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2 Chronicles 20:18
18 And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with[ his] face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the Lord, worshipping the LORD.
20 And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.
22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.

This is God's response to singing:
2 Chronicles 20:14-22
14 Then upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, came the Spirit of the Lord in the midst of the congregation;
15 And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the Lord unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle[ is] not yours, but God's.

Joagbaje:
^^^^
so that means we bring forth fruit in and out of season?

Certainly Jo but you see its not a man's doing as much as there's a whole a lot one has to do but God doesn't leave us without support.
2 Corinthians 3:5
"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency[ is] of God"

John 4:23-24
23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

Whenever ever l look at this scripture, l see a conflict of natures and a clash of of mind-sets
You see because we were made to understand that based on the natural process for figs, this was not the time for figs the bear but yet Jesus Christ knowing this yet placed an expecting on that tree. This could only imply that He related to that fig tree with the mind-set of one who bears fruit in and out of season. This is God's expectation for us today where we are independent of circumstances.

KunleOshob:
I don't recollect asking you whether you use galaxy or Ipad, I was talking about CEC pastors in Lagos And of what business is it of mine if you can afford an Ipad or even a nokia 3310? Anyway thanx for confirming what I have always suspected. Evidently just like Joagbaje you are also a CEC pastor.

@all
Kindly note that with the above slip newmumu has betrayed the fact that he is a pastor at CEC. Kindly take that into consideration in all future dealings with him.

The issue of me, you and the galaxy must have been a simple fact of me dealing with two independent issues at the same time and in turned out that l jostled both in a mixture of transferred aggression sorry about that. Any way just fir the records, l am not a pastor and l would kindly invite you to join come on board and pace-up with the future you see because today's technology is a gift from God for us effectively and easily do the work of ministry. Once again sorry about that and thank you.

@ kunleshob
Oga kuns kuns it has become obvious that l have not given you as much attention as l seem to have dedicated to my nuclear bonboi anyway just for the records, most of the pastors in CEC are workers and business men, bankers, Oil workers etc. And more importantly, it would crude and foolish for you or anyone to think that in CEC only pastors use gadgets generally l laugh! We are on track with the future and its not our fault it is the grace of God not any man's doing.
With regards to the issue me using a galaxy and not an ipad, l laugh and spit at your comments it only reveals our crude your mind is, because what difference does it make. Anyway l opt for the galaxy not because l can't afford an ipad on the contrary l use it because for me is handy and portable and for the most part its a phone hahahaha. so Oga kuns kuns wake from your slumber there better issues to be discussed.

@jesoul
"Nevertheless, I encourage my fellow section members to go easy with him . Feel free to expres yourselves with the usual
fervence but please try to put a lid on the personal stuff"

l mean no disrespect but l don't want to believe that this is the response one gets for trusting the moderators enough to report a purported infringement and an abuse of his privacy which l am made to believe according to nairaland rules and regulations is unethical and prohibited

"The invasion of another user' s privacy is now strictly prohibite d - example : posting a lady' s full name ,  . ." if the moderators must be taken serious these rules must be adhered to for the good of tthis forum. This always has been the problem with Nigeria many rules, laws, bye laws etc but no will power or sincerity to implement them rather they only use them as tools and mechinaries of victimization toward others perhaps they were dozing and dizzying when these rules were drafted, l don't. want to that this was the case with those who drafted these rules for nairaland perhaps for the mere purpose of have rules l think you guys are better than that.

l mean this is disgusting, even the thought of it offends me like the smell of shit from an abandoned suck-away. What will the age of a man add to the gospel fir God sake it just shows how degrading fallow minds like this have degenerated to. We have an alarming chunk of the worlds population yet to here the gospel and here is one dumb fellow who is stupidly concerned about the age of a man. Nonsense! l spit on this again and again!

crossman9:
Great Controversy Over His Real Age In Christ Embassy

Well in the church there is some points the church members don’t discuss nor do the members even want to know about and even if you go on Google it is very hard to find out (Pastor Chris Oyakhilome) his real age no one in the church seems to know his real age, it is closely guarded secret goodness knows why, but they are quick to announce his birthday bashes ever year and lavishing him, with millions in gifts and praise him endlessly but if you ask people in the church most will just simple say they don’t know his age, it’s like a blank wall you run into they will tell you it is not in portent which you would find strange because they place all this energy into entertaining him yet this simple but easy every day fact is kept top secret?
But why all the great sense of mist eke and mysteries surrounding him; there has been some people who have had the privilege of even interviewed him and asking a similar question what is your real age he simply replied (Pastor Chris Oyakhilome) by saying check the records; I was educated in Nigeria there is records yet in all of Nigeria people see In local papers announcing his birthday, but never his age most people in the modern world, when having a birthday have a cakes a with candles on it or one and a age with numbers saying “Happy Birthday” so why are you hiding a simple fact, they only know he was (Born on the (7th) December) but nothing like this revealing his age.

“Ex Mother in Law” said something in “South Africa” when I was living there for a short period. She said the following
Quote Ex Mother in Law: (One’s life should be like an open book anyone should be able to read it?)

