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Goldieluks:
@OP,
i don't think he gave his life to Christ,
and that is the most saddest of all.
Take a look at this,and see how many souls are burning in hell,because of disobedience.
its so sad,but true,that is why those of us who still have life,should dedicate it all to God our maker.


http://www.testimoniesofheavenandhell.com/2011/03/angelica-zambrano-was-shown-the-kingdoms-of-heaven-and-hell-and-the-return-of-christ/

Thanks for link l'll visit the site

KunleOshob:
Mmmh 'Jesus' finally confirms that he also uses the 'toba' user I.D I thought it was only cec folks that were into this multiple I.D racket.

Wait a minute what are you talking are you not the one notorious for using multiple IDs

Goldieluks:
@OP,
i don't think he gave his life to Christ,
and that is the most saddest of all.
Take a look at this,and see how many souls are burning in hell,because of disobedience.
its so sad,but true,that is why those of us who still have life,should dedicate it all to God our maker.


http://www.testimoniesofheavenandhell.com/2011/03/angelica-zambrano-was-shown-the-kingdoms-of-heaven-and-hell-and-the-return-of-christ/

Thanks for link l'll visit the site

manmustwac:
How do you expect somebody who was born and bred in Saudi Arabia (which just happens to be the heart of islam) to give his life to some jewish dude called CHRIST!!!

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[/quote][quote author=PAGAN 9JA link=topic=658160.msg8245940#msg8245940 date=1304350523]me, am Pagan n proud.

So as a proud Pagan what do you believe

Azibalua:
I hope someone actually preached christ to him while he lived

I hope so too

There are several positive ideals one could learn from the man Osama Bin Ladin
1. His leardership qualities
Outside the idea of whether what he was involved in was right or wrong, it takes great and influencial leader to masterfilly raise others to think, act, live like him and inspire continuity
2. His commitment and consistency to his course
The man was an example of determination and total dedication to a course

3. His extent of sacrifice
Though he was very rich by inheritance and could afford the best of all pleasures, luxury and satisfaction that money can bring yet for the sake of "the course" he had embraced, he choose to deny himself prefering rather to live in caves, buildings in isolated areas and mountains logically to operate incognito.
Though in his own eyes he felt justified but if he never had Jesus Christ he is doomed

Enigma:
Thanks sis, God bless and keep you.

Oh no! Lol am male. Thank you too

I wish the best

@Enigma
We pray in His name and by Him (Christ in us)

@Enigma
It is interesting the fact you brought up these translations and the inter-usage of the words "by" and "through", but the point l believe Pastor Chris is keen to pass across as explained in the article joagbaje posted is simple which in effect is, whether "by" or "through" it makes no difference especially when one puts into retrospect the Greek word from whence these translations were deduced: the word "dia" which depending on the context could both be translated as "by" or "through" the same goes for several others words like "soteria" for salvation which could also be translated health; safety, deliverance, rescue. You see the point is that now as lively stones (1pet 2:5) because according to Ephesians 2:1nd5-6 we were dead in our sins trespasses but now God has quickened us TOGETHER with Christ and has raised us up TOGETHER with Christ and has made us to sit TOGETHER in heavenly places we can now as priests in the new order (1pet 2:9, Rev 1:6) access The Father boldly (Heb 4:16) with our sacrifice being acceptable to Him IN THE NAME OF JESUS

Americans celebrate in front of white house over the announcement that Osama Bin Laden is dead.
Osama Bin Ladin was born in Saudi Arabia to a wealthy business man and he in his teenage years inherited about 100million dollars. Records has that he first arrived in Afganistan to fight againt the Russians with a military force that supported by the United State. But am at amazed at the commitment of a man with all his wealth to a course refusing all the luxuries and comforts that money could buy only to dedicate himself to what he believes even though what he believed was radically wrong.
Great news but did he give is heart to Christ

Enigma:
i.e. they now replace Christ etc etc etc ad nauseam

Nobody can replace Christ

kandiikane:
@EarsWide, the average pastor is a fraud.

So how did you come about you conclution l would want to know

blink182:
Unto church things, how does pastor manage to run all these things and still manage to do the work of God. I need to meet this man one on one

This the answer
Zechariah 4:6
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This[ is] the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

@sleekymag
Great and inspiring record he is truely a great man

free123:
it's quite amazing how some pastors have left the message of salvation for prosperity message.
Later Gombs of cec will come and tell us how he graduated from elementary to tertiary gospel.
These are men working for their bellies, commercialising the word of God and

Ok oga what is the message of salvation that you feel has been neglected perhaps you missed the account of mission works in the thread to Africa and other parts of the world including China yes China but you even the closest hostile village you haven't ventured

EarsWide:
There really in no point in debating christian issues with Joagbaje or anyone else that attends CEC.

Chris Oyakhilome is a fraud who most likely does not even really believe in God (if he did would he be brave enough to fake miracles ?)

There really is no point in debating finer points of christianity with him or his followers.

I have always thought that people when presented with facts would be able to think things through themselves and see sense - but it seems a lot of the followers of these prosperity charlatans refuse to do this.

So is that your conclution

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is no suggestion in the bible that the Arch Angel Michael is the same in person with Jesus Christ infact that is an insult because you see Jesus Christ is God and by all things were created
John 1:1-4
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

nuclearboy:
@newmi:
Without Jesus, you are nothing so you cannot be His Voice.

