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Dede1:
@Poster

It is because the Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri and Nupe are detribalized, not overly aggressive, do not like money, will prostrate before the so-called minority in the jungle called Nigeria, definitely do not womanize and do not partake in the oldest known trade to human.

mikeansy:
I really did not know that anyone will confortably make the above argument in the light of the last 100 days.

Donald Duke for FCT Minister

mikeansy, your post is disappointing. One would have thought by now, you would have understood that when Dede1's post  is not overly complex and doesn't require the consultation of dictionaries, encyclopedias, and other research materials, it would have to contain some sort of sarcasm.

Rumours has it that Dede1 is Ojukwu himself.  Read between the lines, he knows too much.  

oyb:
sorry, but what you really seem to be saying is that the biafrans were lousy strategists

oyb, the point you made is spot on, in my opinion as well. Many of the assumptions made by biafran leaders were critical success factors and competent leadership requires that before taking the steps leading to war, no effort should be spared towards ensuring that the assumptions do not turn out wrong, as they indeed turned out.

I'm of the humble opinion that leaders who made these kinds of strategic blunder in addition to countless of other bad decisions, had no business leading. They did a great disservice to millions of dead women and children, to say the least.

RichyBlacK:
ndu_chucks,

You make a fundamental error to think that the human ability to plan is absolute.

I do not believe that human ability to plan is absolute, that would be foolish. If the simultaneous declaration of independence by Western Nigeria was a critical factor as Eziachi stated, then the said leaders made a grave mistake to say the least, for not ensuring that their assumption was correct before making their own declaration. That's all I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less. I maintain that position

Onlytruth:
Just letting you know that your people lost too when they balkanized Nigeria. I know your leaders were too stu'pid not to see the future, so, butt off Biafran issues. If your people were not too evil minded and wicked, you would have continued dialogue like Achuzia pointed out. The war was YOUR fault and you are reaping it now.

As usual, you are doing everything except address the issue I raised. ndo o.

Onlytruth:
You should thank your stars that I was civil with you. Your type will keep looking for answers even if they are hung like a milestone around your neck. You are too dishonest to demand truth. Meanwhile go to Jos and join your brothers in the mayhem.

Onlytruth, it is unfair to call an internet thug and warrior a murderer. What does edoyad have to do with the said incompetence and rascality of those who led the biafran war? olodo

Eziachi:
Please tell me what is war plan that is not based assumption or possibility of a scenario because you can‘t be sure? Unless you have a concrete intelligence of your opponent which exist little in wars. Therefore, according to you, Churchill/the British assumption that America will join them initially against Germany in 1939 is their lack of preparedness and incompetence just because America refused to join or help, against their original assumptions.

Eziachi, first let me say that I believe that you were a soldier that fought with courage and you sacrifised for your cause. That is very admirable.

Many war plans as you mentioned are based on assumptions and uncertain scenarios.  You stated that a critical assumption was made by your leaders that Western Nigeria would declare independence and the fact that it didn't happen was one of the main reasons why biafra lost.  Your words:

we fought to defend our self and made a huge mistake by assuming that our western Nigeria brothers will follow suit and declare independent of their own, but we got it totally wrong.

My point that your leaders should have had enough intelligence or direct meetings with leaders of Western Nigeria before declaring independence, to ascertain that they will not be proceeding on a suicide mission, remains quite valid.

A joint declaration of independence would have worked like a charm. I maintain that this bad assumption by your leaders shows the lack of preparedness and gross incompetence that led you to a senseless war.

Onlytruth:
Coming from a hypocrite. . . .
As Achuzia pointed out, the balkanization of Nigeria was actually what led to the war, so in a way this war was even patriotic. The East fought because it feared present day Nigerian scenario. Eastern leaders feared that a balkanized East was a weakened East which could be easily abused and exploited. Isn't it ironic that the north that cherishes "one north" so much would fight so hard to balkanize the East? Today, there is trouble everywhere. Early Easterners understood that there is strength in numbers (and of course unity of purpose) and tried really hard to fight as one. Some tribes sold out, but others stood firm and fought. History has since vindicated the just. All those who fought hard to defend Biafra have more peace at home that all those who fought against Biafra -even as we speak!

I'm sorry your rants did not address the point I raised. silly you.