Meaning your life everyone should be able to see who you are with no hidden; columns or secrets in short there is no lies or deceptions in you? And you would be like a glass everyone can see who you are as a person this is not the case with him? He does not like the media and only selects journalist that are “Pro-Christ Embassy” people interviewing him. there is no real journalism in the church it only protects the image of the “Mini god” protecting the image of their “icon” is more impotent than being open and honest as origination and as a “Head Pastor” (Pastor Chris Oyakhilome) he should just tell people his age and put inquisitive minds to rest seeing he is surrounded with such great Controversy everywhere he goes?

Bolingbroke, Henry St. John, Viscount (1678-1751) Plan truth will influence half a score of men at most in a nation. Or an age, while mystery will lead millions by the nose. [Letter, 1721]
It took me a lot of digging to find this out this but he must love Controversy to keep people captivated?
But I have found out his real age and day he was born, and which is the following:
(Sunday Date of Birth: (07/12/1953) this makes him if you take the current year (2011) and calculate the years it makes him (Aged 57)
So now you know the truth of his age you can sleep a little better at night lol Ha-Ha?

Doyle, Sir Arthur Conan (1859-1930) How often have i said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth [the sigh of four]
So the conclusion he should just tell people and get rid of the air of mysteries surrounding him.
Here is a mock image intended for a little humour with some facts attached: with his real age?

l spit on this again and again!
of what consequence is this to body of Christ and the gospel. Please stop all this obnoxious display of deep frustrated idleness. l spit on this again! Go get busy with things that are much more important, meaningful and that has eternal value.

Zikkyy:


This one no be meditation again oh

Na watin?

22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

l have often wondered why in the world did Jesus curse this fig tree because by every standards the bible records that it wasn't any fault of the fig tree because "it wasn't the time or season for figs" so why did Jesus curse this fig"innocent" fig tree?

And Jesus wasn't in anyway apologetic or sorry
"20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.

14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard[ it]"

13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not[ yet].

"12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:

Of what consequence is if He did or didn't please there better issues to be discussed

Enigma:
Regarding heresies: they amount to heresies because they/some of them (a) go against the teachings of Christ; (b) go against the teachings of the apostles; (c) go against the historic teaching of the Church; (d) go against common sense; (e) are demonic.

Good, well for starters l like the expression ". . . because they/some of them.  . . " hmmm! this means that there are certain areas that you think and you convinced that we are getting it right ok please can build from there because you have always criticized perhaps this is one opportunity to say something good. Please what are this areas.?

Enigma:
Regarding heresies: they amount to heresies because they/some of them (a) go against the teachings of Christ; (b) go against the teachings of the apostles; (c) go against the historic teaching of the Church; (d) go against common sense; (e) are demonic.

In any event, you are wasting my time because you know well that on various threads, we explained teachings that were unbiblical and why but what did you do? Run away; get evasive when asked simple questions; join together with the rest of your cohort to derail the topic completely with inanities and insults as you lot are shamefully doing only just above and as you are well known for.

A few of the questions that you lot (and you personally) have run away from.

1. Was Jesus "born again"?
2. Was Jesus tortured in hell by Satan and demons?
3. Can Christians pray to or through Christ.
4. Are you Christ?
5. Is a non-tither robbing God?

This is a very small number of the questions that you have run away from.

Regarding your request on what is the gospel, read the below and work your way from there.

Romans 5

Enigma:
join together with the rest of your cohort to derail the topic completely with inanities and insults as you lot are shamefully doing only just above and as you are well known for.

Well l mean no disrespect l think l will take that as a compliment but frankly speaking l can't see anything tone of insult in my earlier post perhaps you should read it again my friend.

Snowwy:
Hmmmmn, last ditch attempts to at least save face with someone. Despite warnings from 'the gang', he says he did not want to be pushed.
I simply wonder what was pushing him since evryone had told him not to bother.

The 'great revelation' turned out to be nothing afterall.
The mail is self explanatory, however, i am not surprised to se how it was twisted.

Am surprised you expected anything from his so called "great revelation"you see, this my bonboi he always never has anything meaningful to contribute other than an investment of his folly and naughtiness. For instance in the thread: "When did the Apostles get born again" ask him what his contribution were nothing but napkin rubbish always inciting dissension, anyway he doesn't deserve the least of attention.

Enigma:
You guys can continue preaching your heresies; at least you are getting some crumbs from Oyakhilome; it is the mumus who are giving you frauds their "tithes", offerings, and "offer 7s" that I pity more than anything.

So Mr. Enigma please you have pointed out certain areas of which in your own reasoning you consider as "heresies" my question to you is in what way does these things you have mentioned amount to be described as "heresies".
Also what is your own definition of "the gospel" that is "the gospel" to you.

NLMediator:
Generally, my take is that it is not good form to bring up the fact or content of private correspondence into the public arena. Except extraordinary circumstances warrant divulging such information, like when a life is directly at stake. E.g., somebody writes that he or another person plans to hurt Miss B or Mr. C.

