Pastor Kun:

Having confirmed that most cec members are poor and wretched even though they hate to admit

Having confirmed?
This is not a discuss about a group or a church l can't remember making any mention of one or supporting any claims adhered by any church or group. So if you anything else meaninful to contribute please the rest of us would kindly appreciate otherwise quit constituting a distraction because that's what this represents. Thanks.

The issue of giving in the church and other charitable distributions has generated heated debates almost always a discussion has been brokered but the truth is that most of the contributors are people who don't by any standard qualify to earn even the least of attention because they don't they don't have in their custody a good command of the understanding of what the Word of God says about the issue.
Giving as a principle for wealth and prosperity is for the saints so it is needless to consider opinion from non-christians. As christians we live and function by a different sets of rule and one it is you give your way out of lack, want, hardship and poverty because the is bible says
Luke 6:38
"Give, and it will be given to you. They will
pour into your lap a good measure--
pressed down, shaken together, and
running over. For by your standard of
measure it will be measured to you in
return."
These were the very words of the master and saviour JESUS CHRIST who himself is God. The question now remains; can God lie?

2 Corinthians 8:1-5 (NLT)
"Now I want you to know, dear brothers and
sisters, [ a ] what God in his kindness has done
through the churches in Macedonia. 2 They are being
tested by many troubles, and they are very poor. But
they are also filled with abundant joy, which has
overflowed in rich generosity.
3 For I can testify that they gave not only what they
could afford, but far more. And they did it of their
own free will. 4 They begged us again and again for
the privilege of sharing in the gift for the believers in
Jerusalem. [ b] 5 They even did more than we had
hoped, for their first action was to give themselves to
the Lord and to us, just as God wanted them to do."

The New International Version simplifies the clearity
"And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to
know about the grace that God has given the
Macedonian churches. 2 In the midst of a very severe
trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty
welled up in rich generosity. 3 For I testify that they
gave as much as they were able, and even beyond
their ability. Entirely on their own, 4 they urgently
pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this
service to the Lord’s people. 5 And they exceeded our
expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the
Lord, and then by the will of God also to us."

OmoPastor:

there are genuine and fake pastors cos the devil will always fight what is genuine but their fruits will eventually distinguish them.

Matthew 7:16
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (NIV)

OmoPastor:

the genuine pastor is one called by God to lead His people in the work of the kingdom here on earth by feeding them and nuturing them through the ministry of the Word and Spirit.

Jeremiah 3:15
And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. (KJB)

OmoPastor:

the pastors work is defined by God Himself. the wrong impression i want to wipe off is that a pastor called by God cannot be rich in this world. in fact pastors called by God are supposed to be the richest people in this world cos this is the only job whose employer is the monarch and owner of the universe; the boss' wealth is beyond any mans' wildest imagination.

1 Corinthians 10:26
For "the earth is the LORD's, and everything in it."(NLT)

Psalms 24:1
Of David. A psalm. The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it;(NIV)

Psalms 50:10
For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills(KJB)

Haggai 2:8
The silver is mine and the gold is mine,' declares the LORD Almighty.(NIV)

OmoPastor:

a pastor called by God DOES NOT get rich from the offerings and tithes of the church! he can only be rich through his giving into the work of the kingdom. .

Hebrews 10:38
But it is by faith that My righteous servant shall live; and if he shrinks back, My soul takes no pleasure in him."(WNT)

OmoPastor:

the world has changed a lot cos the way the gospel was preached 50yrs ago is not same today. now we have many avenues to preach the gospel which require heavy monies which tithes and offerings cannot cover, so if you are called by God and want to take world evangelisation up, then you must be loaded with cash for the work and this cannot come from offerings and tithes but from reckless seed sowing which will prompt men to give to you willingly.

Zachariah 1:17
Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.(kjb)

Mark 16:15
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation(ESV)
how? Through the internet, Satellite, The print media and other multi-media platforms all of which are immensely expensive. For instance, it requires about 5Million dollars to run and maintain just two satellite based television stations with the quality and standard of CNN per annum let alone maintaining a website that engages in streaming of live videos and programmes these services are not paid for "with the blood of Jesus" and the church todat cannot boycourt these vital avenues if Mark 16:15 must be fulfilled consequently anyone who is thinking and saying otherwise is joking and hasn't realize the truth yet.

