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1. Why is it that they don't pray with non Ghulam Ahmad followers?
its because they persecute we Ahmadis, and label us 'kafirs'(disbelievers). When you call some one a disbeliever(non-Muslim), why do you expect him yo come and offer his prayers behind you, why don't you go about alleging the Christians for not praying in your mosque?

2. Why is it that they bury or attend the funeral of a non-Ghulam Ahmad follower?

its a responsibility a Muslim owes to a fellow Muslim, so we observe it.

3. Why is it that they dont allow non member to lead them in prayers?

would the non-ahmadis allow an ahmadi to lead him?

@ jarus, thanks.
@bilms,
Ahmadiya is a mis- guided sect although not in all its teachings.

but any sect that some of its belief are mis - guidance to the people should be considered a misguided sect.


i have an uncle who is a member of Ahmadiyya, he has been a member for over 20 year now.

I know them very well, \


i have prayed in there mosque before and i saw some questionable acts.

and mostly an Ahmadiyy member don't usually pray in any other mosque, even if they traveled to some places. they will make sure they look for Ahmadiyya mosque around.

and if they didn't find any, huh

why dont you question it at the spot and free your mind?
you declare someone to be a kaafir and you still want him to come and pray behind you?

[b](The Qadianis believe that Allaah fasts, prays, sleeps, wakes up, writes, makes mistakes and has intercourse – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say.)
[/b]this is a false allegation. we neva had such a believe. we believe Allah to be the way He has described Himself.

[b](The Qadiani believes that his god is English because he speaks to him in English.)
[/b]this is a lie, the promised messiah received revelation from Allah in arabic, urdu, persia, and some other lang but did not personalise God to be of a particular tribe or nation.  you can go to our official website(www.alislam.org) to verify


[b](The Qadianis believe that Prophethood did not end with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but that it is ongoing, and that Allaah sends a messenger when there is a need,)
[/b]truly we believe that 'prophethood' did not end with the holy prophet(saw), but the 'prophethood' that we believe to end with him by his been khaatam n nabiyyin, is the prophethood that comes with a new law.

[b](and that Ghulam Ahmad is the best of all the Prophets.)
[/b]this statement is a false one, we neva believ so.

[b](They believe that Jibreel used to come down to Ghulam Ahmad and that he used to bring revelation to him, and that his inspirations are like the Qur’aan.)
[/b]this is also a false statement, we neva believe so. may the curse of Allah be upon the lairs.
we believe he recieves revelations but not that Jibreel brings it to him, its a direct revelation, and we neva compare it to the holy quran

[b](They say that there is no Qur’aan other than what the “Promised Messiah” (Ghulam Ahmad) brought, and no hadeeth except what is in accordance with his teachings, and no Prophet except under the leadership of Ghulam Ahmad.)
[/b]this is a lair. we neva believe that the promised messiah brought a quran, nor hadith. neither do we say that there is no prophet except under the leadership of Ghulam Ahmad.

[b](They believe that their book was revealed. Its name is al-Kitaab al-Mubeen and it is different from the Holy Qur’aan.)
[/b]this is not true. MAY THE CURSE OF ALLAH BE UPON THE LAIRS. if you have seen a copy of it, you are hereby challenge to produce a portion of it.


[b](They believe that they are followers of a new and independent religion and an independent Sharee’ah, and that the friends of Ghulam are like the Sahaabah.)
[/b]this is also a false statement.MAY THE CURSE OF ALLAH BE UPON THE LAIRS.

[b](They believe that Qadian is like Madeenah and Makkah, if not better than them, and that its land is sacred. It is their Qiblah and the place they make hajj to.)
[/b]everyone knows this to be an obvious lie! if its true, it would be obvious. Have you ever seen an ahmadiyya mosque facing any place other than the qibla?MAY THE CURSE OF ALLAH BE UPON THE LAIRS.

(They called for the abolition of jihaad and blind obedience to the British government because, as they claimed, the British were “those in authority” as stated in the Qur’aan.)
[/b]we neva called for abrogation of jihad, neither do we believe it to be abrogated. just be patient and try to understand our stand on this topic (of jihad).go to www.alislam.org/terrorism.html

[b](In their view every Muslim is a Kaafir unless he becomes a Qadiani, and everyone who married a non-Qadiani is also a kaafir.)
[/b]this is a lair. we neva believe so. we believe in the defination the Holy Prophet gave for a muslim; He says 'who ever performs our prayer and faces our qibla and eat our slaughter, such a one is a Muslim,
 
  [b][b][b](They allow alcohol, opium, drugs and intoxicants.)
[/b][/b]this is a lair.MAY THE CURSE OF ALLAH BE UPON THE LAIRS.

[b](His abolition of the duty of jihaad, to serve the interests of the colonialists.

His saying that people should no longer go on Hajj to Makkah, and his substitution of Qadian as the place of pilgrimage.

His anthropomorphism or likening Allaah to human beings.

His belief in the transmigration of souls and incarnation.

His attributing a son to Allaah and his claim to be the son of God.

His denying that Prophethood ended with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his regarding the door of Prophethood to be open to “any Tom, manliness or Harry”.)

[/b]all these are false statement. MAY THE CURSE OF ALLAH BE UPON THE LAIRS.

[b](His claim to be a Prophet)
[/b]he truly claims to be a prophet that brings no other law, but follows the law of the quran.

CONCERNING THESE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD PROPHET BY THE HOLY QURAN?

@jarus, i thought the moderator would be able to be at least just?

Deen4me:
@Niyi53 Its been a while since i came across an Ahmadiy.

You need to understand that just posting some paragraphs on Ahamdiyya is not enough you need to give us the full picture of things

I must warn all readers that this is a misguided sect that are beyond the pale of Islam and do not in anyway represents Muslims.

Find below more information on the misguided sect


In Rabee’ al-Awwal 1394 AH (April 1974), a major conference was held by the Muslim World League in Makkah, which was attended by representatives of Muslim organizations from around the world. This conference announced that this sect is Kaafir and is beyond the pale of Islam, and told Muslims to resist its dangers and not to cooperate with the Qadianis or bury their dead in Muslim graveyards.


Qadianiyyah is a movement that started in 1900 CE as a plot by the British colonialists in the Indian subcontinent, with the aim of diverting Muslims away from their religion and from the obligation of jihaad in particular, so that they would not oppose colonialism in the name of Islam. The mouthpiece of this movement is the magazine Majallat Al-Adyaan (Magazine if Religions) which was published in English.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad al-Qadiani (1839-1908 CE) was the main tool by means of which Qadianiyyah was founded. He was born in the village of Qadian, in the Punjab, in India, in 1839 CE. He came from a family that was well known for having betrayed its religion and country, so Ghulam Ahmad grew up loyal and obedient to the colonialists in every sense. Thus he was chosen for the role of a so-called prophet, so that the Muslims would gather around him and he would distract them from waging jihaad against the English colonialists. The British government did lots of favours for them, so they were loyal to the British. Ghulam Ahmad was known among his followers to be unstable, with a lot of health problems and dependent on drugs.

Their thought and beliefs

Ghulam Ahmad began his activities as an Islamic daa’iyah (caller to Islam) so that he could gather followers around him, then he claimed to be a mujaddid inspired by Allaah. Then he took a further step and claimed to be the Awaited Mahdi and the Promised Messiah. Then he claimed to be a Prophet and that his prophethood was higher than that of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

[b]The Qadianis believe that Allaah fasts, prays, sleeps, wakes up, writes, makes mistakes and has intercourse – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say.

The Qadiani believes that his god is English because he speaks to him in English.

The Qadianis believe that Prophethood did not end with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but that it is ongoing, and that Allaah sends a messenger when there is a need, and that Ghulam Ahmad is the best of all the Prophets.

They believe that Jibreel used to come down to Ghulam Ahmad and that he used to bring revelation to him, and that his inspirations are like the Qur’aan.

They say that there is no Qur’aan other than what the “Promised Messiah” (Ghulam Ahmad) brought, and no hadeeth except what is in accordance with his teachings, and no Prophet except under the leadership of Ghulam Ahmad.

They believe that their book was revealed. Its name is al-Kitaab al-Mubeen and it is different from the Holy Qur’aan.

They believe that they are followers of a new and independent religion and an independent Sharee’ah, and that the friends of Ghulam are like the Sahaabah.

They believe that Qadian is like Madeenah and Makkah, if not better than them, and that its land is sacred. It is their Qiblah and the place they make hajj to.

They called for the abolition of jihaad and blind obedience to the British government because, as they claimed, the British were “those in authority” as stated in the Qur’aan.

In their view every Muslim is a Kaafir unless he becomes a Qadiani, and everyone who married a non-Qadiani is also a kaafir.

They allow alcohol, opium, drugs and intoxicants.
[/b]


Among the factors that make Mirza Ghulam Ahmad an obvious Kaafir are the following:

His claim to be a Prophet

His abolition of the duty of jihaad, to serve the interests of the colonialists.

His saying that people should no longer go on Hajj to Makkah, and his substitution of Qadian as the place of pilgrimage.

His anthropomorphism or likening Allaah to human beings.

His belief in the transmigration of souls and incarnation.

His attributing a son to Allaah and his claim to be the son of God.

His denying that Prophethood ended with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his regarding the door of Prophethood to be open to “any Tom, manliness or Harry”.

From the above, it is clear that:

Qadianiyyah is a misguided group, which is not part of Islam at all. Its beliefs are completely contradictory to Islam, so Muslims should beware of their activities, since the ‘Ulama’ (scholars) of Islam have stated that they are Kaafirs.

