federal Universities. Recently, i started losing interest in religion, started seeing it as a source of division among humans ( like Muslims attacking Christians and vice versa). The idea of people burning in hell and some people enjoying in paradise makes no sense to me if God is really loving as claimed by theists.

But my wife is not comfortable with my religious views, infact she has started seeing me as hellbound ( don't blame her though, a true Muslim hardly marry from other religions talkless of marrying a freethinker like me ). I can see that the love she has for me is gradually reducing simply because I chose not to hold any religious views. I have no problem with her religious views, sometimes when she is far asleep, I will wake her up in the morning to observe her solat.

How do I make her understand that I can be a good husband to her without having any religious beliefs ?
The only thing she reads about are stuffs pertaining to Islam, she hardly read about science or other non religious topics. She is one of the people who believes that no human can be morally upright without having the fear of God or subscribe to religious ideas.


Just of recent, I thought of leaving Nigeria to any western country so as to be able to live my life peacefully without anyone questioning my religious views or tag me as an infidel. But I can't just leave everything behind just because my woman is not comfortable with my religious views and has been quarrelling with me on it.

How do I make her live with me peacefully without her feeling uncomfortable? Has anyone experienced this before ? How did you manage the situation ?

We agree Atiku is a thief but why was he not labelled a thief when he made humongous donations to the APC or while Buhari and his people were cruising his jets during the campaign? Let's not be biased now.

buharitill2023:
we didn't know he was so corrupt,
and the corrupt pdp led by ineffectual buffoon was so blinded by corruption to see how corrupt thief atiku was.
although thief obj warn us in 2006 how thief atiku is the highest thief in Africa.
and thief obj said GOD will not forgive us if we ever think of voting for thief atiku.

Wait, is this not chief olododo, that TV presenter?

chiefolododo:
May God bless President Trump

AND

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU

Exactly bro, to his children, regardless.

Chubhie:
You just have to admire how Oyedepo moved from nothing to something. Any fool can achieve this. But, to run this empire and successfully transfer the baton to his children deserves an applause.

I see a mix of Don Corleone and Jose Mourinho in him. He has done so well for his generations yet unborn. After all, a good man leaves an inheritance for his children.

You could take a transfer to NOUN. I dropped out this year after about 3 years in UI and I've never for once regretted it. I had this nudging in my spirit after my first semester that I was in the wrong place. I needed another type of education; professional and financial education. After I dropped out, I started buying financial books, studying, etc. I'm in a new town and I've seen a lot of opportunities and a lot of ground yet to explore. Since you have taken a liking to IT, pay a visit to NIIT. It's an information technology company, very prestigious around the globe. You can check on that. I plan on learning Java track software engineering there and I'd probably do data science later. I discovered that I needed to have a lot of edge whether to get employed or to own your business. I'm in NOUN and I'd probably do a Master's degree here after my bachelor's degree. You can also do this ICAN program for undergraduates. It's going to be a big boost for you. My advice for you is as you get academic education which to me isn't important, get financial and professional education with it. Those two are far more important than any certificate. NOUN is very flexible as it does not affect other aspects of your life in any way. Just focus, think, plan, strategize, ask for advice from either sides of your life and make your decision. I wish you all the best that life has to offer bro.

Bro, if these people really are the levites and priests of today, why do they not take tithes of farm and animal produce?
Why do they take tithe from the poor; even the conservative old testament frowned on taking tithe from the poor and from widows.
Why do they not after receiving all tithes, take 10 percent and share the rest to the widows and to the poor as it is written in the levitical laws?
Why do they choose one part of the law without duly following the rest as the bible says?
Why don't they not ask people to take their tithes to wherever the Lord, their God pleases and eat and make merry in his sight?
Why do they still receive tithes if there's no temple?
If the Lord, our God doesn't live in material temples but in temples of our hearts, why do we pay tithes to material temples made of bricks?
If they are the levites and priests of our time, being spiritual descendants of the apostles, why did the apostles and Christians for over 300 years in the midst of persecution by the Roman empire before emperor Constantine, not take tithe?
The apostles, e.g; Paul, could've easily taken some tithe when he was in need to the extent that people had to send him human basic materials to sustain himself.

Alexk2:

You've narrowed it down to whether tithing should be a new testament thing or not and to whom it should be given(levies or pastors) but I'll just emphasize Jesus perspective on tithing this way;

In Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42(please study this passages with different versions for clearer understanding) Jesus referred to tithing as something that should not be neglected…

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.”

