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nateevs:
I think what FBS is tackling is that we are yet to see RLC as a striker. Now that is different from a No 10 Role or CM/DM position. We all agree that there are elements to RLC's game that need work. He can be lethargic, slow and uninspiring sometimes when you see him. This, however, is very different from talent - of which he has in abundance. To play as a CM, there must be the willingness to put oneself about.

I don't suppose he doesn't know this. I actually heard someone say that perhaps his unusually big frame for his age, may be a slight impedance on running about for 90mins.

Now I have seen RLC in the box a few times and one thing I can definitely tell you is that he has very good movement. Then he has the physique to play with big defenders, the technique to play in tight spaces and raw pace to cover ground. What will be left to see is his propensity to convert chances. So if Conte says he has all the attributes to play as a striker or a support striker, I very much agree with him.

If he scores 3 goals against a nobody, it is welcome. All positives are welcome. It doesn't matter that Mikel scored. RLC is 20 years old.

I think that there are actually two issues being discussed here.

1. RLC has the talent and can come good - I cannot really speak for this. I have not seen him at youth level and his performances at EPL left much to be desired.

2. RLC is fantastic behind a striker, look at his last game for proof.

I think that I should stress again that my main discussion today has been on point number 2. I am not impressed even if he scored 10 against those dead Austrian players. He most likely earns more than all of them plus their coach combined.

I like the line that you stressed at the end of your post. RLC is ONLY 20. But so is Dele Alli. Pierre Emille Holjberg is the same age.

It may seem cynical, but the kind of 20 year olds I think we need are the ones who force us to think how mature they are for their age, and not the ones that hide behind their age as their excuse for lack of development.

Compare what people meant last season when they said "He's only 20" about Martial to what you meant about RLC and my point becomes obvious.

Now I understand that the likes of Martial and co have had opportunities to play first team football that RLC might not have had...which is why I want him to go out on loan so badly.

The likes of Ake and Lukaku were the ones who asked to go on loan to develop further. . Jose mentioned his name with the likes of Solanke etc who could be stars of the future. RLC is the only one of that group sat on the bench stagnating.

I'm not suggesting RLC is not as proactive with his career as those other guys. because I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes, but his body language on the pitch regularly seems to portray the image of person wey don bellefull

All I see on the pitch is a lazy looking guy, who I'm told has bags of talent that I've never seen.

Dazall.

Irishrena1:
Hahahahaha you couldn't hide yourself.
My question is this, I've done COMPTIA N+ and I found the networking part too fascinating that I proceeded to hands on knowledge at least to the level of CCNA, I mean I'm doing well on CCNA hands on.
I want to further along the Cisco path so I'm considering skipping CCNA studies to take off with CCNP. Is this a good move?

I personally would advise you to go along the Microsoft route first. Perhaps a windows 8 or 10 cert first, followed by a server 2003 and/or server 2012.

The reason I suggest this route is because a network admin theoretically should have a full view of the entire IT estate.

Changes made at network level can affect the entire business. Decisions like setting replication frequency between domain controllers, or where to place your VPN servers require not just an understanding of networks but how the networks are use, especially when you consider that overall available bandwidth is limited.

A seasoned CCNA should theoretically be able to architect a network solution on demand.

Obviously Nigerian system works slightly different and requires a CCNA for 1st line roles so that's also a factor, but if you have the chance to learn Microsoft stuff first, then please do so...perhaps followed by some vittusliazion vendor(hyper-v is covered by Microsoft training but VMWARE is currently the market leader), THWN look at CCNA and CCNA security.

By this point you would havr had a solid foundation of IT infrastructure from top to bottom. Then you can really make an informed decision as to what sector you want to specialise in.

dreaizy:
bro d only part I disagree with is about the stark name they are like the oldest house in westeros, protect world of men from wildlings and white walkers,built d wall,the night watch, d major reason house targaryean ended I can keep telling you about them but house Tyrrell is a small &

new house not even the Lord's of their end.

Where are the Baratheons? Or the Tyrells? Or the Boltons? Or the Freys

Or even the targaryens? I would argue that the targaryen family line is completely dead otherwise Danaerys would be able to stroll into kings landing and just demand the throne by virtue of her name. But she can't because, really nobody reckons with that family anymore....hence the massive invading army, and her plan to marry some local nobility.

