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[quote author=raumdeuter post=51721511]Argentina failed to Chile twice right, Should we compare England numerous awardees to Iceland and Costa Rica? The teams who qualified at their expense in the last 2 tournaments
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Stop trying to save your boy with irrelevant analogies.

Whatever point he is trying to make must bring true in all cases.

End point of England vs Argentina WRT to individual awards MUST be true of Argentina vs Chile

End of.

A40:
Let's compare the individual awards of England and Argentina squads. Whosai. You are just yarning dust and dancing running man like Hammertime

Let me even ask what does this prove?

Whatever answer you give must be true when we compare individual awards of the Argentina and Chile squads who they lost to twice....


And let me remind you

A40:
Besides anybody still talking about Chile as a massive underdog circa 2015-2016 is clearly out of touch with reality.

raumdeuter:
He said Aguero was overrated. I am not sure you asked him for reason and many didnt also before jumping up in excitement.

Read this again

He was was very clear that the only person his logic did not apply to was Messi.

A40:
Who has amassed more individual awards between Messi and the entire English team. I can see when a nigga is trying to be intellectually dishonest. The midlife crisis suffering mofos cheering you on were too blind to see the apology I squeezed out of you and are still doing the Kizomba of stewpidity

Anyhow. I said it from the jump. Let us pick the two teams you gleefully used as examples. Who has won more individual awards. Let us select from the entire squad and compare their award spread so we can now see who has truly failed

There is nothing intellectually dishonest about anything i said.

These are the two arguments you've made.

Argument 1: If there are no titles in numerous attempts despite numerous individual awards, then the players are overrated

Argument 2: England had more individual awards and achieved less than Argentina.

These arguments are mutually exclusive.

I have done everything in my power to let you know that I am not interested in your second argument. I have even ignored your poor comprehensive skill and accepted that your second argument is correct.

The main argument is number 1

Argument 1: If there are no titles in numerous attempts despite numerous individual awards, then the players are overrated


And you have been exposed more times than a baby's bottom in that regard.

Let me remind you:

raumdeuter:
Its failure for awards not to convert to titles, And in that regards Argentina failed,

Shall we proceed?

raumdeuter:
What you quoted ADM Higuain and Aguero are overrated. Without a doubt ADM and Higuain are overrated, One was bought for 80M the other for 65M when both should be going for half of that. Aguero while bettter than the two he is also overrated by several analyst who try to bring him into the conversation of the best striker in the world

You have a point...but none of these criteria was introduced by your guy.

We are sticking to the criteria A40 mentioned nothing more

raumdeuter:
A40 was not making a simplistic argument cos he was under the impression you would be more discerning that career retardds like airmark

Really? let me remind you again of what your guy A40 said when his argument was questioned?

The only person he exempted from his logic was Messi.

Let me ask you again, do you agree with A40's argument strictly speaking?

raumdeuter:
Strictly speaking anyone who fails to win failed, But thats simplistic at best.

Very good

But this was the exact argument that your guy A40 made.

That those who did not convert awards into titles have failed, and those that failed repeatedly are overrated.

Do you agree with A40s argument?

raumdeuter:
There have been several commentators who have attempted to sneak Aguero into the conversation of the best striker in Europe and thats overrating him

The only person who has done this was A40 himself.

raumdeuter:
If you say Aguero is the best striker around, thats overrating him

Nobody has said this.

raumdeuter:
Its failure for awards not to convert to titles, And in that regards Argentina failed,

Its even a bigger failure when a team filled with more awardees than Argentina cant even make a semi final.

Argentina failed, England is an embarassment and all those awards they hae should be called to question

Very good.

That's 1.

Let's revist stage 2 of the original premise:

The question then for any intelligent mind is why do they keep failing year in year out? The odd outlier or bad tournament is understandable but when this collective keep failing every two years like clockwork only a certified crazeman like you would not see that these players are overrated

Do you believe that Argentina's performance in 2014, 2015, and 2016 fits this criteria up here?

Strictly speaking of course.

Raumdeuter still waiting for your reply...

raumdeuter:
How many players in Argentina have won awards like the English team? Yet Argentina made 3 finals and England couldnt make a semi final

WHich brings us back to the basis of the argument, Those awards ar useless and the English players are overrated especially Beckham Terry Rio and co

This is a valid but argument, but this is not what A40 said...