So if you are still wondering what Jesus said about tithing or if “tithe” is in the New Testament, you have it right there in Luke 11:42.
Secondly on to who should our tithe be given in this new covenant is simply whoever represent the levite in the new covenant. Remember when Jesus died on the cross and immediately, the viel seperating the "holy place" from the rest of the temple was rent into two signifying that we all have direct access to God through Jesus Christ and hence no need for any levite or priest to make "sacrifice" on anyone's behalf. So levite or priest is no longer by birth but by choices we make to dedicate ourselves unto God... The same applies to "Nazareth". No more Jews, or levite or gentiles classification in this new covenant; the only common denominator is Christ Jesus.
However, a new provision for spiritual offices like apostles, evangelists, pastors, bishops, deacons etc as clearly specified in the new testament and in place of temples, we have churches. So, the people in this "offices" are now the livites and priests of our time..

In Mat 23:23 and Luke 11:42, the Lord was referring to the Pharisees, the scribes and the lawyers and let's not forget that these people were Israeli nationals. That verse had nothing to do whatsoever with gentiles, nor the church receiving tithes of money. Remember, the verse said, "mint, anise and cumin", these are plants. In fact, the Lord made it clear that giving tithes etc, though good and lawful when it's been given to those who have rights to it (the levites) is less important than loving God and doing what is right in his sight.
Here, Christ not only confirmed that tithe should be given only to those who the Mosaic law stated that it be given, not gentiles, not even non-levitical jews, but also confirmed that tithe should be given as farm produce.
Yes, according to apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians 9, the work of God needs not just spiritual assistance or importation, men of God, people of God etc should also be assisted with monetary, material things. It is not just lawful but it is a good thing if we truly are stern believers in the Lord. He who works should be appreciated although Paul knows that his reward comes from God but while he was here, he had needs to (remember when he thanked the church for sending him clothing and food etc). These things are human necessities, they had nothing to do with tithing. Paul was a Benjamite, he, nor any of the apostles, even some disciples from the tribe of Levi never received tithes because thy knew that it was unlawful for those who are not levites and those who were levites knew that they would be fulfilling a part of the law without fulfilling others and a curse will be upon them. Besides, they knew they were not subject to the Mosaic law anymore but have been reconciled to God through grace.
Hebrew 7, the whole chapter plainly talks about the uniqueness of the forever priesthood of Jesus, relating to Melchizedek who was not from the house of Levi, Jesus also was not from the house of Levi. The chapter says it can be counted as Levi, in Abraham's loins paid tithe to Melchizedek, proving the superiority of Melchizedek to the law of Moses; this was Jesus is also superior to the law of Moses.
This chapter never, again does not tell us to give tithes to pastors, if we pay tithes to them, we're living according to the levitical levites, mortal men like pastors. Jesus Christ is superior to the law of Moses. If Jesus Christ is superior to the law of Moses and Levi, in Abraham's loins paid tithe to Melchizedek or Jesus, why then do we need to give tithes to pastors or even levites anymore since we now live above the law by our saviour himself?
Dear brother, it seems to me that we're plainly paying tithes according to the law we are now superior to through the Lord Jesus Christ which is not supposed to be so.

Alexk2:

Interesting!!!... But let's look at it this way..
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin [that is, various herbs], and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others [tithes] undone” (Matthew 23:23; compare Luke 11:42, emphasis added throughout).

Here, only days before His death by crucifixion, Christ plainly confirmed that tithing should be practiced, along with spiritual adherence to the “weightier” matters that the scribes and Pharisees were obviously neglecting.

God had earlier instructed the Israelites to support the tribe of Levi for its temple service. They did this by giving the Levites God’s tithe—this support providing the means for Israel to worship the Creator and be taught according to His will.

But with the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70, the functioning of the Levitical priesthood in the national worship system was not able to continue in the same way. Moreover, Jesus had given the awesome responsibility to proclaim God’s truth to the Church He built (Matthew 16:18; Matthew 28:18-20).

Even prior to the temple’s destruction, members of God’s Church and followers of the gospel message gave monetary and other types of aid to Jesus and His apostles, disciples and later other laborers helping to spread the gospel. The work Christ had given His Church to do had to be supported (1 Corinthians 9:9-14).