Eziachi:
In war, you can plan all you like but unforeseen events will only determine the out come. We did not foresee the role foreign powers played and the extent they went, neither the role Western Nigeria played, it was in fact the biggest shock during the time.

we fought to defend our self and made a huge mistake by assuming that our western Nigeria brothers will follow suit and declare independent of their own, but we got it totally wrong.

The bolded text above shows the lack of preparedness and gross incompetence of your leaders that led you on a senseless war, whose success depended on an assumption that Western Nigerians will declare independence of their own. If this was a critical success factor, your leaders should have had the assurance from Western Nigeria than they will also declare their own independence. This stupidity was a major factor in the loss of lives of millions of people. Quite sad.

naijaking1:
How come I missed this post

@poster
I was moved by the article, so moved that I almost teared up reading the last two paragraphs

Awwww, how sensitive of you! pele o. Please don't shed your tears yet for the article's author who wrote: "And if some of us should fall, the Angel of the Lord will fight for us. Our children will rush forth to meet the enemy at the gates with horns and trumpets of victory. Wherever death shall meet us, it will be welcome, to echo Ernesto Che Guevera." The Author is not in Jos, he is comfortably hiding out in diaspora where he will not die in Jos or in the middle-belt area faced with this violence.

df2006:
either your memory is failing you or you are simply just a liar, scroll up the thread and see for your self what you wrote, trying as much as i can, i see no sarcasm there. out of the abundance of the heart the fingers typeth.
as much as i try to be civil with you, you leave me no choice than to conclude that you are weak.
i am not biafran, even as much as i wished it succeeded.
i wonder who is living in a hole?

If you can't detect the sarcasm in my tongue-in-cheek statement to edoyad, wherein I said Danjuma was very quick to disown one of his own [b]esteemed le[/b]aders, Danjuma, by calling him a traitor, then I can't help you.

It suffices to sat that Danjuma is indeed an esteemed leader to most middle-belters, while edoyad does not consider him as such. Hope the sarcasm is obvious to you now, I will not go into further detail. Now you know where to crawl back to.

Avenir:
I'm really disappointed that you have to resort to these cheap insults to df2006 valid points. He called you out on your points and when caught in a corner, you can only respond with an insult. That was very childish!

I typically do not respond that way to most posters. There is a history that I will not bore you with, that is responsible for my reaction.

His point is not valid as you seem to believe, he inserted a quote from another thread leaving out the context and ignoring the intended sarcasm in the quote, to make a cheap and invalid point. His cheap points deserved the cheap insults.

I apologize if it offends you, no vex. dat df2006, na trouble making biafran tribal bigot wey dey hound me all over the forum.

df2006:
ndu chucks, this is what u wrote above, stating that the people who have been looting from nigeria are the enemies of nigeria and they are from every part of nigeria, true that, you also call them the thieving elite, but then again you contradict your self by your post below





now it seems, you have not made up, your mind on who exactly are the thieving elites, of whom danjuma is one.
thieving elites= traitors.
like eoyad called him, regardless of wether they are from the same region.

but the inference from your quote above is that, a leader from ones region is esteemed, wether he does right or wrong. just like gomwalk is an esteemed leader to edoyad like you said, but was executed for taking part in a coup.
ibb abacha and the rest of the thieving elites, are esteemed leaders to you, even after they have improverish nigerians to their knees.

you see how your mind works which I assume is the average mind of a hausa fulani, this is the re-education that kusamotu is trying to tell you to get, remove the slave mentality your leaders have put on you. not how to read and write.

df2006, Its a complete waste of time to have a logical discussion with a dimwit that cannot distinguish between sarcasms and other forms of expression. Same is true for those who take statements out of context and attempt to use them to make cheap points. I will therefore give you the best answer for a fool in this instance.

df2006, crawl back into the hole from which you came out. olodo

Katsumoto:
Copycat syndrome
Laziness
Focusing on vocations that only bring financial rewards - Everyone wants to be a lawyer, doctor, engineer, banker, etc.
Vacationing in mainly anglo-saxon nations (UK, US). Nigerians go on holiday just to shop. While you will see many Nigerians on Oxford street in London or on 5th Avenue in New York, you will rarely find them in the Louvre or the Antonin Dvorak Museum in Prague. When you find Nigerians in other parts of the world, they are there for economic reasons (buying merchandise or economic migrants).

