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raumdeuter:
Making a semi final of a major tournament is success on its own since only 1 team can win the whole thing

Argentina makes semi final, Holland makes semi finals, ENgland has not made a semi final in 20yrs and a major final in 50yrs despite all their useless award winning players upandan

These are relative terms.

Argentina in the Finals is successful relative to England in 2nd round.

Argentina in finals is a failure relative to Germany and Chile who won.

However that is a very different discussion.

A40s post deals in very absolute terms.

A player is not overrated? Where are his titles? If he keeps failing year in year out, the player is overrated.

His own words from his own mouth.

Why can't he stand by them?

A40:
Failing != Failing to win a title

You are mashing up different parts of my posts and coming up with childish conclusions

At all bro.

Your misyarns were all contained in one post.

If we take it to Object Oriented design, we can say that your post was very well encapsulated.

You asked where the titles were and very clearly indicated that lack of titles was synonymous with failure.

Those are absolute terms which should be true in all scenarios.

A40:
If Messi that lost in the Finals of a tournament is a failure then how much more the ones from a country that have not gotten to said Finals in 50 years

The only way you can justify your gaffe is to compare Argentina to England.

Your criteria in your original post were very clear.

Your post does not ask for quarters, semis etc. It does not ask for comparison to other teams.

It simply asks for titles.

Where are the titles A40?

This is why I said that post was an exhibition in very poor logic because you cannot defend your stance purely within the parameters set in that post.

You have to look at semis and qualifiers. You have to ask what happens when Messi did not play etc...

The moment you start giving reasons why a lack of titles isn't necessarily failure, then your entire post questioning Lampard's lack of titles becomes utterly pointless...and is that what you want bro?

Long Essay like that to be rendered pointless crap?

Come on bro, I'm sure you can show us Messi's titles...

A40:
Run? You don't have a prayer

You keep running from the simple question that you asked.

"Why have those individual awards not been converted to titles? "


A40 why is Messi not overrated? Afterall where are his titles?

Where are his titles bro?

Lmao bobo don run yet again....

A40:
Ofe l'ohun. You can growl like DMX till you are blue in the face

The emboldened shows you still didn't understand my post ab initio

You are still not showing signs of improvement hence you leave me no choice but to pull the plug on this argument. Come back when you can tell the difference between narrowly losing Finals and missing the Euros altogether

Did you ask for titles yes or no?

A40:
I'm sleep yo. We can also say Atleti failed or compare Simeone to Wenger. Nihilist is just on a mission to obfuscate. Biting the bait was my mistake

You are the one that asked for titles.

You are the one that contextualised the absence of titles as international failure.

That post says nothing about finals, semi finals or qualifiers.

It very explicitly asks for titles.

You just don't demand titles, you demand titles won in the same convincing fashion as one of the most dominant international sports teams of all time

Oya thesis.

A40:
You are chasing your own tail at this point.

You listed four tournaments where Argentina got to the Finals and lost two shootouts as an example of Argentina's failure. I showed you England not getting out of the group stage at a WC, Failing to qualify for the Euros in a group with Russia, Andorra, Israel and Croatia, losing to a country the population of Oke Odo market on a busy day. Equating Argentina's scenario with England just tells me you are trolling or genuinely confused. One national team has not played a final in 50 years, the other played in 4 in less than a decade.

In the Argentine side can Agüero's and ADM's contributions be compared to Messi's? Who is the irreplaceable component out of the 3?

Not outrightly winning a tournament does not equate to automatic failure I have never indicated that in any of my posts. If you don't or are unwilling to grasp that simple concept then abeg stop wasting my time

When I said that you keep you keep twisting yourself around your poor logic like a snake, you come up with many different excuses.

See the original post that I quoted verbatim. You can see that you set the original context by asking why none of the likes of Owen Beckham Ferdinand Lampard and Terry don't have international titles...

A40:
You will never understand the concept of overrated players with that your brain wey dey always do paku paku like I pass my neighbor generator. Why have those individual awards not been converted to titles?

Owen, Beckham, Ferdinand, Lampard, Terry have all won multiple individual awards so simple logic dictates that these amalgam of stars in one team should be beasting and destroying teams like the 92 Dream Team.

The question then for any intelligent mind is why do they keep failing year in year out? The odd outlier or bad tournament is understandable but when this collective keep failing every two years like clockwork only a certified crazeman like you would not see that these players are overrated

So I'm very surprised that you've switched tack from demanding titles to asking for final appearances.

This was the very reason I called you out in the first place.

So let me ask you again....

So let us use the criteria you listed up there in that damning post...