Anticipating the end of the national worship system, Hebrews 7:12 refers to a change in the administration of tithing that accompanied a change in the priesthood. In Hebrews 7:1-19 it’s explained that the ancestor of the Levites, Abraham, paid tithes to the priest-king Melchizedek—a figure called the “king of righteousness” and “king of peace,” with no beginning or end, who was evidently the preincarnate Jesus. And now the tithes would go directly to Melchizedek again through His representatives.

The New Testament Church—the spiritual temple of God (1 Corinthians 3:16; Ephesians 2:19-22)—was superior to the physical temple that was destroyed when Jerusalem fell to the Roman army. And as the Church’s representatives, the New Testament apostles became the recipients of the tithes of God’s people (see Acts 4:35-37).

When we carefully explore the New Testament and the experience of the early Church, we should understand that the emergence of the Church did not mean a radical departure from the religious practices of the nation of Israel. Both the apostles Peter and Paul clearly upheld Old Testament teachings (2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Peter 3:2, 2 Timothy 2:15; 2 Timothy 3:15-17).

Not until several decades after the founding of the New Testament Church does the book of Hebrews clarify the impact this new spiritual administration involving tithing had on the Church.

Because of its continuance in Old Testament practices, though sometimes applied in a new way, for decades the Church was regarded by outsiders as merely another sect of the Jews, but one that believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. The Church is the spiritual forerunner in Israel’s New Covenant relationship with God and is even called “the Israel of God” in Galatians 6:16.

The opportunity for salvation was extended beyond the nation of Israel and offered to non-Israelites—those who would be called into the Church from all nations, being thereby grafted into Israel (see Romans 11:1-36; Ephesians 2:11-19; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This new spiritual nation would provide obedience through a converted heart (Matthew 21:43).

Obasanjo looking at those two like a wife jealous that her husband just married another woman.

Dear brother, there is nothing contradictory in the least to what I posted. I'd like to reiterate that I'm not a follower of daddy freeze but relative to tithing and first fruits, though, he uses languages that I personally do not like, I agree with him on the subject. I'll make a quick summary.
Tithes are to be given to the levites who in turn give to the priests solely because the Lord commanded that they do not have an inheritance of lands, etc among the children of Israel.
Tithes are to be given in farm produce and livestock materials.
Tithes cannot be converted to money except when the house of worship is far, it should be sold in exchange for money while the family or the individual goes to wherever the Lord their God will choose, use all of the money to purchase food and drinks, eat and be merry in the presence of the Lord, their God.
Although the law is good as it comes from God, we are not subject to it anymore because of the fulfilment of the law in the Lord Jesus Christ however, whoever wishes to stay in the laws of Moses, e.g; today's Israelis, a curse be upon them if and only if they cannot fulfill every one of those laws written in the the Mitzva which is almost impossible, which is why the Lord Jesus had to come in the first place.
According to the Mosaic laws, it is unlawful for gentiles (non-jews) to receive the levitical tithing and first fruits because pastors are not Israelis, neither are they from the tribe of Levi, neither are they priests, neither do they receive tithes in farm produce and livestock, neither do they obey the other laws in the Torah which they obviously couldn't.
Again, even in today's Israel, the levitical tithes and first fruits are not being paid because there is no temple. The Temple Mount alongside Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE by the Roman Empire as the Lord Jesus prophesied.
Brother, I advise you to download the 613 Mitzvot PDF and see how you (and all of us) are breaking them. Many of them you would've not even heard of. It's the same with every Christian since we are not subject to the Mosaic law but we fulfil it as our Lord also did.
Little wonder did the Lord himself not receive tithes, neither did his disciples and they never compelled anyone to. Even the fathers of protestant reformation in the 1500s did not.
The scriptures I typed are those that support tithing but only to those who are legally entitled to it as the Mosaic law is concerned. Not pastors, descendants of the tribe of Levi (check Heb 7:5-6).
Bro, let me reiterate that those scriptures support giving tithes and first fruits only to those entitled to it which are the levites and it's solely because they do not have an inheritance of lands etc among God's people according to God's commands. Heb 7:5-6, Num 18:24.

Alexk2:

Like seriously I don't even know how to reply you as you just keep contradicting yourself... Don't be confused pls.and I'll break your very writeup down without adding mine.
You've carefu.lly quoted verses that supports tithes giving mostly from the old testament and you quoted Galatians 3:10 "anyone who does not continue to do all of the laws in the Mitzvot and the Torah, a curse is placed on them." so you already agreed that anyone who refused to follow those laws(tithe inclusive) is cursed as emphasized by you. Now tell me what's is the basis of your support for daddy freeze doctrine? Why condemning those who choose to obey the laws as given?
That is just from your very post bro... I could add mine if you're not still clear. BTW all those mitzvot and Torah stuffs isn't my business until I fully understand all the bible; so spare me.