One dimensional recreation (having multiple girlfriends and children) - Europeans, Aussies, etc travel the world backpacking, learning about other cultures, and also volunteering. Our selfish mind-set stops us from exploring the world. I know people who can not leave Nigeria for more than 3 days because they will be cheated by others in business transactions, etc. What kind of a life is that?

Take a look at Eastern europeans who are bilingual, appreciate art and classical music but are not so wealthy.
By focusing only on money and its concommitant ability to make us stand out in society results in generations who are rich but unenlightened.
Not being charitable.

There are many other reasons but the above easily come to mind. When we change our mindset as a people, our country will be better.

Profound!

Since there is no massive social engineering program in the works, capable of reengineering the Nigerian mind, beginning with primary school children, should one assume that Nigerians are doomed.

EzeUche:
Damn it why is it always on the Lord's Day?  

Time for me to go to the Vatican and ask them to help sponsor a Crusade against these unbelievers. The time for Holy War is at hand!!!

We need to drive these Muslim barbarians back to the Sahara!

Let's not jump to conclusions yet. We don't know who the agressors are or what started this. It may not even be caused by religion but ethnic issues.

Katsumoto:
I stand corrected but a greater percentage of Southerners are educated as compared with Northerners. Also, enlightenment is not the same as education. Whilst Nigerians generally are educated, they tend to be unenlightened.


With regards to the first section in bold, I mentioned this in my initial reply to your post. See below

Apologies, I don't know how I missed that.

What do you think is responsible for the said unenlightenment of educated Nigerians?

edoyad:
^ @nduchuks do i need to say more ? While There's corruption everywhere no where is it committed to brazenly evil by the leaders than up north. Some of the states in question are by far worse than Burundi but all the leadership does is continually exploit there hoards of illiterates who think they're living by to" allah's" will

You are obsessed with the North and very quick to disown one of your own esteemed leaders, Danjuma, by calling him a traitor. I'm sure you will soon call Gowon and Gomwalk traitors once an old Biafran general informs us that your leaders and your people slaughtered defenseless Igbos while they were fleeing agression and returning to the East. Let's see the next middle belter you'll call a traitor in the next few days. olodo

Katsumoto:
Ndu_Chuks
You are right about the above but let us not ignore certain facts. Nigeria finds itself in this predicament because there are thieves in all nooks and crannies in all parts of the country. However, the Northern elite has been able to frustrate the ambitions of genuine leaders from the south by continually keeping the Northern people uneducated so as to use them as pawns in various uprisings and engaging non-progressive people from the South. The day that a majority of the Northern people become educated, enlightened, and independent like their Southern counterparts, Nigeria will be the better for it.

But as long as unqualified and often uneducated people from the North continue to lord over better qualified candidates from the South in all spheres of government (military included), Nigeria will remain as it is or may even descend into chaos. So before you lay the blame on crooks who come from all over Nigeria, try to put into consideration the severe imbalances in the nation.

I'm glad you do not disagree with my statement. Let me also point out that I have not ignored the issues you raised.  One thing to note however is that, in the scenario you mentioned above where you allege that the Northern elite has been able to frustrate the ambitions of genuine leaders, there have always been elites from West/East/ and South who assisted and enabled the frustration of the said ambitions. The Northern elite has never been able to carryout any "political coup" without the active participation of their non Northern counterparts.

I also fully agree with you that there are several imbalances in the nation that need to be addressed very urgently. The point I was making is that to see Northerners, Easterners, Westerners, or Southerners as the sole cause of our problems is quite naive and myopic.

Finally I'll rephrase your statement above as follows: "The day that a majority of the Nigerians become educated, enlightened, and independent like their Southern counterparts, Nigeria will be the better for it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that the majority of any region in Nigeria is educated.

I'm a Nigerian. I met edoyad some weeks ago in a locality called Barnawa.

[quote author=na_so link=topic=408957.msg5642976#msg5642976 date=1267965457]These northerners are just making it easier to break this country. No wahala we will "cooperate" with them . Person wey do anyhow go see anyhow.

So Jonathan staying for the remaining one year is now an ARAM? no wahala.[/quote]When are you guys going to start accepting responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming northerners for all your self imposed problems. Why don't you get Dr. Nwankwo and his Party, the Peoples Mandat Party (PMP), to withdraw their lawsuit.

