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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:54pm On Aug 01, 2016
diggz:
Hope you realise azi is not known for his attacking prowess? He is known for not letting people pass him on the left flank. However, just because you desperately wanted to justify the shyyyytttie ghanianmans position in the team, you claimed defensive duties are secondary.
I think you want to argue for the sake of argument. Iva for example was only in team for what he could bring to attack, and not because of what he could do defensively because he was\is crap.

Generally speaking, defensive ability is less important for a fullback. I mean I just gave you a quote from bellerin who pointed out that when he started playing at RB he couldn't defend. So I'm not exactly sure what point you keep trying to make.

Nihilist, luiz was miles ahead of azi attack wise but poor defensively compared to azi.... Who featured more for mou? Yes! Azi.......
because Azpi is better overall than Luiz. Fact. Ivanovic was leaking goals on the other wing so it's not like Luiz couldn't push Azpilicuate to the right if he had the ability to. He didn't so he didnt.

So you can't justify buying baba rahman @ 22 so we could loan him out to develop him .when we should or could have given that space to a player from the youth! @ a zero cost to the team and club!
We bought Courtois for just a few million less than Baba and loaned him out. Courtois aged 22 was on loan. Lukaku aged 22 was on loan and he cost more than baba. Victor Moses cost roughly around the same as Baba and was sent on loan at 22. Mo Salah cost roughly around the same price as Baba and was loaned out at 22. I'm sure there's a point in your statement somewhere, but I actually can't seem to find it.

Secondly, if your guy is poor defensively and useless going forward @ 22years, what makes you feel he will suddenly develop the basic defensive or attacking boots to fit in CFC or command a reasonable fee... When na blackman he be from Ghana and not British?
sorry what? undecided

Either way you decide to see this, baba na complete waste of money and space..
That actually remains to be seen.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:39pm On Aug 01, 2016
Ibime:
I have already showed that Ake has not spoken to Conte, and the only communication he had was with Emenalo.

I showed that Ake knows nothing about whether Conte sanctioned his move or not, Ake said he BELIEVES Emenalo will speak to Conte.
You did not show anything. You only gave your interpretation of his statement based on the use of the phrase 'I think'. You must have missed the interview Ake gave when he said "I think I am a midfielder". I'm guessing he doesn't really know where he plays either.

That press conference was reported live on the BBC website and this is how they interpreted it:
New Chelsea boss Antonio Conte is behind the idea of a midfield role for the Netherlands Under-21 international.
So no nigga, you did not show nada. All you did was try to twist the very clear words of of the player himself just so that you can attack Emenalo again.

I don't now why a footballer who believes that his manager wants him to go on loan would be less clued up about his own affairs and career, than Ibime on Nairaland. grin

Please tell us who is Chelsea's current right back, Chelsea's current left back and their back-ups, and stop telling us stories.

When Ake was sent on loan, you told us it's because Baba is better.

Now Baba has been discarded, you are telling us it's because Azpi is better, and we only need a Mikel at left-back grin grin grin



Keep making it up as you go along. grin
This one isn't even up for debate.

Azpiliueta is our best left back. He has seen off competition from Ashley Cole, Felipe Luiz, Bertrand and now Baba. In pre-season, He has been playing at LB with Aina at RB, and this is despite the fact that Aina can play left back o.

As usual you would refuse to answer any question that threatens the Anti Emenalo narrative - Is Filipe Luiz as rubbish as Baba? Why did he not move Azpi to the right.

You're the one who keeps making things up bro.

We do facts only.

Facts. cool
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:10pm On Aug 01, 2016
Ibime:
Baba Rahman, a £22m signing needs to go on loan to get minutes.

Nathan Ake, who proved himself last season also needs to go on loan and get minutes.

So what now?

Do we have to buy another £20m leftback as backup to Azpi (who is also needed at rightback in the absence of a decent rightback)?

Nihilist the more you keep talking, the less sense you keep making. Sometimes you just have to sit back and take the L. . . .


The Real Story is this. . . .

As reported last season, some Chelsea board members are starting to question Emenalo, pointing to the fact his last two big money signings (Cuadrado and Rahman) have been mega flops. You should have seen how touchy Emenalo got when questioned on Cuadrado last season.

A TD is judged on his signings. If you make too many big money duds, you eventually lose your job.