Given his

1. Lack of senior international titles

2. Failure year in year out ( 3 years in a row)

Please explain how Messi is not overrated.

Otherwise you are a wasteman..

Your words not mine.

ddippset:
our golden generation is surely going. first it was puyol and abidal(damn when those 2 were in our defence line how many goals did ronaldo score in classicos sef? maybe zero or one), .

The Answer is actually 13

Leyqute:
Nihilist.

I hear you're having a meltdown over Man Utd matter. You've been raucous all day long, spittle dripping from the corner of your mouth.

What's troubling you son?

My favourite palmwine tapper.

I just want to hear your latest theory on Manyoo's woes...

Take it away bro...the floor is yours...

eph12:
Because they are a good side too and they're at home.

You are absolutely right...

Getting a point at Goodison park is a good result....

Emaprince:
That's great. My only problem with the guy is... based on what I saw in the last Euro, he was misplacing a lot of passes. I hope he's improved on that though.

I wasn't impressed with him then either, and I'm not sold on him now...

I just saw that fantastic move and wanted to share...

Lana1:
Lol. Be like say u get time dis afternoon. Trust me, U cant get any reasonable ansa to dat qweshun.

Na their type go dey tell us to keep looking at the positives when Sunderland come to draw us at OT.

lmao

The thing bust my head die...A draw against Everton should not be seen as a bad result.

Gone are the days when Manyoo was a dead cert for the title before season even started.

These are some truly strange days. Leicester won the title, and Manyoo has fallen so low that a draw with Everton is a good result.

As a fan of both Leicester and Chelsea as well as a proud ABU, I'm absolutely delighted that this is all happening in my life time.

eph12:
We have always spent much more than them so don't make it a last two years thing. Even when Fergie was here and we lost we spent more than them. It's irrelevant saying it's half or twice a billion.

And the half a billion can you list those players?

Yes even when when Sir Rednose was still in action, Manyoo had lost or drawn with Everton...that's not new...

The question is why should it not be seen as a bad result?

Fkhalifa:
I remembered those seasons of Arseno having all possession no result ....they said all sort of things...

Call the Devil by his name...

In 2015

Jose Mourinho: 'I ask myself if in the future, when I am a grandad and I am at home with my grandsons, and [b]maybe the future of football is a beautiful green grass carpet without goals and in that beautiful grass pitch the team with more ball possession wins the game[/b]. Because everybody says "oh, my team plays fantastically well, we had great ball possession". Good. "Oh, we build very well." Good.

'It looks like the goals are not there. Sometimes you speak about "boring" and you consider boring a team that scores as many goals as we do, but you don't consider boring a team that has 70 per cent of the ball possession and cannot win the game. It's quite a big contradiction.

'Football started a few centuries ago and the objective was one, but now it looks like the objective is another one.

'For me, I am very simple in my analysis. Football is about putting the ball in the net of your opponent and stopping your opponent

In 2016

Jose Mourinho: When my teams are playing pragmatic football and winning matches and winning titles you say that is not nice and not right,"

"Then my team play very well - and is a huge change to the last two or three years [at United] - now you say what matters is to get the result no matter what.

"In this moment we have teams getting results that defend with 11, kick ball and attack the space on the counter-attack...it is phenomenal, it's beautiful.

I laugh in tax evasion...

He even scored to cap an all action MOTM display in the Rome Derby...

That's some mad ting

https://i.imgflip.com/1fdu43.gif

Naingollan

eph12:
And those you lost to this season? They spent more than you?

Anybody can lose to anybody...That's not in doubt...

What is up for debate here is why a draw with Everton should be seen as a good result, especially after spending more in the market in the last 2 years than Everton has spent in the last 22...

airmark:
That link may be faulty

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Yeah make I try another site.

eph12:
A draw away to Everton under normal circumstances should not be considered a bad result

Despite spending half a billion pounds in transfer fees alone between just 2014 and now?

That's more than Everton have spent in transfer fees since the EPL began in 1992....

raumdeuter:
He is waiting for Man City to drop points.

On Saturday he was seen all over writing epistles about Pep, 24hrs after a draw to Everton he dissappeared like ..

I just dey laugh.

Last year, he kept shouting how Mourinho's failure to rotate players was what was causing our repeated failures. Now Conte is playing the same guys week in week out and is top of the league, yet Jose that is rotating more than a flying saucer is still failing...

Manyoo fans need to produce Leyqute for me. I need to hear his next words of wisdom...

Na wa o.

Shey we no fit post gif again ni?

So this happened this weekend....

Naingollan goes to win the ball and...
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This is probably one of the reasons why Conte seems to want him so badly

I think I can get jiggy with any midfielder that can segue from ball winning tackle to cruyff turn.

