i hope im still runin on the track?

NINETOFIVE:

Donzman is not even an african, he is some white fella, he might need to be ignored.
now thats a nice trial but am cool.

Hahaha, I'm Nigerian like you and I don't really have lots of white friends here in school. I just think on a different plane and don't see black/white. I see humans with different characteristics irregardless of colour, now that's the way we should all think and hope for a better world if that is even possible.

like some say your opinion do not in any way represent the true mentality of all the real soldiers ou there like me!

there is nothing wrong getting high sometimes! felling good in your supply! that makes u look like u are having fun!

now this superman just wondering if the india in carrebean called themsleves affro-indians! yes prosecutor over to u

@Donzman

I accused you of being a white man a while back and 925 is saying the same thing. However, you could just be a brainwashed black man. Either way it goes, your thinking is jacked up.

Muhammad Ali is an African name. Is Arabic African?

Ali took that name because he was a nation of Islam Muslim. It is no different from the continent born Afrcans who have Muslim names because they are Muslim.

If it is indeed Arabic and not African, doesn't that go to show how uninformed most AAs are concerning African culture?,

You must be white, the name Donzman strikes me as a white name.

Everyone knows that Africa has been infiltrated several times. Only a white man would try to ignore that fact.

So called modern Africans, they don't even practice original African religion any more. The Africans who still live in the mountains and forest, they are the only ones who are still practicing the original African religion. Us so called modern Africans could more than likely learn a lot from them.

925 doesn't have to agree with anything, the Egyptian is much more African than the typical African American. The Egyptian will live to defend Egypt and Africa if need be, the African American will live to defend America if need be.

If you are talking about your so called more so white Egyptian friends, everyone knows that white people have the worst culture on this planet, even white people know it. That is the reason why they seek refuge in other people, people of colors culture. When they join people of colors cultures, because they do not originally belong to these cultures by birth and especially by geniality, they have to try harder and appear to look more loyal to the culture.

It is just like a man who is pretending to be a woman, it almost seems like he is a woman because he tries so hard to give that illusion but the bottom line is, he has a penis and can never be a woman. He can imitate a woman and even look better than most woman but the fact is, when you open his legs, he don't have what a woman has.

You say that AA's are Americans? If they are Americans, America sure as hell has never treated them as such. Did you see what happend to all those black people in New Orleans? That is not the first time they did not give a damn about black people in America. They helped the people of Tsunami quicker than they helped black people in America. America even donated lots of money to help tsunami rebuild their homes and places of business.

As a matter a fact, black people from New Orleans are still homeless and a lot of the women had to turn to prostitution in order to feed their children. The black men of Tuskegee, white people and Jews shot those men up with Syphilis while pretending to be injecting them with placebos. It is the same thing white people did to to those Africans in Africa.

White people pretended to be vaccinating those Africans and they gave them Aids. Now they got white people over there posing as the angles who help African people suffering with Aids.

Face it, I don't know what God has got planned for black people particularly black people of African descent, but from the looks of it, we must be the chosen ones. We are the only ones who can carry the burdens of everyone else and still manage to stay within human bounds. That goes for all Africans no matter where they are born.

I don't see Condoleeza Rice putting pressure on Bush to rescue her fellow Africans ( as you claim) dying in Sudan. Instead she is working hard to see that Americans are safe from terrorists. That is just the way I see it.

Condaleeza is no different from the corrupt black Nigerian government, she is a token ni--er. She is a terribly brainwashed woman. She is a modern day house ni--er slave. She has no voice and she has no power. She is a front token ni--er to make it look like black people are treated as equals an have power in America. Condaleeza is there in the white house to help Bush look good not her self or her people. If you notice, how many black people can you count on your hand that represent the white house? Now count how many white people on one had and see how much that number is. You are going to have to use more than two hands.

I have loads of AA and Carribean friends and most AA guys so that's where I get my ideas from. The Carribean blacks are way more African than the typical AA's. Sista, you'll have to admit that you aren't the typical AA and we shouldn't take your views as the view of the average AA.

I don't belive that you have loads of AA friends and Carribean friends, if you do, they msut not know what you really think of them.

I am not asking you or anyone else to take shyt. I am just telling you that I am an African and you or no one else can tell me different. Who are you to tell me that Carribeans are more African than me or other AA's? Who said you could say that when you say you are different from us all. Your a hypocrite.