Forget story. Stark is dead. Snow rules now.

Gbola5:
A convenient excuse ? It was clearly because of the 'Ned''s blood flowing in him. They still have respect for the 'Ned'. I don't know what will happen if Bran shows up. He can adopt the Stark name, as he is now King in the North, this has happened so many times in the history of their world. It depends on if he wants to. Even if he's Targaryen, and if his parentage comes out(which i don't see happening), he could still adopt the Stark name, he is King in the North.
But don't you think that they hid their last name, as a result of what might happen to them or because of them, if they didn't ? And not because the name is humiliating ?. The 'Ned''s beheading didn't even have the effect you say it had, it didn't humiliate the Starks. There's still Arya, and Bran, and Benjen; for all the good, if not Jon and Sansa. Therefore how can you say, ' The Starks are gone' ? They just reclaimed the North.

Jon is most definitely not a Stark.

The half-stark thing was just to give some legitimacy to the decision to back Jon. There was a full blooded Stark in the room that day, who was even more responsible for the toppling of the Bolton regime than Jon was and nobody even looked at her twice.

When the warden of the north was alive, Lord Glover actually said it - "The Starks are dead". Verbatim quote

For 5 series Jon has been 'the bastard'. Now that he's in power, is it a surprise that they hail him Stark?

There isn't a single character with the last name Stark that is politically relevant bro. Not a single one.

diggz:
Rlc as a DM is a total waste of time and space however, the few times I saw him play upfront for the senior team he never did badly.

I didn't think he played too badly myself but I wasn't really impressed either. I think he scored against a relegated villa side though.

I think that my chairman FBS is misunderstanding me. All I'm saying is that I'm not impressed if he scores 10 goals against a team who play on a field in the bush (Google it). If even Mikel can score against them, then kini big deal?

I don't really see how that line of thinking clashes with Contes statement.

Gbola5:
My argument was on whether the House name still holds power/means something, and i argue that it does, show or book. It was Jon's Stark blood that got him the support of the Northmen.

Jon's Stark lineage was only a convenient excuse for the Nothern Lords to back the guy who had just conquered the Warden of the North and symbol of Lannister influence. Why didn't they crown Sansa instead? Or you think in Bran rocks up today, the northern houses will back him?

Lyanna points out at the beginning that neither Jon and Sansa are Starks. It is only after she's trying to drum up support for Jon that she plays the trump card. Lord Glover actually said "House Stark is dead". Isn't it convenient that now that the previous equivalent of the King in the north is dead, they remember that he is a half-a-Stark?

Forget that thing. The Starks are gone.

Now about him being a Snow, a new King in the North may decide to keep the Stark name, or choose a different name, as he wishes.

Obviously all his heirs will be Snows not Starks. He cannot keep a name he never had. And this does not even factor in to consideration the actual truth of his parentage. What happens when it comes out that actually, his last name cant even legally be Stark?

That was an example of a member of a still 'powerful' House dying in a humiliating way.

Please don't trivialise this discussion. Whilst the comparison is completely unnecessary, There's a massive difference between dying in private and being beheaded in public. The guy that died on the toilet was not killed with the intent to publicly humiliate, and he was given a full state burial. Compare to the guy who had his head chopped off in a public square, and then had said head left to rot openly on a spike. The last two Starks left have spent the last 2 seasons hiding their name from public knowledge. If that doesn't spell it out for you, then let's leave it there.

The show has different meanings to different people,and is open to interpretation.

FBS:
I assume that the 'we' na you and Baba Suwe?

Anyways as I said earlier, you are not Conte and never will be. EOD.

I'm not particularly sure where I suggested that I was Conte.


Isn't it a bit to early to be drunk?

Because you are quoting me but seem to be responding to someone else.

FBS:
I assume that the 'we' na you and Baba Suwe?

Anyways as I said earlier, you are not Conte and never will be. EOD.

I'm not particularly sure where I suggested that I was Conte.

Isn't it a bit to early to be drunk?

linearity:
Sorry, I was in a little bit of a haste and was typing from my phone...The highlighted portions above are want drawn my attention.