Does Nwankwo sound like a Northern name to you? Geez

edoyad:
@ ndchuks Thank heavens one of you is around.
TY Danjuma is the devil responsible the death of Ironsi as OP claims, but guess what ? The dinosaur is staunchly behind Jonathan and though i'm suspicious of his motives i know when push comes to shove the hausa happy hour is over. Even traitors/ignoramuses like him who benefitted from the looting of the old arrangement are beginning to wake up to reality of the times.

The most important thing to note is that the ignoramuses, as you put it, who benefitted from the looting of Nigeria are the real enemies and as I've told you countless of times, they hail from every geopolitical region of Nigeria. They are not limited to one tribe or the other . In my humble opinion, your statement about hausa happy hour, is too tribalistic and naive. Let's all hope the happy hour of the thieving elite who hail from all geopolitical regions, is over or will be over soon.

Katsumoto:
Is Kosovo Hon. Patrick Obahiagbon?

edoyad:
All these ghosts from the past. They had their chance to end the impending madness but they failed, now It's time for a new batch of warriors to arise and finish what could not be corrected at first try. Many of these guys were younger than many people right now on NL so i don't think There's a problem of immaturity in this matter.
We're all old enough to chart a new course while making reference to the mistakes of these guys so it doesn't repeat itself.

Your middle belt heros are not painted as roses but as murderers in this interview, ko? I understand your reaction.

Katsumoto:
Achuzia saying that Biafra was not defeated does not change the facts. He was not defeated yet he was incarcerated for 7 years.

The civilians instructed us to stop the war = We surrendered ;  no matter how one attempts to distort it.  The war should have been stopped much sooner, with 3,000 women and children starving to death daily, only senseless leaders would not have promptly surrendered.

This Joe Achuzia of a guy, is a brave man who did not run away and was subsequently jailed for 7 years. I suppose it was the fear of this kind of treatment that caused Ojukwu to flee.

Gbawe:
@Ndu_chucks.


My suspicion may be valid afterall . Some of us are aware of the corrupt and compromised antecedent of Katsina-Alu. We know that he was not drafted in as CJN for nothing.



http://www.saharareporters.com/real-news/sr-headlines/5413-corrupt-chief-justice-katsina-alu-other-justices-plot-legal-coup-against-nigerians.html

@Gbawe, my response to you remains the same:

Would justice be served if this case is now thrown out of court because of your suspicion and that of the authors of the article you posted? I don't believe Dr. Nwankwo and his party think so. They intend to win this lawsuit.

df2006:
ha ha ha ! and what is the psyche of the north pls?

Rain has fallen again. Crawl back into your hole, the rain has stopped. olodo

Gbawe:
Haba my brother !!! "Justice is served" three years after Yar Adua became President coincindental with a power vacuum , allied with a desperation to ensure that Jonathan has no real executive power, and you talk about not understanding my "outrage"? I am not outraged at all. I am only suspicious at "justice" that seems politically expedient rather than sincere. I don't see how you can wonder why sane Nigerians would be suspicious of the timing of "justice" when those who want to prevent Jonathan gaining power have shown do-or-die desperation plus total disregard for decorum and decency.

Gbawe, you are not party to the lawsuit in question and I understand your suspicion. The presidential candidate who filed the lawsuit feels otherwise. Here is an extract of a their issued statement:

Dr. Nwankwo and our Party, the Peoples Mandat Party (PMP) went to the court of Appeal to annul the election of President Umaru Yar'Adua and Vice President Goodluck Jonathan, based on the electoral inconsistencies and irregularities that brought them to power.
We accept this ruling of the Supreme Court for the Appeal Courts mother of all legal-politico fight. As a party of veteran political street fighters, we are cognizant of but not bothered by the predictable multifaceted political calculations and intrigues our adversaries will bring to the arena. We will win!

Would justice be served if this case is now thrown out of court because of your suspicion? I don't believe Dr. Nwankwo and his party think so. They intend to win this lawsuit.

Gbawe:
Spot on. Removing Yar Adua , as a result of a competent Court of law overturning his election victory, means that Jonathan will automatically be made redundant as well since the VP is on a joint ticket with the President. OBJ caused all these problems with his deliberate poor choice of President and Vice President. In Jonathan , OBJ chose a man who , even with ultimate power, will always find it difficult to command respect from those he leads without the deployment of folks like himself and Danjuma.