For more information see: Al-Qadianiyyah by Ihsaan Ilaahi Zaheer.

(Translator’s note: this book is available in English under the title “Qadiyaniat: an analytical survey” by Ehsan Elahi Zaheer)

Reference: Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Muyassarah fi’l-Adyaan al-Madhaahib wa’l-Ahzaab al-Mu’aasirah by Dr. Maani’ Hammad al-Juhani, 1/419-423


Source http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/4060/ahmadi

As a muslim every kind of allegations is to be verified, for the Holy Quran says that
ان جاءكم فاسق بنبءٍ فتبينوا ان تصيب قوما بجهالة فتصبحوا على ما فعلتم نادمين

o ye who believe, if an unrighteous person brings you any news, ascertain the correctness of the report, fully, least you harm a people in ignorance, and then become repentant for what you have done. (Hujurat; 49:6)
I call Allah(swt) to witness that all these allegations are fabricated and never one of them is true about Ahmadiyya and I will like you to study the belief of Ahmadis both on the net and in the books of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as). And if  your location is closer to a faithful Ahmadi, I will like you to study him, whether he does these things mentioned or he does Islam as prescribed by the Holy Prophet Muhammad(sa), the Best of mankind.

@babs, thanks, its ahmadiyya muslim jamaat.
@deen4me, all the allegation you made are all false. go to our official website(www.alislam.org) and find out, dont source for info at an opponents website.


Founder of Ahmadiyya Community

In 1835, a person was born by the name of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in the village of Qadian. God was to appoint him in the defense of Is­lam. He wrote a book Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya and declared that the only living religion is Islam and the only living prophet is Prophet Muhammad. He challenged all religious schol­ars of all faiths to debate him.

His announcement was unique because he stated that he has received revelation from God and that he is the Messiah and Mahdi that people were anticipating for several cen­turies. His argument was that revelation and prophethood can only be achieved by follow­ing a living religion and a living prophet. Since other religions cannot and have not produced any person who receives revelation, therefore, their religion cannot be a living one.

He announced this very argument in the following words:

“The recognition of the Living God we have achieved through this Perfect Prophet and through his light. The honor of converse with God, through which we behold His coun­tenance, has been bestowed upon me through this great Prophet. The ray of this sun of guid­ance falls like sunshine upon me and I con­tinue illumined only so long as I am adjusted towards it “

[Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, (Qadian, Magazine Press 1907); Now published in Roohani Khaza’in (London, 1984), Vol. 22, pp. 115-116].

He openly and clearly declared that his status in the Eyes of God was only achieved by following the Holy Prophet Muhammad. He states this in the following quote:

“It would not have been possible for me to have attained this grace if I had not fol­lowed the footsteps of my lord and master, the pride of all the prophets, the best of man­kind, Muhammad, the chosen one, peace and blessings of Allah be on him. Whatever I have achieved, I have achieved by fol­lowing him, and I know from verified reli­able experience that no man can reach God and obtain a deeper understanding of His ways without following that Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be on him.” (Roohani Khaza’in, Vol. 22: Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, pp. 64-65)

Belief about Jesus

Because of his claim of being the 2nd Messiah, the question arose as to the be­lief among Christians and Muslims about Jesus son of Mary coming back to the world.

The founder of the Ahmadiyya Com­munity announced that Jesus did not die on the cross because it would have been a disgraceful death. Since Jesus son of Mary was a pure and innocent prophet of God, He saved him from the death on the cross. He explained that the real mission of Jesus was to preach the lost sheep of the house of Israel who were scattered in many countries. He established by argu­ments and reasoning from the gospels as well as from the history that Jesus trav­eled to other countries and eventually settled in Kashmir, India. He also an­nounced that the tomb of Jesus is in Srinagar, Kashmir on Khanyar Street. He announced that Jesus would not be com­ing down from the skies. Hadhrat Ahmad claimed and proved that all the prophe­cies whether in the New Testament or in the Hadith of the Holy Prophet Muhammad were fulfilled in his person.

Hadhrat Ahmad, the Promised Mes­siah, restored dignity to the status of Jesus. The Scriptures says that anyone who hangeth on the tree is accursed of God. When someone is accursed, it means that he becomes an enemy of God and God becomes his enemy. That is the reason

Satan is referred to as accursed. Ahmad refuted any thought that he was in any way insulting Jesus. Instead he was de­scribing the real status of Jesus, a prophet who taught worship of one God and ful­filled his mission of preaching to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He stated his real feelings about Jesus:

“In Mosaic dispensation the Son of Mary was the Promised Messiah and in the Islamic

Dispensation I am the Promised Mes­siah; so I honor greatly the one whose name I bear. Anyone who asserts that I do not hold Jesus son of Mary in high es­teem is a mischief-maker and a liar. I honor not only Jesus son of Mary but also his four brothers, as they were all sons of the same mother. I also regard his two real sis­ters as holy, for they are all the children of Holy Mary.”

[Kashti-e-Nuh, Roohani Khaza’in, vol. 19, pp. 17-18]

Message of the Founder

It is remarkable to note that this claim and voice were raised in the small village of Qadian. There was no post office, no bus stop, no train station, telegraph or telephone service. Amazingly, this voice was heard throughout the world, even in the United States of America. Guests started arriving to visit him from all over the world. This was the fulfillment of the prophecy “wherever the carcass is, eagles shall gather together.” In a short time Qadian was full of life and activity. Young people started to devote their lives and become missionaries. It was an unheard concept of Muslim missionaries to go any­where to challenge other faiths. They were taking trains; embarking upon the decks of ships and even walking to the far away lands of Africa, Middle East, Europe and America. They were giving the glad tid­ings that the Messiah, the Prince of peace, had come and peace is at hand for man­kind.

Community’s Birth

Officially, the Ahmadiyya Community was established in March 1889. Hadhrat Ahmad announced his purpose and mis­sion in the following words:

“God almighty has raised me, a humble servant, in this age so that the Islamic teachings may be published and propa­gated to all nations and all countries and thus leave no excuse for them. For this purpose God has provided me with hun­dreds of heavenly signs, knowledge about the hidden things, sciences, facts and I have been provided with hundreds of logi­cal arguments. God Almighty has pro­vided for me the means and methods of publicizing the religion, the arguments and proofs to an extent that no other na­tion in history was equipped with these blessings. All of the hidden opportunities that have been provided to me were not given to any one of them. These are the blessings of Allah and He gives it to whomever He chooses.” (Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya page 575)

Name of the Community

The name of the community “Ah­madiyya” was chosen by its founder for a very specific reason. Many people may think that the name is used because the name of its founder was Ahmad but this is not the case.

Holy Prophet Muhammad had two names: Muhammad and Ahmad. The name Muhammad reflected his majestic at­tributes and Ahmad referred to his at­tributes of peace and harmony. When the Holy Prophet declared God’s message, his first thirteen years of life in Mecca was a reflection of the name Ahmad. He was per­secuted; the Meccans punished his fol­lowers in diverse ways. His response was of peace and harmony and he showed pa­tience and perseverance. His life in Medina of ten years was the reflection of his name Muhammad when he defeated his enemies and finally became victorious and God established his majestic attributes.

The attribute of the name Ahmad would also be revived in the latter days according to the prophecies. This reason for choosing the name of the community was clearly stated by its founder:

“There was a prophecy that the name Ahmad would be manifested again in the latter days and that a person would ap­pear through whom the qualities of beauty, which characterized Ahmad, would be manifested, and all fighting would come to an end. For this reason, it has been con­sidered appropriate that the name of this sect should be the Ahmadiyya Sect, so that everyone hearing this name should realize that this sect has come into being for the spread of peace and harmony and that it would have nothing to do with war and fighting.”

[Majmu‘ah Ishtiharat, vol. 3, pp. 364-366]

Highlights of Beliefs

Emphasizing where it says in the Holy Qur’an “there is no compulsion in reli­gion,” he explained that Jihad of the sword is applicable, as a defensive mea­sure in very strictly defined conditions and those conditions do not exist today. Therefore, our interaction with other faiths has to be through discussions, dia­logue and exchange of ideas. Instead, he declared a Jihad of the pen against all re­ligions and forces who were trying to destroy Islam.

He also taught the community to show patience in face of persecution. Just as Jesus was put on the cross for preaching peace and humility, the followers of the 2nd Messiah faced the same circum­stances. They showed humility, persever­ance and patience and in turn prayed for their enemies. Whether it be in Pakistan, Bangladesh or Indonesia, the example of this characteristic of the Ahmadiyya Community is manifestly clear.