All vendors adhere to the same IETF and RFC standards, Cisco's implementation of BGP or OSPF or MPLS is not different from Juniper's implementation and Cisco does not have proprietary to IPsec, GRE, QinQ, etc; all these are all industry standard protocols that must run seamlessly across all vendor equipment and as such, if I can configure an inter-domain routing or MPLS using a Cisco devices, give me a Juniper device and I can do the exact same thing, the difference is really some thing like, you able to work on MS words on a PC and now you have a Mac in front of you, Yes, the look and how it displays things are different, but when you get down to it, MS word works the same way on PC, Mac, etc...TCP/IP that is the core of networking the same, different vendors just wrap it differently. If you are an expert in Cisco, you will just be fine configuring other vendor devices, I know this from experience.

Secondly, because license requirements and the expense, most companies have started moving away from MS Microsoft; everything you can do on a microsoft server or desktop can be done freely on an open source alternative, cutting done drastically on company's OPEX. The days when Microsoft use to dominate are gradually coming to end and they are now mostly seen on the desktop end of things.

Networks are evolving these days, read more on Open stack, SDN, NFV, SON, etc, they are becoming dynamic, gone are the days; where I configure a Router and it is set.

The concept of a window server as a Router should not even come into this conversation. We all did that in our labs as proof of concepts...but the truth is, the name Router is no longer was it use to be. Before now, we confined their functions to only be Routing (path selection) and forwarding (packet forwarding), which is essentially an OSI layer-3 function, but todays routes now operates at all seven OSI layers plus, they now do security, Intruction detection/prevention and a host of more.

There's nothing you said up there that invalidates a single word of my original post.

Indeed, the reference I made to configuring an MS server as a router already implies that most routing protocols are universally applied across all vendors.

My point, if you had taken the time to fully comprehend my original post, was that certifications are vendor specific, and that it would be better to initially certify with a vendor who has a massive presence across every sector of IT be it infrastructure, desktop or programming.

A Cisco cert shows that the owner knows cisco stuff. It is not a cert that proves the owner has a holistic understanding of the OSI model and what fits where. CCNA for example mainly focuses on L2/L3 config. It is not reasonable to expect a BMW mechanic to be able fix a Benz simply because both share an engine.



I will reiterate, you may turn up to a to a company that doesn't use Cisco hardware (like my current place of employment) but most places will definitely have need for someone who understands a windows product. That is just a fact.

A lot of the emerging tech you mentioned up there is only relevant to WAN implementations. It's highly unlikely that a Base station or datacentre, will employ an inexperienced rookie with a CCNA to manage their networks anyway, so most of the stuff you mentioned is actually irrelevant, especially when you consider that those concepts apply at architectural level.

Ive worked in the UK for a couple of years in support and project implementation roles and the rate of business change is slow. Many businesses only migrated from win xp to win 7 circa 2012/2013, and most are only just beginning to adopt win 10.

The basic infrastructure setup of a windows dhcp server farm+windows dns+active directory is not going away anytime soon. The complex routing stuff is outsourced to the datacentre which are usually run by a small team.

So it's extremely likely that his first job in IT won't be dealing directly with networking.

So I will finish this with my closing statement from my original post. I advise to guy to get an MS cert first and then after a year in his job, he should reassess.

FBS:
Internet is your friend. You can find one.

Na you talk am say Chelsea backroom staff must know the supertalents in the squad, abi beko?

Now RLC is in the first team and Conte says he sees him as a striker or as a support striker. Do you mean to say you know more than the backroom staff and Conte combined together ni?

How do you judge a player from the Youth setup? By asking Mr Nihilist or Baba Suwe?

PS; I still dey wait for the posts wey you say you wan bring out oo.

I'm sure what you believe you've written a very witty response.

All I am saying is that is one thing to shine in youth sides and against div 4 austrian teams with no stadium.

It's another thing to shine at EPL level. And if you use that nairaland search bar at the top of you screen to search for 'RLC', you will see what we all thought when he played at the business end.

You came here to crow in vindication that RLC shined against some wack austrian side. Allow me to remind you that Mikel Obi scored against them.

Gbola5:
The argument was that the family name didn't mean much, in or out of the North, and i disagree.

If you base it on the show, the Starks as a powerful family are done. The Stark name is done. The main pillars of the family have been either publicly executed or sent into exile. They have no political clout, and the King in the North is not a Stark either in name...or in blood.

I don't understand how this is so difficult to understand.

Any more humiliating than dying in a privy ?

What does this have to do with anything?

FBS:
How many times? 3/5 times?