You know nothing about black Carribeans. They may have a dress fashion that is more African but I guarantee you, they are not different from AA's at all in terms of so called culture culture. As a matter a fact the black Carribean man plants his seeds more than the AA plants his seeds. Have you been to the Caribbean?

By the way, every human being can lay claim to being African (Ding!) .This makes your whole argument of being African just on the basis that your forefathers came from Africa very trivial and unreasonable. Here is another news, life originated from here so every human can say they're Africans. You can see why your argument just doesn't work.

I do not agree that everyone came up out of Africa only Africans and African descent have ties to Africa. As for other people of color, they are black but they are not African or of African decent. However, when God was seating people here on earth, God seated black people first, and everyone else came after. This is why the oldest bones are found in Africa and this is why white people are white. White people are white and the last to be seated on planet earth. The fact that they are white is the proof.

White is opposite black making white people the last of the humans to be seated here and the first to cause a mass confusion to this planet. They are the ones who will take us all out. This is due to their paleness representing death.

As far as my laying claims to Africa. I already told you, you can take the African out of Africa but you can not take Africa out of the African.

If you up root an African violet and plant it in china, it is still an African violet. If that African violet gives birth to other African violets in that China soil, those violets are still African.

Your theory that if two Africans man and woman move to America and have a baby, that means the baby is African American is false. That is like saying if an African woman who gives birth to an African child, made by an African seed in Europe, that makes her child European. That is also false and utterly stupid and now even more, I am convinced that you have to be white to even suggest such a thing.

It is only white people with terrible culture who want to sit up and say who's culture should be what. That is the oldest manipulation in the book. Children on school playgrounds use that method of manipulation to say who should be the first to ride the bike. Of course the first child to ride the bike is always the one who is initiating the manipulation and once he gets on that bike, he does not give anyone else a chance to ride it.

This form of manipulation on behalf of white people gives them an excuse to try and separate their self away from their undesirable culture and if they can fool people with believing you can change who you are based on where you were born, that means they can fool us (Blacks all people of color) into believing that they (white people) are not who they really.

@Donzman

I'll fight for the unity of mankind and not unity based on race and the sooner people start working towards that, the better off we will all be. Africans on the continent aren't exactly living in harmony and have never been known to live that way. Bringing all blacks together doesn't guarantee peace even if it is remotely possible.

If I have to deny my Africaness for unity, I don't want no part of that unity. That kind of Unity only benefits white people to make them feel accepted, when they need to be accepting their self first, before I can accept them, then we can unify.

Can't you see, I have alreay been denied my history and my culture, what good has that done me or other black people like me?

You have to be white and you are definitely a hypocrite.

You sit up here and say that you will fight for unity of mankind and not unity based on race but yet you differentiate black people and separate black (particularly black people of African decent) based on where they are born. Do you here your self?

Then you have the nerve to say that your white friend born in Egypt is more of an African than AA's, that does not sound like unity for all mankind.

You are just a racist oppressed white man pretending to be black who hates his undesirable culture. Or a brainwashed black man. You really have no clue as to why you say and believe what you say. Your facts are flawed and I detect ulterior motive.

Donzman

it looks like u runnin out of hiding space right now! superman hangin on

Sista has so much passion in what she's arguing and I'm less than willing to keep arguing with her because I feel like I'm hurting her feelings. Either ways, Donzman is just a nickname and has nothing to do with my name. Sista, the way you think is wrong, there's something good in every human be it black or white. That's the last thing I'll say here.

Superman, come and save me!

o boy i might ve to put you under examination ! i no say im watchin with my eagle eyes. neither way sista wow ! she is a real black woman! damn plenty traitors out there killing black! if im a president of nigeria i swear people like sista shuold be my monica lewsiky in the black house at abuja. as for u we still de watch

Sista you are indeed a racist.
I am horrified of what you said of condolleza,your fellow black woman who has distinguished herself.
Shame on you and on anyone who has these your same views,no wonder the AA community is still light years away from others in America.
Even hispanics have a higher high school graduation figures than AA.
You have pleasure in pulling down whatever does not fit the AA downtrodden mold.
It is a big big shame,It is indeed pitiful.