Logic Mind:

Satan just told me to start learning hausa language as that's the main language in hell.

PAGAN  9JA:


shut up dumb fool!  

No no there's no need for that, afterall heaven is as well a destination as hell is and non of both is compulsory its an issue of choice.

Logic Mind:

Satan just told me to start learning hausa language as that's the main language in hell.

PAGAN 9JA:


shut up dumb fool!

No no there's no need for that, afterall heaven is as well a destination as hell is and non of both is compulsory its an issue of choice.

Let me thrown this to the house because l find it interesting
The guy spoke extensively about the fact that the rich man was a typology or infact a figure of Judea why the poor man Lazarus was a figure of the gentiles but is/are there any spiritual truth in his claims and expositions?
He also claimed that the five(5) brothers of the rich man concerning whom he was advocating to father Abraham to send someone from the dead to warning them of the reality

Joagbaje:

So what's your stand? I won't post what I don't believe.

my dear Jo for me its not a question of believe rather in this context it is one of curiosity, constuctive criticism and objective analysis of a piece of thought. As for my stand on the issue, am aware that parables are earthly stories with heavenly realities meaning that they are not vague analogies and for the most part am sufficed with the basic and foundamental truths within the context like the reality and existence an after life.

Joagbaje:

@ newmi,

I need sometime to go through in details . This is funny coming from you.

hahahaha
don't worry my friend nothing has changed l was simply impressed by the efforts made by the writer in fishing out such distant interpretations whether or not they are correct.
Its effort for starters am impressed with.

A big thank you to everyone who have shared their thoughts thus far its nice to read your honest responses.
But l need to mention that l was surfing the web as it is my culture to as a believer in the concept of "SOCRATIC IGNORANCE" when l came across this "interesting" article now l find most of the content thought provoking, be that as it may though it is not certain that l have accepted his thoughts thus explaining my intent for presenting it before this forum inorder to sample honest opinions like yours. Thank you

Jesus didn't exist before or after the creation rather it was "The Word", "The Father", and "The Spirit".
John 1:1-5
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.
When "The Word" ". . . became flesh. . ." then the Person of "The Word" was named or called JESUS according to the intruction of the Angel
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Luke 1:31
"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS"

Matthew 1:24
24 Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, 25 and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son.[b] And he called His name JESUS

Luke 16:19-31

'There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

'And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

'And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

'And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

'But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivest thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

'Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

'For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

'Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

'And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

'And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.'

In the context above we see Abraham (in heaven) having a conversation with a certain rich man (in hell) forasmuchas this was a parable does it imply that both poeple in heaven and those in heaven speak the same language?

Please kindly take time out to patiently read this extract from an article l stumbled at today and l thought it was interestingly thought provoking
The Rich man and Lazarus

BY
J. Patching

Luke 16:19-31



NAMED & UNNAMED

The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus has been told and retold many times. Sadly much has been misconstrued and because of this many have been deluded into believing error. Many foundations of Christendom have been established upon teachings which have been erroneous and consequently many saints have become confused, believing myths rather than truth. It behooves us to diligently search for the truth that we may be established therein and not to founder on what seems to be real, but ultimately becomes the unreality upon which we are disappointed, disillusioned leading to despair. May the following exegesis become reality to the reader and a reality of blessing as he reads and is illumined thereby. The Holy Spirit is come that he may lead us into all truth and also show us things to come. May He quicken and enlighten your spirit with joy and peace. Much of what is recorded here I received from my brother in Christ, J. Preston Eby. I thank the Lord for allowing me to hear through this chosen vessel and what follows is mainly what I have learned from his writings and searchings. May the reader also see the truth. Amen.

Luke 16:19-31 'There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

'And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

'And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

'And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

'But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivest thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

'Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

'For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

'Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

'And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

'And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.'

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is recorded only once in the Gospel of Luke. It is an analogy to illustrate certain truths contained within the story. Unless a person has his ears and eyes opened he cannot receive or understand a parable. The religious people of Jesus' day did not receive the messages contained in the parables and even today we need revelation as given by the Holy Spirit. John 16:13 'Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come' If we are unable to receive the truth then we walk in confusion, doubting and even disbelieving.