@viaro, i see that you are just guessing, i don't know of any dr. khalid. the person who wrote it is HAZRAT MIRZA TAHIR AHMAD. the title of the book is REVELATION RATIONALITY KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH. go to alislam library

I will post it for you if you still like me to post it, but i will like to give you the link where you will read from different author www.alislam.org/topics/messiah/

THE PROPHECY IN DEUTERONOMY
When Moses went to Mount Horeb under the command of God, he
addressed the Israelites saying:
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet
from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me;
unto him ye shall hearken (Deuteronomy 18:15).
God spoke to Moses saying:
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their
brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his
mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall
command him. And it shall come to pass, that
whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he
shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. But the
prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my
name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or
that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that
prophet shall die (Deuteronomy 18:18-20).
From these passages it is evident that Moses prophesied about a
Law-giving Prophet who was to appear after him, and who was to be
from among the brethren of Israel.
That he was to be a Law-giver, and not an ordinary Prophet is
obvious from the words “like unto” Moses. As Moses was a Law-giver,
the Prophet, who was to be like Moses, was also to be a Law-giver. The
Promised Prophet is described as one who “shall speak unto them all that
I shall command him.” From this also it appears that the Promised
Prophet was to be a Law-giving Prophet. The promulgation of a new
Law means the initiation of a new movement, a new nation. A Prophet
who promulgates a new Law, therefore, is no ordinary Teacher or
Reformer. He has to present a comprehensive teaching, incorporating
fundamental principles as well as detailed rules. Without it a new nation
cannot be raised. But a Prophet who does not bring a new Law has only
to explain and to annotate an already existing Law. It is not necessary for
him to present all that he receives from God to his people. It is possible
that some of his revelations may be meant only for his personal
edification, which he is under no obligation to pass on to his people. The
prophecy also lays down that the Promised Prophet will “speak in my
name”, and those who will not listen to him, God will “require it” of
them; that is, those who turn a deaf ear will incur punishment. We are
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also told that any one who pretends to fulfil the prophecy will be put to
death.
If we keep in view all the terms of the prophecy, we are bound to
conclude that until at least the time of Jesus no Prophet had appeared in
the world who could be said to have answered to the description of the
Promised Prophet. All the Prophets who appeared between Moses and
Jesus, therefore, may be ignored, when we set out in search of the
Prophet who could be said to have fulfilled this prophecy. They have left
no following and no people who could espouse their claims. Only Jesus
remains who has a large following, and who is regarded by his followers
as the last Teacher sent by God into this world. But when we apply, one
by one, the terms of the prophecy to Jesus, we find that not one of them
applies to him:
First, the Promised Prophet was to be a Law-giving Prophet. Was
Jesus a Law-giver? Did he bring a new Law into the world to replace an
old one? Jesus said clearly:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For
verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled (Matthew 5:17-18).
The followers of Jesus went so far as to declare:
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth
them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from
the curse of the law, ,  (Galatians, 3:12-13).
Jesus laid no claim to giving a new Law, and his disciples regard the
Law as a curse. How then can Jesus and his followers be said to fulfil the
prophecy in Deuteronomy?
Secondly, the Promised Prophet was to be raised not from among
Israel but from among their brethren and Jesus was an Israelite.
Christian exponents, confronted with this fact, are wont to say that
Jesus had no earthly father, so he can be said to be one of the brethren of
Israel. But such a construction would be untenable. The prophecy speaks
of brethren, which means they were to constitute a race or a people from
among whom the Promised Prophet was to rise. Jesus stands alone, as
son of God. If there were other sons of God, he might have answered to
the description of the prophecy. But, apart from this, it is clearly laid
down in the Bible that Christ was to be of the seed of David (Psalms,
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132:11; Jeremiah, 23:5). Jesus may shed his Israelite origin because he
had no earthly father: but he will not then remain a son of David, so that
the prophecy of the Psalms relating to Christ will not apply to him.
Thirdly, the prophecy says: “I will put my words in his mouth.” But
the Gospels do not consist of words which God put in Jesus’ mouth.
They only tell us the story of Jesus and what he said in some of his
public addresses and what his disciples said or did on different occasions.
Fourthly, the Promised One was to be a Prophet, while the Christian
view is that Jesus was not a Prophet, but the son of God. How, then, can
Jesus answer to the description of the prophecy?
Fifthly, we have in the prophecy: “Words which he shall speak in my
name.” Strange as it may seem, there is in the Gospels not a single
example of words which Jesus maybe said to have received from God
with the command to pass them on to the people whom he taught.
Sixthly, we have in the prophecy: “He shall speak unto them all that I
shall command.” The Promised Prophet, according to this, was to give to
the world a complete and comprehensive teaching. But Jesus claimed no
such mission for himself. He regarded himself as the forerunner of a
greater Teacher yet to come. Thus we have (John, 16:12-13):
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye
cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of
truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he
shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear,
that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
From these verses it appears that the prophecy in Deuteronomy was
not fulfilled in Jesus. We cannot but conclude, therefore, that both the
Old and the New Testaments foretold the coming of a Prophet after Jesus
who was to guide the world “unto all truth”, and who was to establish the
name of God on earth for all time. Our claim is that the revelation of the
Quran and the advent of the Holy Prophet mark the fulfilment of the
prophecy in Deuteronomy. The following facts bear this out:
(i) The Holy Prophet Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael. The
descendants of Ishmael were the brethren of the descendants of Isaac, the
Israelites.
(ii) The Holy Prophet is the only one claiming to be a Prophet like
Moses. We have in the Quran (73:16):
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Verily We have sent to you a Messenger, who is a
witness over you, even as We sent a Messenger to
Pharaoh.
The Quran definitely likens the Holy Prophet to Moses.
(iii) The prophecy described the Promised One as a Prophet. The
Holy Prophet claimed to be a Prophet only. Jesus, we are told, on the
other hand, did not claim to be a Prophet. We read in Mark (8:27-30):
He asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do
men say that I am? and they answered, John the Baptist:
but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets.
And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I Am?
And Peter answereth and saith unto him. Thou art the
Christ. And he charged them that they should tell no
man of him.
That is to say, Jesus denies being either John the Baptist, or Elias, or
one of the Prophets. But the prophecy in Deuteronomy speaks of the
Promised One as a Prophet like Moses. The prophecy, therefore, applies
to the Prophet of Islam and not to Jesus.
(iv) The prophecy speaks of “words I will put in his mouth.” The
Gospels do not contain any such words. On the contrary, the Holy
Prophet of Islam brought to the world the Quran which is from beginning
to end only the word of God, which God put into his mouth. The Quran
describes itself as the word of God (2:76).
(v) The prophecy said that the Promised One would speak all that he
was commanded. We have quoted the Gospels to prove that Jesus did not
pass on everything he received from God, and that there was to be
another after him, who was to do so. The Holy Prophet of Islam fully
answers to this description. We have in the Quran (5:68): “O Messenger!
convey to the people what has been revealed to thee from thy Lord.” The
verse seems to say, “O Prophet, there is an ancient prophecy about you
which said that when you come into the world you would give to it all
the truths you received from your God. Therefore preach to the world
whatever is revealed to you, whether it likes it or not.” Similarly, the
verse revealed on the completion of the revelation of the Quran says:
This day have I perfected your religion for you and
completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you
Islam as religion (5:4).
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That is to say, “Through the revelation of the Quran, faith has been
made perfect and the gift of guidance made complete for you, and peace
and tranquillity have been appointed for you as your religion.” It was the
Holy Prophet of Islam, therefore, who taught everything and kept back
nothing. In the time of Jesus, people were not ready to receive and to
believe in everything that was worth while. But in the time of the Holy
Prophet of Islam man had traversed all the stages of spiritual evolution
and the time had come for all the truths to be revealed to the world.
(vi) The prophecy speaks of “words which he shall speak in my
name”. This part of the prophecy also was fulfilled in the Holy Prophet
of Islam. He is the only one who spoke in the name of God, because
every Chapter of the revealed Book brought by him begins with the
words: “In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.” This great
sign, duly incorporated in the Quran, also proves that the last stride in the
spiritual advance of humanity, foretold by Moses, was registered with the
advent of the Holy Prophet of Islam.
(vii) The prophecy laid down the important criterion:
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a
word in my name, which I have not commanded him to
speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even
that prophet shall die (Deuteronomy 18:20).
In this verse the world was taught how to distinguish the Promised
One of the prophecy from those who should only pretend to fulfil the
prophecy. It was necessary that a clear criterion should be laid down. The
Promised One had to be charged with the important mission of initiating
the last stage in the spiritual advance of man. If pretenders to this office
should arise, the world would run great risks. To ward off these risks,
God laid down the criterion that a pretender would incur divine
punishment and meet with death and defeat. The Holy Prophet of Islam
laid claim to this office very early in his career, and in the clearest terms.
When he announced his claim, he was friendless and weak. The enemy
was large in numbers and was strong, and he left no stone unturned to
bring to nought his message and his mission and spared no pains to put
an end to his life. Mighty rulers also set themselves against him but it
was they, not the Prophet who suffered discomfiture and disgrace. The
Holy Prophet died full of success. When he died, the whole of Arabia
had declared faith in him; and after his death his first Successors in a few
years spread Islam throughout the whole of the then known world.
Moses was a true Prophet. The prophecy in Deuteronomy was a
revelation from God. But was the Holy Prophet bound to succeed in the
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way he did? And, were his enemies, who thirsted for his blood, bound to
fail in the way they did? No, neither the Holy Prophet’s success nor the
failure of his enemies was an accident. On the other hand, it seems that
the Quran had in view the terms of the prophecy in Deuteronomy when it
declared before all Arabia and early in the career of the Holy Prophet:
And Allah will protect thee from men (5:68).
Similarly, addressing the enemies of the Prophet, the Quran declared:
He is the Knower of the unseen; and He reveals not
His secrets to any one, except him whom He chooses,
namely a Messenger of His. And then He causes an
escort of guarding angels to go before him and behind
him (72:27-28).
That is to say, the Prophet, having been charged with an important
mission, would not be left unprotected. Enemies would never be able to
kill him.
These verses proved that the success which the Holy Prophet
attained was not an accident of good fortune. He declared early, through
revelations received by him from God and recorded to this day in the
Quran, that God would protect him from the murderous attacks of his
enemies. He warned the world that because he was not a pretender but
the Prophet promised in the prophecy in Deuteronomy, he would not be
killed.
In short, one thousand nine hundred years before the advent of the
Prophet of Islam, Moses declared that his own Law was, in the divine
scheme, not the last Law; that the world was to have a fuller Law later
on; and that, for this, God would send in the Latter Days another
Messenger of His. This Messenger was to teach all truths; it was he who
was to mark the last stage in the spiritual advance of man. The world had
to wait for another book and another Prophet. If, therefore, the Quran and
the Holy Prophet have come after the Bible and after the Prophets Moses
and Jesus, and if they claim to have come from God as guidance to man,
their claim must be treated as just and true. It must be taken as the
fulfilment of ancient prophecies. The revelation of the Quran was not a
gratuitous revelation, a redundance in the presence of those revelations.
Indeed, if the Qur’an had not been revealed, promises made by God
through His Messengers would have gone unfulfilled, and the world
would have become afflicted with doubt and disbelief.

