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nitrogen:
I like OGS o, he was great (not very great) as a player for Utd. He became really popular after 1999. He was not here for a very long time, he was not a starter, he was not a major game changer, he was not as influential both off and on the pitch as other players.

He was just there!

afrodoc2:
Because of all of the above.

MRTA7:
Its clear you never watched Ole at man utd.

We can have a conversation about Ole not being good enough to manage man utd. But as a player, he was termed 20Legend before he even left the club for a reason. Dont forget he finished his career as a right sided attacker. If not for several major injuries he's output who have been even higher. Of course the Cl final goal endeared him mostly to fans but even before then, he scored 4 goals off the bench in a match and also several big game goals. He had a career most would dream of as a united player. So keep that separate from Ole the manager.

afrodoc2:
I hope you are aware that Solskjaer lost 2 seasons to injury so he actually played 9 seasons in reality.

What point are you trying to make by bringing Chicharito into this?

Solskjaer played more games, spent more years, scored more goals, and scored probably the most important goal in club history. What does Chicharito have to do with it?

Being a club legend is not even about quality but about what you meant to the club and the fans. Raul is a bigger Madrid legend than Brazilian Ronaldo.

Duncan Ferguson is a bigger Everton legend than Rooney. Drogba is a bigger Chelshit legend than Shevchenko.

benji93:
I never said he cannot. Or that wasn't what i meant. But can you guarantee it won't impact his career? Your point depends on that premise. And if that premise were true, i would have to agree with you. But neither you or I is sure it is.

afrodoc2:
The simple answer was that in the mid to late 90s he was bought for little money and was an unknown Norwegian, Andy Cole was bought for big money, had been top scorer with Newcastle with 34 goals and was English. Cantona was obviously untouchable.

By the time Cantona left Dwight Yorke another big money signing came in, and Yorke/Cole had the best combination i ever saw in English football.

After that Fergie got Ruud who he used mainly as a lone striker. The only season Ole played up front with Ruud for an extended period he got 17 league goals.

benji93:
Good question again. . And that's correct. mostly, managers get the sack, but it may because the job of a technical director is not as difficult as that of the manager. Also the success of a team depends mostly on the manager According to history, between the two, who is the success of the team attributed to? You rarely hear the name of the director, unless he comes in and revolutionizes the system.

afrodoc2:
Stop spreading misinformation even if you are joking. More ignorant people would take it as gospel.

Fergie visited Pep in New York around Christmas 2012 in order to convince him to take over in 2013. Pep said no that he already had an agreement with Bayern.

Bobby Charlton who hated JM blocked Mourinho who was Ferguson's 2nd choice.

It was after this that Moyes name up.

afrodoc2:
He is a United legend. His coaching failures can't take away from his legacy as a striker. he scored loads of goals on limited minutes, playing as a sub for several years without causing trouble.

He scored the single most important goal in our history IMO.

He is and has always been listed amongst the legends in the official website.

Quite disrespectful to question his legendary status IMO.

Solskjaer's goals for those that have forgotten, and for the indomie generation. Sorry it is so long. Took 30 minutes to fit in all his goals.
Great United striker. Average United manager.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3eVIJ9dAN8

benji93:
Oh so now you see. When i mentioned sometime earlier that the "shut up" thing was a joke, some said it doesn't matter. It's not right to say that. but you can subtly tell some fans that they are 'up manu' fans- which subtly means they are not smart, and do not know how business works- and call it a joke. . you see that's kind of pretentious. And don't worry i won't shut you up. . As i understand there are a lot of leders here.
Now, the bolded is probably true. That's a better argument. Stop tacking on 'sabotage' as a reason, cos it will most likely bite him in the ass. The job of a technical director is different from that of a coach. It will be obvious if all he does is sabotage the manager.

weedtaker:
he’s a Legend, I still think he should leave if things don’t turn around before January.