Sista:

@Donzman

I accused you of being a white man a while back and 925 is saying the same thing. However, you could just be a brainwashed black man. Either way it goes, your thinking is jacked up.

Ali took that name because he was a nation of Islam Muslim. It is no different from the continent born Afrcans who have Muslim names because they are Muslim.

You must be white, the name Donzman strikes me as a white name.

Everyone knows that Africa has been infiltrated several times. Only a white man would try to ignore that fact.

So called modern Africans, they don't even practice original African religion any more. The Africans who still live in the mountains and forest, they are the only ones who are still practicing the original African religion. Us so called modern Africans could more than likely learn a lot from them.


If you are talking about your so called more so white Egyptian friends, everyone knows that white people have the worst culture on this planet, even white people know it. That is the reason why they seek refuge in other people, people of colors culture. When they join people of colors cultures, because they do not originally belong to these cultures by birth and especially by geniality, they have to try harder and appear to look more loyal to the culture.

It is just like a man who is pretending to be a woman, it almost seems like he is a woman because he tries so hard to give that illusion but the bottom line is, he has a penis and can never be a woman. He can imitate a woman and even look better than most woman but the fact is, when you open his legs, he don't have what a woman has.

You say that AA's are Americans? If they are Americans, America sure as hell has never treated them as such. Did you see what happend to all those black people in New Orleans? That is not the first time they did not give a damn about black people in America. They helped the people of Tsunami quicker than they helped black people in America. America even donated lots of money to help tsunami rebuild their homes and places of business.

As a matter a fact, black people from New Orleans are still homeless and a lot of the women had to turn to prostitution in order to feed their children. The black men of Tuskegee, white people and Jews shot those men up with Syphilis while pretending to be injecting them with placebos. It is the same thing white people did to to those Africans in Africa.

White people pretended to be vaccinating those Africans and they gave them Aids. Now they got white people over there posing as the angles who help African people suffering with Aids.

Face it, I don't know what God has got planned for black people particularly black people of African descent, but from the looks of it, we must be the chosen ones. We are the only ones who can carry the burdens of everyone else and still manage to stay within human bounds. That goes for all Africans no matter where they are born.

Condaleeza is no different from the corrupt black Nigerian government, she is a token ni--er. She is a terribly brainwashed woman. She is a modern day house ni--er slave. She has no voice and she has no power. She is a front token ni--er to make it look like black people are treated as equals an have power in America. Condaleeza is there in the white house to help Bush look good not her self or her people. If you notice, how many black people can you count on your hand that represent the white house? Now count how many white people on one had and see how much that number is. You are going to have to use more than two hands.


I don't believe that you have loads of AA friends and Carribean friends, if you do, they msut not know what you really think of them.

I am not asking you or anyone else to take shyt. I am just telling you that I am an African and you or no one else can tell me different. Who are you to tell me that Carribeans are more African than me or other AA's? Who said you could say that when you say you are different from us all. Your a hypocrite.

You know nothing about black Carribeans. They may have a dress fashion that is more African but I guarantee you, they are not different from AA's at all in terms of so called culture culture. As a matter a fact the black Carribean man plants his seeds more than the AA plants his seeds. Have you been to the Caribbean?

I do not agree that everyone came up out of Africa only Africans and African descent have ties to Africa. As for other people of color, they are black but they are not African or of African decent. However, when God was seating people here on earth, God seated black people first, and everyone else came after. This is why the oldest bones are found in Africa and this is why white people are white. White people are white and the last to be seated on planet earth. The fact that they are white is the proof.

White is opposite black making white people the last of the humans to be seated here and the first to cause a mass confusion to this planet. They are the ones who will take us all out. This is due to their paleness representing death.

As far as my laying claims to Africa. I already told you, you can take the African out of Africa but you can not take Africa out of the African.

If you up root an African violet and plant it in china, it is still an African violet. If that African violet gives birth to other African violets in that China soil, those violets are still African.

Your theory that if two Africans man and woman move to America and have a baby, that means the baby is African American is false. That is like saying if an African woman who gives birth to an African child, made by an African seed in Europe, that makes her child European. That is also false and utterly stupid and now even more, I am convinced that you have to be white to even suggest such a thing.

It is only white people with terrible culture who want to sit up and say who's culture should be what. That is the oldest manipulation in the book. Children on school playgrounds use that method of manipulation to say who should be the first to ride the bike. Of course the first child to ride the bike is always the one who is initiating the manipulation and once he gets on that bike, he does not give anyone else a chance to ride it.