Yes of course, we do recite it!

Jesus Versus Finality

THE BELIEF that the last prophet, Muhammadsa, has already come and gone and the assertion that Jesusas would descend to earth as a prophet after him are so inconsistent that they cannot be owned simultaneously. In fact this cocktail of two unrelated issues was made by some Ulema of the late medieval times. At the time of the revelation of the Holy Quran any connection between the two was unthinkable.

For the sake of the unfamiliar non-Muslim reader we need to explain the historical background of this issue lest they should fail to understand what the row is all about. The verse () Khatamun-Nabiyyeen is one of the most fundamental verses of the Quran which is profoundly rich in meaning and contains many possible connotations. But none of its connotations can even remotely be related to the so-called ascent of Jesus Christas. Hence the Mullah's plea that Jesusas was lifted to the fourth heaven because this verse of finality was to be revealed by God is absolutely ridiculous and melodramatic. This so-called bodily ascent of Jesus has nothing to do with this verse nor with any verse in the Quran. The idea of raising Jesus Christas to heaven had never occurred to God. The entire Quran and the traditions of the Holy Prophetsa absolve God of this absurdity by a total absence of any such reference to the ascent of Jesusas. For the Mullahs to maintain that God had lifted him to forestall the problem created by this verse is a blatant lie and an unfounded allegation against the Quran. Thus it is the Mullah who is creating the problem himself and resolving it in the name of God. To bind this unfounded conjecture to one of the most fundamental verses of the Quran is an act of abomination. The reasons which motivate the medievalist clergy to do this and the deceptive manner in which they attempt to fuse these absolutely unrelated issues is the main subject of discussion here. Having familiarized the reader with the background, now we proceed to tell the tale of the Mullah's desperation. With this in mind we hope that the reader will fully understand that which follows.

DESPITE THE FACT that the imagined ascent or descent of Jesusas has nothing to do with the independent declaration of the Holy Prophet'ssa finality, the clergy still assert that there is a definite link between the two. Prophet Jesusas, son of Mary, they insist, will be personally brought back from the heavens because no new prophet can be raised after Prophet Muhammadsa. This ingenious device of bringing an old prophet back to earth instead of raising one from the Ummah to meet the new need may seem highly laudable to the Muslim orthodoxy but their enthusiasm cannot be shared by ordinary humans. No one with an iota of common sense can attribute this cheap act of trickstering to God the Almighty, the All-Wise. Only the Mullahs can and this exactly is what they attempt to do. By connecting the return of Jesusas with the finality of the Holy Prophetsa, they think that they have rescued God from the consequences of a premature declaration of finality. Thus, the clergy believes that they have saved God from a grave dilemma of contradiction. This has to be the brainchild of a half-wit Mullah to whom it rightly belongs. The promise of finality to any prophet by God, despite His knowledge that it could not be kept, is inconceivable of Him. To make a show of keeping the promise by bringing an old prophet after the demise of the last one is sheer mockery. Thus, judging God by his own standards, the Mullah first attributes a shameful act of contradiction to Him, then comes forward to help Him save His face from it. This blatant attempt is not made without a purpose. To the Mullah it is a great idea having multiple advantages.

It saves the life of Jesus from an ignoble death upon the cross and frustrates his enemies' attempts to prove him false. Imagine their exasperation at finding Jesus escape their clutches by vanishing into thin air (if there is any air at all in the fourth heaven where he is assumed to have ascended). But this measure must also have created another small problem for God. When and why he should be brought back to earth must have been the question. After all he could not be left abandoned in his heavenly confine till Doomsday. As far as God is concerned the problem does not exist. As far as the Mullah is concerned the problem is created by him to hide his own contradiction of believing in the finality of the Holy Prophetsa, as well as believing in the re-advent of Jesusas as a prophet after him. That is the only reason why he connects the verse of Khatamun-Nabiyyeen with the imaginary ascent of Jesusas. He does it with a cunning deceitfulness which cannot be detected by the ordinary Muslim masses. The following is the case he builds:

1. Jesus was lifted to heaven with a purpose and will be brought back finally to earth.
2. The coming of an old prophet after the last one had appeared would not break the seal of his finality.
3. The need for a new prophet in the latter days will be fulfilled without creating any dilemma of contradiction in God's Decree.

There are some who kill two birds with one stone but the orthodoxy seems to know how to kill three with one! In reality however, by shifting the twist of their own mind to that of God, they commit an unpardonable act of blasphemy.

We believe that by concocting this mindless exercise and spinning such a bizarre tale the most prominent advantage the Mullah gains, among others, is to escape the possibility of any Divine authority to be ever imposed upon him. Good riddance once and for all from the institution of prophethood and the danger of ever losing his absolute command over the ignorant Muslim masses. The belief that a two thousand year old prophet would come again has the inherent guarantee that no prophet would ever come again. Thus the Mullah's grip on Islam will be perpetuated and he will forever retain his despotic authority over the unsuspecting Muslim masses.

The dead never return from their otherworldly abode. Once departed, none has ever paid a second visit to begin mixing with the living. Never has God brought back any dwellers of the past. Those who literally await the return of Jesus may continue to do so till eternity. He will never come, nor will the Mullah ever quit his demagogic command over the Muslim world. Left forever at the mercy of the Mullah, who knows no mercy, the masses are duped to wait in vain for the return of Jesusas bearing a cup of elixir in his hand. Islam will continue to suffer year after year, century after century under the despotic rule of the Muslim clergy.

Looking yet again at the same question of Jesus versus finality, the solution proposed by the Mullah is untenable anyway. To borrow an old prophet from the bygone Ummah of Mosesas for the completely different requirements of the Muslim Ummah of the latter days can in no way resolve their problems. A borrowed prophet, they fail to understand, will be the one who will violate the sanctity of the Holy Prophet'ssa finality and not the one who is born and raised within his Ummah as his spiritual son.

Over and above what has been discussed, it must be noted that in the context of the present discussion mere chronology cannot determine whether a prophet is old or new. If a prophet comes again with exactly the same attributes which he had during his first advent then of course his visit could be treated as a repeat visit. But, if before his second advent, he has been radically changed in his physical characteristics and aptitudes and his attitude to his enemies has fundamentally changed, he can in no way be described as an old prophet come again. In addition, the spiritual status he holds, the message he delivers, the miracles he works and the authority he exercises over the whole of mankind has no similarity with the Jesusas of the New Testament. It is also worthy of note that the Jesusas whose advent was promised by the Holy Prophetsa has a completely different identity from that of the previous Jesusas. The promised Jesusas would not be a prophet of Israel any more. He will no longer be subordinate to the Torah, or to the Gospels he himself taught. Nor will he be confined to the domain of the House of Israel. If, despite all this, the Mullah must insist that the Promised Jesusas is the same Jesusas of Israel then they must admit that before being brought back to earth he would be completely reconditioned and recommissioned in all the essential features of his prophethood. If that is not the advent of a new prophet, what else is? No Mullah would concede that such a Jesus as the one described could ever be assimilated into Islam without compromising the principle of the Holy Prophet'ssa finality. What remains for them is only to believe that Jesusas would return to earth without any change wrought in him. Once here, he would be budded onto the tree of Islam and re-grow as a reformer fit to be called a universal Muslim prophet. We should be permitted to draw the attention of the Mullah that even then, he will remain foreign to Islam, unable to shed his non-Muslim personality of an Israelite. His case would be like that of a bud from a tree of a different species grafted onto the stem of another. If a lotus can be grafted onto a cherry tree, or a blueberry to a pineapple bush, only then can one visualize a pre-Islamic prophet grafted onto Islam. But to what avail. The grafted stem can never lose its identity. What would grow out of Jesus as even when bonded to Islam, would still be a Jesus as of Israelitic identity.

JESUSAS, THEREFORE, even if physically transferred to the world of Islam, can never change his true identity. The Quran will continue to describe him merely as a prophet to the children of Israel. Any infuriated Muslim divine could stand up to defy his claim on the basis of this Quranic injunction alone, if he ever returns. He will be roundly denounced as an impostor. By what authority, he will be questioned, did he abrogate the proclamation of the Quran that he was merely a prophet to the House of Israel? As long as the Quran defines him as such, his identity will never be changed; he was and will always remain a prophet to the House of Israel.

, a Prophet to the children of Israel , 1

Ours is an age when the fundamentalists have overexcited the sensibility of the Muslim masses to the issue of blasphemy. Evidently, the life of Jesus will not be safer in the hands of Muslim fanatics than it was in the hands of the Jewish people. Moreover, he will have to face other multifarious dangers which he did not encounter during his first advent. The world of Islam is split into schisms far more sharply and intolerantly than the world of Judaism was at the time of Jesus Christas.

