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nateevs:
For the simple reason of financial interest from a move, agents will say anything. That's where you need more than just mere quotes to prove this. You know how many agents have claimed their players are being wanted by XYZ just to start a bidding war?

This is our point. . . These same guys claiming Juve are interested also claim Guardiola and Wenger inquired. However, anyone who has watched Guardiola's and Wenger's football for two minutes will think naaaah! That cannot be true. So there's a question of credibility in these claims. Whether Skysports, ESPN or whatever relays the story is not the point. The point remains, that the 'source' is questionable.

Meanwhile, if you are not saying what DiMarzio said must be true, what are you saying then?

I said Di Marzio is a credible source.

Credibility is does not imply that something is definitely true. It is a measure of how likely a thing is to be true.

There's a reason why some of us read the guardian and not the sun, and the punch instead of Linda ikejji..and that is credibility.

If you know you can't trust even what the agents say, then why were you asking to see the Bayerns and Juves of this world try to sign Lukaku?

Where you hoping to see letterheaded paper?

You're yarning for the sake of yarning. That much is pretty clear.

raumdeuter:
After this life history of DiMarzio, Can you share a link that links Lukaku with a City transfer in the past 30days?

Not saying you are lying but I would be shocked Pep wants that Jambody striker

It you tell me something about your wife, I would be stupid to ask for newspaper link as proof while ignoring your opinion.

Di Marzio is the most credible source on Pogba for example, due to his closeness to Mino Raiola, hence several 'respectable sources have been quoting DiMarzio on the issue including espn, the independent, the guardian, and of course skysports.

So if you're looking for a credible source in the intentionally opaque world of transfer dealings, especially as it pertains to Mino Raiola , it doesn't get more credible than GDM

nateevs:
Raiola said it. So it must be true. That's your mantra here. But Raiola was saying that Juve were interested in Lukaku in summer 2014? Abi no be wetin you dey post here be dis?

Summer 2014 Lukaku was still a Chelsea player. Everton signed him on the last day in July for what .....£28m ? So what Juve could not afford £28m for one player? Is there something else you want us to know about what Raiola is saying?

Unless this is not about Lukaku.


On the subject, you are just being playful. No one is claiming to be in the know. You are the one going to the end of the world just to prove big clubs are interested in Lukaku. Except what you are telling me is no better than Guillem Balague claiming to be in the know as well. When these yeye quotes are subjected to little analysis, they fall apart.

You are cutting quotes off the internet and pasting here and I am supposed to swallow that? Showing me pictures of grown men fighting over a mic? So what? What do you want me to say? Oh! that sh1t about Lukaku must be true. Watch that fella grab the mic.

Lukaku remains at Everton despite all the pictures and no amount of bullshiting at the moment proves otherwise. If we don't see a concrete bid from a big club for Lukaku, everything you are pasting is as good as thin air and no one of them has ever been interested.

I honestly think that you don't know what is worrying you.

I never said anything that dimarzio said must be true.

In case you have forgotten, this was your original comment:

The numbers don't lie but we don't see the Bayerns, Barcelonas, Juves, Madrids trying to sign lukaku. Dem no sabi count?

Now I have given you the word of both a respected sky journalist and Lukaku's agent himself telling you that Juve , Arsenal aND Chelsea actually know who he is and are actually making bids for him.

So what else did you want to see as proof that Juve tried to sign Lukaku if the word of even own Lukaku's agent is not enough?

Are you saying the only acceptable proof that a club tried to sign a player is an actual succesful transfer?

We must not have tried to sign Pogba then, or Naingollan

We're you expecting Nihilist to get one of the Agnelli's to come and post on Nairaland?

You better try and figure out what is worrying you, and stop yarning for yarnings sake - you're not a piece of string

This was Raiola himself in April 2015

“Juventus was interested in him last summer but I want to be clear: I don’t think one of the Italian teams can pay that amount of money for one player. It’s almost impossible. We have never said he would leave at the end of this season.

Maybe he too doesn't know what he's talking about, abi nateevs?

You are the one who is clearly in the know with Lukaku.

You asked for report, I gave you report, now you're typing epistles to debunk.

You mean this agent is happy enough to discuss all of his clients with DiMarzio as far back as 2012 but GDM doesn't know what he's talking about?

Mino Raiola has also workEd with GDM's father who was the chief foreign scout for Juve between 2001 and 2006, but GDM doesn't know what he's talking about?

Meanwhile Nateevs on nairaland is tbe one that actually knows whats up?

