₦airaland Forum

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"the guidelines issued by the CBN for the operation of Islamic banking stipulated that no form of discrimination would be allowed in terms of employment, structure and transaction"

So yes, Christians can seek employment in Islamic banks or banks that operate Islamic finance divisions. Also Christians can obtain loans and financing from Islamic banks
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Texas,

Thanx man!!! Mark what I say, while southerners are protesting it, Ghanian Christians will come in and take advantage of the resource.

Interest free banking is an Islamic injunction. Nobody invented it. It is part of the mandates of Prophet Mohammed (SAW) to his followers. So if interest free banking should be called "Islamic".

Neither Prophet Moses (SAW) nor Prophet Jesus (SAW) was ordered by God to do that, otherwise the Europeans would have introduced that to us as they did many other Judeo-Christian beliefs that we adopted and unconsciously still use in our society today.

Our jurisprudence is Judeo-Christian but we critize Shariah in the North; our work week (Saturday and Sunday off) is Judeo-Christian; our celebration of Jan Ist as new year is Judeo-Christian.

So let's think about how the Christian philosophy is acceptable to us but an Islamic one is not. That's hypocritical.

Werepe,

Govts use thinktanks to feel their way around policies.

NL is not a think tank but the interaction here contributes, for good or bad, to the general awareness and thoughts of Nigerians that congregate here. If I may add, non Nigerians as well.

Tpia, I understand the points you are making. I am not narrating history, I am challenging an attempt to bend history.

To better understand and capture the whole picture you will have to read Ogbuefi, Physics, Agbotaen and there is one or more other people on this issue. Go read the entire contributions and you will get the picture.

Ogbuefi is pushing propaganda to build a soft image for Anioma. It is expected that the move to create Anioma state will meet with great pushback in both Edo and Delta states. So this is part of the grassroot work on the Igbo side.

Anuioma is a sentimental spot in the Igbo spirit. It was nothing, it still is nothing but to make it "something" worth popular acceptance a glorious past is needed that gives it antiquity presence.

Its nothing but BS! Its okay to fight for Anioma, we all wish the people and their aspirations well but not at the cost of denigrating noble cultures and thrones with simplistic plots of crap!

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Ask any Edo, Akure or Owo person who is vast in history if there have never been any wars between these three states.
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There is lifelong war between Ife and Modakeke but its territorial skirmishes, a flare of emotions that shuts down the town for few days while everyone get their sense back and return back to their boundary lines. A war between Bini and Akure/Owo that called for the Oba of Bini to adopt a strategy would also have been lethal enough that it would equally draw the attention of Obokun of Ijeshaland or Oba of Ekiti. In contemporary scale that would be an international war like cross country between say Nigeria and Republic of Benin. In those days prisoners of war are carted off as slaves. Obokun will not sit back and watch Omo N'Oba snatch his children away, neither will Omo N'oba not get his own back if Obokun attacked his domain. Every war at interstate level in Yorubaland has record in name, date and outcome.

I need you to provide these and prove me wrong.


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It was customary in those days for states to recruit in their ranks people that may not be of native origin
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Yes it was but empires had a native warrior corps and its a lineage so that children born into that family are in turn raised to be warriors. Reserve army consisted of foreigners and slaves and would not be the spearhead of an imperial combat. But like you said if children of Ujie were emnployed as marauders, then their task was limited to act as deterrents - a force deployed to the frontier as a symbol of strength and density, opposed to combating army. Still, an imperial Oba will not be involved at such a granular level of war strategy, much less cajoling a clan.




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Benins were experts in this. For instance in Ugbodu(an Anioma) is a qtr called "Ologhosa". According to traditional history , Oba Ehengbuda of Benin had invaded Anioma communities looting and carting people as slaves
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Stop right here!
Oba Ehengbuda did what now?


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but the Olukwumi towns of Ugbodu and Ukwunzu struck a deal with the Oba to act as military outposts or spies for the Benin Kingdom.One of Oba Ehengbuda  trusted warrior was one Ologun who is of Owo origin( now see the case in reverse) and he was ask to settle in Ugbodu where his descendants constitute the Ologhosa qtr while a shrine named after the Oba was intalled at Ukwunzu.Thus these two towns became sites which the Edos could use to invade other Anioma communities and demand for tributes.
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I'm fighting hard to restrain my tongue!

You know what let me ask you a question Ogbuefi. Was this your fantasy Anioma even a state?  You see why I call you a propagandist. You are falsifying and rewriting historical accounts and fabricating conjectures to manufacture a Igbo foothold in an aboriginal land that was previously void of Igbo or Nri or Aro presence until the arrival of European missionary which recruited Igbo as its agent into the remote jungle where the terrain and weather were adverse to their health and posed risk to life. In addition that these remote communities were antagonistic to the white man presence. Igbo was the soft buffer through which that missionary job was spread to instruct and teach the ways of the white man and this in effect forced the wholesale of your language thereby influencing native tongues. Prior to your hinterland missionary work Bini had established foothold and installed a ruling class in this your Anioma.

Lukumi is the language of the Ugbodu and its sister towns and their ethnicity is Yoruba. They are from Akure/Owo area and settled on this land. You fabricated a story of how Oba of Bini cajoled your Anioma to go fight and, I guess pillage their land like he did in Anioma, their land and now we see that even a son of that soil, an Owo warrior loyal to Omo N'Oba was part of the plot. So altogether we have Oba first lootiong Anioma, then using Anioma sons to go loot another land and then encouraged a traitor to lead that looting.

You should be a screen writer.