Oh Please do. I thought he was one slow and lazy ee.diot especially as a DM and I remember clearly saying "To whom much is given...."

Thereafter I watched his matches with the Youth Team and I tell you he seems a completely different player.

Anything else?

Here we go again.

I wish we had a eye rolling emoji on this board.

FBS:
Good you are not Conte and never will be

PS; take an hour of your time to watch some of his game.

I watched him in the league...not against an austrian team with no stadium.

Would you like me to bring out comments on this thread from some of those days?

I maybe wrong, but I kinda remember RLC playing in exactly that #10 position a few times under Guus last season and was completely underwhelming.

Consider me unimpressed that RLC looked good against a club that doesn't even have a wikipedia page. Mikel scored against them too. I'm not optimistic about his chances either.

linearity:
Not true, the difference between those vendors is just their syntax...If you good with working with Cisco devices, you will be able to configure any of the other vendors appliances.

Here in the US and at the expert level, people don't care....Juniper look for an expert can turn to a Cisco CCIE holder and hire him immediately if he/she meets the other criteria they are looking for over the guy with JNCIE....Cisco, Tellabs, Ericsson, Nokia, etc can also do the same.

I would be very grateful if you could point out what part of my post is NOT TRUE.

There are too many networking vendors out there today - Cisco, Palo Alto, Juniper for example which makes commiting to a Cisco cert not as attractive as it used to be.

Microsoft on the other hand are thr global leaders in the desktop and server field.

Simply put, you might apply to a company who don't use Cisco hardware, but you can be sure that they have Microsoft products.

With this in mind, I would recommend starting of with an MCP/MCITP. Windows servers can actually be configured to serve as routers so you might find that a Microsoft cert is sufficient for your needs in thr early stages of your career.

CCNA is really meant for system admins who already have exposure to IT infrastructure. Network configurations tend to stay the same once configured so dedicated network engineers are usually only needed at data centres and colos.

Start with Microsoft. Reassess after a year in your 1st job. That's my advice.

Speaking to reporters from his hospital bed after he was shot, Mr Kinsey told WSVN TV: “I’m going to the ground, just like this with my hands up. And I’m laying down here just like this. And I’m telling him again, ‘Sir, there’s no need for firearms. I’m unarmed, this is an autistic guy. He has a toy truck in his hand.’”

“When he shot me, it was so surprising. It was like a mosquito bite. And when he hit me, I’m like, I still got my hands in the air. I said, ‘You know, I just got shot.’ And I’m saying to them, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ And his words to me, he said, ‘I don’t know.’”

I don't know why I shot you

See yarns

A40:
These mistakes are too expensive and explain why cops are despised the world over. The stakes are too high for the sheer carelessness these guys display.

Each race has a right to protest for any unjust killing. However we know the ratio of blacks that get killed compared to other races so if black voices are the loudest then it is not coincidental.

Shey you heard what the Minnesota Governor said

I'm curious as to what brought about panic from an unarmed black man lying on the ground with his hands up? What do I have to do as a black man to not get shot if I'm stopped by the police since my cooperation is no longer a guarantee. Charles was fortunate to survive and asked the askari why he was shot. Officer said "I don't know"

This kind of unprofessionalism and cluelessness is unacceptable. If you are scared to do the job why not resign and go and find another job to do instead of sending families into grief

The annoying thing about this particular case is that the police claimed that they mistook the toy truck for a gun.

The police ordered both the autistic white man and his black carer to lie down.

The black guy lies down with his hands up explaining the situation.

The white guy refuses to lie down and continues to sit up.

The black guy gets shot because thr toy truck looked like a gun.

It was the white guy that was playing with the truck.

Gbola5:
You're referencing things happened to them. I assure you that the Stark name hasn't been tainted. It's quite the opposite actually. It was; Joffrey whose name was ridiculed for giving the commands; The Freys for killing and mutillating guests under their roof, after giving bread and salt; the Ironborn for trying to hold a region whose ways were different; the Boltons for committing treason. King's Landing couldn't protest if a Castle in the realm was captured in the midst of war, plus they had Blackwater to deal with during this. The title of Warden of the North was stripped because the Starks had lost the war, with no known living member(or the North would have rallied); Besides the Boltons were holding the North for a time as Tyrion could get a child from Sansa; and bookwise, they had to create a fake Arya to cement their hold of the North, showwise they had to make Sansa fill that role. The parts about marrying to be constantly raped, or the North not responding, gods know where the writers got that from.