Let me remind you:

A40:
You will never understand the concept of overrated players with that your brain wey dey always do paku paku like I pass my neighbor generator. [size=18pt]Why have those individual awards not been converted to titles?[/size]

Now what is your submission based on the original premise alone

A40:
What are you even accusing me off precisely? You are just jumping like a cat on a hot tin roof.

Who had more talent 06 England or 14 Argentina. You were exposed woefully. You are now bringing up unrelated posts from past events

You have metamorphosed from Illusionista to Desperado

I'm accusing you of not standing by your words.

Even if for the sake of Argument, England had more talent than Argentina(FYI they didnt), that is still completely irrelevant to the discussion.

When you labelled Gerrard and co as Overrated, you did not do it comparison to Argentina.

You based your assertion on the fact that they had a lot of talent and failed.

I then tried to apply the same criteria independently to Argentina, and the result should have been the same.

By your own previous admissions , Argentina were a very good side, boasting a WPOTY and a player you felt was one of the top 20 in the world. Yet Argentina also failed.

You then tried to cover up your excuses by trying to compare England's failure to Argentina's failure. You then gave excuses why not winning titles is not synoymous to failure despite asking for titles from England.

I mean this is your entry in 2014 where you state clearly that equate Argentina's WC defeat to failure.

Why on earth can't you stick to your words?

Don't you see how ridiculous you look?

airmark:
Chai

So argentina team was not average in his post in 2014 but now they are average . Ajakaja40 wont stop disgracing himself anytime soon.

Mate that's what I want to hear next. A40 even went as far as saying that Messi was poor at the worldcup and based Argentina's success that year on their defence.

I don't understand how based on his own definitions and criteria, Messi is not overrated.

You can see how he nearly ran away from the Kaka question posed to AdisaOwala, and has tried to switch from Madonna to films to Wenger.

All just so he can justify one goof of a statement...

afrodoc2:
Nairaland is overrated

Seun doesn't have a world cup medal...so I guess you're right.

A40:
English na moraphucka oh. What else do Billboards, MTV use to do their ratings? No be sales?

I would list Aretha Franklin, Etta James, Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Billie Holiday, Nina Simone, Celine, Whitney, Mariah Carey even Janet Jackson over the overrated
Madonna

Vocally, sonically, stage performance, content e.t.c

You are talking of Grammies. We can also call Kanye the best rapper. Orisirishi

How many times will I tell this guy that Rap is not the same as Pop?

Will the allegations of Ghostwriting leveled against Drake be an issue in any other genre of music?

You don chop today?

A40:
At the very least this merely proves I am also guilty of overrating him. I am still looking for your point in all of this.

Illusionista

LMAO

This boy is just a clown.

I'm out abeg...

AdisaOwala:
A40, You see wetin your 'overated yarn' don cause you now...

Just eat the humble pie & accept defeat jare

You never even see anything...

As of last year A40 thought Aguero was one of the top 20 players in the world but now he is overrated..

A40:
Agüero, Higuain, ADM are very much overrated. But again you are missing the point like a free throw. Argentina can at least boast of narrowly losing out of all 3 trophies. Losing in the finals (close games) England cannot even get to semi final FFS so your example na offside

A40:
You have not admitted you lied about Lennon and Wayne Bridge.

Where I'm going is embedded in the rest of the post you quoted

OK I lied.

Oya what next.

A40:
You are just shooting megedefegede out of your hip like a cowboy. I have told you repeatedly that Sales != Greatness. We are talking about someone who has been caught miming and lip syncing cos we all know she ain't got no voice

What is the highest grossing movie of all time and how good was it?

What is this one saying?

We've told you several times to name your criteria and use that to list your top 10, you no gree.

Yet you're insisting that someone who has won 313 awards including a whopping 7 grammys, and has been honoured by everybody from Guiness book of world records to Billboard, MTV, to any music publication you can think of is overrated...

you sure say you don chop today?

A40:
Lmao. Of course you would not find them relevant after telling more lies than O.J on trial. We were debating about failure in context and I asked you to list the players from the Argentine team let's see who worked with more material when you erroneously claimed Argentina had a squad as good as England listing Messi and ADM as proof

You don lie sotey the lies don dey overwrite themselves

I have told you that for sake of Argument I will agree that England was better...