My dear you don't know this fellow, his name is "Nuclearbonboi" and that is what he truely is a bonboi one that cannot be trusted by any standards once he defiled the rules on forum and  illegally gained access into Joagbaje's facebook account  and contrary to the so called rules (because nothing serious was rendered as punishment to him) was childish and cheap enough to publish photos of Jo and his church on nairaland constituting a bridge privacy.

Now to this my bonboi when will you eventually grow up because this your childishness is disgusting. At least you confirmed that you are not the only one who has had some form of contact with Joagbaje why must it be you who must act childishly

@yommyuk
No SEEING IS BELIEVING at all, that is for the world because its not scriptural rather BELIEVING IS SEEING
"John 20:29
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed[ are] they that have not seen, and[ yet] have believed"

So l wonder on what basis your affirmation is founded

frosbel:
The Gospel of Jo,  is quite a strange one :


1.  Sow and reap doctrine only when it involves MONEY.

2.  Preaching against sin is salvation with works 

3.  Falling down ,  barking like a dog and all such signs are Holy Spirit manifestations 

4.  Pointing out doctrinal errors to protect the sheep from wolves in sheep clothing is judgmentalism 


Anyway he is still my brother, I will be praying for him,   


Please add any others I may have missed out.

l spit on this

nuclearboy:
Further details of the "gospel" (according to Joagbaje)

Lying, deceit & manipulation are allowed since you're no longer a sinner
You have a right to insult others only if you're on his side else you're a sinner
Chris Oyakilome is always right
Chris Oyakilome must not be queried

l spit on this

l am aware that you set of twisted minds have been very uncomfortable with the apparent peace this forum has enjoyed in the past days, your rest has been divorced from you since there was nothing to argue about and no occasion to grant expression to your perverted minds always seeking new ways to paint the Christianity in the bad light of a "house set against" itself. Well l have words for yah all YOU ALL HAVE FAILED THIS FORUM WILL RISE UP FROM THE DUST AND DIRT OF THE BAD NAMES KIDS LIKE YOU HAVE GIVEN IT AND LIVE UP TO ITS TRUE IDEAS OF INFORMING, EDUCATING AND INSPIRING PEOPLE

@ eccentric

eccentric:
@newmi: typical of a CE member, always tryin 2 dodge pain at all costs. If Christ had been of your doctrine he'd not hav bn able 2 go to de cross. Instead, he wld have begun petitioning the Father for His 'Abrahamic blessings' on earth. The truth abt the cross brought Jesus a lot of physical & mental agony (hurt) but it gave him & all freedom in de long run. Inorder, to enjoy de bliss of freedom you must be ready to bear its cost. good luck 2 y'all wit your fantastic, unchristlike teachings. peace out!

l know you are a handicapped with scriptures to support your references anyway this is a scripture to support that reference with respect to Jesus Christ
Hebrews 12:2
"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that set before endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God"
But kid what bearing does it have hahahahaha there is pain here or are you in any pain please for help l would gladly come to your aid
l think you should go get yourself a bible class

eccentric:
Y'all CE APologists can come tonguelash me if u like. But de truth is, truth hurts.

Question: What truth
and by the way no truth hurts rather the bible tells us that truth makes a man free and am not aware anywhere in the world where freedom hurts
John 8:32
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free"[b][/b]

@essentric
l think you are just living out your name and you fit the discription of an imposter

dorox:
Nigeria is so religious that a certified mad person shouting in Jesus name in public would get some Amen.

isn't it better than an atheistic, godless and sensual Euro and America, at least even a "mad" man recognizes the name of Jesus (that is if you are referring to Jesus Christ the one l know you see because there are people who bear that as their name) that means he won't be long in his "mad" state

Joagbaje:
@newmi
Yes , I believe according to that passage that a time will come that perfect truth will be made manifest.

Are there any guidance as to how we could recognize "that time" [/b]when it comes just like the disciples asked "what shall be the signs of thy coming. . . "
From your own perspective, would you say that we are any where near [b]"that time"

Joagbaje:
And the universal church will gain ascendancy.

What is your definition of this "Universal Church", Who does it include?

Joagbaje:
We are gradually seeing into the perfect light .

What do you mean when you say "the perfect light" and who is in possession of this so called "perfect light" especially when nearly every person believes he or she can interpret scripture.

@Martian
l just have questions for you
1. Are you born again
2. If yes, are you filled with the Holy Spirit

Answers to these questions would determine a whole lot of things

newmi:
@ Joabgaje
l am yet to get a reply l wanted to know based on your own understanding what your opinion was with respect to the possibility of the fulfillment of this scripture in Ephesians 4:13[b] "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ"[/b] especially when one puts into perspective the increased difference and variance in beliefs that exist in the body Christ and more than ever seem to be escalating.
How can this "unity of faith" happen

newmi:
@ Joabgaje
l am yet to get a reply l wanted to know based on your own understanding what your opinion was with respect to the possibility of the fulfillment of this scripture in Ephesians 4:13[b] "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ"[/b] especially when one puts into perspective the increased difference and variance in beliefs that exist in the body Christ and more than ever seem to be escalating.
How can this "unity of faith" happen

Any answers because this is taking too long for you to respond