Lev 27: 30-32,l
Num 18:24-28
Deut 12:1-17
Deut 14:22-28
Deut 26:1-12
Neh 10:37-38
Neh 12
Heb 7:5-6
Gal 3:10
Read up those scriptures bro. According to the laws of Moses in the Torah, the 613 Mitzvot, it is unlawful for these pastors to recieve tithe as it is. We know the works of the Lord needs money to get things done but Elokim himself cannot be shamed by people who try to tweak His words to serve their bellies nor his gullible children who wouldn't study the scriptures to see the truth. Look, even Galatians 3:10 says anyone who does not continue to do all of the laws in the Mitzvot and the Torah, a curse is placed on them. And have you seen the 613 Mitzvot laws, even Israelis find it difficult to fulfil them talkless of us who just pick the ones that suit us. So a curse is placed on anyone who wishes to stay under the law. Besides, tithes, only of farm produce and the tenth animal are to be given to levites who then give to priests solely because the levites don't have an inheritance among the Israelites.
You can download a PDF of the 613 Mitzvot and judge for yourself if you're cursed based on Galatians 3:10 or not.
Selah!

Alexk2:

You that study yours, back up just one of daddy freeze claim with a scripture quoted wholly(not in part or out of context) and quote me with it.

I'm not a daddy freeze fan neither do I like his use of language BUT according to the scriptures, his campaign against tithing and first fruits is very justifiable and correct. Before you argue or probably use expletive words, I'd implore you to check and study the scriptures.

post=73884512:
An award for STUPIDITY!

Honestly, this is just very unfair. Come on! I mean, must you touch? Kongi will just kill some people die. Dressing modestly also cannot be overemphasized.

This is the exact thing Trump did during the Florida Gubernatorial, spreading non existent news of terror about Andrew Gillum and the Democrats. Good leaders don't do these kind of things.

Yes, we do know that Christianity was filled with so much liturgy and unscriptural doctrines like Christmas and giving tithes that was a right of the Jewish levites and priests. Notwithstanding, we do know that Paul's prophecy in 1st Timothy 4:3 including others about the latter days. Archealogical findings also proved that the New Testament was not formulated by no cult although it might've been edited during emperor Constantine's reign. We do know that Josephus and Tacitus, though not Christians nor liked Christians confirmed the existence of the Messiah in their Antiquity of the jews and Annals, respectively.
Tacitus said in Annals,"
Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind".

Josephus in the antiquity of the jews referenced James the brother of Jesus and John the Baptist.

sonmvayina:


The Chrestians mentioned by tacitus where worshippers of serapis... It is that cult that the Romans rebranded as Christianity... And forged the new testament and placed it at the end of the Jewish Tanakh which they called the new testament as an insult against God almighty just as Daniel prophesied in Dan7 :25

Dear brother, firstly, I'd reiterate that the Jews misunderstood that the Messiah was not sent to bring peace on this present world but with a sword Mat 10:35 nor to build the present day physical temple Rev 21:22. Jesus's reign is not on this present earth, it's for the new heaven and the new earth in revelations and the Jerusalem that proceeds from God.
Moreover, the Messiah was prophesied by his antecedents or predecessors.

1 “But He was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed! All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God’s paths to follow our own. Yet the Lord laid on Him the guilt and sins of us all. From prison and trial they led Him away to His death. But who among the people realized that He was dying for their sins – that He was suffering their punishment? I will give Him the honors of One who is mighty and great, because He exposed Himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners.”(Isaiah 53:5-6, 8, 12)


2 “He had done no wrong, and He never deceived anyone. But He was buried like a criminal; He was put in a rich man’s grave.” (Isaiah 53:9)


3 “Rejoice greatly, O people of Zion! Shout in triumph, O people of Jerusalem! Look, your king is coming to you. He is righteous and victorious, yet he is humble, riding on a donkey – even on a donkey’s colt.” (Zechariah 9:9)

There are about 48 prophecies about Jesus in total and the probability of one person especially even in an undeveloped world and time fulfilling all 48 is just phenomenal.
Micah 5:2, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6-7, Deuteronomy 18:15, Psalm 91:10-12, Isaiah 53: 1-3, Zechariah 11: 12-13, Isaiah 53:8, Isaiah 53:12, Psalms 22,18, Isaiah 53, 10-11, etc

