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bykebyke:
I admire your tenacity.

Anyday you come here for your mission on Cristina,you get Ls, yet you keep coming back for more....LOL.

In a few days from now, Ororo is gonna get another award. It's award season and the master is collecting big time...

bykebyke:
When Nihilist comes to diss Messi here vs When he leaves.

Lmao how na?

Nobody can distract me from my mission on this thread.

Keep calm and love Ororo

raumdeuter:
Bros why you dey lie like this? Sevilla is playing currently, Barcelona will play later today. Bilbao and Celta Vigo play tomorrow

So abeg which break are you talking about NihiLIEst?

Madrid are on winter break right now.

raumdeuter:
Of those you listed which of them has a creative brain? I will give you scholes and partly Lampard. Terry ad Ferdinand are classic examples of brainless footballers EPL produce.

The Spanish players who make the finals stages of CL and Europa are not complaining of shattered, Barca travelled to Japan for CWC, Madrid did, they will play till CL semi in May but its Arsenal thats out by February of Europe by February and Liverpool + Man utd who didnt even qualify for Europe that are shattered

Spanish teams are on winter break right now.

raumdeuter:
Oh we get it England is the only place where players get injured. Half of the Dortmund team is injured, Same was Bayern in many yrs

Reus has been injured, Gundogan was a regular at the doctors

Bailly got injured in a Europa game, Shaw got injured last yr in a CL game vs PSV, yes its the intensity of the EPL that made PSV moreno to injure Shaw

We're having a serious conversation here Dayo. If you want to troll, I'm sure someone will be along soon to raise Boateng issue with you.

afrodoc2:
IT IS MORE INTENSE WE KNOW THIS. At least all of us apart from Dayo lol.
But this intensity is being used as an excuse to gloss over the fact that Andros Townsend today is still as moronic in his runs as he was at age 18. Forget the injuries for a minute many of these guys are the walking definition of unintelligent. The mindset of the coaches even at youth level helps to foster this over athletic/ non tactical/non intelligent kind of footballer.
Even when they are fit they are poor tactically and in terms of decision making.

Andros townsend is not a top player na. He didn't even make the squad to Euro 2016.

The current top young English players are Kane, Alli, Sterling, Wilshere, Oxlade, Stones, Clyne, Rashford etc, and they are all 1st team squad members for teams in the top 4.

Stones is the only one who is just a pure 'imbecide' on the list. The rest are really really good players.

DarkRebel101:
Someone said la liga is a Barcelona-dominated league, and he never made it clear that he meant since the time CR7 joined Madrid. He made a bunch of ambiguous, incoherent statements and now he's crying wolf after his bluff was called out.

In a Barca dominated league, Ororo has still done enough to be voted world best not once, not twice, but 3 times. In the same period, Messi playing outside Barca has failed not once, not twice, but 3 times. In the same period, Messi's Barca teammates have succeeded without him not once, not twice but 3 times.”

I cannot even begin to think that anybody would read this and go to 1997. And I shouldn't even need to point out that my first post literally stated 'Since Ronaldo joined the league in 2009' or that I was responding to a post that was highlighting the number of trophies won in 2009. If you read this and post here and did not understand it, then you should be ashamed to even mention that.

Coogar must be so disappointed.

raumdeuter:

Maybe if Ronaldo was that good

A player with 4 Balon D'ors IS that good.

afrodoc2:
It didn't take me hours of tape to realize Bebe was not a professional footballer, Wheelchair still making teenage mistakes almost every time he gets sick leave from hospital duty to grace the pitch.

But this is a digression. These English players are generally not tactically sound or maybe well coached enough. When was the last time England produced midfielders known for their wise and economical use of the ball like Weigl, Thiago, Veratti? Instead the produce guys depending on speed and hustle in CM like Barkley, Dele Alli et al

Thiago, Veratti, Weigl who are these people?

England has produced the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes so it's not really a coaching thing. Neither is it a talent issue.