Oya what next na?

I want to see where you're going with this...

A40:
Nihilist brought up record sales as proof that she couldn't be overrated. Regardless of genre you can't be bringing that as an example of someone not being overrated. That's the point

Record sales is super important. Even despite Rap's emphasis on lyrics and bars, all of the usual members of Rap's top 5 have multi-platinum records...How can you be considered one of the greatest if you don't showyour appeal via record sales..

We're are talking about one of the greatest female singers of all time, and you said madonna would not make top 10.

If you even argued that Madonna was not the greatest, I can still understand, but not top 10?

Oya list the top 10 lets hear...

A40:
GOOFANTI. Where did you see Lennon playing all games for England? Illusionista

Stop wasting my time bruhh

I have never seen a person who is scared of their own words before.

The funny thing is the questions you're asking is of no real relevance to the discussion.

Lemme even make it easier for you.

Ok yes, England squad 2006 was better than Argentina of 2014.

Oya what next?

A40:
Thank God you brought up record sales.

Oya Nas and Nelly whose album's have more often been considered good enough to buy?

Rap is different to Pop.

Nobody cares about lyricsm in Pop music as nobody writes their own songs anyway.

The main reason anybody will pick Nas over Nelly is due to Lyricsm, and this is not a factor outside rap.

Try again.

A40:
Bars? Who is talking about bars?

Madonna sold sex and shock value for the most part. Lyrically, sonically, vocally and otherwise she is nowhere near as good as a lot of other great female acts.

Its not even up for argument

I knew you would yarn nonsense...as if most of the top artistes today don't sing mostly about sex and sell shock value.

If you say you're talking about your own preference, then that's fine. You are allowed to think that Benita Okojie is better than Beyonce...

If you say Madonna was overrated, you need to come with a valid reason why people have spent over a billion dollars to go and see someone who is nowhere near as good as other great female acts...

A40:
Lucious Lying. Less than 24 hours you are already denying your words like Simon Peter denied Jesus

I am responsible for what I write, not what you comprehend.

Which part of that statement implies that any of those guys were core players?

Even if you discount Wayne Bridge....

Did Paul Robinson not play every single game for England?

Did Aaron Lennon not play every single game for England?

What is wrong with this guy sef?

Why are you so desperate to run away from your own lies that you keep spinning like a vinyl?

AdisaOwala:
What exactly have they achieved in their musical careers wey you take use the boldened as examples in comparison to a rapper who is generally considered as one the greatest hip Hop artists of all time?

Don't even fall into that trap.

Rap is the only genre where the quality of your written bars is a criteria to assess GOAT status.

Outside Rap, nobody writes their own songs solo. Everybody employs a team of writers and then the artiste sings the result.

So I want to know what criteria he's going to use to claim that someone who has sold over 250 million records is overrated...

That is roughly 250 million people all over the world thought madonna's music was good enough to buy, but she's overrated. Let me hear what his criteria are first...

A40:
They said person dey overrated you are posting article from Wikipedia. Smh

So to you Madonna is the greatest female musician of all time? I'm crying fam. Na people like you go rate Nelly and Will Smith over Nas

Na wa o.

So Madonna resemble rapper to you?

Or you want to start checking Madonna's bars

What is wrong with this guy sef? A40 wait you dey joke or what?

Oya list your criteria, and explain how Madonna does not make any top 10 female artist list of all time.

A40:
Till you defend your lie of Lennon and Wayne Bridge being core members of the England squad in 06 please believe I'm not doing any debates with you

LMAO

When did I say Lennon and Wayne Bridge were core members of the England Squad?

Why you always lying bro?

Why?!

Emaprince:
Rihanna.. Nicki minaj.. missy Eliot.. ciara

I never see this kain thing for my life before

A40:
Illusionista. Tell us who had the better and more decorated squad between 2006 England and 2014 Argentina

See deflection again tori olorun.

Can you not stand by any of your own words?

A40:
So if you were asked to list top 10 female musicians all time you would include Madonna? Tell me, let me know your poor taste cuts across everything

But if we don't mention Madonna, who else would we mention?

Sasha? Weird MC?