This form of manipulation on behalf of white people gives them an excuse to try and separate their self away from their undesirable culture and if they can fool people with believing you can change who you are based on where you were born, that means they can fool us (Blacks all people of color) into believing that they (white people) are not who they really.

Sista are you being a hypocrite?

At first you were defending yourself & the right to define yourself w/ the term "African".

Now, you're trying to strip Donzman of his "African" status.

That doesn't sit well w/ me -- it's hypocritical. Who are you say what ideas are African or not?

Who gives you such authority?

What makes you the arbiter of Africa, Africaness or Afrocentricity?

Everyone on this board has expressed views or lifestyles that are "unAfrican" and since all that information is still on this board and/or in people's memories let me just say "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

And that goes for the rest of you attacking Donzman's ethnicity/nationality/"Africanness". This is kind warning.

babyosisi ha i dnt think just because sista was critical about RIce rite that doesnt in anyway makes her racist! ist babyosisi.

me personally dnt like kofi anna, conel power when he d reailse he s being used to propergate america win and rule he step aside a lie.so emmmm yea ,

@Donzman

Sista has so much passion in what she's arguing and I'm less than willing to keep arguing with her because I feel like I'm hurting her feelings.

Donzman, you are not hurting my feelings at all.

If you could only see my face as I type what I  say across the screen. I got a sandwich in one hand eating it and occasionally I take a break from working to type a little hear and a little there, while I am eating my sandwich.

You are like a fly in the wind to me. You don't bother me at all until you fly to close to my face and then I just try to swoosh you away and hope you go in another direction. I do not try to smash you because it is not that serious, and plus, I don't want your guts all in my precious hand. If you were flying around in my home however, that would be another story.

My responses to you may seem as though you are hurting my feelings but that is only because in your mind you are stroking your ego at the expense of my intelligence.

Nothing you said is a fact, it is all your opinion.

Why would my feelings be hurt? I am not some white person looking for a culture to fit into.

I am black baby. I am a member of the most influential group of people on this planet. Even when the white man is Calling  me an AA, I am still a part of one the most influential black groups on this planet so I got it goooooooood.

Nothing you can say will bother me. Remember, AA's fought for civil rights and civil rights was for everyone no matter the color.  I respond to you because when I respond to you, I am also responding to other people you attempt to brainwash with your bull shyt. I can't let them believe your stupidity.

Y do i have the feeling that this is no more the jovial sparring characteristic of Nairaland
Hey pls Donzman and Sista,sheath the swords and let us have some peace in da house!

Uche2nna i think u are the enemy of progress now. the more they talk the more things are unravel the more we learn ,damn its good to talk sometimes! so shall i say back off if u dnt ve anything to say

@Babyosisi

Sista you are indeed a racist.
I am horrified of what you said of condolleza,your fellow black woman who has distinguished herself.

Yeah distinguised her self away from the rest of black people.

Any way,

Please, how can I be a racist? I don't have any power. And I am not a white person trying to use my power to manipulatively convince people that my way is the best way. Nor am I a black person who is going against his own people to protect whitey. Your going to have to talk to Donzman about that.

I didn't say that Condaleeza was not my sister but that has nothing to do with her being a brainwashed token Ni--er. The truth is the truth, Condy don't represent black people in America, she represents the propaganda that has been going on with black people in America for the longest. She has no voice, she is a front, Bush uses her like white man on the plantation used black woman for his sexual pleasure.

What did Condy do for all those poor black people when Hurricane Katrina hit new Orleans? You say you are so concerned about the black people who are taking drugs and black woman selling their body's having all these baby's. What do you think is going to happen to all those Katrina people because they have no home? Condy has the power right? So what is the problem? As I said, America don't give a damn about black people, never has. America has been pimping black people for the longest and Condy is just a token ni--a they used to get Bush some black votes.  I feel sorry for Condy because even if she wanted to pull out because she has finally came to her senses, she probably would not be able to without getting killed so her life is not hers.

Stop trying to find a flaw in what I say Babyosisi. I speak the truth, I don't care if you are my sister or my brother. Pretending like everything is all good with certain black people is not going to help us, we are all phucked up, even Condy.  