Mostly we consider things out of context or out of the setting within which they take place. This parable is one of several spoken on a Sabbath day. Indeed, Jesus had healed a man of dropsy, given some straight from the shoulder counsel and spoken some parables in the chief Pharisee's house, where he had been eating. Then on leaving, multitudes of publicans and sinners followed him. Mingling with them were the ever critical and judgmental Scribes, Lawyers and Pharisees. These latter were always looking for fault and accusing Jesus of receiving these outcastes of society. This is the back-drop to the parable that then follows.

There are five in all, yet Luke 15:3 it is recorded: 'He spake this parable unto them'. The Greek substantiates this point that it is one parable and the narration omits further mention of such. The dialogue continues on and the five are in reality a part of the whole parable. (There were no chapter or verse divisions in the original writings) The divisions are: The lost sheep, the lost coin, the lost son; all to show the love and grace of God towards the sinner. The last two parts regarding the unjust steward and the rich man are directed towards his accusers, condemning them for their covetousness and pride.

Many preach this parable as if it is actual fact, the reality of what is about to happen in the affairs of humanity. Briefly, let us consider a few points contained in the parable to see if this be so. The implications are grave indeed as we shall see.

If this parable is describing actual conditions of the future then those in heaven will be able to hold conversations with those in Hell. People will be able to look across the impassable gulf and see their loved ones in indescribable torment. Fathers will see daughters, mothers will see their sons, husbands and wives see relatives all uttering ceaseless pleadings for cool water to assuage their thirst and anguish of soul. Continual torment as such being witnessed by loved ones, seeing and hearing such screaming and hopeless despair would hardly give one in heaven a sense of bless! Such a harrowing situation in no way would grant peace to heaven's occupants! Could you dear reader enjoy such a state of affairs? Surely this could not be the state into which Jesus through His redemption would place us who are redeemed?

Does a man because he is rich, well clothed and fed, represent all sinners in this world? Is it the poor man, covered in sores, representative of all the righteous? The scriptures say nothing about the rich man being a sinner not the poor man as being a saint. If all the rich, the well fed and well clothed in the world are fated to eternal damnation then it would behoove us (particularly those of us in the Western world who lack so little) to get rid of all we have and become like Lazarus else we will burn in Hell. The only reason Jesus gave for Lazarus resting in Abraham's bosom was that he had had a tough life. If this be the necessary qualifications for heaven, then maybe all Christians had better become beggars, diseased, hungry and give up the doctrines of health, healing and prosperity!

If this story be literal then how could we believe that one drop of water on the tip of one finger could alleviate those who are incarcerated in such a fiery torment? Or for that matter, how could a drop of water exist in such a place as this imaginary flaming Hell. Again, if this story be literal then how does one who has died and is buried possess a tongue to speak? Do the disembodied 'souls' in the spirit realm have a tongue? If the rich man's body was dug up from the grave it would be found there in a state of decomposition.

Such are the problems that the literalist have if they regard not this scripture as a parable. Doctrines have been formulated from it - such as eternal torment for poor sinners. This is the misapplication of the parable and the misunderstanding of it's message.

Has the purple and linen of the rich man been explained or the fact that he had five brothers? What about the dogs licking the poor man's sores? This parable is speaking spiritual truth as well as prophecy. This parable is a satire, ridiculing the stance of the Scribes and Pharisees. It is a prophecy to be fulfilled in time.

The Man with no Name

Why was one saved and the other lost? Neither had any quality or action that would allow entry to or eviction from the heavenly place. Romans 9:21 'Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?' Both lived this life in the position in which he had been placed by the wisdom of the Almighty. Exodus 9:16 'And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to show in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth' God is sovereign. The difference between the rich man and Lazarus was not of position and/or possession, but their personal response to their own particular situation. The great warning contained in this parable is for those who in Christ's day enjoyed privileges, position, possession, status. The rich man was of the seed of Abraham and in Hell he cried 'Father Abraham'. His purple and linen spoke clearly that he was a child of the Kingdom and as such he 'fared sumptuously everyday'. This rich man is the nation of Jewry, yes Judah and as represented by their religious leaders.