Very well said again without Jesus we are nothing and cannot be His voice meaning that with Jesus Christ we are something and therefore can be His voice. l would rather prefer to lay emphasis on the later or wouldn't you rather? and from all indications the article doesn't seem to negate that. The point is that now that we have believed in Christ Jesus in Him we have been authorized and commissioned by God to be the voice of Jesus here on earth or what do you think

free123:
my annoyance is that joagbaje is ever ready to post every rubbish oyaks spews here thinking that we are in the same wagon of morons who cannot think for themselves

Why not come into a discuss objectively open-minded rather than come in with an erroneously preconceived deviant disposition. OK what could be regarded rubbish in this thread:

Joagbaje:
John 16:23
And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you ().

As Christians, we don’t need an intermediary between us and the Father. Hence we don’t pray to the Father through Jesus, but in the Name of Jesus. To pray through Jesus is to make Him a medium or intermediary to the Father, and that’s wrong. But to pray in the Name of Jesus means your standing in the place of Jesus; you’ve become His voice!

All through the Scriptures, there’s no place where the Christian is asked to pray to Jesus or through Jesus. Neither do you ask the Father to grant your request for “Jesus’ sake,” for God wouldn’t answer your prayers for Jesus’ sake. He loves you as much as He loves Jesus. So when you pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus, it’s as though Jesus Himself were praying, because you stand in His stead.

In Philippians 2:9, the Holy Spirit reveals to us through the Apostle Paul that “God also hath highly exalted him (Jesus), and given him a name which is above every name.” In other words, the Name of Jesus is the biggest Name in heaven. So whatever you ask the Father in the Name of Jesus is granted you because of the authority of JESUS – the One in whose Name you’re asking!

Jesus gave us the legal right to use His Name. Not having the right understanding of how to use that Name will make your prayer life ineffective. We have the right of attorney to function in His stead, the same way a delegated member of a presidents cabinet can represent him at a state function.

So every time you pray to the Father, in the Name of Jesus, be conscious that you’re praying in Jesus’ stead; therefore, whatsoever you ask the Father in His Name, He will give it to you. Jesus has delegated His authority to you; the same authority He had on earth. So today, you can request anything in His Name, and it will be granted you.

Prayer
Heavenly Father, I thank you for teaching me how to pray the right way, using the Name of Jesus! I declare today that I’m making progress in my life and bringing glory to you because the Name of Jesus is named upon me! I function in, and by the power of that Name today! Hallelujah!

Further Study
John 16:23-27
And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

There are scriptural references or don't you have a Bible you know l can't really locate where your challenge lies

nuclearboy:
silly thread.

What is silly about the thread

nuclearboy:
Answering these shows the dolt who wrote the starting post is not only mo-ronic but also deluded, idiotic and particularly wicked in his attempt to disparage Christ.

Calm down its too early to start loosing your cool

nuclearboy:
Christ IS THE BRIDGE BETWEEN GOD AND MAN (God in the Image of man) AND ANYONE BRINGING HIM DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF MAN IS A CRIMINAL

Very well said but the believer has been called into the mediating and re-conciliatory office of the priesthood in Christ Jesus according to
2 Corinthians 5:18-20
"All things [are] of God, WHO HATH RECONCILED US UNTO HIMSELF BY JESUS CHRIST, AND HATH GIVEN UNTO US THE MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; AND HATH COMMITTED TO US THE WORD OF RECONCILIATION. Now then we are AMBASSADORS FOR CHRIST, as though God did biseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in CHRIST'S STEAD, be ye reconciled to God"


It is interesting for the bible to say that we are ambassadors FOR Christ not just OF Christ because the former seem much more appropriate in the context in which frame the believer is revealed as functioning in the stead of Christ Jesus

manmustwac:
REALLY!! Me, an unbeliever who somehow found myself helping a female nigerian international student here in london financially. She will always say things like God is using me or that am God sent (and pray for me) even though i make it clear to her that i don't believe in God. So please tell me who is right is God really answering her prayers through me (an unbeliever) or am i just doing it through my freewill? 

If God could use even a donkey

Number 22:28
"And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have l done unto thee, that thou hath smitten me these three times? And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: l would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would l kill thee. And the ass said unto Balaam, [Am] not l thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since [l was] thine unto this day? was l ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said Nay"
can you imagine a man and an ass having a discuss all because God wanted to get across a message, l am convinced that you or any other person in the world irrespective of the fact that believe in Him or not are of more value and worth to God compared to an ass

Enigma:
 Look at this parade of mumus - mumus united - including Joagbaje in one of his disguises rising to the defence of their spiritual vagabond master and his anti-Christ message.

Why not at least make an effort to be intelligent and make meaningful contributions, is it that you don't agree to the submission that we are believers today are called to function in the stead of Jesus Christ or you do but as long as it's not coming from you or someone you consider a friend you'll take a deviant stand. Please state your stand

John 14:12
"Verily, verily l say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that l do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because l GO UNTO MY FATHER"

Jesus Christ Himself made this remarkable statement and He opens our eyes to the fact that all those who believes in Him would do greater works not because they are greater than Him but because His time on earth was over meaning that as much as He would wish to do more great works while on earth He can't because now off the earth He goes leaving the Church as the figure of His body on earth acting in His stead and doing all the good works he'd love to do.

What could possibly be wrong or too difficult to grasp with this

KunleOshob:
I love this thread Oyaks is gradually revealing to us that he is working for the anti-christ, very soon it would be obvious to even the daftess of his members that he is an agent of the devil. Imagine the fraud constantly reducing Jesus to his own filthy level

l want to help your pathetic course what in that article suggest in the slightest of thought a support for your father the anti-christ, please seave them out and show to the world then you will make sense otherwise l would appreciate you keeping mute

Enigma:
^^^ Whoever wrote the above is an i.diot  and a dumbass.

that makes you a daft dumb dunghill fool not knowing his left from his right