Shame on you and on anyone who has these your same views,no wonder the AA community is still light years away from others in America.

What are your plans Babyosisi after using America to get your education, what are you going to give back to America let alone black Americans? Where are you at now? Back in Nigeria. Your not going to relocate to America and make this your home. If you do let me know then maybe I will take something you say seriously until then, you are just flapping your lips as far as I am concerned.

Even hispanics have a higher high school graduation figures than AA.

I attend school everyday and I don't see that, what schools are you talking about? I see more Asians than anything. And, then I see people like you, Continent born Africans who are using America for the benefits. Then I see black Americans third but I certainly do not see hispanics. But, let's say you are right, what has Condy done to bring those statistics down? She defends Bush on the war in Irac but she down played what happended to all those black people in Hurricane Katrina.

You have pleasure in pulling down whatever does not fit the AA downtrodden mold.
It is a big big shame,It is indeed pitiful.

Whatever Babyosis, I am not going to contribute to your American dream cause there ain't none. You haven't been here long enough for that to kick in because you are to busy still getting your piece of American pie but wait until the day that you finally taste that pie, you'll see.

Sista,

You're indeed racist and extremely prejudiced against whites and you can't deny that. What gives you the right to call an informed black woman a token negro?, You expect her to sit there and believe that all whites are bad?, I'll agree with you if called Kofi Annan a token negro because the guy is a dumbass and a tool, Condi Rice? hell no!

I tell u.

afro-centrals day hate demself.

dey envy evry black whos evr maid it.

Aint no one good nuff for demself.

specally dem woman.

dey envy evry black whos evr maid it. yea yea shambolic! nonesense! bullucks!



racist? haha sure u true black so i guess u shuold be clever that that man!

superman:


dey envy evry black whos evr maid it. yea yea shambolic! nonesense! bullucks!



racist? haha sure u true black so i guess u shuold be clever that that man!

Donzman:

Sista,

You're indeed racist and extremely prejudiced against whites and you can't deny that. What gives you the right to call an informed black woman a token negro?, You expect her to sit there and believe that all whites are bad?, I'll agree with you if called Kofi Annan a token negro because the guy is a dumbass and a tool, Condi Rice? hell no!

Donzman,I don't know what race you are but I agree with you 100%.
@ sista,currently I live here in the USA.
I did my first degree in Naija,my postgrad training here in the US and work currently at a facility with very few  of my kind,not that I'm exceptional but that's just the way it is.
Has been living here for more than a decade so I didn't just arrive yesterday.
Nothing was handed to me or any of us on a platter of gold.

I have worked as a nurse aide,washed dishes in restaurants,cleaned offices.
I've done it all,jobs I never did in my own country.
So I did not come from extremely wealthy background but not a poor one either.

The white people you talk so ill of have been good to me most importantly God has been extremely good to me.
With an attitude like yours,you will find it very difficult to move far in life.
The scriptures say that "out of the abundance of the heart,the mouth speaks"
What is in your heart will always show up in your attitude and general outlook to anything and it will repel anyone you meet.
AA and blacks in general control very little power and wealth here.Your boss is most likely to be white.
I'm not saying you worship them,I don't.But you have to be in a situation to work with others without this finger pointing attitude.


There are many blacks,when fired from work will start looking for an attorney  crying racism not forgetting how poor their job performance were,coming in late and always calling in sick.
Not all white people that treat a black person badly are racists,some are just nasty and would treat their own kind in a nasty manner too.

Stop looking at the world with a victim mentality,the world has no mercies for a desperate man.Not everything is black and white.
If all the AA or majority have these views of yours,any wonder not much has changed and immigrants tend to do better.

I can understand why you dislike Condolezza,she is republican so that makes her the token negro you call her.
AA should think independently.
Nothing says Blacks must be democrats.Whites are not in a box,no body speaks for the white race,are AA not smart enough to recognise that Al sharpton and all Jesse Jackson all have their personal agenda.They are not a voice for black people,we have our own voices.
Going and fighting for welfare and handouts to blacks will not help anyone.



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superman:

babyosisi ha i dnt think just because sista was critical about RIce rite that doesnt in anyway makes her racist! ist babyosisi.

me personally dnt like kofi anna, conel power when he d reailse he s being used to propergate america win and rule he step aside a lie.so emmmm yea ,

@superman,have you read any of her postings?
I did not come to this conclusion by the Condy statement.
she dislikes whites,she would send away any Africans here who are working hard to make it if she had the chance,read her posts about what she says about immigrants and the ugly tone in her writings.
I took time to hear her out before making that statement.