The Lord Jesus also said the gospels that Jerusalem and the temple would be besieged and destroyed and a destructive desolation will be on the temple mount. 70 years later, the Romans besieged it, destroyed the Temple and the AL Aqsa mosque is standing on the destroyed Temple Mount location till today.
Daniel also said it in Daniel 9:26
Ezekiel also said it in Ezekiel 8:16
Paul said in 1st Timothy 4:3 "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." which came to pass in 1139 AD in thé second Lateran council of the Catholic Church.
Don't take my word for it, do your research to confirm it.

sonmvayina:


If there was a jesus, he is not the messiah God promised the jews.. He did not fulfill any of the prophesy the messiah was supposed to accomplish.. He did not bring peace, he did not build the temple, he did not bring the jews back to their home land..
No prophet prophesied that the Messiah was coming to die for sins, there was already a solution to the problem of sin in the old testament..

So the jews where looking forward to a peaceful future, no more wars with their enemies.. The new convenant was a convenant of everlasting peace... None of those has happened..

I don't know if you are getting my points

Check Flavius Josephus, Jewish Roman historian, author of antiquity of the jews and Tacitus, Roman historian and senator. Check there statements about Jesus. Both are 1st century authors.
PS: They were not Christians, neither did they like Jesus. Tacitus regarded Christians as diseases.

sonmvayina:


There might have been a roman governor by the name of pilate, does not mean there was a jesus... The pilate of reality was a brutal governor that the meeting he was supposed to have with jesus can never happen.. He crucified more than 500 in one day, that was why he was called back to Rome

Phil 3 17-20
Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

harry2sexy:

Go and fall him nah...as much as i hate to defend pastors, Oyedepo's story is nothing but Grace and diligence. He's been doing this thing since 1976...Even freeze does not have that kinda patience,if not he wouldn't have divorced his wife.

As far as this earth exist, Oyedepo will keep getting blessed

How I wish he realises this soon. Pride comes before the fall and if it could make Lucifer fall, it could make anyone fall. Many people's faces are clouded, you can't serve God and mammon. He might still even keep doing works of miracles etc but he might not be regarded as a joint heir with Christ because the gifts and calling of God are without repentance if he doesn't keep the doctrine of our Lord Jesus in spirit as it has been given. You cannot serve God while insulting people or while being focused on carnal things. It can't work.

jzun:


Oyedepo is so focused on his wealth (an earthly thing) instead of heavenly things. If in the past, he was ever a man of God, he has backslid into sin and his words shows he is glorying in materialism.

Matthew 6:24 states as follows:

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." - New International Version.

I would never say I have all the answers because humans, no matter how intelligent they are cannot think outside time, space and energy/matter. Well the things that convinced me of Elokim's existence;
1 The prophecies in Daniel, Ezekiel, Jusus's prediction of the destruction of jerusalem after his death and of no stone remaining on the second temple location, the siege of jerusalem, the deatructive desolation standing in the holy place which is the Al Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the rock standing there now. Jerusalem being trodden by the feet of men until the fulfillment of the gentiles in 1948 after the 6 day Arab war. The prophecy of paul in 1 Timothy 4:3 and what it relates to in the second lateran council in 1139 AD. Those of Ezekiel of about those that turn their backs against the temple praying towards the east, prostrating which is how those who worship in the Al Aqsa mosque and the Dome pray currently in Jerusalem.
2 "Tohu and Bohu", "Bohu" which means building blocks of matter, translated by Moses Maimonides 1125 AD regarded by Jews as the greateat teacher of the Torah after Moses in the bible in genesis.
3 Other human like creatures before Adam (although many Christians would say no) but without the living soul which Yahweh gave. This had also been said by scholars of the Torah like Nahmanides 1190 AD, Rashi 1109 CE and Maimonides 1125 CE centuries before paleontology.
4 A wing in the London museum dedicated to the beginning of civilization and trade by barter about 5750 years ago, about the time of Adam even though farming had existed for about 10k years.
There are others I can't remember at the moment but I'm very sure of these.
I don't just read the bible. I read other books, science, religion, history etc when I can find them, even Erich Don Vaniken's books about alien technology lol.
I used to be an atheist though and brothers, not to be judgemental, I do not have a right to be, I do not think I can go back to being an atheist with all the things that I've found myself. I do not claim I have all the answers but it's little by little.