Emenalo tried to play a fast one to park Nathan Ake away from Chelsea, to give his big money signing Baba Rahman ample opportunity to recover his value, so he doesn't look bad.

What Emenalo didn't reckon with is that Baba Rahman is utter shyte, and it only took 2 weeks for Conte to figure it out and spoil his plans.

In the meantime, the club have lost the use of Ake, who could have either served as back-up to Azpi, or potentially taken the position himself, allowing Azpi to take the rightback position.

That's just it.
Your story is interesting of course, especially because it requires you disbelieve the words that came out of Nathan Ake's own mouth.

We are talking about football here, not a Jame's Hadley Chase novel. Your conspiracy theories put even The DaVinci Code to shame.

WT actual F? cheesy

Even IF we kept Ake to play at LB, he would have only been a backup player. Azpi is our best Left Back. Sadly he doesn't appear to be as good on the right meaning that the only open space right now is for right backs.

Baba has to play to get minutes. Ake has to play to get minutes. With Azpi around they WON'T get those minutes. That's just the fact. Even if you argue that Baba was rubbish, can you reasonably say without prejudice that Felipe Luis is rubbish as well? If Felipe Luiz cannot displace Azpi, or push him to the right, doesn't that tell you how good Azpilicueta actually is?

The only space available at LB is for a benchwarmer, a left back equivalent of Mikel, someone who is willing to just stagnate on the bench for most of the season and be content with a couple of run outs a year. That's just the simple fact. And the club is unwilling to waste neither Baba nor Ake in that position.

Facts only
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 1:32pm On Aug 01, 2016
Ibime:
No need rehashing what we've already been through.

Emenalo na big phuck up.

A former leftback wey no fit scout leftbacks. Incompetence is his middle name.
grin

I don know say you go soon come.

The peoples champ.

Again let's ignore the verbatim words from players and coaches and blame Emenalo.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 1:24pm On Aug 01, 2016
diggz:
Examples of peeps fantastic going forward and can do more than a decent job defending. Not one who can't attack nor defend to save his life......
Yes because it makes sense to judge Baba who played less than a 1/3rd of all available matches during the worst Chelsea season for over 20 years.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 1:20pm On Aug 01, 2016
diggz:
@ Nihilist

You just type plenty things to justify the uselessness of baba and yet you didn't sat much!

Baba is 22years! So fvck what? He is not the second coming of Roberto Carlos, maldini or Ashley Cole so, what the fvck? Ki ni big deal?

I do not understand why you still think paying a kobo for baba makes any sense at all? Same 22yrs old who couldn't nail a spot were we had peeps like aina balling in preseason and got loaned out.

Sincerely speaking, baba is a cost center and a bad business!
14 million will not get you anything better than Azpi in today's market. The sooner you realise that, the less likely you are to have a heart attack.

The club spent 15m on Felipe Luiz and that one too could not displace Azpilicueta.

So instead of spending stoopid money on a a new left back, they decided to buy a young prospect and train him up.

Thus thing isn't so difficult to grasp. Shouting he is not Roberto Carlos is completely irrelevant because nobody ever said he was. Nobody expected him to be either.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:53pm On Aug 01, 2016
mithel:
lmaoo solid defensive core abi.....in the same season where ivanovic ,cahill and terry were the rest of the defense in the team...what prevented Azpi from joining them.No defensive core??Are you implying that Ryan was the main man in the core since he was the only one who made the cut from that solid core?? ehn?

And your age analogy is stoopid,so Drogba who was a late bloomer too would have been considered shyte by you or another player like payet sef.

Lool same Baba that got displaced by a 19year old LW from Brazil with no knowledge of english and people were more comfortable with kenedy playing there.He should cry back to germany.
The only thing stoopid here is your inability to differentiate between an analogy and a fact.

Bertrand and Azpi are the same age. Fact
Azpi was established first choice. Fact.
How do you expect Betrand to realistically displace Azpi when he's not getting any minutes to develop?
How do you expect Bertrand to get the minutes he needs when Azpi is so much better than him?

PFA team inclusion is only one indicator from a multitude of indicators to show that a player is good. Asking why Azpi did not make PFA team of the year is patently stoopid when Aguero didn't make the team despite being the highest goal scorer(in fewer minutes too) that year.