The threat to his life will be grave no matter where he lands in a Muslim state—if he ever lands! If his landing strip happens to be in Iran, evidently he will be subjected to a gruelling examination regarding his doctrinal position. Does he believe in the twelve Imams or does he reject them? Does he believe in the Khilafat of Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Uthman or does he not? Does he believe in the unbroken continuity of succession of Hazrat 'Ali to the Holy Foundersa of Islam? If he conforms to the Shi'ite beliefs in answer to these questions, the threat to his life will still not be averted because of the additional problem of the disappearance of the twelfth Imam. It will be demanded of him as to how he dared return to earth alone while their Holy twelfth Imam (Al-Mahdi) is still in hiding somewhere in space. Without the personal testimony of that Imam to the truth of Jesusas, he will most certainly be stigmatized and penalized for being false.

If he is found guilty of endorsing the right to Khilafat of the first three Caliphs, Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat 'Umar and Hazrat 'Uthman (may Allah be pleased with them), he will be denounced even more vehemently as an impostor. After this, his being condemned to death would be but a routine procedure of Shi'ite jurisprudence.

However, if he descends in a Sunni territory while holding Shi'ite views, no sooner will he land than be despatched back to heaven. If on the other hand he holds Sunni views, his life will still not be out of danger because each of the Sunni sects dwelling in that country would require him to testify to the truth of their beliefs, or be rejected as a liar. It is hard to conceive Jesus Christas converting to the Barelvi faith or becoming a Wahhabi fundamentalist the moment he touches down in their respective countries. Whichever of the two will he claim as his own? Either way it will be tantamount to bargaining for a death warrant issued by the clergy of the other.

The reason for this condemnation would not just be his belonging to a different sect; the reason for his condemnation to death would be his imposture as a true prophet of God. No true prophet of God can hold wrong religious views they will argue. Each sect would judge Jesusas by the testimony of their own beliefs; none will judge their beliefs by the testimony of Jesusas.

There will also arise the question as to which school of jurisprudence he belongs. Will he belong to the school of Hazrat Imam Malik or that of Imam Abu Hanifa or Imam Shafe'i or Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal? Having had no experience of such juristic wrangles, he will find himself helplessly trapped in the middle of this rigmarole. How he would wish that he had never ever returned to earth! Even if he is accepted by the sect whose garb he finally decides to wear, he will be strongly rejected by the remaining seventy-one sects. Over and above this will he not continue to confront the danger of rejection by all on the basis of the Quranic verse mentioned above, which declares him to be merely a prophet to the House of Israel?

The shout of 'Go back to where you really belong' may be heard from the mouth of any fanatic in the assembled crowd. 'Take off and re-route your flight to the State of Israel,' may well be curtly demanded of him. 'If you are man enough to face a retrial at their hands, go to the Jewish people and prove your true identity.'

What shall God do at this new turn of events one wonders. Will He command the angels to hasten to Jesus'as rescue once again, lifting him to the same remote celestial abode? Or will he be abandoned by God to shift for himself at the mercy of the Muslim or the Jewish clergy? Whether he will be re-crucified by Israelite soldiers in the state of Israel or whether he will be hung till death by a Muslim hangman, is a question which only the future will tell—if he ever visits this miserable world of ours again. Far more than his previous advent, he will find the new one to be a mission impossible.

JN A MORE SERIOUS NOTE, we beg to remind the reader that when religion is interpreted without rationality, when faith is divorced of reason, all that they give birth to are myths without legitimacy and legends without substance. Mindless trustees of faith succeed only in making a mockery of Divine wisdom.

The great scholars of medieval ages who failed to understand the true import of such prophecies can genuinely be excused. Theirs was a different age. Their understanding of the world and the cosmos around it was as yet merely conjectural. But the contemporary medievalists who are born and raised in this age of enlightenment have no justification for their gross misreading of Divine prophecies. The soul of holy Jesusas, the true servant of God, has undoubtedly returned to Him to occupy the lofty station he is assigned. The Jesus they await is a mere fantasy of their own minds. What does one care therefore, if that phantom figure is crucified or stabbed to death or hung a thousand times! The whole episode of Jesus' bodily ascent and preservation somewhere in space, merely to fulfil the future need for a prophet, is so provocative to the human sense of propriety! Add to this the impunity of their attributing this nonsense to God and wonder what stuff their minds are made of !

Let the world of Islam get rid of this fantasy once and for all and let the clerics who nurture it get lost. The death of their age will usher in the age of the revival of Islam.

Last, but not least, there is yet another strong objection against the suggestion that a prophet of Israel could be somehow trimmed to fit into the robe of a Muslim prophet. How can the orthodox clergy forget that during his absence from earth the Holy Quran could not have been revealed to Jesus simultaneously with the Holy Prophet Muhammadsa. This angle of observation raises many difficult questions for the clergy to answer. The foremost among them is the issue of his conversion. When and from whom did he learn that the greatest of all the prophets had appeared down below on earth? Did he testify to his truth forthwith becoming a believer? If he did become one—the first ever in space—how did he learn to practice Islam without knowing anything of the Quran?

As such, whether the Quran was revealed to him directly by God through the Archangel Gabriel, is the highly crucial question which must be addressed and answered.

If the Quran was revealed to him while he was still in space, he would certainly have become a partner prophet to Prophet Muhammadsa, like Aaronas was to Mosesas, both enjoying an almost similar status. If the Quran was not revealed directly to him through the archangel, what would be the nature of his faith before his return to earth? Had he remained a Judeo-Christian while Islam had been declared by God as the last universal religion of mankind? Was he treated as an exceptional case and allowed to remain a non-Muslim after the advent of the Holy Foundersa of Islam? If not, then one cannot escape the logical conclusion that the Quran must have been revealed to him somehow.

Will the Mullahs suggest that instead of the archangel, the Holy Prophetsa should himself have delivered the message to him? But the problem is that when the Holy Prophetsa delivered the message of the Quran to his companions no intermediary agent was required. Whatever was revealed to him through the archangel, he directly passed it on to his companions. But Jesus, according to the medieval Mullahs, was sitting high above somewhere in the heavens with no possible direct link with the Holy Prophetsa. So there are only two options left. Either he should be considered as totally unaware of the revelation of the Quran till his eventual return to earth, or the Quran should only be revealed to Jesus as a message from the Holy Prophetsa. But how can this message be lifted to him while in space unless the archangel is again involved in this exercise? The scenario which develops is so insulting and so abhorrent that a true believer cannot entertain it even for a moment. Imagine the archangel delivering the Holy Quran to the Holy Prophetsa and then begging him to recite it back to him so that he could deliver it to Jesus as a message from the Holy Prophetsa and not from God.

Returning to the issue of Jesus' conversion to Islam, if the Quran was not revealed to Jesus at all, but he believed in the Holy Prophetsa in a vague nondescript manner, then at best he could be described as a non-practising Muslim with no knowledge of Quranic teachings. The common herd of Muslims anywhere on earth could claim a better status in Islam despite their ignorance. How would a Jesus such as this be welcomed back to earth by the great Muslim theologians and clerics of the time? To redress his ignorance will he be rushed to the presence of the Imam Al-Mahdi the instant he lands so that he could be initiated without further loss of time? No sooner than he accepts Islam, will he be offered the chair of judgement over all the conflicting Muslim sects? When and by whom will he be taught Islam fast enough to discharge such grave responsibilities with absolute precision and perfection?

If the clergy insist that he must have been recommissioned as a Muslim prophet, while still in space before his descent to earth, then how could he be treated as an old prophet of the pre-Islamic era?

To conclude, the borrowing of a prophet from a pre-Islamic era requires that either he is recommissioned in space as a new prophet in Islam after the advent of the last Prophet, or he is to be converted after his descent to earth and then recommissioned as a Muslim prophet.

However much this bizarre idea of inherent contradictions may appear devoid of all common sense to the rest of the world, the orthodox clergy is not perturbed in the least. Reason and rationality have no role to play in their understanding of Divine prophecies. They take them literally without ever realizing what damage this may do to the cause of Islam. It is this madness which is largely responsible for all the chaos we observe today prevailing in their perceptions, hopes and aspirations.

All said and done, the borrowing of a non-Muslim prophet from a pre-Islamic age does not transpire to be as profitable as it appeared to the clergy. It is a tribute to their relentless obstinacy that they would much rather have a convert prophet from space than a prophet born here on earth, within Islam. They do so because there are many more advantages from this fairy tale visit of Jesus to be gained. He, as a visitor from space, would not be the same ordinary human prophet as he was but would have amassed prodigal superhuman powers unheard of in the history of prophethood before his return to earth.

This mythical image of Jesus is evidently created by their same tendency to over-literalize prophecies. Evidently they do not care what price they have to pay for the folly of rejecting reason and rationality. To Jesus Christ they assign the task of salvaging whatever remains of the dignity and honour of Islam in the latter days. It will be he, they believe, who will launch a single-handed powerful offensive against the anti-Christ on a global scale. Having roundly defeated and destroyed the anti-Christ—the one-eyed monster, Jesus will hand over the keys of his world dominion to the people of Islam, and will also distribute the immense treasure and riches which he will have amassed. Thus all the spoils of his war against the anti-Christ will he lay at the feet of the Muslim Ummah.

