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claremont:
A den of frauds, run by frauds, for frauds. It's a pity that religious goons cannot see the sheer folly of the actions, but then, what do we expect from people who have smoked the celestial opium!

Image123:
Stop wrongly dividing the Word of truth. The scriptures make one wise unto salvation. It's poison to allege that it is pauline epistles that make one wise unto salvation. The Spirit of God has given a wonderful unity and harmony to the Bible. Repent of your carnal comparisons, divisions and awards.

nlMediator:
It is self-explanatory. Nothing is gained by exalting Paul or his teachings.

nlMediator:
1. It's either you believe that the Bible is the revealed Word of God or you do not. You cannot choose to discredit portions of the Bible on any basis whatsoever - regeneration, receiving the Holy Spirit, etc. Even Paul said ALL scripture is given by inspiration, not just Pauline epistles.

nlMediator:
2. Even before Paul and the New Testament, God has been revealing DEEP things to His people. To quote something from Paul and make it suggest that Paul was the only one that received deep things is to prove your argument with your argument. That's logically fallacious.

nlMediator:
3. We also hear the suggestion that Peter acknowledged that Paul's teachings were hard for him to understand. Yet, Peter said no such thing.

Enigma:
If When a so-called "pastor" teaches his followers:

- you do not have to obey God
- you stand in Christ stead (sic)
- you are god
- you own Kosmos (you own the world)
- the Lord's Prayer is not for "mature" Christians (edit: how could I forget this one!)
- you should not pray to or through Christ (further edit: now forgetting this one shows I'm really slacking!)
- etc and other similar nonsense

it is no wonder that many of the followers have no proper sense of morality, virtue and all the things that the Bible requires Christians to follow in accordance with the teachings of Christ and the apostles. It is no surprise that fraud, theft, stealing and lying are seen as normal things by many of the followers. Anyway when even the "pastor" himself can blatantly lie and do tricks like claiming he makes people fall with his shadow, can one really expect any better from his followers? Can one really expect any better from Chrisians. Christians on the other hand are obviously required to obey God.

wetu:
Nay, Why would I want to sit in his church after seeing him performing and telling stories about angels. I don't want to see angels. Jesus didn't tell me to talk to angels. He told me He will send the Holy Spirit.

wetu:
Nay, Why would I want to sit in his church after seeing him performing and telling stories about angels. I don't want to see angels. Jesus didn't tell me to talk to angels. He told me He will send the Holy Spirit.

Joagbaje:
I know what it means to drive an old car, I know what it means to be stranded in the middle of nowhere sometimes at night in a journey because of broken car. I've been there when my car get dunked in the sand or mud and BAD Samaritans comes to push ,only to harass me for money later. That was years ago.

Joagbaje:
That's one if the things that prompted me to be helping those who get stuck on the way . By towing thier vehicles to safety. I do this regularly as I see such needs.

But recently I got arrested for towing without licence . Is it a crime to help a brother out? Has anyone heard this before?

nasty45:
Dunno if this has happen to u before or now.i feel like i'm used to all d stories n word in d bible.am an encyclopedia mysef.

mantraa:
Why did god have to kill her just because she looked back? It seems like the most human thing to do. Maybe she heard her mothers voice amonst all the screams of the hundreds of people being burned alive by god. Or maybe she just felt a bit of compassion for the suffering of her fellow human beings.

If the punishment for disobeying a silly command is death, Why didn't god god turn adam and eve into pillars of salt too. Then he could have started again with a new improved version and saved all the future mass murders and genocides that he knew he had to commit in the future.

And what about poor Lot. To have his beloved wife so cruelly killed right in front of him by god must have been heartbreaking for him. And probably even worse for his two daughters to see their loving mother so callously killed in cold blood. I must have been so hard for Lot to have to try to raise them on his own as a single father. The whole crazy story is quite sickening and then gets even worse when he ends up getting drunk and sleeping with them both!!

aletheia:
Is this the yeast that passes for Bible teaching in CE? Is that what you glean from the story of Sodom & Gomorrah? That sin in one is righteousness in another? That righteousness is only relative to circumstance? That explains alot about why you lot refuse to return stolen money.
Answer these questions:
Was Abraham living in Sodom? Was Abraham fleeing from Sodom? Did Abraham disobey a command?

KJV: Genesis Chapter 19
[17] And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.
KJV: Genesis Chapter 19
[26] But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

The tale of Sodom and Gomorrah is a type of the coming judgement upon the world. . .