I am referencing things that were deliberately DONE to them within the context of the show. All the Starks tgat have been killed have executed publicly in thr most humiliating ways possible.

The ones that are alive have been treated with extreme disdain also in public.

I interpret that as ridicule. Fair enough if you see it differently .

diggz:
Blocked by José when he had Lord fernandud,drogba and co. to contend with!

Ok...issorite...!

Lukaku cost more than Eto'o and Drogba combined. On price tag value alone, he had grounds to demand to start. Jose clearly didn't rate Etoo sef given his old age comments.

When a club signs a player for up to 17m and put him on the bench, you know that the manager is making a statement.

When you go out on loan twice scoring almost 40 league goals in 2 seasons, yet your manager goes to sign Costa, then you know that your manager is making a statement.

Jose was the one that deliberately blocked Lukaku especially after that SuperCup game.That's just the fact of the matter.

diggz:
Are you deliberately typing the way you are on purpose?
So according to you, you knew kante and mahrez were going to be top players before the season started,right? You must be nastradamus then bruv!
Please, PVA and Bertrand were just names I mentioned and they do not justify why the club have done a terrible job at handling the younger players! By the way you exaggerate badly calling Bertrand mediocre. He may not be a world class talent however he is definitely not mediocre. And, stop using the shitty England selection of national team players to justify your point bros.
What is actually happening here Nihilist? Why do you want to compare like for likes when I clearly stated, each of barca, Madrid and Bayern must have or have had their fair share of PVA and bertrand kind of players?
The point here is not if Bertrand or PVA are world class or great talents rather its about giving youths a chance and not steeewpidly spending cash to buy worse players than them, when we can make do with what we have.
You can be happy all you want about PVA and Bertrand getting kicked out however, the discourse has always been about the way the younger players have being handled so far. Not about PVA and Bertrand bros. Meanwhile, you can take a vote btw pva/bertrand and baba to see who most CFC fans will rather have in this presently squad.
Anyways, what is obvious here is that, you won't try to see things differently. So I see were you coming from but, I do not support it.
I rest my case bro.

PvA and Bertrand are super mediocre. I don't believe that they are good examples.

The Southampton model is simple. They buy largely untested entities, train them up and sell them for a profit. That includes mangerial staff sef. If you're still at Southampton, you're probably not good enough.

I never said Kante and Mahrez would be superstars. I never knew. So they went to Leicester to prove what they could do.

I think that you have a point regarding spending. Lukaku's departure for Costa was a big mistake. KDB arguably also has a case...

Who else?

Baba is 22 years old and still has plenty of scope for growth and improvement . PvA and Bertrand are both 26 and have never shown the potential to upstage Azpi who is the same age as them.

So we should have kept those guys to play understudy to their age mate?

Which other youngsters have we treated badly? I've quoted two youth team members who said that they were training with the 1st team. So why are managers seeing these youth in training sessions and not picking them? Can you answer that?

SIRcumalot:
He fly's the stark banner.
And to paraphrase one of those Northern's lord,to them Ned's blood (we know better they don't)flows in his veins.

those Northern lord never followed Sansa I doubt they would follow Bran.
Both the southern army and the Northern army have been fighting prior to the red wedding.
And the North was winning the war.
So the losses are on both sides.
Not all the northern army cross the twins for the wedding ceremony.
The defection of the tyrells that supplied Men,food and money to the Lannister's can't be easily replaced.
Plus the finest military mind in the south that survived cersei's madness is Ser Jamie.

The Matriarch of the Tyrrell's stated that she is in this for revenge now.
Plus,she has no suitable offspring to marry off at least in the show.

This is running longer than I intended but this is just how I think it will go down.
Danys wins in the south and just as she is about to fight the North the whole kingdom faces the real threat of the walkers
A marriage alliance is proposed.

Oh am familiar All right,but this is still fiction and Jon is the hero. He already cheated death.

Ultimately,I hope am wrong cause I do like to be surprised.

I think that GoT has shown us that there are no black and white characters.

What does Dorne get out of this? Varys? I don't believe that the Tyrells are just going to rollover when all the biz is done.

Just wait and see how it plays out.