Has anybody seen Leyqute?

Where is that palmwine tapper?

Where is Leyqute?

AdisaOwala:
31 Epl goals wey him score that year = 200 laliga goals - Abraham Lincoln(1854)

Actually, you maybe right on that one.

Everybody knows Messi can't do it at Stoke on a wet windy Wednesday...

Cc Bykebyke

AdisaOwala:
Sir Alex himself cleared the air a few month ago...



However, I think it can still be argued that Ronaldo might not have blossomed into the goal machine currently at Real Madrid if he didn't join UTD at that time - he might probably have turned out to be an unserious ball-juggling winger in the Portuguese 2nd Division presently.

Ferguson's sense of judgment ( as evidenced by his decision to be patient with Ronaldo) is also praise worthy - he could as well have loaned him out immediately he joined the club.

Of course, Ferguson had to be patient with Ororo. Any top manager recognises that Ororo was a once in a life time talent

And while I agree that Ronaldo definitely improved his goal scoring game a bit at Manyoo, it is at Madrid that Ororo became a net assassin.

Ororo's best season for Manyoo saw him net 42 in all comps. Apart from his first season at Madrid, so far he is yet to drop below 47. So it could be argued that it he didn't go to Madrid, he would be unseriously blah blah in xyz league.

Ororo is the definition of self made man.

A40:
Chale you need visine because I included WCQ in that post. Blindness is not contagious last I checked

Since you are trying to be pedantic. Two can play that game. Messi missed a penalty kick not kicks like your statement is implying.

Maybe you need Adderall for your attention deficit. I have asked you to show me what they have done (Agüero/ADM) by themselves in Messi's presence or absence bar Agüero's Pk in the WC semis where Messi also scored and you have been drawing nothing but blanks

I'm not recanting zilch. And I have been defending my points with Steven Seagalesque ease

Let's do a brief recap.

A40: if a set of players keep failing regularly on the international scene despite winning individual awards, then they are overrated

Nihilist: What of Aguero, Di Maria, Messi and co.

A40: Messi is not overrated because he reached the final.

Nihilist: But Messi failed 3 times in a row; using your definition Messi is overrated

A40: There are levels to overrated. Aguero is overrated. Di Maria is overrated. Messi is not.

Nihilisr: so why are Aguero and Di Maria overrated while Messi is not. Afterall they also reached the final.

A40: it's no longer about failing at tournaments. It's no longer even about reaching finals. It's about qualifiers. Aguero and Di Maria are overrated because they did not score against Paraguay

Nihilist:





Lana1 can I please get a Lookatew gif this blessed momo.

airmark:
Keep lowering the numbers . For how many seasons did he score 20 penalties ?

I don't even understand where Serie B came into the discussion as it's pretty clear here what the main line of argument was

A40:
Elber - 133 goals in 260 Bundesliga games
Batistuta - 184 goals in 318 [size=18pt] Serie A[/size] games

A40:
If Argentina serial finalists are failures what do we call England? You are simply trolling now

I gave you a clear instance that highlights Agüero and ADM being overrated. Show me any tournament/WCQ where these guys have come through for Argentina in the absence of Messi. I repeat if you choose to deliberately misunderstand me that's on you

That's a pretty silly question because have they played any tournament without Messi?

More pertinently has the presence of Messi at any tournament changed their fortunes anyway? Was he not missing PKs in thr final?

So why should they be required to do something without Messi when the same Messi has done nothing of note?

Can you see how you're twisting yourself into knots of poor logic?

All you have to do is recant your earlier statement..because it's pretty obvious that you can't defend it.

airmark:
Apari raumdeuter ramuzaki, your boy believes aguero is overrated, is it true?




Mumu ni eleyi sa.

I noticed that Dayo left him to stand alone on that one...

Aguero Overrated

A40:
2002 Korea/Japan England - Quarter Final

2004 Portugal
England - Quarter Final

2006 Germany
England - Quarter Final

2008 Austria/Schweiz
England - DNQ

2010 South Africa
England - 2nd Round

2012 Poland/Ukraine
England - Quarter Final

2014 Brazil
England - Group Stage

2016 France
England - 2nd round (Lost to a country the population of Abule Egba)

If you cannot tell the difference between this kind of failure and the one you listed above of a team that got to the Finals of all 4 tournaments you listed then I'm afraid there's no point continuing this debate

So there are different types of failure now?

See how your poor logic is making you engage in a dance macabre.

So if Argentina's failures are not that serious, then on what basis are the likes of Aguero and Di Maria overrated?