So the people of Ugbodu that begged Oba to join his army on the mission to loot westward into Yorubaland, were they Igbo or the settlers that had migrated from Akure/Owo axis?

You don't need to answer, I already know where your plot was headed.

Anioma must have been an Empire back then, 'cos looks like everytime Anioma featured in your story the Oba of Bini was involved in the matter. They were a great threat that consumed much of his time and focus. Not just one Oba, but successive ones.

Physics, why do you allow this riffraff loser to insult the throne like this for God's sake?


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2) Like I say before Agbontaen is no match to me as it relates to the Ika and Anioma people as well as their history and civilization because he has from the beginning  chosen to be biased about certain issues which I usually present to him.
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Oh yeah! How is propaganda more credible than bias?



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Of course the word "Igbo" was adopted  from somewhere just as the word "Yoruba " was used in reference to the Old Oyo Empire(now used for all Yoruba speaking peoples).
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Oh Negro, take a deep breath. . .

In. . . Out; In. . . . .Out!!
Now, don't say it, hush and let it go!!
I'm forced to take a break on this one, be back later.

'Cont from break. . .

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During the reign of Oba Ewuare many Anioma clans were invaded by Benin forces and some of them were cajoled to join the imperial Benin army when they refocused their imperial tendencies westwards towards Yorubaland.
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What an insult!

Bini kingdom cajoling a clan to fight its war against Yoruba! Really?

On what scale was Anioma to Bini that a monarch will need cajoling them to take up positions which in those ages was a "honorable" service and the King only needed to give his command to it and the order was completed.

You are inferring with your nonsense that
1. the King had to enter into some negotiation to overcome their reluctance to serve in his royal warrior corps.

2. That Bini was depleted in its warrior population and dependence on a neighboring clan is necessary in order to go raid another monarchy state.

3. That Bini standing army could not lead and win a war against Akure/Owo, Anioma have more gallant warriors that can lead the incursion westward and get this job done and that an Anioma son Ujie, who until before was not a warrior of any mighty caliber but we now see him commanding Bini imperial army into Yorubaland, Akure/Owo to be specific.


I'm truly shocked that Physics took all that rubbish calmly. I'm not Bini directly but I'm vexed at this insult and your twists to uphold Anioma as a great land of bravemen. The Oba only had to give his command and the whole Anioma and beyond, all the way to the Niger will be leveled. This is not even an error, this is insanity.

I'm so upset about that falshood that the "ignorant" Negro wants to jump out and tell you what I think of you. But no, I will keep that in reserve for later.

I don't care who you are Ogbuefi, next time you insult the Bini crown with your BS you will hear my tongue. Seriously!!

Ogbuefi,

As you probably already know by now I recently annointed myself a sentinel. I prowl around looking for mis-informaton aimed at discrediting Yoruba history. I shoot a flame-tipped arrow at the falsehood and if the miscreant author insists that he is standing on a truthful account then I ask for proof. That is a deliberate act of goodwill in hope the party regains their sense and drop the issue. This is what I did in your case.

I have brought both your statements on the subject of a war between Bini and Akure/Owo and they are inserted below in quotation markers. There are many issues to attend to in your response, I'm taking it in piecemeal, starting with the Akure/Owo issue. People might wonder why something that far back in history and of no impact today is absorbing this much of my time and focus. My answer to that is, the issue is not an isolated reference in your thoughts, it has profound meaning and it is physically anchored in the discussion on ANIOMA. One of the principal ethnic group in what you call ANIOMA-IGBO is indeed a ANIOMA-YORUBA. Your calculated intent to mention Bini/Akure/Owo in a write up on Western and Eastern Igbo clans was not missed on my end at all.

Your opponent on the topic, Physics, caught your drift, I'm sure, but did not see fit to challenge it because it promotes and augments his own ideologue position on who was more mighty between Ife and Bini. So by false account Akure/Owo was a collateraly lost in the battle of mutual interests to promote and counter promote Bini/Anioma.

Let's take a look at your first and second commentaries on Akure/Owo. I will provide my own assessment of your pose in both situations.


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During the reign of Oba Ewuare many Anioma clans were invaded by Benin forces and some of them were cajoled to join the imperial Benin army when they refocused their imperial tendencies westwards towards Yorubaland.The sons of Ijue, the founder and first Obi of Ute Okpu were involved in the wars against such towns like Akure and Owo and for many years were engaged in those wars
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Here you sounded "authoritative" on the information. Like you have a first rate undisputably accurate information to go by.


After asking you to provide specifics on this battle you came back with the following:


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Ask any Edo, Akure or Owo person who is vast in history if there have never been any wars between these three states.It was customary in those days for states to recruit in their ranks people that may not be of native origin.Benins were experts in this. For instance in Ugbodu(an Anioma) is a qtr called "Ologhosa". According to traditional history , Oba Ehengbuda of Benin had invaded Anioma communities looting and carting people as slaves but the Olukwumi towns of Ugbodu and Ukwunzu struck a deal with the Oba to act as military outposts or spies for the Benin Kingdom.One of Oba Ehengbuda  trusted warrior was one Ologun who is of Owo origin( now see the case in reverse) and he was ask to settle in Ugbodu where his descendants constitute the Ologhosa qtr while a shrine named after the Oba was intalled at Ukwunzu.Thus these two towns became sites which the Edos could use to invade other Anioma communities and demand for tributes
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In this case posing as a "distant observer" with zero interest on the authenticity.

Well, I don't need to ask anyone because I know exactly where your claim will lead. I wish to say it is an insult on the throne of Bini for many of these nonsense you attribute to that crown.

I have more followups on this but for now I need to attend to some other things here.