You better go and sleep...save your epistle for Sunday school.

nateevs:
So what? Arturo Vidal's technique is in the same phase as Lukaku's? Seriously? Either I don't know what technique means or you haven't seen Lukaku play football. I will give you my right arm if Guardiola watches Lukaku as a footballer, let alone wanting to sign him.

Forget this story abeg. DiMarzio wetin? So there are no English journalists ITK, close to Everton, that can report the same story on this side of the Channel abi? Only DiMarzio knows all deals. The only thing that resembles the truth in all DiMarzio said is that Chelsea may have asked Everton for Lukaku. Even that I dey doubt am because no reputable source is carrying it yet. Even the Telegraph is saying according to "Daily Mail"

Meanwhile, it's recorded that Chelsea has already had two bids rejected for Morata.



So Arsenal with Wenger also asked about Lukaku. Arsene Wenger? Seriously?
And Juve inquired about Lukaku but left him alone to go sign a 29-year-old for £75m.

DiMarzio ko Romario ni.

Oga park well. Vidal is atrocious at passing and is not a typical Pep signing, yet Pep signed him.

Nateevs this a picture of raiola confident enough to seize Dimarzio's microphone

Show me another journalist that has this kind of relationship with a super agent.

I laugh in Congolese.

nateevs:
Hmmm. DiMarzio knows!

So mean to say ManCity with Guardiola - the almighty proponent of tippy-tappy football - inquired about Lukaku.
Belgian laugh from my mouth.

That's all I need to know that at least one of those stories na complete hogwash.

Why ask if you were going to disbelieve anyway?
As if the same Pep did not sign artiro Vidal.

Oga park well and on ya inner light.

GDM is as ITK as possible when it comes to Raiola and Juventus. His Dad actually brought CR7 to Juve begore manyoo swooped. when GDM calls it, you better believe it.

nateevs:
Me I no dey the argument bros. I am sure I stated categorically that I wasn't making a preference. I only went a little further in stating that at this moment in time in history, no title winning Manager will take Lukaku ahead of Costa and that's just a simple fact.

Still in the realm of a "little further", talking about Lukaku benching £60m worth of talent is inconsequential. It's not as though this point is stored in a members-only database.

Perhaps I am wrong. Maybe it is locked down in a data centre somewhere on earth with strictly, members-only access. Cos me I am curious as to why there is this much opinion of Lukaku on here yet Bayern, Barcelona, Real, Juve, PSG, Man City, United, Arsenal, Liverpool seem not to know about this 23-year-old goal scoring machine who is not playing in the CL. Shit! They've all hired clowns.

Well it depends on who you consider a title winning manager
Gianluca DiMarzio is a sky Italia journalist and acclaimed expert on Italian football. He has a close relationship with Mino Raiola who happens to be Lukaku's agent. Di Marzio's dad is a famous agent as well who has worked for Juventus and was responsible for bringing Maradona to Napoli.

Long story short - When DiMarzio talks, he talks from an insiders POV.

And DiMarzio says that Everton have rejected a 50m bid from us for Lukaku only last week He also notes that Juventus, Arsenal and Man City have inquired about Lukaku recently.

You were not wrong - this data is actually members only, and I regret to inform you that you are not a member.

SailorXY:
nah na you dey fart without regard for public health.
You just claimed its not fair judging Lukaku's failure in Chelshit city he featured from the wings & still went ahead to pull up stat comparison with a certain winger Martial.

So where do you stand?
Only guys who don't recognize talent take stats as they see it.

Below is a comparison of the Ikedia & Martial last season. Make of it what you wish yet Lucifer knows comparing them @ all is a blasphemy.

Martial had a better season than Hazard, no question.

If he is continously better in the seasons to come, then you may have a point.

But Hazard has been better than Martial his whole life, and Hazards worst season in professional football before 2015/2016 was better than Martial last season - and this was Martial's best season.

You can't piggy back on that to claim Martial has more talent than Lukaku either - Lukaku has also been better than Martial his whole life.

We are talking confirmed shirt holder here nigga...not Amii winehouse

timbros:
Nihilist God bless you for reminding me of Squawka player comparison. I totally forgot it.

Now this is Euro 2016, a competition both Lukaku and Morata featured and led their respective NT as the primary no9.

Check the minutes played, number of matches played and the stats.

Please who is better?

Diggz I need your imput.

Timbros you can't be serious.

You must be trolling.

You can't be seriously suggesting that we ignore their performance over the last two seasons and instead judge them on their last 4 hours of football...