Arguing that Baba is was 'dispalced' by Kennedy is completely pontless because neither was a member of the first team anyway. My only point here is that Baba now has a chance to keep developing at Schalke. If he doesn't develop then we cut our losses and sell. If he does develop we either play him or sell for a profit.

qed.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:39pm On Aug 01, 2016
diggz:
It is funny to see how peeps are giving excuses for a supposed player who was bought to walk into the first team.

A player who can't defend to save his life, not a genius at attacking either, yet we are being told he will develop.

@ Nihilist, how is a LB defensive duty secondary and not primary?
I just gave you several examples of wingers who were converted to fullbacks primarily to retain their attacking instincts on the pitch.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:32pm On Aug 01, 2016
mithel:
Bertrand is useless....but was voted ahead of same Azpi(and you all know i am an Azpi fanboy) in the 2014/2015 team of the season...same season we won the league.His game time last season was hampered a lot last season due to injuries. If you hate someone,say you hate him,dont come here and say things that are not true.

Heck,even Van Aanholt is better than Baba. Mourinho effed us up big time and thunder fire that emenalo for making the Bertrand deal permanent. We have spent so much on that position, its almost unbelievable
Bertrand is UBER useless. He made the PFA team as part of a solid defensive core for Soton that year. As soon as the likes of Clyne and Aldeirweireld bounced, the team went from being one of the tightest units around to conceding somthing like 11 goals in just 3 games.

Southampton is a team where the best leave for better things year on year including both Players and Managers. Bertrand is one of the ones that aint going nowhere. He will stay there, see them come and watch them go like Dr Dre.

Bertrand is useless.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:26pm On Aug 01, 2016
diggz:
I like the way you call Bertrand useless but, ever willing to accommodate a glorified otondo like baba. One useless expensive shyyte of a player who can't even do his primary duty to save face.

How has baba been better than Ake....? Lol...bro you kinda funny sha! Once you have your mind made up there's no changing it.

Please, try look into useless Bertrand time with us at 22 and tell us if we deserved to be punished with bad signings like baba.
Bertrand at Baba's age was playing at Aston Villa. Baba is now at Schalke.

That alone should suggest that there is something different there.

Bertrand is useless. The guy that kicked him out of the team was his agemate. How can you play understudy to a guy born the same year as you? When will you get the chance to prove yourself if you're both advancing at the same rate in terms of age but not development? cheesy

Baba is 22. I cannot over emphasize that. 22 years old with 4 years of professional experience. This guy is the perfect deputy both in terms of age and experience.

You are the one that is disappointing yourelf because you did not hold realistic expectations from the beginning. You were expecting someone that would chase Azpi away, but the club went and bought an unfinished article. I don't think you understand that there is a massive scarcity of top 4 quality left backs right now. Look at our rivals for the top 4 - Monreal/Gibbs, Rose/Ben davies, Kolarov/Clichy, Shaw/Rojo. If if was so easy to find a quality left back, one of these guys would have found it.

Even further afield in Europe, the likes of Barca(Alba), Madrid(Marcelo), Bayern(Alaba) only have one good left back each. That's why the club is looking for raw youngsters with the right exposure like baba rahman to develop. Ake is also on the developmental list but it seems his future is not at LB either.

If we kept Ake to play LB, his career would stagnate because barring serious injury, he would never get the constant minutes he needs to develop. Ditto baba. And baba is even the better fullback.

If you expected something better than Azpilicuata for only 14 million pounds, then you only have yourself to blame. That's the ballpark fee for average pros like Bertrand or young talents like Baba.

Facts only.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 11:17am On Aug 01, 2016
afrodoc2:
That Baba is a baba nla of a defensive liability in my own opinion, aside his lovely pullouts not much to offer.
Defensive ability in a full back is a secondary trait.

The likes of Bellerin, Dany Rose and I believe even Dani Alves were converted wingers. I read a match report that suggests that Jesus navas has been playing Wing Back for Pep in preseason.

This is Bellerin on his development as a full back:
And the full-back told a number of national newspapers how he owes much to Bould's assistance, saying: "When I first came to Arsenal, I didn't know how to defend.

"If there was a person who I had to identify as helping me a lot, that would have to be Bould. I was a winger but from the Under-18s up, I remember him just showing me the basics.
And that's because attacking instinct cannot be taught, you either have or you dont.