Of course physicality is a part of it. You need to be fit to play, and you need to play to improve. The issue is the way these guys are overplayed. I remember reading that Ferguson promised Jorge Mendes to only play Ronaldo in 50% of his games to avoid burn out.

The intensity is insane. Look at your club for example. Mikhtrayan wasnt even fit enough to play till recently and he's injured again. Phil Jones is a permacrock. Bailly came back from injury and injured his other knee in a sprint.

Then you have managers like Mourinho and Klopp telling players that a little pain is fine. Shaw injured his groin and Smalling broke his toe in two places yet Jose lambasted them in the press for not giving their all. These pressures and the exertions from the game can wreck your body if you're not naturally built of granite.

In other countries, the younger players player fewer games, at lower intensity, and benefit from mid season breaks, so they stay fitter for longer and can develop the other sides of their game.

raumdeuter:
You are the one using teammate as an excuse, I doubt anyone here has said Ronaldo performs well because of superb teammates

Ronaldo has as many goals as the star of the most dominant football team of the decade. There's nothing more to say there.

“In a Barca dominated league, Ororo has still done enough to be voted world best not once, not twice, but 3 times. In the same period, Messi playing outside Barca has failed not once, not twice, but 3 times. In the same period, Messi's Barca teammates have succeeded without him not once, not twice but 3 times.”

Even if you're too dull too understand from that Barcelona has dominated the league during Ororo's tenure, the same post you quoted establishes the time period TWICE.

It literally says 'In the same Time Period' two times.

If you weren't too busy consulting your dictionary and writing epistles at your desk under coogars picture, you would have seen it in clear black and white.

afrodoc2:
Matter of opinion, i agree he is more intelligent than the rest of the bone thugs. However his tackling is bone headed, his smoking is bone headed.

Luis Suarez is bone headed then for running around biting people. Berbatov is bone headed for smoking.

Those are issues not related to football. Football intelligence and common sense are different to each other.

I had high hopes for him but the standards change when you enter your 20s. The mistakes that were glossed over when you were a teenager become highlighted if still present when you are 23

Its only halfway through the season and Wilshere has already played more this season than he did in the previous two seasons due to injury. Infact his last game for Arsenal was in November 2014.

Can you make mistakes in the sickbay?

DarkRebel101:
Barca has won the La Liga 8 times since 1997.

Madrid has won the La Liga 7 times since 1997.

And yet you say La Liga is a Barça-dominated league despite the nip and tuck between Barça and Real.

Simple English is not your problem. Your problem is you yap a lot of applesauce.

Coogar, God rest his soul, was an intelligent guy. As a tribute act, you are doing his memory a great disservice.

What does 1997 have to do with anything? Did Ororo play in 1997?

Why stop at 1997 sef? Why not go to 1907?

raumdeuter:
Who are these better teammates?

The unproductive Iniesta
The slow Busquets,
The defensive liability Pique
The useless Valdes,
Headless chicken Pedro
Neymar thats worse than hazard
Or Xavi who last played actively 3 seasons ago

All who we have been told at some point cannot survive in the great EPL

Ronaldo has been playing with Kaka, ADM, Higuain and co...all of whom we've been told are overrated

DarkRebel101:
What other context or decoding does the phrase, “in a Barça-dominated league” needs again?

How many times has Barca NOT won the league in the last 10 years?

Was the EPL dominated by Liverpool in 2008?

I mean this is simple English na?

afrodoc2:
England does not produce enough quality midfielders, they overhype their talents and they also dont do enough to coach their young players.
Most of their talents regress after a few years on the world stage. It is not just heavy schedule, they just produce an inordinately high number of bone headed players especially midfield e.g Barkley, Rodwell, Wilshere e.t.c

Wilshere is a player that cannot be described as bone headed. His entire game is based on high football IQ.

DarkRebel101:
To correct another false-headed assertion of yours, La Liga is not a Barça-dominated league.