Gbola5:
The Stark name isn't ridiculed. They're one of the oldest houses. Sansa wouldn't be an option for marriage if the name was riduculed. And they aren't broke. They have no debts.
The North has few men, the Lannisters have fewer. Only the Vale and Dorne still have their armies intact. And Dorne's army isn't that impressive. Note- This doesn't excuse Jon being a poor consort for Dany.

Ed Stark had his head chopped off and left to rot on a pole in public. His daughter's betrothal to the king was cancelled in humiliating fashion then she was married off to her father's enemy to be constantly rapped. His son was killed, his head chopped off, and his dog's head was sewn on to his shoulders and the corpse paraded in the streets. The Stark castle was captured twice with no protest from Kings landing. Even worse, the title of Warden of the North was stripped from the starks and given to their enemies. At the time to raise an Army to reclaim their castle, none of the main houses would answer their call....And after everything that happened, the Nothern Lords are now sworn to a guy who isn't even a Stark

That name has been ridiculed beyond shame sef.

raumdeuter:
Carvajal had to go to Leverkusen, Casemiro had to go to Porto, Pique went to Man Utd, Alba went to Valencia but all came back because the team has a solid plan in place.

Barcelona just sold Halilovic to Hamburg with a firm buy back, Madrid sold Morata with a buyback

Point exactly.

Go and get the experience, then come back. Pique and Alba were actually released by Barca sef. They had to go and make their name elsewhere first.

Dazall I'm saying.

Why are these top clubs having more success with their youth players than Chelsea? Either there is a big problem with the team planning or with the recruitment in the first place that thought previous first teamers at other clubs like Salah, Victor Moses, Marko Marin, Cuadrado, Christian Atsu should just be sent on loans all over the globe

If Moses is struggling to get games at West Ham and Liverpool....logic dictates that hes probably not what we want. Same goes for them lot up there. It's not like those are academy products anyway

raumdeuter:
WHy you nokuku go Afghanistan and pick IED with bare hand? So na only nihilist and diggz go dey fit to marry young wife in their 70's

That was a looooong time ago. My legs dey kanmpe

raumdeuter:
Talent wise, Is Lukaku much different from Zouma?

If Zouma had grown up in Chelsea he would have faced the unmovable Terry Cahill, Ivanovic and Luiz at their peaks and would have probably gone on different loans and end up like Lukaku

Of Course Lukaku has a higher profile now than Zouma...are you kidding?

Lukaku wan't blocked by talent...he was blocked by Jose.

Don't trivialise the debate by suggesting that the mistake made with Lukaku was made with everyone else.

raumdeuter:
Is the pressure more than those in Madrid or Barcelona. Yet Casemiro, Carvajal, Alba, Pique Busquets Iniesta have made it into the first team while still doing well in the CL

Moreover if this pressure is the reason and condition wont change then whats the purpose of running and acquiring hundreds of youth players incurring expenses on them and having nothing to show for it in another 10yrs

Yes because all those guys have the same talent level as John Swift and Ryan Bertrand...and none of them had to go and look for first team opportunities elsewhere first...

raumdeuter:
Hey guys please take it easy if you need to work out to be fit, Just walk briskly or cycle These injuries you are piling up especially bone injuries now, In the next 20-30yrs they would comeback to hurt.

When Nihilist and FBS in their 70s are just marrying new 25yrs olds and going for geriatrics Olympics you dont want to be in wheelchair or battling arthritis and just watching their sextapes you want to be participating

Lol my own injury was worse than these guys own.

I had multiple fractures on both legs, broken ribs and broken Pelvis from a car accident. I was bedridden for 6 months with pins in both legs. Physio work and exercise took another 2 years.

I was lucky because I had private health insurance sef.

raumdeuter:
Is Lukaku much different from Zouma? Yet Lukaku is elsewhere. Zouma growing up in a Chelsea thats set on John Terry and co
Zouma would have like others before him sat in the youth team for ages later go out on different loans and probably just stick to his new people/club like Bertrand and Lukaku

I actually don't understand this question.

nateevs:
Away from the Injury topics. Thank you very much FBS.

There is the psychological element to being footballer. For all we know, Zouma may be riding on this - someone showing belief in him and then giving him chance at the right age. It's easy to say Zouma is clearly better than anything we got but someone dared to give him this chance. Plus someone dared to overlook the mistakes he made at an early age. Unless ofcourse we are saying he walked straight into the first team and never made errors.