The orthodoxy's vision of Jesus' re-advent when he will literally smash all the crosses in the world to smithereens.

HAVING RESOLVED their political and economic problems, he will turn his full attention to such prophecies as relate to religion. He will start by launching his campaign against Christianity. His strategy will be to break every cross in the world, whatever material it is made of. He will visit every cathedral, every monastery, every church, every temple, every Christian hermitage. He will walk every street of every township and stare at every passer-by in search of any cross. Ladies perhaps will become the prime object of his scrutiny because he will be aware of their despicable habit of having crosses engraved upon their jewellery and ornaments. He will take care of the fact that they also wear crosses hanging around their necks. Thus he will snatch away every bangle, every bracelet, every pendant and earring with the sign of the cross upon it. Woe to the ladies who dare to cross the path of that Jesus, but where can they escape and hide, the poor defenceless wretches? He will enter every house and search every cabinet and jewellery box. Every wall and every corner will be scanned. Crosses must be literally broken and wiped out from the face of earth. Until he has accomplished this task to the full he will not rest in peace. This is the vision of the Muslim orthodoxy of the mission of Jesus Christ if ever he returns to earth, but that is not all.

Having completely disposed of the symbol of Trinity, he would then turn to another task which prophecies assign to him, if they are taken literally. He will lose no time in beginning to kill every non-Muslim inhabiting the world. Either they must convert to Islam or they must die—these will be their only options. He will go about this slaughtering business in a rather unusual way. He will breathe fire like a mythical dragon, while no myth has ever presented such a dragon before, even in the wildest tales of fantasy. His blazing breath will scorch to death innumerable infidels even when they are miles away from him. Those within the reach of his sword, will have their heads stricken off and made to roll. He will identify them unmistakably because on the forehead of each non-believer would appear the imprint in bold: Al-Kafir, the non-believer. Thus he will leave none alive except the Muslims, and the de-Christianized Christians of course, who will be left without a single cross to worship. Hence the curtain will fall upon this unique carnage by the imaginary Jesus, filling the entire earth with fetid odour, an obnoxious stench of rotting bodies, some slaughtered, some scorched to death. Hatred will generate more hatred, bloodshed will lead to more bloodshed.

The imaginary Jesus as painted by Christian artists, is shown in the vision of the Muslim orthodoxy as carrying a sword in hand during the carnage of the swine.

THE LAST GORY ACT of Jesus upon the earth will be to annihilate the species of swine. No quarter will be granted to pigs. All boars and all sows and all their brood will be put to the sword—each one of them. Hand on sword, fire in breath, Jesus will visit every township, every village, every street, every house, every shack and every sty in search of the hiding rascals. He will visit every wilderness, will thrash all the bushes of Africa, and will hunt for them in the rain-forests of South America. China will not be spared for that matter, nor will Japan. The islands of the South Pacific will also be combed where the flesh of pig is considered a highly prized delicacy.

Evidently no prophet of God in the entire history of mankind has ever performed such bloody, filthy feats as are attributed to the Jesus Christ envisioned by the Muslim orthodoxy. This is what the clergy in Islam have done to the profound wisdom of the Holy Prophetsa. They have failed to penetrate across the bodies of letters to reach the soul and spirit of the prophecy they contained.

The real task assigned to the Promised Christ in this prophecy was to purify the human society from inhuman behaviour and some evil habits which the swine symbolizes. There are many animals and birds which steal the fruits of the farmer's labour for the sake of their survival but do not destroy the crops and trees just for the fun of it. The swine stands out among all the animals in this destructive tendency. The swine is also notorious for eating the corpses of its young ones. No other non-marine animals are known to devour their young ones when they die. A bloodthirsty lion, or even a ferocious wolf, will rather die of hunger, woefully sitting beside the dead bodies of their brood, than to even dream of eating their flesh. Dogs do not eat the corpses of their dead puppies either. Pigs and boars, it should be remembered, are vegetarians, yet by some devilish instinct they relish eating the corpses of their young ones. Evidently therefore, the message implied in this prophecy has to be to wage a Holy War against the perverted habit of humans to be inclined to genocide and to feel free to usurp the rights of the weak. The pig's habit of eating its own piglets could be likened to the child abuse of the modern age. Child abuse may be directed against one's own children or against the children of others, either way it is swinish in character. Recently it has become a subject of common talk in modern society, so needs no further elaboration. No other animal can match humans in this ugliness.

War against evil has always been the occupation of prophets. As such, Jesus Christ in his second advent would be no oddity among them if his second advent is understood to be metaphorical. But a Jesus such as the one who is idolized by the Muslim clergy—a literal murderer of the swine—is what they need and await to welcome. The moment this apple of their eyes arrives and discharges his task of eliminating the pig species from the animal kingdom, he must needs be applauded. So will he be applauded and befitting homage would be paid to his last glorious days spent on the planet earth.

Glory be to Lord Jesus will be chanted over sea, over land, over hill, over dale. The church bells will not toll for the carnage he will make but the minarets will resound with the shouts of the Muezzin heard far and wide, Allah-O-Akbar, Allah-O-Akbar, God is the Greatest, God is the Greatest—and glory be to our saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.

Lastly, before Jesus' departure from earth, there is yet another highly important business for him to conduct, but in this he must be assisted by the Mullah. Throughout it has been only Jesus Christ serving the cause of the Mullah. Let the Mullah serve his cause now, for once at least! All that Jesus would demand of the Mullahs after his global exploits would be to help him in the task of getting married. After the ruinous trail of rampage and bloodshed that he would have left behind, marriage would not be an unwelcome change for him.

If the Mullah has any serious regard for the literal fulfilment of prophecies he must find him a highly gifted young Muslim damsel who should not fail to bear him children. Christ is about to be married! Some great Mullah must be found to read his wedding sermon and enquire from the would be father-in-law of Christ if he consents to give the hand of his daughter to that of Jesus. After his consent would come the turn of Jesus, at last, to confirm the proposed marriage. What happy moments, what ecstasy! After a celibacy of two thousand years or more he would stand up and nod his head in affirmation "Yes I do, O loving Mullah, yes I do". In what better manner could the exploits of Jesus Christ be celebrated than that! From North to South, from East to West, hymns will be sung in his praise and marriage songs will fill the air with their sweet melody. All that is left for him is to hopefully wait for the delivery of his blessed first-born with a holy string of other sons and daughters to follow. Thus by producing children at the ripe old age of two thousand years plus, he will create the greatest of all the miracles he had ever worked. His spirit has always been strong but the flesh too would not lag behind in strength it seems. What a miracle indeed that the passage of time makes him grow even stronger, while old age is left buried far behind in the land of his youthful first advent. Finally, the hour of death will arrive, but what a glorious enviable death it will be! Blessed be the day he was born and blessed be the way he will die.

This is the enchanting tale of Jesus which, if ever realised, the Mullahs will always tell their pupils in every Madrasah of Islamic instruction, year after year, generation after generation.

AMORE GRUESOME example is hard to find in the entire history of religion of how Divine prophecies are mutilated out of shape, by a mindless materialist clergy. But this is not a prerogative of the Muslim clergy alone. Whenever and wherever the priesthood takes over the command of religious orders they are likely to turn facts into fiction and realities into myths. This is the price man always pays for entrusting his faith to a hierarchy divested of common sense and reason, unable to distinguish between fair and foul. Whatever their business, rationality is not a commodity in which they trade.

The most tragic of all the religious leaders of the world is the case of the Muslim priesthood. The vain hopes they build for the ultimate victory of Islam are based utterly on misconstrued prophecies turned into mirages and illusions. They are no longer fit to lead any religious order, let alone Islam! They are no longer fit to follow any prophet of God, be he old or new.

Their vision of the final victory of Islam, attained entirely by the might of Jesus, absolves them of any role to play in the final struggle for the victory of Islam. In truth, what they need is not a prophet but an enslaved giant. They fail to realize that the type of Jesus for whom they aspire has never appeared in the entire comity of prophets before. No prophet is mentioned in the Quran or in any other scripture who would fight single-handedly for the supremacy of his people while they sit idly by. This is what the Jews demanded of Mosesas and were denied. If the final victory of any religion can thus be achieved without blood, sweat or toil, where is there room for a prophet of God who invariably calls to the path of sacrifices? Their vision of a prodigal Jesus corresponds to a genie rather than that of a Divine Reformer. The real issue with them has never been a choice between an old prophet or a new one, it has always been between a genie and a prophet. Their attitude is reminiscent of a tale from the classic work of A Thousand and One Nights.

Once upon a time, so it is narrated, a magician in the guise of a vendor roamed the streets of Baghdad shouting at the top of his voice, 'Old lamps for new! Old lamps for new!' Many a housewife rushed to the door to have her old lamp swapped for the new ones he offered. A happy bargain indeed, they thought, and so it was. Yet there was one exception. Little did one of the housewives know that when she exchanged her old lamp for a new one offered by the swindler, the old lamp she was giving away had imprisoned in it a genie with almost unlimited powers. She had no idea that the owner of that lamp could also become the master of the genie. Hence, the interest of the swindler was in the prisoner of the lamp, not in the lamp itself. If that genie could be possessed by swapping a million new lamps for one that is old, no greater bargain could be conceived.

In reality the Mullahs are neither interested in a new lamp lit by the light of Muhammadsa nor are they interested in the old lamp of the Ummah of Mosesas. All they are interested in is the prodigal Jesus of their fancy deemed to be trapped therein. No Divine torch of prophethood means anything to them. A prophet is not what they care for and a prophet is not what they require. All that they need is a giant slave who would lead them to all the worldly riches at their bidding.