It would be a terrible shame if despite your verbosity, simple context is lost on you

A40:
All the players I listed combined European duties with their league games so I am not just talking of local matches/champions here. When I say heavier loads I know what I am talking about. The expectation from the players I listed above is far different from the sankwa players like Rodwell, Wilshere, Chamberlain, Welbeck e.t.c

Rodwell is the only one of those players that wasn't playing in Europe, but that's only because he never played. All these guys played league, 2 cups and European games with no winter break unlike their counterparts in Germany who have fewer league games, and only 1 domestic cup, with a full month of break in between. Starting tommorow Bundelisga teams wont play again till end of January. Meanwhile EPL teams have 6 fixtures in that time frame...plus 1 FA Cup fixture. A club like Liverpool still has to play Carling Cup fixtures on top of that.

Then theres European fixtures. So please don't talk to me about Heavier Loads unless you have a situation in Germany where one team is playing 2 league games less than 72 hours apart.

Rodwell is an average joe. Even when fit there is no evidence to suggest he possesses any sort of quality when compared to his continental contemporaries.

Rodwell has never completed a season of football in his entire career due to injury yet has managed to show enough promise to command over 30 million pounds in transfer fees. Shebi he has to play to show the quality? Dude has managed only 16 league starts in 2 years due to injury. It makes no sense to call a player who's never fit to play an average joe.

Draxler and Barkley are the same age. That says it all really

Barkley is a dullard no doubt, but Draxler would probably have died if he had to play in England from an early age. Draxler has only managed a maximum of 2150 league minutes in a season. Barkley played a whopping 1000 more league minutes last season and without a 30 day winter break.

onuwaje:
I hereby nominate dis as the most senseless post of the year

For u to say la liga is barca dominatesd with 24 ligas and someone has 31

Ur sense de pain u o

I can't even take this an insult

bykebyke:
Since Ronaldo joined Real Madrid in 2009, he and Messi have equal number of Liga goals (270) with Messi playing 12 minutes more.

Ronaldo has 270 goals in 247 games (21,206 mins), while Messi has 270 goals in 252 games (21,218 mins).

CR: 78.54 mins/goal
Messi: 78.59

Messi has a 28.33% conversion rate to Ronaldo's 20.03%. It means Messi needed 953 shots to score 270 goals while Ronaldo needed 1348 shots.

Also since 2009, Messi created 541 chances, 93 more than Ronaldo who created 448. Messi got 104 assists to Ronaldo's 78. [D Mail]

Since 2009, Messi scored 396 goals and got 149 assists in 390 games in all competitions, Ronaldo got 380 goals and 105 assists in 367 games.

Well, in the CL since 2009, Ronaldo has 80 goals, 23 assists in 81 games to Messi's 76 goals, 18 assists in 78 games.

Since 2009, Ronaldo's 270 Liga goals comprises of 55 penalties (215 goals without pk) Messi's 270 goals has 35 penalties in them (235 gwp).

Overall since 2009, Ronaldo scored 69 penalties in his 380 Real Madrid goals, while Messi scored 47 penalties in his 396 goals since then.

Finally, since Ronaldo joined Real Madrid in 2009 he's won 10 trophies with them, Messi won 21 trophies since then, more than twice.

Nihilist..respect yourself.

There are levels to this shït.

Things like chances created and assists all heavily rely intelligent movement and positioning of your teammates. Afterall a chance created is simply a pass that led to a shot on goal , while an assist is a pass that led to a shot on goal that entered the net.

If I played with Neymar, Suarez, Thierry Henry, Ibrahimovic, Eto'o and David Villa, I would be racking up the assists too because each one of those guys has been regarded as one of the top 5 strikers of their era. Their movement is great and they can finish any chance. Defenders don't want to mark them because they are fast enough and skillful enough to make you look foolish at any time.