Ake is a defensive player. Going forward he offeres relatively little. With good coaching and application, Baba has the solid potential to be a star fullback either for us, or for someone else.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 11:08am On Aug 01, 2016
diggz:
Bruv, baba got enough playing time and chance to show the world how Uber useless he was defending and clueless attacking....

I don't know why you want us to be patient with someone who is 23years old? Do you have any reason for this, asides him still being young?

I hope you remember Bertrand was about his age when he featured in our UCL victory in the finals against Bayern? Plus judging from the little I have seen of Bertrand , he was a better defender than baba at this age.

I sincerely do not have a single iota of hope/faith in baba. Even if he turns 19years old in 2years time,I will still pick taiwo taiwo ahead of him.
Baba Rahman did not get enough time. He played around 14 games in piecemeal minutes all last season. This is a young player moving to a new league, and struggling for minutes. I've always said that the loan system is good for development and this Schalke loan looks good for him.

Bertrand is useless abeg. Stop calling that guy's name. Bertarand was competing with a right back his own age and still couldn't cut it.

I never once suggested that Baba was ready to displace Azpi. My own has been Baba is better than Ake, and that's patently obvious.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 11:01am On Aug 01, 2016
afrodoc2:
Chelsea is not making any bank balance gains from Rahman, he is going to be sold at a loss. All he has done is dog-in-a-mangerly block the growth of the Chelsea youth. Ake is miles better at left back despite Ake himself preferring Central Midfield.
It makes no sense to sign mediocre mercenaries for millions and not play your youth team players who are even better and have real potential for improvement.....if you are waiting for this "22 year old" Ghanaman to get better as he approaches his "peak" you are on a long thing.
Baba IS better than Ake. The issue is that Azpilicueta is better than both at LB and not too good at Right Back. Azpi has chased away Ashley Cole, Betrand, and Filipe Luis. It is madness to believe that he can be displaced that easily.

For Baba to develop he needs proper gametime, that he will not get this season at the club. After Bayern and Dortmund, Schalke has a good argument to claim that they are the next biggest(or at least one of the biggest) teams in Germany. Schalke will not request Baba if he is not good.

If he can establish himself at Schalke this season, then he will be very well developed to either come back and challenge for a spot, or build solid transfer value.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2015/2016 by Nihilist: 10:26am On Aug 01, 2016
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I need A40's cash for alimony payment
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 10:23am On Aug 01, 2016
diggz:
Baba couldn't hold his own... What a gigantic waste of money! Keeping faith in some of this youth guys should be the way forward especially when we are not 100% sure if the quality we are getting is better than what we already have.
Young players develop with game time. Baba is only 22. He needed game time to adapt to the EPL, and he didn't get enough.

Baba has now been loaned to a European regular, that has finished finished in top 4 positions 3 times over the last 4 seasons.

If Baba can cement a first team role at Schalke, then this could be very good for his development, which would be very good for us...either on the pitch or on the bank balance
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 9:36am On Aug 01, 2016
This is just giving a dog a bad name to hang it.

The same Conte that sent Baba away on loan is the same guy that sent Ake away on loan.

Ake went away to go and learn his trade at central midfield. He is not a leftback.

Nathan Ake: "I can play in different positions. I like to get on the ball defensively play hard, with tackles and things like that,"

"I think I am a holding midfielder, when I came to Chelsea I played as a centre back but then was told I was too small. So I changed to left back and then to midfield, I’ve been going around in circles! But last year I played left back, although my preferred position is holding midfield."

Eddie Howe(Bournmouth Manager): "He was used predominantly at left-back by Watford and also played for them at centre-back. His favoured position is as a central midfielder."

Nathan Ake on Conte: "To get an eye on how I cope, I think he[Conte] wants to see me play a season there[Midfield] in the Premier League," Ake said.

"The manager has been in discussions with the technical director (Michael Emenalo) at Chelsea. After this season, we'll see how I get on,


This is what happens when facts direct from the horse's mouth are not allowed to get in the way of a popular narrative.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:10pm On Jul 30, 2016
GBR1:
2 Top coaches infact the best coaches in the world have expressed their interest in this guy and that's something to think about.