I will just pretend I didn't read that...

SailorXY:
If you are talking about national team nothing can be concluded from it.
Benzema won the UCL playing CF he wasn't even selected.
Hazard on the back of a piss & shiit season still form No. 10 for Belgium.

Perhaps you can show us the average ratings of Hazard vs Martial since they played same position.

Lukaku in all his glory is in the market no club with ambition send am. Like some asked you does it mean the scouts cannot count? That is to show he's mediocre @ best . Even Rashford will not last 2 weeks in the market.

You are just throwing sheet everywhere looking for where it would stick.

Lukaku shat on Martial in every ramification last season.

Take that to your dj and tell him to make an audio note for you.

SailorXY:
Hahaha so Martial is not a certified member of his squad?

Is he?

He's definitely a benchwarmer for france. He was picking splinters out his bum while Lukaku was starting for his team and scoring 3 goals at the Euros

And they've taken his shirt number from him now sef.

AM9 is now AM11...the ultimate emasculation.

From Anthony to Amy

Anyway take this, mon amii...

*sips cornbeef juice*

SailorXY:
Giroud & Lukaku belong in the same grade. Real men who can't be play for real teams in their prime.

Raumdeuter description of Yay Yay Okoya comes to mind

*re-connects beatz into iPad*

True.

That's why they both certified first team members of their respective squads while AM9 is wondering whether to start a tribal Mark branding company.

Lol That guy is clearly a gigolo of some kind...

SailorXY:
Are you saying Martial playing everywhere in attack shats on Lukaku who only manages to feel like boss playing CF for mediocre teams?

Martial is not better than Giroud.

We're talking real men here not u-21 kids.

Don Gorgon, this was was originally posted almost 2 years ago to the day.

Nihilist:
Daftness...Daftness everywhere...



Last season Lukaku scored against Liverpool, Arsenal and Mancity.
The only club in the Top 4 last season that didnt chop it was the one Lukaku was ineligible to face.
How is Torres better in this regard? Daft statement Number 1

Last Season he scored 25 goals and 7 assists in all comps including vs Leicester, City, Chelsea and Liverpool.

mehn, how is this even a discussion?

Dongorgon5:
Everton vs westham(last season),lukaku stupidity cost his team 3 points in that match, Wasted many chance, missed another penalty.He also missed another one against man utd in fa cup semifinal. Another one against neuer too.
He is not even a big game player like Drogba.
I like the way morata play his football,his movement,dribbling technique,close control,hold-up play,ability to play from the wings.
Morata is like torres in his prime,morata in his prime will be unstopable.

Except Torres in his prime actually knew where the net was.

Morata is actually a white Welbeck without a fancy haircut.

diggz:


Wahala dey o!!!

Please can anyone provide us updates on Oscar and Mikel sale....?

Oscar aint going nowhere. I doubt that Mikel is too.

Mikel isnt even interested in first team football - he just wants a nice pillow for his spot on the bench. Conte sees an experienced pro happy to play backup rather than an untested youth so he's probably happy too.

The only person who isnt pleased with this arrangement knows himself

timbros:
Oh really! Wingers don't score. They only assist. No wonder Hazard, Willian, Schurrle, Pedro, Salah, Joe Cole, Robben, Duff and all other winger we have/had cannot score! They only assist Costa, Drogba and other no9s.

I'm interested why you guys dodge the Sturridge comparison. Isn't Sturridge a striker? Wasn't he a part time winger too in Chelsea? Didn't he score? Is his case different from Lukaku's?

And stop sounding ridiculous in this your goalkeeper comparisons. How many goals did Ceni score from open play? Strikers can even make saves (a goalkeeper's primary job) from open play but can the reverse be said of a 'keeper?

Just stop that comparison. It's starting to sound childish.

I can see that Ibime has given you the right answer.

Again, if you give Courtois the number 9 Jersey today and play him upfront, will you call him a rubbish keeper when he fails to score?

Afterall Petr Cech also used to play as a striker and scored...

When you look at it this way, you will realise how ridiculous your statement sounds.

You're saying Lukaku is a rubbish striker because he did not score from the wing.. when compared Sturridge who is a striker and scored from the wing.

timBROS - respect that last part of your name na?

timbros:
You know, this your sarcasm is TOTALLY uncalled for and way way off the debate on ground.

All outfield players are expected to score once in a while, especially attacking players. Same cannot be said for goalkeepers.

A 'keeper can play for a club for 20 seasons with 0 goals and no one will even notice but is that the same with an attacking player?

