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A40:
Are you asking me if Higuain, ADM and Agüero are overrated? Go and ask Messi, Barca fans and the average Argie on the street what they think of the players I listed above. My logic doesn't apply to Messi. You have taken it upon yourself to turn the argument on its head and O.Y.O is your case in this instance

We have seen Argentina that cannot beat ordinary Paraguay at home in Messi's absence. We have seen Argentina on the brink of WC disaster with ADM, Agüero, Higuain present and you are still asking me if they are overrated

What kind of yarns is this.

I should ask Barca fans if Aguero and Di Maria are overrated. Or I should fly to Buenos Aires to ask an Argentine if they are overrated...because you clearly must have

Aguero overrated....oya who con be the rated?

A40:
My friend there is levels to overrated. I am inherently aware of the difficulty of winning these tournaments but you can't sit there and tell me a supposedly World class bunch of players from attack to defense are combined together and consistently fail to even get to the latter stage of comps never mind winning it

If you choose to deliberately misunderstand me then how is that my fault?

These are your words verbatim:

"this collective keep failing every two years like clockwork only a certified crazeman like you would not see that these players are overrated"

Messi 2007 Copa - Failure

Messi 2014 World Cup - Failure

Messi 2015 Copa - Failure

Messi 2016 Copa - Failure

Oya explain how based on your own logic in your own words, Messi is not overrated.

raumdeuter:
Ronaldo was no betterthan Quaresma when Ferguson signed him from Lisbon

He got to Man Utd as a winger and he met a coach who believed in him, gave him more responsibilities, challenged him and turned him into a beast

Of course most of the work comes from the player Unless you want to argue that no coach has ever developed a player in the history of the game since the coach doesnt enter the field with the player

Ferguson famously wasn't even really involved in training.

All he did was set tactics and shout at players.

Listen to what a manyoo coach said about Ronaldo

When I arrived in Carrington in 2007, we had a fantastic culture; a working culture.

"Cristiano, even in a fantastic working environment, he was a stand-alone. He was the first one in, practiced on his own, to ensure that he had that quality practice time.

"It was great for not only the senior players - he made everyone uncomfortable when they saw him do it - but also for the younger players to look up to him and to see him on the training ground.

"Invariably, his coaches would have to drag him off. That was the level of discipline, the level of professionalism required."

Ferguson can take credit for the John Osheas and Wes Browns of this world but never for Ororo who already had significant talent to begin with, and the strong work ethic and constant desire to improve.

Ferguson made Ororo. You've got jokes man...

raumdeuter:
DiMaria and Higuain are overrated.
Messi made 3 finals, these group of England useless 11 cant even make a semi final

Before A40 was talking about why Beckham and co did not win anything.

The fact that it has now changed to 'make final' already shows how illogical such a stance is to begin with.

Now you guys are playing cut and paste.

Before the argument was

[quoteWhy have those individual awards not been converted to titles? Owen, Beckham, Ferdinand, Lampard, Terry have all won multiple individual awards so simple logic dictates that these amalgam of stars in one team should be beasting and destroying teams like the 92 Dream Team. The question then for any intelligent mind is why do they keep failing year in year out? The odd outlier or bad tournament is understandable but when this collective keep failing every two years like clockwork only a certified crazeman like you would not see that these players are overrated][/quote]Now it has turned to...you can fail on the international stage but not be overrated...

raumdeuter:
Yes I doubt many people will argue here that Ferguson made Ronaldo

Nobody built ororo. He designed himself.

Are you kidding me? The man is the very definition of Work Ethic. Go and read the interviews about him literally designing his own training regime at Manyoo and then spending several hours after training doing his own thing

There was also a work ethic. Quinton Fortune, the former United player, tells the story of how Ronaldo would finish training, strap on some ankle weights and go back on to the pitch to work on his step-overs. The players would laugh at him

Manyoo signed him after he dribbled all of them. He was already a phenomenon before he signed. He was fantastic at United but ascended to godhood in Madrid.

Ferguson made Ronaldo my azz.

A40:
Agüero, Higuain, ADM are very much overrated. But again you are missing the point like a free throw. Argentina can at least boast of narrowly losing out of all 3 trophies. Losing in the finals (close games) England cannot even get to semi final FFS so your example na offside

Aguero Higuain and ADM are overrated...

Are you listening to yourself at all?

BTW Messi is also on the list, and your Logic also applies to him. Afterall he has loads of individual awards but can't win anything internationally.

raumdeuter:
Not everyone who Einstein taught became a professor Some became dullards


Not every youth will make the next step from runner up to winner and dominate the game

Fergie who was credited with Ronaldo also never produced another Ronaldo in his career, Infact he had more David Bellion, Fat Anderson and Bebe

Ferguson made who?