I wouldn't be so swift to dismiss him because there's definitively something they've seen that we couldn't. Pep could sign him for city today and in a few years, he could become among the best CBs in the league and the best English CB.
I think it's mostly because there arent too many young English defenders in the EPL today.

Stones wasnt even in the first team for Everton and didn't play at the Euros. Youth + English premium is responsible for the inflated transfer fee
TV/MoviesRe: Game Of Thrones Discussion (Beware Of Spoilers) by Nihilist: 7:19pm On Jul 29, 2016
Gbola5:
Are you saying that the show is canon ?
Clearly not.

So I do not expect the history to be the same as the books
TV/MoviesRe: Game Of Thrones Discussion (Beware Of Spoilers) by Nihilist: 7:12pm On Jul 29, 2016
Gbola5:
Ser Alliser didn't plot to kill Jon in the books;he wasn't at the Wall. Robb was 16 when he died, 283-299AC, 16 is "man grown". I can agree on the show being an alternate universe, but only perhaps, because its seems like an excuse for the writers of the show.
Why are you always in a hurry to correct prople?

It really annoys me when someone quotes me without reading and understanding what I wrote.

I did not say that Alliser was in on the plot to assasinate Snow...

I only said his motivations to kill Jon are different.

Jon's assasination was politically justifiable in thr books. In the show they switched it up completely and then gave the hatred allisers face.

That is exactly what I was pointing out to the Knight of banterbury
TV/MoviesRe: Game Of Thrones Discussion (Beware Of Spoilers) by Nihilist: 6:42pm On Jul 29, 2016
SIRcumalot:
@nihilist
The way I like to see it is,
two different ending to the same story.

age and appearance all fall under artistic difference,
,the age of the stark kids,and dany in the book won't be believable on screen or just turn your viewers off.

Aegeon isn't the only character whose absence affect plot point they're numerous.
instances were character can't be totally absent their storyline is joined with another which I believe is what is happening with young griff
this hasn't change some basic thing,like Jon dying or Tyrion lack of direction after his patricide.

it also helps that I believe that some of the plot point introduced by G.R.R.M are just red herring and going nowhere.
and the rest just won't make for great TV.
Aegon/yoing gruff plot line is extremely important because in the books Varys is backing that kid and not Danaerys.

The removal of that character significantly has an effect on the Varys character, removing the motivation to be a shadow king and replacing it with patriotism

It also means that that scene at the end of season 6 will possibly not have happened because Varys would probably not be negotiating an alliance for Danaerys instead of his own character.

The logical implication of the show proceeding so far ahead and of the books is the assumption that the source material is merely a reference point, rather than canon.
TV/MoviesRe: Game Of Thrones Discussion (Beware Of Spoilers) by Nihilist: 4:44pm On Jul 29, 2016
SIRcumalot:
@nihilist
make the bolded clearer,
but gun to my head I'll say the tower of joy scene.

I understand if you say starting from the six season the plot of the show and the book have both taken different turns.
(even that isn't certain)
but from the 1st season to the 5th their really isn't much difference. what little there is can be explained away as creative problem as some stuff don't translate well from paper to screen.
you could say the same for HP and LoTR.
There are actually several characters missing from the show that would have seen the show take different dimensions - Aegon Targaryen for example, would have a significant effect on both Tyrion and Varys's storylines in the show.

Jon Snow's death as another example, is portrayed completely differently, not just artistically, but in terms of plot as well. Alliser's motivations to murder Jon are based on events that did not happen in the show.

The ages of many of the characters in the show are quite inconsistent with those in the books. Robb stark in not a full grown man when he's killed at the Red Wedding as depicted in the show. He's like 15 or 16.

This goes beyond artistic differences. The show and the books are completely different worlds. They just share some plot points, characters, and mythology but that's it.

The best I can say is that perhaps the show is set an alternate dimension of the book.
TV/MoviesRe: Game Of Thrones Discussion (Beware Of Spoilers) by Nihilist: 3:01pm On Jul 29, 2016
BraniacX:
The pre-show history is essentially the same! The history of the kingdoms and great houses before the show is essentially the same, not sure why you think otherwise
Errm no it is not.

The extant difference between the show and the book is significant enough to have it's own wikipedia page. In case you haven't realised, the show is not actually a dramatisation of the books. Both just happen to share some plot points and characters, which is not surprising as the show is based on the books. But a story can strongly draw from source material yet retain it's separateness in a way that is both familiar and unique. Compare and Contrast Moses vs Sargon of Akkad, Jesus vs Horus, or even Comic Book Avengers vs Movie Avengers.