I don't see how Courtois come into this discussion.

It's ridiculous to argue that playing a player out of position should not affect his performance.

Like Ibime pointed out, 130 minutes on the wing spread out across 10 appearances is hardly grounds to criticise Lukaku's lack of goals for Chelsea.

Wingers are mainly about transition play and assists, not goalscoring. If you argue that Lukaku should have scored from the wing because all outfield players can score once in a while, then why can't I expect Cortouis to score once in a while when the likes of Rodrigo Ceni have scored 100+ career goals as keepers, and Chilavert used to take freekicks.

Judge Lukaku as a striker and not a part time winger, and you will see that the boy is a very very good striker.

timbros:
Lol. ..

It was Ibime making excuse for him that he never played the no9 position for Chelsea that's why he didn't score. So I ask, must he play from the centre before he score? Can't he drift in from that flank he is being played and score?

Not playing as no9 is no reason why almighty Lukaku won't register a goal for Chelsea.

Exactly.

Not playing as no 9 is no reason why almight Lukaku wont register a couple of saves and or cleansheets for Chelsea.

I'm a bit annoyed now that Cortouis hasn't drifted into the opposition penalty box and scored for us either. Useless Thibault.

Greatihex:
okay sir. But sir, i would like to know how many matches loic remy and Bertrand traore started for Chelsea before they started scoring or how many matches batshuayi started for Belgium before he started scoring or doing the basic movements required of a striker.

You know this statement is patently dumb though...

Are you suggesting that those 2 are better than Lukaku because they scored for Chelsea?

You sure say your head dey correct so?

timbros:
Lol. ..

I don't really get you bro.

You're asking why Lukaku must play number 9 before he scores

Why don't we even put a number 1 shirt on him and play him in goal?

nateevs:
If I could make a choice, none of them.

Morata is not a striker.
Lukaku will make my blood boil each time and ...
Costa is just a thug, a ban magnet and sometimes makes Suarez look like Jesus.



That said, I agree with LordFalcao, there is no title winning coach on earth that will play Lukaku ahead of Costa.
The numbers don't lie but we don't see the Bayerns, Barcelonas, Juves, Madrids trying to sign Lukaku. Dem no sabi count?

And those same clubs are lining up to sign Costa abi?

Lukaku is better than Diego Costa. We are talking about about strikers here not dribblers. Diego Costa didn't even make Spain squad while Morata did...and Lukaku is better than Morata.

To put it this way, Lukaku is benching 60m+ worth of Striking talent at National level.

Michy Batshuayi is Lukaku's understudy.

timbros:
No insults please.

Must Lukaku play no.9 before he score for Chelsea? Can't he score from other positions? How many of Sturridge goals came from no.9 position?

Are we discussing strikers or defenders?

I originally posted this in May***

With the rumours that we're looking to re-sign Lukaku continuing to gather pace, I found this article detailing the brilliance of this young man.
Dude is not even up to 23 yet!

Why on earth did we ever let this boy go?

Romelu Lukaku has now scored 25 goals in 36 games in all competitions for Everton this season and has scored 130 senior career goals, two months before he turns 23. Since moving to England, Lukaku has scored 78 goals. He has only started 136 matches. The Belgian is Everton’s highest goalscorer in a league season since Gary Lineker in 1985/86, and we’re only in March. Finally, Lukaku is the first Everton player under the age of 23 to score 25 goals in a season since Joe Royle in 1968/69.

So, how does that compare with other strikers? Well, is the easy answer. For the longer answer, read on:



Lukaku club goals before age of 23 vs selected others

Ronaldo – 194
Raul – 145
Lionel Messi – 127
Sergio Aguero – 124
*Romelu Lukaku (with two months remaining) – 119*
Michael Owen – 111
Cristiano Ronaldo – 97
Fernando Torres – 87
Wayne Rooney – 94
Luis Suarez – 77
David Villa – 70
Zlatan Ibrahimovic – 69
Alan Shearer – 65
Thierry Henry – 57



Lukaku goal record vs European strikers since 2012/13

Cristiano Ronaldo ( 31) – 207 (192 games)
Lionel Messi (28) – 195 (189)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (34) – 137 (173)
Robert Lewandowski (27) – 133 (183)
Luis Suarez (29) – 128 (165)
Neymar (24) (since August 2012) – 104 (163)
Sergio Aguero (27) – 96 (143)
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (26) – 95 (176)
Karim Benzema (28) – 91 (173)
Gareth Bale (26) – 79 (155)
Romelu Lukaku (22) – 78 (155)
Olivier Giroud (29) – 78 (176)
Carlos Tevez (32) – 76 (159)
Wayne Rooney (30) – 63 (146)

It’s worth pointing out that in those four seasons (including 2015/16) Lukaku has been playing for clubs that finished in league positions of 8th, 5th, 11th and 12th.