Abraham also recognised him as such for he in turn called him 'son' and goes on to explain some reality. In your life-time you had good times and Lazarus a tough time, now the situation is reversed. Not only that but there is a great gulf fixed between us and no-one can transfer from one place to the other. Listen carefully to the true interpretation of the Greek. Son (Greek: teknon = offspring) between us and you (Greek: hoomone = of [concerning] you, your [own selves] yourselves) or you people, there is a great gulf fixed: so that they or those (Greek: oi [plural] the ones) which would pass from hence to you (Greek: [is plural] those or you people) cannot; neither can they pass that would come from thence. A plurality of people are being addressed, not just one man, for he is but representative even as Adam was of the whole human race. This rich man was of the seed of Abraham, an Israelite, a highly favoured, blessed peoples. The Pharisees made their boast of being Abraham's seed and because of that, fully expected free entrance to heaven's blessed estate regardless of their hypocrisy.

Purple stands for royalty and Linen for righteousness and in this case 'of the Law'. Those in purple ruled and Judah was the Royal tribe, it also had within it the ministry of the Priesthood. The whole nation had been called to be a Kingdom of Priests. Exodus 19:6 'And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel'

The rich man 'fared sumptuously' every day, but this is not speaking about food and drink for the natural body, but about a people who, as the chosen of God lived in His mercies and blessings. What nation can boast of the favours bestowed upon Judah? The Temple with all the sacrificial ceremonies was situate in Jerusalem. The Law, the Covenants, Prophets and all pertaining thereto they had it all, they were richly blessed. This is the rich man, rich in oil and wine, teaching, the word, covenants, promises, the centre of all religious activity. Rich by the blessings of the God who had chosen them to this exalted place. Romans 9:3-5 'For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen'

This man had five brothers, Luke 16:27-28 'Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment'. This is a definite number and has a definite meaning. As a son of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you just need to read the genealogies to discover a man who would have five brethren. Genesis 35:22-26 'And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun: The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin: And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Napthali: And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are the sons of Jacob, which were born to him in Padan-aram' The scriptures record for us the sons of Jacob through Leah were six, thus Judah had five brethren, all full-blood brothers. Those who would have heard Jesus 2,000 years ago would have understood as they lay great store in their ancestry. This rich man then was Judah the southern kingdom of the Jews.

The condemnation of the rich man, Judah, was he was so pre-occupied with his blessings, they became his curses. He was occupied with the gifts rather than the giver. His full table was his pre-occupation. Romans 9:11 '(For the children not being yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth)' All Judah had in the law and the covenants, their occupation with ceremony and traditions filled them with self-righteousness. Having all the calling of God, Priests, Prophets, Kings etc. they considered themselves in possession of absolute pure religion, chosen of heaven, utter self-approbation; the holy and perfect race. In a nut-shell: they were the extremely exclusive. Revelation 3:17 is a classic example of Pharisaic bragging. 'Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and Unclad' .

Sadly those so rich in promises and prophecy had become spiritual paupers. Jesus saw their whole religious programme as a pretence and performance, cluttered up with the traditions of men. Matthew 23:1-33 'Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And the greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be ye not called Rabbi: for one is your master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you devour widow's houses and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell then yourselves. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the Temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the Temple, he is a debtor! Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the Temple that sanctifieth the gold? And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the Temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God and by him that sitteth thereon. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of Hell?'

They called Jesus a sinner, a liar, a fake, a blasphemer and a law-breaker. This He could receive and not attempt a defence, but hypocritical religionists were anathema and required the façade to be stripped away. The Son of God who would have pure religion and undefiled, exposed their pretence. James 1:27 'Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world'

The Man who had a Name

Lazarus, a poor beggar, neglected, full of sores. Dogs showed more mercy and kindness than the rich man. Lying at the gate of the rich man unwanted and ignored, when so much blessing and deliverance was at hand. The name Lazarus means; without help (or whom God helps) and is the only time Jesus gave a name to a character in a parable.

Jewry considered everyone and every nation outside of themselves as dogs and heathen. Lazarus represents those outside of the blessings of the covenants, not having received the riches and oracles bestowed upon the Israelites, and in particular, Judah. Lazarus is the heathen world, lost, diseased, poverty stricken, an outcaste, spiritually dead.

Luke 16:21 'And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores' The KJV translation would better be put as 'the other dogs came and licked his sores' The Greek word 'alla' means others and not moreover. If we were to follow and understand Greek grammar we would find that the word 'alla' is in the nominative case which names the subject and belongs to it. Dogs is the subject and thus they belong to each other and 'alla' is the modifier of the Greek word 'kunes' or the dogs. Another way of putting it: 'This beggar Lazarus, a dog; had his sores licked by other dogs' It is common for dogs to lick sores of others, on themselves and especially of their own kind.