Political and economic domination of the world is their only ambition for which they are most ill-equipped. All that they are trained for is the letting of Muslim blood at the hands of other Muslims butchered by the knives of others Muslims.

Any bloody revolution brought about by Mullahcracy in any Muslim country should not mislead others. In no way can it upset the balance of power in the world. To dream of world domination without scientific and technological advancement, to hope for tilting the existing balance of power without boosting their own economy and revolutionizing their industry; to challenge the might of great world powers without the capability of manufacturing highly advanced and sophisticated military hardware is ultimate madness. What little, one may ask, do they have to achieve their goal?

The Mullahs must realize that their blatant distortion of the great prophecies of the Holy Foundersa of Islam will not go unpunished. It will bring them and those whom they lead to nothing but utter ruin. This is the price they must pay for the crime of perverting the wisdom of God. Let them stand on a corner and watch the days and nights slip by. Let them watch the heavenly tracks and strain their ears to listen to the descending footsteps of their mythical saviour from the voids of space. Let them live on and on in hope, and perish again and again in despair, generation after generation after generation. None will ever come to rescue them from the entangled web of their own twisted vision and contradictions between their ideals and practice. Every moment that passes, every second that ticks by, the fear of God is fast vanishing from their daily life. Honesty, justice, selfless sacrifice, mutual brotherly love and respect for other's property have become values of the bygone days—still dearly remembered, but widely shunned. With what yearning they are talked about, with what love and tenderness they are treasured, but only in the storehouses of memories!

Theft, robbery, murder, child abuse, abduction, fornication, adultery, prostitution, fraud, and deceit are only registered by those whom they strike. Others live with them in an unholy alliance. Gang rapes committed in broad daylight by the very custodians of peace; bribery, corruption and brazen-faced violations of law by their lordships, who are supposed to be the defenders of justice—a society where the wardens of peace lynch and murder peace, a society where disorder is the only order of the day. Yet strangely enough, it is not altogether bereft of its sense of right and wrong. It hates the evil it generates itself, it abhors the horrors it commits. It is sick to death of the pollution it exhales. Everywhere, everyday the evils are decried by the very people who exude them. They are castigated, condemned and censured at such tempo as its resonance can be heard from one end to the other, from the lofty legislative chambers to the lowly shacks of the destitute. Yet how dearly they are embraced at the same time, how firmly clasped, how faithfully adhered to in everyday life at all tiers of society! Their deeds display what their mouths condemn. This is the lie they live or the death they daily die but call it life. Where are the custodians of Muslim values and where are the torch-bearers of decent conduct? Are there any who would lose a single moment of their sweet sleep over these bitter realities? Why should it matter anyway, and what do the Mullahs care! What difference could it make to a society which has been induced to believe that the hour of Divine Decree will finally strike and Jesusas, son of Mary, will descend from his heavenly abode to raise Muslims such as these to the lofty chambers of command. It would be they who would carve and shape the destiny of the world. Thus the Mullahs lullaby the Muslim masses to sleep 'until such time as the Lord of the Christian West will desert their cause and rise in full glory as the Lord of the Muslim East'. Why then, should the Mullah ever bother about the moral destitution of the herds he leads? Why work for their reformation and strive hard needlessly to redeem them from their hopeless state of morbidity? Patience, patience, is the only panacea—just wait for the hour to strike!

WOE TO SUCH AN HOUR of destiny if it ever strikes! Damnation is the name for it. For the creatures of Allah to be subjected to the rule of the Mullah is sheer abomination. Jesus Christ! Could he ever permit himself to stoop so low! Could he ever be a party to such a blatant crime! No—not he! Jesus or no Jesus, no prophet of God would ever debase himself to champion the cause of a depraved people. It is a task fit only for a power-hungry demagogue who would not be reluctant even to become a king of beasts let alone of a beastly people. With or without the help of a Jesus he would not hesitate to step upon the shoulders of prophets to achieve his ambition.

The Mullahs' dreams are madder than those of a mad hatter's but how can they ever be realized? Mad dreams never turn darkness into light, nor do they ever break the dawn of a new day. It is always the dawn of a new day which breaks and shatters such dreams. Let the Mullah sleep forever. Let the empty chambers of his brain be filled with as many illusions as would feed upon his limitless craving for power. Let the people of Islam wake up and wish him to sink into a deep sleep till Doomsday. Let the sleeping Mullah lie and sink into a deeper sleep. And let him leave the Ummah of the Holy Prophetsa alone to begin to see the light of the day.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
An Overview

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a dynamic, fast growing international revival movement within Islam. Founded in 1889, it spans over 195 countries with membership exceeding tens of millions. Its current headquarters are in the United Kingdom.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the only Islamic organization to believe that the long-awaited Messiah has come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) (1835-1908) of Qadian. Ahmad(as) claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus(as) of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad(sa). Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believes that God sent Ahmad(as), like Jesus(as), to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. Ahmad’s(as) advent has brought about an unprecedented era of Islamic revival. He divested Islam of fanatical beliefs and practices by vigorously championing Islam’s true and essential teachings. He also recognized the noble teachings of the great religious founders and saints, including Zoroaster(as), Abraham(as), Moses(as), Jesus(as), Krishna(as), Buddha(as), Confucius(as), Lao Tzu and Guru Nanak, and explained how such teachings converged into the one true Islam.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the leading Islamic organization to categorically reject terrorism in any form. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as) emphatically declared that an aggressive “jihad by the sword” has no place in Islam. In its place, he taught his followers to wage a bloodless, intellectual “jihad of the pen” to defend Islam. To this end, Ahmad(as) penned over 80 books and tens of thousands of letters, delivered hundreds of lectures, and engaged in scores of public debates. His rigorous and rational defenses of Islam unsettled conventional Muslim thinking. As part of its effort to revive Islam, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community continues to spread Ahmad’s(as) teachings of moderation and restraint in the face of bitter opposition from parts of the Muslim world.

Similarly, it is the only Islamic organization to endorse a separation of mosque and state. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as)  taught his followers to protect the sanctity of both religion and government by becoming righteous souls as well as loyal citizens. He cautioned against irrational interpretations of Quranic pronouncements and misapplications of Islamic law. He continually voiced his concerns over protecting the rights of God’s creatures. Today, it continues to be an advocate for universal human rights and protections for religious and other minorities. It champions the empowerment and education of women. Its members are among the most law-abiding, educated, and engaged Muslims in the world.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the foremost Islamic organization with a central spiritual leader. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as) reminded his followers of God’s promise to safeguard the message of Islam through khilafat (the spiritual institution of successorship to prophethood). It believes that only spiritual successorship can uphold the true values of Islam and unite humanity. Five spiritual leaders have succeeded Ahmad(as) since his demise in 1908. It’s fifth and current spiritual head, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, resides in the United Kingdom. Under the leadership of its spiritual successors, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has now built over 15,000 mosques, over 500 schools, and over 30 hospitals. It has translated the Holy Quran into over 60 languages. It propagates the true teachings of Islam and the message of peace and tolerance through a twenty-four hour satellite television channel (MTA), the Internet (alislam.org) and print (Islam International Publications). It has been at the forefront of worldwide disaster relief through an independent charitable organization, Humanity First.

i dont know why people do make unreasonable conclusions about things they do not have full knowledge of!!! the bible haas told you make investigation and stick to the truth. look
@frosbel, start asking your questions one after the other and by God's grace i would give you the necessary replies
1) the birth of jesus is no a new thing. there are more miraculous birth of people than that of jesus. the birth of jesus is more understood if one studies the phenomenon of pathenogenesis. in the bible,hebrews 7:1-3, 'for this mel-chis'e-dec, king of salem, priest of the most high God, who meet Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and bless him; to whom Abraham gave a tenth path of all ; first been by interpretation king of righteousness, and after that also king of salem, which is king of peace; without father, without mother, without decent, having neither begining of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the son of God; abideth a priest continually. adam was born without any parent eve also without mother

2)may God Almighty forgive you for that statement of yours that Holy Prophet Muhammed was worshipping idols till the age of 41. THAT IS A BLATANT LIE. he neva worshipped idols through out his life

3) His been an illitrate is a miracle and also a prove that the quran is a true book. the disbelievers of mecca do not believe him, but they were surprised that how could he have gotten this kind of inspiration. that was why they were forced to say "it is not but a lie which he has forged, and other people have helped him with it." indeed, they have brought forth an injustice and an untruth. and they say fables of the ancients; and he has got them written down, and they are dictated to him morning and evening   (25:5-6)

peace be on every one. JESUS HAS ALREADY COME. its left for those who are 'reasonable' to accept him. he is HAZRAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD OF QADIAN. Do not be hasty in rejecting him. take up your bible and check out for the verse where Jesus interpreted the second coming of Elijah as the been fulfilled in person of John the Baptist. he also said in matt 23:39 'for i say unto you, ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. the jesus of nazareth is dead, the jesus that is going to come is the spiritual advent of the israelite jesus. for more info   check www.alislam.org/topics/jesus/

You all are just making issues getting complicted for yourselves. This issue is quite clear and obvious. Jesus is dead and he is never going to come back to this world. Its is anothe person who is going to come in his name and power. If you like accept it or reject it.
The quran did not say that jesus was raised to heaven, it says nay Allah raised him to Himself. I dont know if you are now restricting Him to a particular place. He said He is the one who created the heavens and the earth, the question is where was He before the creation.
You say that the holy prophet say him in the second heaven, he must have been dead before entring into it.
Some claim that in sura maryam, where he was saying peace be on me the day i was born the day i will die and the day i will be raised up again, means that he is not dead. May be hazrat Yahya who also said the same is not dead, (it might be a reason for seeing them together in the same place by the holy prophet.)
for arguments sake let us accept all such claims of religious leaders having ascended to heaven and take them at their face value. If the case of jesus christ's reported ascent is ti be treated in a superficial sense and his second coming to be interpreted as literal and real then there is no reason why we should refuse to accept other similar cases in the world. Why make an exception of Elijah; king of salem; the twelfth imam of the shiite faction in islam;the ascension of Hindu gods; or other similar holy men and the so-called personification of God? It is safer, therefore, to avoid entering into such unproductive, futile debates with those who entertain such beliefs. One may enquire, from all such credulous believers in fantasy if they can point out a single revisit, in person, of those who are reported to have disappeared by ascending into remove heavenly recesses. Can all of human history present a single example of the bodily return of any person to this world who is reported to have bodily ascended? Show me if there is one.