KJV: II Peter Chapter 2
[6] And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

. . .it speaks to us of the refuge in Jesus. . .look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain,
Jesus is the Mountain to which we flee, not looking behind at the world (of which Sodom & Gomorrah are representative). The sad thing is that Christ Embassy is making a lot of people like Lot's wife; supposedly Christians, supposedly meant to be rescued from the fire of Sodom, but unfortunately kept looking back at Sodom and Gomorrah by the materialistic, self-centered "prosperity" false gospel of Chris Oyakhilome.

You have been warned already:
KJV: Luke Chapter 17
[32] Remember Lot's wife.

It would be quite educative for you read the whole of 2 Peter 2; it describes clearly Christ Embassy.

KJV: II Peter Chapter 2
[18] For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
[19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

Joagbaje:
I get you. You religious people will believe that looking at sodom was the Sin. But there is nothing wrong with looking at Sodom. Because Abraham looked into that same direction and prospered. The sin she committed was from the heart. "turning back" baclisliding is first from the heart.

Well done bros .

Barr rich:
Section 427 of the Criminal Code thus makes receiving anything which has been obtained through the commission of crime also a crime. It is immaterial that the property was not obtained through such a crime in Nigeria. This offence is itself geared towards discouraging stealing and protection of property. Under the Penal Code receiving stolen property is covered by section 316.

Aletheia,


The important elements here are that, you must have ‘received’ the property in question and also have ‘knowledge’ of the fact that the property so received was stolen.

According to you:
The claims that he did not know that the goods in question were stolen falls flat, because it is clearly established that this was brought to his attention:
how?
You quoted this:
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In Agada’s letter to Oyakhilome made available to Newswatch, he informed the pastor formally that he removed funds belonging to Sheraton Hotel to the tune of N39 million. He said he used the money for “various projects and seeding and blessing of brethren in the church without due authorisation from my organisation.
 
As a reasonable man that you claim to be, you should know that whatever letter the said Mr. Agada had written to Pastor Chris couldn't have come at the same time as when he was giving the said money to the Church, from which a reasonable man can safely infer that the church had knowledge of the fact that the money was stolen. 
You should know that the said letter was written after he had given the money and maybe subsequently arrested by the police. 
So your argument that Pastor Chris is deemed to have had knowledge that the money was stolen flies over the face of every reasonable person.



In the same vein, knowledge that the property is stolen is required before you can be guilty of the offence. You will however be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen, for example where the property in question is sold at a ridiculously low price. See R. v. Braimah (1943) W.A.C.A. 197.




According to you:


Moreover Chris Oyakhilome can. . .be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen. Certainly common sense not to talk of the Holy Spirit would have told Chris that as a cashier with no visible other source of income, Agada certainly could not be in a position to afford such "sowing". A genuine pastor will ask questions but the greedy and rapacious lupine that is Chris deliberately and willfully ignored this.

I have told you before that according to the Bible our riches are not supplied by the job we do, but by Christ Jesus.
What do you mean by a genuine pastor?
I can tell you that a genuine pastor is the Pastor that believes in miracles for his members not the one that will tell his members during offering time to line up with their offerings and begin to question the source of their income. Thank you.

Oh boy!
Where have l been?
This lawyer guy is good infact l make bold to say your going to law school was of God you know like the tale of biblical Esther for such an occasion as this.

Pastor Kun:
Is this the latest scriptural manipulation from the oyakhilome cult? Sin is sin for everyone don't try and twist scripture and conjure up fallacies to justify sin.

Azibalua:
Read my opening comment not just the topic.

ogajim:
If I tell you all these CEC IDs/PR staff are all coming from the same source IP, pastor JoAgbaje will come up with his explanation of how they share a "laptop/office" or brain

Christians are not SUPPOSED to LIE whether to prove a point or not

inedi:
My prayer for these people is that there eyes of understanding be enlighten to know the truth, Lord I pray, let not your anger come upon these people, forgive them for they know not what they do.

Enigma:
You know my requirement for answering the question now! 

It's very simple --- just tell me where Oyakhilome got his "PhD" from and I'll tell you about the "ministry I'm submitted to". 

Azibalua:
@ enigma
Which ministry are you submitted to
You seem to be running away from this question or are you a free lancer?

opus1:
@ frosbel Pastor Chris is one of the most celebrated Pastors in the world through his life changing messages on salvation, faith, healing, miracles, prosperity etc which results are so evident. i think people like frosbel needs to attend a special session in the healing school for this incurable madness of criticizing Men of God. I believe you are a cartoon because you write, talk, reason and think like one. infact, eventhough you are a cartoon, you should be a village and very local cartoon. hahahahahah