If sista saw my kind in college with her rather than her kind,it is because we are driven to succeed, back home we have no welfare system and our parents and peers back home neither pay mortgage nor car notes.We work hard and own what we have.
I will not fail always to give the glory to God but faith without works is dead.
The scriptures say"let him who would not work,let him not eat"
It's as simple as that.
I judge no one.I am full of empathy when needed but I'm also a straight shooter.

By the way most of the ill treatment I've gotten in this country has been by AA women not men,not whites but AA women who had the same attitude of "who does this African think she is"and believe me most Nigerians I've met say the same thing.

b]@DONZMAN[/b]

Sista,

You're indeed racist and extremely prejudiced against whites and you can't deny that. What gives you the right to call an informed black woman a token Negro?, You expect her to sit there and believe that all whites are bad?, I'll agree with you if called Kofi Annan a token negro because the guy is a dumbass and a tool, Condi Rice? hell no!

I am gonna say like you Nigerians say, I was born and bred in America so I know a black American token Negro when I see one.


No one is saying that Condy is not well accomplished as far as her knowledge and education in politics but what is accomplishment if all you do is let some one pull your puppet strings?

As far as my being a racist, if being a racist means that I choose to get it together with my people (black people first) before I attempt doing that with white people, then so be it, I am a racist.

If calling me a racist because I want to Love my people and know what it is to be united with them first before being united with white people, then so be it I am a racist.

If telling the truth about Condy as well as any other black person who has their puppets strings pulled by white people means I am a racist, than so be it.

Like I said, I tell the truth and the truth always hurts. Donzman, I don't really think you care about Condy, your just using what I said about her to prove your theory about me, whatever that exactly that is.

That is the problem black people have now, particularly black people born in Africa. They are always so very very thankful to the same people who have taken from them, (white people). African Americans, we seen the capacity of what white people are capable of and most of us don't appreciate it. All Black people need to concentrate on their self and their people before looking out for whitey.

Even Ghandi knew that. Ghandi had many followers black and white but when he got ready to go and really fight, he told his white followers he could have nothing to do with them at this time in his life. When his white followers asked him why, he told them that he was about to get involved with something that required the trust of his people and having the trust of his people could not be achieved if he had White people following him. At that time, as usual, it was white people giving Indians problems.

Ghandi, he was not a racist, he was just a man with common sense. Take care of your own first and take care of everyone else after. If you are not fit for your self and your people, you can not be fit for anyone else. Black people have a long ways to go with unification amongst each other, me, I am not about to stop trying to attain that goal in order to accept white people and make them feel good. White people have it good compared to my people so I am sure they can wait for me to get it together with my people fist and try to get it together with them at a later date.

babyosisi:


What is in your heart will always show up in your attitude and general outlook to anything and it will repel anyone you meet.


Stop looking at the world with a victim mentality

If all the AA or majority have these views of yours,any wonder not much has changed and immigrants tend to do better.

excellent observation babyosisi, while i agree that the white-man did a lot of harm to the black race (and to the rest of the world for that matter), we are the ones who continue to have this victim mentality -blame it on the white man,

even if someone who's grandparents came to the US from Sweden, and never ever took part in slavery or colonization tried to help you, you assume its because 'they benefitted from colonization' and 'want to feel better about themselves'!!!

lets get off our butts and start sorting things out, stop blaming people - china was colonized, so was korea, even britain of today was colonized, do you hear them blaming the romans/italians for their problems?

granted we have suffered a lot, but we've not helped ourselves either.

by the way, you are racist if you feel your own race is better than another, whether you're white or black.

back to the original subject matter (at least in part)

AA's and AC's (who came up with these anyway??!) are in essence the same, but there are great differences as well

culturally (yes that word again) there has been reasonable consistency in AC's upbringing or history - you still learn your native language, mode of dressing, value system, family values/communal living etc.

the AA's definitely do not have this same thing, they may have part of it, but the years of removal/separation has destroyed much of this fabric.