OBJ chose a man (Jonathan) who will always need himself and the other self-serving destroyers of Nigeria (Anenih, Danjuma , et al) for acceptance . He thought he had done similar with Yar Adua but was foiled by the 'esprit de corps' with which the North operate i.e , as a principle, they always fervently support their own when push comes to shove. Callous and self-serving machinations from a callous and supremely self-serving individual (OBJ). I am not a fan of Jonathan's leadership style but I feel OBJ , as usual, has used another less-discerning pawn (like Ribadu, El Rufai, Fani-Kayode , et al) to actualise his nefarious agenda. I feel sorry for Jonathan. I sincerely hope he fares better than others who have been used and dumped by OBJ.

Gbawe, if justice is served by any verdict which nullifies the 2007 presidential election, an election that you yourself are implying that is rigged and engineered by Obasanjo, then I don't understand your outrage. Its about time that we started to applaud the application of rule of law and let it take its cause before screaming, Northern agenda.

edoyad:
Iko from southern kaduna is middle belt to be specific. When Obasanjo had Air marshal Wuyep(plateau state) as chief of Airstaff, Agwai as Army and i think Adekeye from Kwara as navy chief, all of them from the middle belt, the hausa people were still crying marginalisation in the military. so is it now that Iko who is from the same LG as Martin Luter Agwai has suddenly become a northerner

You can claim that people from the middle belt are not Northerners, but the rest of the world knows that they are Northerners.  Middle belt my behind.   Yes some states may be classified for political explorationary reasons, but people from those state do not sudden stop being Northerners.

Iko is a blood Northerner, albeit a non hausa/fulani.

Dede1:
@POST

Who is more corrupt in Nigerian society than the ingrate called Theophilus Danjuma? I guess the fast acting of the Acting President should be in the form of issuing an order for Theophilus Danjuma’s arrest.

What crimes should Theophilus Danjuma be arrested for, please be specific? Did he commit those crimes as a businessman or a government official?

vigasimple:
The man is talking from the Northerner psyche of his mouth
This is exactly what Soludo said when the bubble was about to burst, the whole world is suffreing from the impact of the global recession in a world economy that is not only interconnected but interdependent on another. Investors move monies in seconds to diferent countries for safety.

Since his counterpart brother from Kastina state is running the country on proxy then can anyone tell me what is wrong with the country in Sanusi Lamido's opinion?

The irony is that only we southerners worry about those sort of issues, as far our Northern brothers are concern, what is the problem?

By way of illustration, there is Governor in the 80's from Kano state called Bakin Zuwo. When the military struck in December 1983, there was a rumour that they found about N5 million naira ( equivalent today' N1.250BILLION) in his safe at the governor's house or lodge. The Military guys were alledge to question him,

Military: Governor, where did you get this money from?

He replied

Bakin Zuwo; He asked them what was the problem?, This is government money, I am the Governor, this is the government house ?


To our brothers in the North, Governace, money, religion can be done as the leader wishes. They swear by Allah and don't uphold the tenent of Islam. They lie barfaced like their master Yar A'liar.

What also worry me about Sanusi lamido is that he is one of the bright star in that Region and he still behaving like a PDP politician. Maybe because they appointed him, it is rubbing off on him, that one day he may declare his intention like SOLUDO to become the Governor of Kano state even though his royal entitlement is only to the crown of Kano city.

Certainly Sanusi need to used his medication as prescribed by the shrink for thinking or saying that the country economy is not or will not be affected by the political instability. No serious business person risk their money in a politically uncertain country or economy, and that is Economics 101, even Market women understand this.

vigasimple, To say that I'm a bit disappointed in you and your post above would be a gross understatement. You started out by with what you called the Northerner psyche, and as an illustration of the said psyche, you used one of the most incompetent and deplorable governors in the North. You know fully well that Bakin Zuwo's utterrances do not reflect the so called pshche you talked about. Your posts here is disingenuous to say the least and may be due to latent bigotry.

I thought you were one of the detribalized forumites here, but I guess I was wrong.

006:
If there should be any war again in Nigeria, Ndigbo will simply ignore the Northerners and wipe out Ijaws.
We've really learnt our lesson.

What an insensitive statement! What lessons advised such a comment?

I knew it, it didn't take them very long to love each other

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