If Yahweh is the Islamic God, I wonder why Daniel would say that there would be a destructive desolation in his holy place after the death of the messiah in daniel 9 which the Lord also predicted in matthew 24?
The only object that is currently standing at the Second Temple location is the Al Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the rock.
Also let's read Ezekiel 8:16
Then he brought me to the inner court of the LORD’s Temple. There, at the entrance to the LORD’s Temple, between the porch and the altar, were 25 men, with their backs toward the LORD’s Temple and facing the east, prostrating themselves to the sun.
When Muslims in Jerusalem pray, they pray facing the East, turning their backs on the Temple of the Jews that was destroyed during the Roman invasion that was also predicted in Daniel and by Jesus after the death of the Messiah that was precisely predicted by both Jesus and Daniel.
I can't but wonder why your place of worship would be reffered to as the destructive desolation standing in the holy place if you really are God's servants or children.
You can check the bible and history books for all these things if you think I'm just saying them to make detrimental statements about your religion.
I'm only saying what I say and have traced down history in the Bible.

Well, you might be correct but then i urge you to read 1 Timothy 4:3 and the happenings of the second Lateran council in 1139 AD.
Then we'll know whether because things were written in the bible mean they do not actually happen.
There still are several scriptural prophecies that I've and others also have traced down history even while I was an atheist.

sonmvayina:
Somebody reading one of the Harry Potter books say in 2000 years from now and sees Kings Cross Station will also make the same conclusion that Harry Potter was a good wizard who lived in London...

People use real places or people to tell their fictional stories doesn't mean it actually happened

Well, you might be correct but then i urge you to read 1 Timothy 4:3 and the happenings of the second Lateran council in 1139 AD.
Then we'll know whether because things were written in the bible mean they do not actually happen.
There still are several scriptural prophecies that I've and others also have traced down history even while I was an atheist.

If you check the 613 Mitzvot which are the laws of Moses, you will find out that there are several weird laws in them, like not wearing a cloth made from different materials, not eating pork and some other animals etc. At times I wonder why these materials and animals were made if we really were not allowed to eat them but then I discovered that God brought the Isrealites out to be a nation that is separate from other nations. God was never concerned about eating pigs or whatever, what Yahweh was concerned about was setting a difference between sacrosanctity and profanity. God needed to teach them to set a difference between profanity and holiness of the heart. People had walked with Yahweh before the Torah or Talmund or Tanakh or Mitzvot, even one of them was referred to as a friend of Yahweh because he walked in righteousness and faith. These people would've definitely eaten pigs and several unclean animals according to the Mitzvot, even worn clothes that were deemed unlawful to wear according to the 613 Mitzvot. Little wonder did the Son of Man say that, "hear o Isreal! The Lord thy God, the Lord is one. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, strength and your neighbour as yourself" are the greatest commandments.
God wanted the Isrealis to not do what the other nations were doing and he needed them to set a difference.
God does not revile pigs, etc, He created them.
I have an opinion that God did not hate gentiles before Christ came. He created the provision for salvation for them through Jesus and I think those who died before the salvation got to the gentiles will be judged outside the law because Paul said those that sin in the law will be judged according to it but those that sinned outside the law will be judged outside of it.
Every human being has a living soul as it was given by Elokim himself in Genesis and as Paul said that he ,i.e, every man's inward man, which is the soul, neshama in Hebrew, delights in the law of God but another law is in our members (body) warring against our inward man.
I think those that have died before the the Lord Jesus Christ and the law of God through Jesus Christ or even the laws of Moses will be judged outside those laws.
Thank you sirs/mas

Phil 3 17:19
17 Join together in imitating me, brothers, and pay close attention to those who live by the example we have set for you.

18 For I have often told you, and now tell you even with tears, that many live as enemies of the cross of the Messiah.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on worldly things.

20 Our citizenship, however, is in heaven, and it is from there that we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus, the Messiah.

Lol. Hahahahahahhahaha! That was very funny but you do not need to insult anyone brother.

MrPresident1:
You concern yourself with matters that are too great for your comprehension. You could suffer serious mental damage due to electrical overload on your cerebral cortex. please be guided.

I personally do not like people insulting elderly people but according to the scriptures, daddy freeze is very correct. Very, according to the word of God. Except you disagree with God's word.

Shouldn't there be a crackdown on fraud too ?

stano2:
This man is clueless
Crackdown of ritualists and kidnappers not yahoo

Hehe ! Teenage man.