I have said it to you. Even Ororo had said it to you. The fact Ororo can still match Messi's output despite lacking the same quality in teammates is a testament to his greatness. If Messi was playing at Madrid and Ronaldo at Barca during the same period, Ronaldo would have scored at least 1000 goals and Messi would have been deported to Argentina.

In a Barca dominated league, Ororo has still done enough to be voted world best not once, not twice, but 3 times. In the same period, Messi playing outside Barca has failed not once, not twice, but 3 times. In the same period, Messi's Barca teammates have succeeded without him not once, not twice but 3 times.

Same number of league goals since 2009. One guy had Xavi and Iniesta. The other was managing Van Der Vaart and Royston Drenthe.

A40:
Lol wetin Hargreaves dey do for your list? That's a Bayern product


The likes of Ronaldo, Müller, Kroos, Götze, Neymar, Pogba, Alaba, Varane, Draxler e.t.c were not Barkley, Rodwell or Wilshere's age and were carrying significantly heavier loads when they started running things

Heavier loads where? How?

Portuguese league where there were only 16 teams in the league. Or German league where there are only 18 teams and still get a 1 month winter break? Or Italian league that is so slow that Old footballers go there to shine?

In terms of intensity, England is the most physically demanding country to play in. And we haven't even mentioned the domestic cups. Add European duties to it and you will realise that those guys you mentioned were relatively protected from the physical abuse their colleagues in EPL get.

The likes of Jenas, Rodwell, Dyer, Lennon, Chamberlain, King and Wilshere have primarily their lack of ability to blame before we start to consider injuries.

Aaron Lennon was never the subject of significant hype even when he was at leeds. Bar Ledley King, not a single one of those players has/had played enough to say they lacked ability. Infact they are\were all still in the 'promising stages' of their careers when Injuries started wracking their bodies.

Rodwell for example was only 18 or 19 when he had the first of his deadly injuries and has been suffering ever since. Only Last year he suffered 9 separate injuries. At one point, he was a client of your Bayern Doctor and recieved 50 injections in 5 days! EPL rigours no be beans bro.

ddippset:
Nihilist, football is never entirely about the number of goals you score: however ; 1. take into account how many penalty goals they both have. 2. take into account how many assists they both have within the period. 3. take into account that in 6 seasons since 2009, messi has won the official best player in la liga 5 times while ronaldo has won just one, I repeat just one. best player in la liga. 2009/2010-messi. 2010/2011-messi. 2011/2012-messi. 2012/2013-messi. 2013/2014-ronaldo. 2014/2015-messi. Nihilist, football is not all about lurking around the 18 yard box and tapping the ball in the back of the net.

Messi has always played with better teammates than Ronaldo. And of course the best player in the best team in the league is likely to win the best player in the league award.

But people also realise that a striker can score a million goals and still fail to win the league if his teammates let him down, afterall the Messi with exactly the same number of goals has won the league 5 times to Ronaldo's 1.. This is why Ronaldo has been voted the best player in the world three times since he moved to spain, because despite only winning the league once, it's pretty obvious that he's been as prolific as the midget supported by better team mates.

homesteady:
50 goals in a league season, Nihilist let Ronaldo beat that, then we can talk about 91 goals in a calender year!

All this shows is that Messi suffered a lean spell afterwards while Ororo stayed slaying, because despite scoring 50 goals in a season, Messi still can't outscore Ororo.

A40:
Are you sure about this? From what I have seen thus far a lot of them cope pretty well with the speed and intense kick and follow pattern that is rife in the league. The problem lies with the skill position players who lack the basic technique and necessary vision to interpret their roles. See what you highlighted about Barkley for instance. A Toni Kroos on crutches would never complete less than 50% of his passes, even Julian Draxler or his mates in Spain

Infact it is only in England that players like Barkley and Sterling can be described as technical.