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“And there is so much pressure on the club to be high in the league and do well in the Champions League. They have high expectations for every single game they go into. So it is difficult for the manager to put young players in." - John Swift, Chelsea Youth Player 2015/2016

SIRcumalot:
the stark name doesn't have to mean much outside the North but the Stark's are the north.
they have been in the north way before the targs even came to westeros

Jon isn't a Stark as you well know. The lords of Northern houses have declared to fight for Jon Snow not Jon Stark. If Bran Stark comes back tomorrow and declares an ambition to the Stark holdings, then theoretically Jon has very little Locus Standi.

That isn't even the point I was trying to raise sef. The Stark name is widely ridiculed or held in contempt outside the north if the show is anything to go by. Foreign invaders will often marry into the local aristocracy to blend in,and to gain acceptance and/or legitimacy for their rule from the conquered population. Jon currently has neither the required family name nor the political clout outside the north to make him an attractive marriage proposition. Even in the north, it remains to be seen how much loyalty he currently commands, and I have a strong suspicion that a power tussle between himself and Sansa could be in the offing.

Legitimacy won't be an issue she has the name and the army.
Also the tyrell, Martell's and Stark's all hate the Lannisters.

That's actually not enough, and I think that relationships at play are far more complex than the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I really dont think the Tyrells for example, will be willing to commit to Danaerys's rule just for revenge. They have been married into royalty on 3 occasions so I wonder what they would want in return for their assistance.
If the conversation with Yara is anything to go by, we might be looking at a Balkanization of Westeros, and Danaerys may find her kingdom far smaller than she imagined.

The north as it is now is stronger than the south which is why I think dany's rolls through the south easily,
the army's of the vale may even decide to fight for the stark like they just did again.

The north actually have relatively few men left after Robb's disastrous expedition and only the Knights of the Vale appear to have a full strength army. With littlefinger harbouring title ambitions of his own, it remains to be seen what camps the Knights of the Vale will eventually declare for.
The Southern Armies by contrast seem to be largely intact by virtue of avoiding combat using the Red Wedding. Though it has to be said, those dragons provide a massive tactical advantage to Danaerys.

Not to rehash old issues but you really don't care much for Jon.

Lol You Too?
I would have thought that you would be more familiar with my writing style and thought processes.
Well this has nothing to do with that. I'm just saying.

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This is were you got it all wrong! Dunno if you skipped were I mentioned they weren't world class but could be relied on to do a decent job? By the way, talent alone has never cut it and it won't start today.

PvA and Bertrand are completely unremarkable footballers so I'm not fussed that they were kicked out of the club. The road to football glory is littrered with broken dreams and substandard talent. They have found their levels in midtable and the relegation zone. Let them lie there.

If I may ask you, how many talent did Leicester parade before winning the league or Portugal before winning the euros? Or Didn't fergie and ManU win several titles parading the likes of brown and O'Shea?

Wes Brown and Oshea at their peak are still better than PvA. Heck, up until May, they were actually even playing with PvA in the same team!

Leicester has/had significant talent. We just signed on of their players for 30m. Arsenal went in for Vardy. Mahrez reportedly has a 45m price tag.

To narrow it down to specific positions, Christian Fuchs is one of the most capped players from Austria and is a Champions league regular. He is better than both PvA and Bertrand

I am even surprised you are bringing Gibbs of all people into this! I am not here to claim or declare this guys as exceptional talents, Far from it. I am only trying to point you towards a different direction(if possible) which is, we should not be quick to write off this young guys!

Nobody is writing them off(PvA or Bertrand), but we must also hold realistic expectations for some of these players. The club invests so much time and money into raising these players, and want them to succeed far more than you and I do..but sometimes the players are just not good enough.

It is even totally atrocious to loan or sell your youth players,just to go out there to buy or loan useless players as replacements.

Lastly, it is almost a dream to have a perfect super talented full team squad. Kindly do well to check,even the barca,Madrid and Bayern of this world, have had and still do have players not better than the guys you have singlehandedly written off!

The left backs at Barca Madrid and Bayern are all better than Bertrand or PvA. Alaba is younger than them. Alba is around the same age. Marcelo is older. They are all better than Bertrand or PVA.

I have zero regret that those two were kicked out. They are simply not good enough.