they have gotten a good deal of the individualistic nature f the white man's society - the 'how does it affect me?' syndrome - this is why u'll get divorced at the drop of a hat because 'I'm not happy',
a caveat here, i dont support plygamy,infidelity or double standards for males & females, but there is a lot more to couples sticking together in Africa than just tradition - these westernized people almost seem to be of the opinion that only they know about 'love'

love - for our spouse and children could make u saty on evenif things were not perfect (when are they ever?)

i've been rambling a bit here, hope some of these thoughts make sense

@Babiosisi

@superman,have you read any of her postings?
I did not come to this conclusion by the Condy statement.
she dislikes whites,she would send away any Africans here who are working hard to make it if she had the chance,read her posts about what she says about immigrants and the ugly tone in her writings.
I took time to hear her out before making that statement.

I can't respond to what you just said about me. I am late to class, yes I am one of those late black people.

Any way, I said nothing ugly toned about immigrants, you are not telling the truth. But, I will handle that later on tonight. Babosisi, I see how you get down, you got some dirty tricks.

Do me a favor, why don't you quote what I said about immigrants and make sure you quote the entirety of what I said. Also, make sure you quote what response of yours I was responding to when I said what I said.

Don't be lazy okay. You are good for saying  I said something and not quoting what I said. I even challenged you to go back and quote me when you tried to say that you could quote me on a few things and you did not take me up on my challenge. I am asking you this time, to take me up on  it. When ever you accuse me of something like saying bad things about immigrants, you better prove it.

Sista:

@Babyosisi



What are your plans Babyosisi after using America to get your education, what are you going to give back to America let alone black Americans? Where are you at now? Back in Nigeria. Your not going to relocate to America and make this your home. If you do let me know then maybe I will take something you say seriously until then, you are just flapping your lips as far as I am concerned.

I attend school everyday and I don't see that, what schools are you talking about? I see more Asians than anything. And, then I see people like you, Continent born Africans who are using America for the benefits. Then I see black Americans third but I certainly do not see hispanics. But, let's say you are right, what has Condy done to bring those statistics down? She defends Bush on the war in Irac but she down played what happended to all those black people in Hurricane Katrina.

Whatever Babyosis, I am not going to contribute to your American dream cause there ain't none. You haven't been here long enough for that to kick in because you are to busy still getting your piece of American pie but wait until the day that you finally taste that pie, you'll see.

This is one of your recent writings,how can you be so forgetful.
There are several others,I do not have the time for the research work.

And my response is what help did the AA give me on arrival?
I don't go blowing my trumpet,I know that I do contribute in my small way not by compulsion or as a sense of duty but because I'm human and it is my desire that the AA will rise above where they are currently because it is very possible.
Immigrants have proven it and are still.

Y'all are really hijacking this thread. Why not open up another? Call it How the varying lived experiences of Africans and African Americans can affect Viewpoints & Lifestyles, Myopic & Philosophic . . .but while I'm here. . .

Donzman, how can you call Kofi Annan a "tool" and a "dumbass" but not Condi? They are the same! And if not the same, she's 'worse'. Her politics are heinous. I mean come on!

Condi Rice is doing the best she can to defend her mother land. Kofi Annan on the other hand, is doing the best he can to defend western interests. UN troops are on peacekeeping mission in Lebanon, we don't see any of them in Sudan where 400,000 people have died so far. So what if the Sudanese Govt. refuses to let you in? Like they can defeat UN forces if they decide to come in. Annan is a joke, they could have as well put a white man there so it will be clear Africa has no say in what goes on in the UN.

Condi is defending the motherland against whom? And for whose interest? Who profits from her defense? Is she serving the interest of the majority of American people or the interests of the minority?

Are you familiar w/ Leo Strauss? His book TYRANTS is where the administration draws its unoriginal, draconian ideals from. (Read it if you don't believe me.) Condi is defending the "motherland" based on the ideas of a "foreigner". So if defense of the motherland is an excuse to disenfranchise the American people and further create subsidiary markets of colored people (Iraq) it doesn't hold water in this situation.

(I just threw a lot at you. I don't expect you to "convert" right this sec. but remember it for later. I think you're smart enough for that.)

You didn't throw anything that I haven't seen on CNN already. The war in Iraq is Bush's and not Strauss'.

@Babyosisi

This is one of your recent writings,how can you be so forgetful.
There are several others,I do not have the time for the research work.