Lukaku goal record vs Premier League strikers since 2012/13 (games in brackets)

Sergio Aguero – 71 (107)
Romelu Lukaku – 60 (130)
Luis Suarez – 54 (66)
Olivier Giroud – 53 (126)
Christian Benteke – 49 (113)
Wayne Rooney – 48 (111)
Robin van Persie – 48 (86)
Yaya Toure – 42 (121)
Harry Kane – 41 (74)
Daniel Sturridge – 38 (61)
Wilfried Bony – 31 (81)
Diego Costa – 31 (50)
Theo Walcott – 28 (81)



Lukaku vs other strikers under the age of 23 (via Opta)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYDL570WwAE4CJ0.png


Lukaku vs Premier League strikers 2015/16

Shot accuracy:
1. Harry Kane (22)- 62.5%
2. Sergio Aguero (27) – 57.6%
3. Odion Ighalo (26) – 57.5%
4. Jamie Vardy (29) – 57.0%
5. Olivier Giroud (29 – 53.0%
6. Romelu Lukaku (22) – 52.8%
7. Diego Costa (29) – 47.9%
8. Wayne Rooney (30) – 45.5%



Minutes per shot on target:
1. Sergio Aguero – 44.6
2. Harry Kane – 46.5
3. Olivier Giroud – 54.9
4. Jamie Vardy – 56.5
5. Odion Ighalo – 59.0
6. Romelu Lukaku – 63.8
7. Diego Costa – 87.8
8. Wayne Rooney – 95.3



Minutes per chance created:
1. Romelu Lukaku – 51.57
2. Wayne Rooney – 56.03
3. Jamie Vardy – 67.0
4. Odion Ighalo – 72.8
5. Harry Kane – 75.3
6. Olivier Giroud – 76.8
7. Diego Costa – 84.13
8. Sergio Aguero – 169.6



Goals plus assists:
1. Romelu Lukaku – 24
2. Jamie Vardy – 23
3.= Harry Kane, Sergio Aguero – 18
5. Odion Ighalo – 17
6.= Olivier Giroud, Diego Costa – 16
8. Wayne Rooney – 11



Percentage of team goals scored or assisted:
1. Odion Ighalo – 58.7%
2. Romelu Lukaku – 47.1%
3. Jamie Vardy – 44.2%
4. Diego Costa – 37.2%
5. Harry Kane – 35.3%
6. Olivier Giroud – 34.8%
7. Sergio Aguero – 34.6%
8. Wayne Rooney – 30.0%

lordfalcao:
okay.. let's remove there reserve goals. Costa have 15 lukaku have 7 how has lukaku regularly outscored costa in most of there careers

Costa has only outscored Lukaku in league goals on 2 Occasions. Lukaku has outscored Costa thrice.

timbros:
In one of my earlier posts, I called Lukaku a big fish in a small pond. He is the main striker because he plays for a small club. He will rust in the bench if he ever makes a move to Real or Juve.

Morata played 34 league games for Juve last season and finished with 7 goals 9 assists.

Negro please....

lordfalcao:
we are discussing who is better and you brought up the topic that lukaku have outscored Costa which I just showed you that it's a lie.

Even if I minus the 15 goals like you want. I will minus lukaku's u21 ND 18goals . You Will still find out that lukaku have not outscored Costa

The problem is that you are an illiterate.

I said that Lukaku has outscored Costa regularly for most of his career.

Read it again, and come back when the meaning dawns on you.

When you then consider that Costa has at least 3 years headstart on Lukaku with very little difference in career totals, then the full picture should become apparent.

lordfalcao:
If nihilist says he doesn't like Costa and prefer lukaku to him I will accept as individual opinion, but saying that Nwoke otu okpa lukaku is better than costa. I no gree

I will kill you with Stats. This is not Nihilist opinion. Costa started playing ball in 2006

Lukaku in 2006

[img]http://www.blauwarchiefbrussel.be/images/PurpleTalents_SintGuido_mei2010.jpg[/img]

Mehn you need flogging

timbros:
222>>>100 for appearances. How about that?

Lukaku is always the main striker while Morata always fights for shirt.

And you're still asking who is better...