Is this guy kidding me?

raumdeuter:
Messi went from 16 goals a season in all comps pre Pep to 38goals in all comps just a season with Pep, to 49 goals a season, to 53 goals a season, to 73 goals a season.

Those 4 yrs were the best for Messi production wise

So you don't think that a youth with 2 WPOTY podium finishes under his belt would have improved anyway?

Ok why hasn't Pep made another one since he left?

In fact, why didn't he turn the likes of Tello and Bojan into new Messi's.

Made ko, Madea ni.

Ronaldo for Balon Dor

Funlordjnr:




Somebody dey feel my guy "the weekend"! Brilliant mofo..........

Long time fan here bruv.

A40:
I was also shocked when you came onto this forum and did not know the difference between a DM and a deep-lying playmaker.

The argument on who is better is moot. At the end of the day the titles and Elber's contribution to them are lucid for all to see.

Boateng had a bad game vs Rostov. Big whoop! In 2013 we lost to phucking BATE Borisov from Belarus you daft he-goat. Didn't stop Bayern from a CL and didn't stop Germany from a World Cup title. Big players know how to rise to the occasion

The question I have been asking and you are yet to give a coherent answer to is why do the all star Lampard, Beckham, Owen, John Terryble and Ferdinand keep failing at the biggest stage. Who is that 'Boateng' sabotaging their efforts? Why is that Boateng not doing so for Bayern and Germany and who are the daft coaches that keep picking him?

Apa. What stats murdered me? If we exclude penalties I'm sure the difference would be non existent.

Weyrey alaso

This line of argument is very very poor. If we apply thr same question to Argentina, the conclusion is that the likes of Messi Aguero ADM Higuain Macsherano etc are overrated

raumdeuter:
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Pep made Messi the monster he is today from a winger scoring few goals to one of the greatest goal scorers ever seen in the game

*In YG's voice*

Please tell me why you always lying.

Messi at the age of 20 had already been voted the 2nd best player in the world before Pep started coaching the Barca 1st team.

Pep started coaching Barca in the summer of 08, by October Messi had made the WPOTY shortlist again. As you know, the voting would have been in consideration of events that had happened to previous year.

So it's relatively safe to say the Messi had been voted 2nd best player in the world twice before the age of 22, and before Pep even had anything to do with him...and it was obvious to anyone that Messi was always going to go on to do great things.

The Weeknd said "if you say you made me, then replace me"

Pep should turn Sterling to Monster too in the same way you did to DavidBanky

nyabinghi:
you have been nominated for the ballon d'troll alongside nihilist,kokaneprodigy and pataki.

Give it to airmark for his amazing work on the Bayern thread

AdisaOwala:
Nihilist is a Muslim - an Alhaji at that!

Lmao I've never stepped foot in a mosque in my life.

Chelseafan1:
My Chelsea brothers, do you guys still prefer Matic to Fabregas??
Without Matic, we still won 3-1.

If not for Alonso and Cahill, could have been yet another clean sheet.


Cc

Ibime
Nateevs
Nihilist
Airmark
Diggz
Hensben
Emaprince
Griffon
Bigkesh

Imo Fabregas made a very good case for himself today. His ability to move the ball and see the whole pitch is something we've been missing from Matic(Who isnt really that great defensively anyway)

Can he win his place back in the side? I don't know...but I would like him to have a run in the side.

Willian also did very very well today.

At thr very least, both Pedro and Matic will know that they have to be on their toes with Fab and Willian staking their claims

Aguero red

I love what Fabregas did there though.

Slapped Fernandinho first and then played the victim. A true master of the dark arts.

E pain them!!!!!!

raumdeuter:
Where is Hidden? I get he is Hidden as usual

Say what say what anything can happen!

Hazard you fücking legend

Chai Hazard you beauty!!!

Please tell me Costa isn't really injured...

This fernandinho should not even be on the pitch.

How many more fouls is he going to make?

This Alonso dude is terrible though

What a counter

Cahill smh

diggz:
Alonso looks weak and lost

He almost always does tbh...

His main work is to open up space for Hazard by staying wide, which he does to a good extent. Anything else he gives me is a bonus as he's quite average attacking and defending wise

Kai watching that pass from Silva from reverse angle...

That was sublime.

Silva God see pass...

Oboi our corner routines are supeerwell rehearsed

David Luiz is a very lucky boy.

Ope o.

Meanwhile Hazard why?

Fernandinho is a devil o.