In this portion of scripture we are referring to the nations outside of Israel, heathen people who help one another the best way they can, not knowing any better way. But also like dogs they fight each other over their supposedly own territory.

Begging was always done at the city gate where most people congregated or passed by. Lazarus was a beggar in his own eyes, but a dog as far as the Jews were concerned. He represents all nations outside the commonwealth of Israel, outside the covenants and outside the benefits and blessings.

In Genesis 10:25 'And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan' Peleg means division. Genesis 10:5 & 32 'By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongues, after their families, in their nations.' 'These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.' This took place at the Tower of Babel, clearly recorded in Genesis 11:8-9 'So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth' The descendants of Noah spread everywhere across the whole earth, establishing themselves after their tongue, in their families and finally as nations. Deuteronomy 32:8 Amplified 'When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites' Acts 17:26-27 'And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us' All has been determined by God, what nation settles where, how large or small it's boundaries and also who it's neighbours will be. All was established in relation to Israel, geographically at the junction of Africa, the two Asias and nearby Europe. The reason: that they (the nations) might seek after the Lord and find the blessings promised through Abraham. Genesis 22:18 'And in thy seed shall ALL the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice'. ALL nations shall be blessed, this is the will and purpose of the Almighty.

This spiritual beggar called Lazarus stands for these nations of the world and is right at Judah's gateway so to speak. The Greek 'Lazarus' has it's counterpart in Hebrew 'Eleazer' which means: 'he whom God helps' or 'whom God aids'. The Greek word for name is 'onoma' and not only means 'a name' but implies 'one possessing a certain character' or characteristic. Thus it could be written: 'Outside the gate of Judah there were the nations of the world, whose characteristic was they were beggars and diseased, all needing the help of God'.

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to read the complete article: http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.
Tell me what are your thoughts

We must realize that the humian is limited to comprehending only things within the shere of its abilities but the spirit knows all things thats why its possible to recognize any of the prophets of old or the apostles when one gets to heaven even at first contact but we never lived in their time, we only read about them in like manner we will be able to communicate in the language of the spirit.
Don't forget heaven is where we are from that is our nationality so it is only normal to speak the language thats obtainable there infact our spirit this very hour in well acquinted with that language.
Philippians 3:20
But we are citizens of heaven, where the Lord Jesus Christ lives. And we are eagerly waiting for him to return as our Savior.

Enigma:


 

But Oyakhilome said "nowhere in the New testament are we told to obey God"! 

So whats my business with that. . . . if you have a problem with it then handle it ur way, This thread is not about what Mr. So and so said it simply state: The Spirit of God is God's answer

phxc:

One requirement for these acts of kindness is that the cameras must always be present; just an observation.

Nice observation but don't you think that but for the cameras many people like you and l wouldn't even know that such good works were being done thus be inspired by it.
Now the cameras are for the ones we can see what about those that are done behind the scene so camera or no camera it is a laudable gesture.

pof600:

Why do you encourage dependency on others?

it is not a case of "encouraging dependency" but rather one of reachout to the less previlleged in society on the grounds of true love.

1 Timothy 6:17-18
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

The point is that people need to learn to hear God for themselves

Isn't amazing that is available to be known and yet many don't know Him. You can start by building on a foundation laid by others afterall somebody had to preach the gospel to us but there must be that transition where you become a custodian of divine varities and one skillful in the doctrine of righteousness.
You see the bible makes us to understand that there are many voices in the world today
1 Corinthians 14:10
There are, it may be, so many kinds of
voices in the world

,John 4:39-42
39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. ,
40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. ,
41 And many more believed because of his own word; ,,
42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard[ him] ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

The time has come that every Christian would endeavour to know God for himself or herself not simply building their convictions and believes on simply what one Mr. so and so said but rather like these person in the scritural reference above grow from that dependent and baby state of only building on what others have said to a state of self persuation in the gospel thus knowing God for themelves.