Abeg make I port go ashawo thread, be like na international week we de enter so.

handelex:
I agree with you except on the fact that he purposely sabotaged our future success. He failed in that aspect no doubt but it was not to preserve his status as a legend, that will be so insecure of him cos no manager can achieve what he achieved in terms of longevity and building team after team while remaining very successful and winning trophies.

weedtaker:
you think OGS is not a Man United legend?

benji93:
Oh so all companies in the corporate world are run the same way? If he becomes the director and the manager fails, will he not receive some of the blame as well and probably get fired. you have a very narrow view on these issues, and you do not consider that other arguments based on perspectives different from yours may be more likely. You are are talking as if you are a CEO of a company, and are well versed in such matters, but you are not, obviously. Quite ocndescending honestly, to think some are just 'up manu' fans and you belong to the class of men with such big business minds.
The last questions you asked are good questions. But do not presume you know why they happened. Maybe they didn't have a plan.

engrelvis:
How many good close off deals has his influence help us with? Is ole really legend at man utd? With exceptions of last minutes goal he scored against Bayern in 1999 ueafa championsfinal finals,what really made him a legend? Because he was a part of d treble winning team?He was more or less a fringe player.He is nt a legend

handelex:
I consider this your take on Fergie a conspiracy theory. So you honestly believe Fergie will sabotage the future success of the club just to preserve his god status? If anything sef, that's a dent on his legacy.

afrodoc2:
Forget sabotage sef. Why would Ole be a good technical director?

Some people think these jobs are so easy you can just walk into the office and start doing them with neither experience nor aptitude.

afrodoc2:
There is a reason Pep sold Navas and could not get him to perform like Sterling or the Silvas. There is a reason Pep has been recycling left backs like a Green Party member.

You can't give what you don't have. No coach can infuse a player with talent. it is God given.

The AWB i saw at Crystal Palace was too poor technically and nothing any human can do can really change it. He has actually improved a bit but he is coming from such a low level that it is still pointless.

Solskjaer's mistake was going for him in the first place. He will never be good going forward. No be curse. It is what it is.

odizeey:
Them go soon nab in 6months time.

Expert17:
Only Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have scored more than Edinson Cavani in the past 13 years.



Hope this is another Ibrahimovic and not Falcao.

benji93:
OGS as a director will frustrate the new manager? What kind of take is this? Do you know Ole in person? If i start to dey insult una now, you go say person no dey respect elders. . I know say you get wild imaginations, as almost everyone here. But sometimes he good to encapsulate those imaginations in reality. Maybe na wetin you go do be that, if you are in such a situation, but no be everybody be like. You fit assume say no be everybody dey think the way you dey think.

Starkizito:
He's a club legend and his influence can be used to close off deals in the future.
Not only him(Ole) the likes of 'dem Beckham,Evra.etc can hold that down,imagine a club as big as united sends out lawyers to go seal transfer deals.

Now imagine if you are sancho and Beckham comes calling you won't you force a move by all means sir?

MorataFC:

This one is more concern about what Mourinho will say than the heavy defeat his team have suffered.

timay:
Here we go again. Na so dem hype Maguire as the next Maldini for us. Saying he will start in most teams. Meanwhile Baba is a fridge who struggles at highline defending because he moves like a trailer

Na here we go dey greenwood go still outscore him by season end even though Greenwood is being played as a RW instead of CF

Nezzjnr:
LMFAO on the beat again

So Sancho will walk straight into the Madrid lineup and bench players there

Including Bayern too??

LMFAO

Starkizito:
Yes boss!Spot on!Ole will be a good technical director(he can't tweak his tactics when found out) he should resign and take up that position.
Let's go for POCH (epl proven)or nagelsmann(proven).

afrodoc2:
Hehehe. You were one of those tackling me that time?

See, in football once you enter your 20s what you can do is IMPROVE on what you already have and also be more consistent at it. You can't suddenly ACQUIRE a new skill.

In particular at that age it is almost impossible to suddenly develop a great touch or great dribbling. It is easier to improve shooting, crossing, tackling, positioning e.t.c BUT touch and dribbling is developed before 18.

ennyjay72:
another Sonic the hedgehog

Nezzjnr:
He's already loosing the dressing room like this

We go soon get Bruno Faction and Maguire Faction

handelex:
With a coach of his ceiling, I probably expected a title challenge at least, not that the Europa League is bad but we don't belong in that league.

KingAlabi:
With respect to fans expectations he failed

And ole is also failing

handelex:
They fail to see that the problem is more than Ole although Ole himself is average, where bigger and better Coaches like LVG and Mou failed with the same system is it Ole that will succeed? Oga has tried his best.