How was that ugly toned against immigrants? You are once again not making any sense.

What do you mean there are several other quotes you do not have time to research? How convenient. You have time to say all the horrible things about AA people but you don't have time for any thing else.

If the white people asked you to retrieve the quotes, you would have time then because in the future you may receive something tangible that will benefit you as a individual. The difference between you and I is, I care  about the whole of black people, you care about individual black people.

How is it that God chose you to be blessed as you said but other people in Nigeria who want to do what you do and deserve to probably more than you, were not blessed? You see how individual you are?


I think you are lazy but not lazy when white people ask you for something. In fact when they ask you to jump, your response is, how high? You accuse me of being ugly toned towards immigrants and you supply a basless quote to support that. This is the second time you accuse me of something and you even made a shallow threat that you could go and retreive quotes to support your claims against me and when I challenged you to do that, you didn't. I think that is either due to your laziness or due to the fact that you know that your claims against me are false. Your aim when doing that is to convince other nairaland members that you have something against me without necessarily showing the proof.  

As I said, you are just flapping your lips like a token Negro in training.

This is one of your recent writings,how can you be so forgetful.
There are several others,I do not have the time for the research work.

They did enough by paving the way for you, let us not have this argument again about civil rights.

If sista saw my kind in college with her rather than her kind,it is because we are driven to succeed, back home we have no welfare system and our parents and peers back home neither pay mortgage nor car notes.We work hard and own what we have.

If you are so proud of home, you would be back home but you are here, why is that? Tell us the source of why you can not accomplish what you really want to accomplish back home in Nigeria, we would like to know. Why don't you stop talking about how AA's and how terrible they do with all the benefits they have and talk about how Nigeria is not able to sustain and they have their own home land. Tell us about that one, enlighten us. Flap your lips about that issue. Black Nigeria is phucked and black America is phucked.

I will not fail always to give the glory to God but faith without works is dead.

Babyiosisi, you can stop your babbling to me about scripture. My people prayed and slaved for many years so don't tell me about faith with out works. My people;e worked a long time while they prayed, nothing has changed all is now modernized.

The white people you talk so ill of have been good to me most importantly God has been extremely good to me.
With an attitude like yours,you will find it very difficult to move far in life.

White people have been good to you? Oh my god!

As far as my not being able to move far, you are wrong about that. Yes you are right my attitude is not fit to work for white people and that is why I do not work for them, nor do I work for black people.

I work for my self, I already told you I have my own business, infact I have two businesses. I know I have to be the boss of my self and this is why I am an entrepreneur. I am doing very well, infact I send money back to (Africa) Mali and Ghana to certain family's. It is not much but to them it is something. This is my way to let them know that they are loved by their brothers and sister here in America.

So, don't tell me in so many words I have to kiss whitey's azz, because I don't, and I won't, and I don't have to.

What is in your heart will always show up in your attitude and general outlook to anything and it will repel anyone you meet.
AA and blacks in general control very little power and wealth here.Your boss is most likely to be white.

Here you clearly show that you believe that I should behave in a certain way, in other words opress my self and who I am in order to please whitey sense whitey is dominant. Sorry, I don't share that same theory. Unlike like you, I do not plan to work for someone for the rest of my life, especially white people. My ancestors gave them enough free labor that lasted 3 generations.

By the way most of the ill treatment I've gotten in this country has been by AA women not men,not whites but AA women who had the same attitude of "who does this African think she is"and believe me most Nigerians I've met say the same thing.

I haven't even worked with you, nor have I seen you and I can detect what kind of
African you are just from a few back and fourth debates. If those women detect what I detect and they have been up close and personal with you, I can see why they treat you that way. A little advice, if you want to reach the people, you can not have the attitude that I am better than you, if you try to hide this attitude, it will be sniffed out. People have to be able to trust you and no one trust's a snob.

I'm not saying you worship them,I don't.But you have to be in a situation to work with others without this finger pointing attitude.

I am born and bred in America, I don't need you tell me about working with white people. Unlike you, I am not a phony. Before attaining my own business, I worked for white people and with white people. I knew that in order to hold my job I could not let them know that I see how they want  me to bow down to them. This is why I now work for my self Babyosi. I am not the type to continue biting my tongue to no body in order to survive, I will die first before I settle for that kind of life.

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