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You know l hear some people teach that when we pray God's answer could be in 1 of three responses
1. God says a yes
2. or a no
3. or a wait
but none of these responses are scriptural
God's response is God's Spirit so God's response is relative to to the leading of Gid's Spirit to the individual

,17 The Spirit of Truth, Whom the world cannot receive( welcome, take to its heart), because it does not see Him or know and recognize Him. But you know and recognize Him, for He lives with you[ constantly] and will be in you. ,
,,
John 16:13
13 But when He, the Spirit of Truth( the Truth- giving Spirit) comes, He will guide you into all the Truth( the whole, full Truth). For He will not speak His own message[ on His own authority]; but He will tell whatever He hears[ from the Father; He will give the message that has been given to Him], and He will announce and declare to you the things that are to come[ that will happen in the future]. ,,

The Spirit of God is God's answer, God's response and God's solution.
John 14:15
15 If you[ really] love Me, you will keep( obey) My commands.
16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter( Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that He may remain with you forever --

The Holy Spirit is our ticket and access into God's reality

,^^^^^
John 14:15
15 If you[ really] love Me, you will keep( obey) My commands.
16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter( Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that He may remain with you forever -- ,
17 The Spirit of Truth, Whom the world cannot receive( welcome, take to its heart), because it does not see Him or know and recognize Him. But you know and recognize Him, for He lives with you[ constantly] and will be in you. ,
,,
John 16:13
13 But when He, the Spirit of Truth( the Truth- giving Spirit) comes, He will guide you into all the Truth( the whole, full Truth). For He will not speak His own message[ on His own authority]; but He will tell whatever He hears[ from the Father; He will give the message that has been given to Him], and He will announce and declare to you the things that are to come[ that will happen in the future]. ,,

,^^^^^
John 14:15
15 If you[ really] love Me, you will keep( obey) My commands.
16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter( Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that He may remain with you forever -- ,
17 The Spirit of Truth, Whom the world cannot receive( welcome, take to its heart), because it does not see Him or know and recognize Him. But you know and recognize Him, for He lives with you[ constantly] and will be in you. ,
,,
John 16:13
13 But when He, the Spirit of Truth( the Truth- giving Spirit) comes, He will guide you into all the Truth( the whole, full Truth). For He will not speak His own message[ on His own authority]; but He will tell whatever He hears[ from the Father; He will give the message that has been given to Him], and He will announce and declare to you the things that are to come[ that will happen in the future]. ,,

^^^^^
John 14:15
15 If you[ really] love Me, you will keep( obey) My commands.
16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter( Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that He may remain with you forever --

God to the Christian is no longer a "mistery"
He was a mystery when we are allienated and cut off from Him by our sins and disobedience but now in Christ Jesus by virtue of our new birth in believing and affirming His Lordship over our lives.
1Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible
seed, but of incorruptible, by the word
of God, which lives and abides forever.

Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Colossians 2:9-10
9 For in him all the wealth of God's being has a living form,
10 And you are complete in him, who is the head of all rule and authority:

"Re: I Attended An Evangelist Church Today, And There Was No Talk Of Love"
Well what about the days before the day you attended what makes you think that they never spoke about love afterall the church had been having services before you chose to attend on that faithful day

Joagbaje:

Nice picture!

Nice pic?
No thats an understatement
its innovatively colourful

Joagbaje:

Nice picture!

Nice pic?
No thats an understatement
its innovatively colourful

item7even:

@debrief08

It doesnt surprise me when i saw this site and all the ridiculous topics and attacks on men and women of God.
the problems most pple have is that they dont have Faith or believe in God. once u believe God, you will respect anybody because human beings are created in God's image and likeness.

Anybody with low-life mentality will easily criticise and condemn others. and guess what; success is very far away from these kind of people.

having said that, i want to comment about your question: ''where is Mrs Oyaks?'' now who is mrs oyaks? i dont know but other comments refers to Pastor Anita Oyakhilome.

Well to answer that question. She is In london and the Pastor Of Christ Embassy Docklands. that is where i worship every week! she is always there. what is your problems with that? does living in different cities for husband and wife mean they are ''seperated'' in your dirty mind?

there are many times they travel together and no one knows, do u want the media to always report their private and family matters? I Guess that is what you want. sorry she is not that kind of person. And if the family had been the media-friendly type it is pple like you that will still criticise the Man of God for the same reason.

several times in church his daughters sits with other members in the congregation without you noticing it. and the greet everybody with respect almost kneeling down.

i have seen children of some men of God whose seat are always reserved in the front row. but here in Docklands, its not like that.

Please develop the attitude of gratitude to God for what others are doing and if you are not pleased with what they do, pray for them. that is the best advice i have for all.

have a gr8 day and remember to tell someone a nice word today,

God bless you

kudos well said