Relatively few English players play 1st team football in EPL. Outside of the Top 6, the English footballers in the EPL tend to be one-dimensional, kick and follow stamina types, who due to their relative lack of talent were not thrust into EPL football straight away, but had to go and learn their work in the lower leagues and then slowly work their way up. That lack of talent meant that they weren't heavily relied on and expected to play every game too early in their careers which allowed their bodies to slowly acclimatise to the rigours of professional football over time.

The truly talented kids get rushed into the first team very early, and get played a lot - too much sef, and their bodies begin to suffer. Rooney is one good example, he's only 31 but looks and plays like he's 40, no surprise when he's been playing EPL ball since the age of 16. Owens Michael and Hargreaves, Ledley King, Kieron Dyer and Jermaine Jenas, Danny Welbeck, Jack Rodwell, Jack Wilshere and even Oxlade-Chamberlain are examples of this.

Obviously the likes of Lampard and Gerrard are examples of English players who were able to maintain their athleticsm, inteligence and technique into old age, but these guys are exceptions.

Almost every young England player that generates significant hype is guaranteed to break from overuse. Just look at Harry Kane, the injury he just came back from gave him his first real break from Football in almost 3 years!

A40:
You do know this applies to 90% of English players over the last 40-50 odd years

At all.

The vast majority of the English talents we've seen recently, never truly get to reach their potential because their bodies can't cope with the demands of EPL football. They don't even get far enough to develop their brains to world class level because their bodies break down partly due to the intensity of the league and partly due to the way the clubs throw them into the deep end way too soon.

Barkley and Sterling are the only young English talents in recent years who seem to have the required athleticism and technique to go far in the game. Sterling at least seems to be learning under Pep. Barkley is just a typical golugo from Liverpool, and then dey dull gaan for that zone.

Meanwhile he's been in Spain for a lot longer, he's played with far better teammates and he's played more minutes...but Messi still can't outscore Ororo in the league.

A40:
Its like they have a conveyor belt that keeps streaming mediocre players in that England ad infinitum. Na this Barkley dey do shakara for Nigeria. ROTFLOL

That Barkley guy is super talented. He is fast, strong and blessed with great technique. Unfortunately he is restrained from achieving true greatness by the upper limit of his intellect.

Quite simply, that almost nigga is too dumb to be able to harness his considerable abilities for good. It doesn't matter if a computer has 100gig of RAM physically installed, if it has a 32 bit OS running on it, it will never be able to use more than 4gig of RAM.

Barkley is a 32 bit footballer.

Havilah93:
@Chelseahq

#Chelsea have an offer of £42million on
the table to tempt Bayern Munich
midfielder Arturo Vidal to move to
Stamford Bridge. [Express]
7:27 PM - 20 Dec 2016
132 162

I hope this happens. Vidal is a supremely talented player , though he has issues off the pitch. Vidal and Kante as a midfield duo would be awesome- dynamic, athletic and explosive

raumdeuter:
Lukakus value according to transfermarkt is 40M, James transfermarkt value is 70M
http://www.transfermarkt.com/james-rodriguez/profil/spieler/88103
http://www.transfermarkt.com/romelu-lukaku/profil/spieler/96341
Whoever priced him at 55M thought Goodison Park would be added to the deal, Lukaku alone? with those 2 left legs wey be Klegs sef no fit worth more than 15M

When you can get any jambody agbero in oshodi to do the same thing: run, bump into or delierate jambody with players and with some good fortune the ball hit him on the way in. Like Samuel peters on a football field

40m is still very expensive for a 23 year old striker. Alexis Sanchez and Diego Costa were signed for less.

hensben:
Hes not pacey enough to play that RWF

I don't think you really need pace in that area at all, just quick bursts of acceleration. Pace is only really useful out on the flanks heading towards the byline. A left footer on the right flank is going to be moving away from space into congested areas that prevent him from applying the pace anyway.

Close control and acceleration is more important than pace in those areas, see coutinho at pool, KDB on the left for city or Mahrez also at (a different) city as examples of none pacy assassins on the flanks as inverted wingers.