The only way to prove without doubt that both share the same history is to highlight a scene(s) within the show that provides to a full history of the asoiaf universe that is consistent with what can be found in the books.

I'll save you the trouble now and let you know that such a scene does not exist.
TV/MoviesRe: Game Of Thrones Discussion (Beware Of Spoilers) by Nihilist: 11:04am On Jul 29, 2016
Gbola5:
Not entirely. They still have the same past and history till the start of the series, whether it's shown or not. Also the Vale and Bear Island didn't have a succession crisis.
Errr...No they don't.

The show is significantly different enough to occupy it's own universe
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 10:53am On Jul 29, 2016
The first unusual thing about Stones’ transfer (or, more exactly, the transfer fee) is that Everton are not an elite club and Stones is not yet an elite player. Of the top ten transfer fees in history (€69m+), four involved a superclub buying from another superclub, while five others (Luis Suarez, Gareth Bale, Neymar, Kevin De Bruyne and Gonzalo Higuain) involved players recently named as the best in their respective leagues or continents. The only exception (James Rodriguez) had just won the World Cup Golden Boot.

Stones is different. Not only is he a defensive player (only David Luiz has similarly moved for more than £40m), but he is – even by his own admission – neither at his peak nor in good form. This is a player left on the bench behind Ramiro Funes Mori and Phil Jagielka at the end of last season, and whose only competitive international start at centre-back came against San Marino. Stones has started 68 top-flight matches, and has played 242 minutes of European football.

Nor too could you reasonably say that Stones’ game has improved over the last 12 months. He committed fouls, received yellow cards and missed tackles more often than in 2014/15. In fact, no outfield player in the Premier League made more errors leading to goals last season, hardly the tagline of a £50m man. Roberto Martinez took the blame – and paid the price – for Everton’s defensive uncertainty, but Stones was at least partly culpable. Manchester City are paying an extortionate amount of money for an idea of the player Stones could be.
And Jose wanted to bring this dullard to the club sha..

Stones ko, Okuta ni
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:47pm On Jul 28, 2016
nateevs:
grin grin
Innit? cheesy

The article is almost a composite of 3 to 4 of your posts

Even using the same anecdotes

So Guy Bennett is your 'guy name' on the streets of London
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 4:19pm On Jul 28, 2016
Just found out that Martin Caeceres is available on a free transfer.

Sign him up as a squad player on a 2 year contract. He's still only 29
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 1:40pm On Jul 28, 2016
Are you sure nateevs didn't write that article? grin

I disagree with picking wage ranking as arbitary determinant of team strength because it does not allow for the consideration of the following factors:

1. Opposition Talent could be underpaid. I believe that Xavi at his maximum wage was earning less than Toni Kroos. And we know who the better player is. If you compare the wage packets of the likes of Malouda, Wright Phillips,or Fernando Torres to their counterparts in other teams who were actually better than them, then the flaw becomes immediately apparent.

2. Paying over the odds to attract talent. Imagine a player like Raheem Sterling going for 50m and earning 250k a week. Imagine Pogba signing for 120m and 300k a week. Imagine freaking Torress, Falcao,Cuadrado, etc. Those guys aren't earning their astronimacal wages because they are that good - sometimes football clubs are forced to pay world class sums to get average players. Falcao, Torres,Pato would have all massively increased the wage bill without a comensurate increase in talent.

So I cant agree with that bogus metric.

I agree with many other things he said though. I definitely hold Mourinho personally responsible for our dismal showing last season -
However, like I've always said, it takes a lot more than money to buy success. Mourinho is a fantastic manager regardless of his spending, and I'm sure that he will do well at United.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 1:03pm On Jul 28, 2016
PietroRico:
agreed.
What's also equally or even more shocking is paying a kobo for djibololojiibidigidi
grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 12:41pm On Jul 28, 2016
120m for Pogba is breathtakingly shocking...

And all because he's a big man that does legover
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 6:51am On Jul 28, 2016
[quote author=nateevs post=47953579]It's great to see how this 2-man midfield fares against a PL side. [/quote

Where are you watching the match?]

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