You all are just making issues getting complicted for yourselves. This issue is quite clear and obvious. Jesus is dead and he is never going to come back to this world. Its is anothe person who is going to come in his name and power. If you like accept it or reject it.
The quran did not say that jesus was raised to heaven, it says nay Allah raised him to Himself. I dont know if you are now restricting Him to a particular place. He said He is the one who created the heavens and the earth, the question is where was He before the creation.
You say that the holy prophet say him in the second heaven, he must have been dead before entring into it.
Some claim that in sura maryam, where he was saying peace be on me the day i was born the day i will die and the day i will be raised up again, means that he is not dead. May be hazrat Yahya who also said the same is not dead, (it might be a reason for seeing them together in the same place by the holy prophet.)
for arguments sake let us accept all such claims of religious leaders having ascended to heaven and take them at their face value. If the case of jesus christ's reported ascent is ti be treated in a superficial sense and his second coming to be interpreted as literal and real then there is no reason why we should refuse to accept other similar cases in the world. Why make an exception of Elijah; king of salem; the twelfth imam of the shiite faction in islam;the ascension of Hindu gods; or other similar holy men and the so-called personification of God? It is safer, therefore, to avoid entering into such unproductive, futile debates with those who entertain such beliefs. One may enquire, from all such credulous believers in fantasy if they can point out a single revisit, in person, of those who are reported to have disappeared by ascending into remove heavenly recesses. Can all of human history present a single example of the bodily return of any person to this world who is reported to have bodily ascended? Show me if there is one.

sokislam:
The Ressurection was not a make-up, it was a reality. This was an event confirmed by history. So Abuzola be aware incase u don't knowabout that before.

the resurrection theory is not supported by any history. If you want to use history to support your idea, you would find out that jesus never died on the cross neither did he resurrected.
I would like to ask you why is it that spices and ointment was prepared for him after been brought down from the cross? Its likely you say that it is the jewish custom of burying their dead ones, as said by john. This is a false statement. Researchers have discovered through this that john is not a jew. It is not possible for him to be ignorant of the jewish tradition if truly he was a jew. The jews dont treat their dead ones like that.
That ointment is very powerful and medicinal and it is still used in the field of medicine today. If it is that the disciples belived that he is dead, they would not have made any preparation of this kind.

uplawal:
ahmadist are cultist,they dnt follow the hadiths,they keep praying to dead patrons,pure dead worshippers

you better start seeking for forgiveness. Allah says in sura hajj 22:30; "shun therefore the abomination of idols and shun all words of untruth".

uplawal:
ahmadist are cultist,they dnt follow the hadiths,they keep praying to dead patrons,pure dead worshippers

you better start seeking for forgiveness. Allah says in sura hajj 22:30; "shun therefore the abomination of idols and shun all words of untruth".

uplawal:
ahmadist are cultist,they dnt follow the hadiths,they keep praying to dead patrons,pure dead worshippers

you better start seeking for forgiveness. Allah says in sura hajj 22:30; "shun therefore the abomination of idols and shun all words of untruth".

@olabowale, you are just talking without evidence from the quran. Use the quran to support your self. Give evidence of TAWAFFA meaning otherwise from the quran.
In 3:55, God says i will cause you to die. Accepted that its going to be a future occurence, why is the action of 'raising' not a future happening when it is also used in a future tone like the word TAWAFFA? Are you trying to arrange the quran for God? He says that He has arranged everything accordingly, so why dont you accept it the way He said it?
If you accept that others that are called god beside Allah are living, then challenge God Himself.
I dont know may be jesus was not made God before the revelation of the quran.
Know that if rafaha means to take up bodily, then according to that, many people are up there whom we must be expecting their advent.
As for jesus's preaching in india, i would post it when i have a chance for it. You can also go to google and find out about the lost children of israel. You will know that they dispersed in to different places. As at the time jesus was crucified, it was only two tribes out of the twelve tribes that were there. The remaining ten must also hear his message.
Go to google and search for jesus in india, you will see that many historians also have testified to the fact that he died there.

@abuzola, check my previous post, i have already explained it there.
I would like both of you to explain ch 23:50 for me.

sokislam:
In response to that Niyi, that shows that u never read my earlier post about the jewish timing system and I am not going to repeat that again, you can check my previous post on that.

Then you said that Jesus did not really died on the cross but later went somewhere and continued his life. I am not really surprised that you Muslims don't never comes to term about the death of Christ

Some group of Muslims believes that Jesus really died; namely a natural death (which if you ask them they cannot tell), while some said he survived the cross and lived somewhere in india to continue his life and yet another school of thought says that he was actually taken away by Allah and was prevented from seeing the wrath of man.

And do u know the interesting thing about this? the Qur'an says that "33.  "And Salâm (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!"

34. Such is 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (it is) a statement of truth, about which they doubt (or dispute). "

Qur'an 19 v 33 - 34.

This is the fulfilment of the words of Isa, and the Muslims are at loggerheah  over it! Wake up my brother!

the muslims who believe he died a natural death are those who said he died in india. I know that the muslims are divided into two on this matter. But the fact still remain that jesus did not die on the cross.
In understood the jewish timing you explained to me. But if i apply it to the description which jesus is making, it does not fit into it.
You said 12 hours was a day for them. Therefore, as jesus said 3 days and 3 nights, he was to spend {12 * (3+3)} days={12*6}=72 hours. This is approximately 3 days of our own reckoning. But jesus was placed in the sepulchere on (1st night)friday night was there on saturday morning(1st day) saturday night(2 night) WAS NOT THERE ON SUNDAY MORNING. Where are the remaining days and night?. (may be he spent it in hell.)
pls explain his similarity in the event of entering the heart of the earth.

sokislam:
The death of Jesus is not an issue in the Bible, but the Muslims are trying to help Jesus. How can u accept the fact that Jesus died (anyway) but no on the cross?

What kind of line of reasoning is that?

i niyi53, believe that jesus did not die on the cross, but was saved by God, and he later migrated towards the east in search of the remaining lost tribes of israel, then later died there.
The bible account is not sufficient to prove the death of jesus on the cross.
I was asking you to explain matt. 12:40, but you did not. Jesus said he would spend three days and three night in the heart of the earth. According to the gospels, he did not spend so. It is recorded that on friday, he was placed into the sepulcher on friday and by sunday morning, he was not found there. He therefore spent 2 nights and 1 day in the earth.
Is jesus a lair? If no, then why was the reckoning not complete?
As regard been similar to jonah, if it is said that jesus died before been placed in to the sepulchre, then what is the similarity btw jesus and jonah, because jonah never died before entering into the whale, nor was he dead in it, nor was he dead when he came out. To a casual observer who witnessed when he was thrown into the sea, he would believe that he is dead.
If it is that jesus did die, then why making this false prophesy? For this would make him a liar.
As for the idea of jesus been dead, bear it in mind that the jews who witnessed the event were not sure maybe he died or not. Some said he died before he was placed on the cross, while some believe that he died on the cross. (in a court of law, this statement would be scrutinized very well as it does not establish the truthfulness of his death)

Why dont you find out the verse which says jesus is in the second heaven, yahya also with him, and so on? There is no such verse in the quran! I have read the quran from the begining to the end and i have never come across such verse.

The verse of the quran you quoted about taking covenent from prophets NEVER mentioned that such a prophet would be on earth walking, (3:81).

As for whether the quoted hadith is authentic or not, thats a baseless idea. Do you think the hadith we are having is only confined to the six authentic hadith? Let me tell you, there is no book authentic as the quran. It is having first class authenticity. May be you have not heard of kanzul ummal, baihaqi, hakam, musnad ibn hambal, dar u qutni and so on. Even hadith abu daud, is considered to be having some weak hadith in it. Even bukhari is also considered by some scholars to be having some weak traditions in it.
I want the two of you to prove from the quran that jesus was really raised bodily to heaven while asleep.
I would like to know how jesus is eating up there as God says in sura ambiya,8, and we gave them not a body that eats not nor were they to live eternally.

I think you are having sahih muslim? In it, the holy prophet said "kayfa antum iza nazala fiikum ibn maryam wa imamukum minkun"(how will you be when the son of mary descend among you and he will be an imam from among you), in another statement of the same book he used "wa am makum minkum"(and he will be an imam from among you). This tradition is making us know that the jesus would be from among the muslim umma.
I have already presented to you the tradition in which the holy prophet stated that jesus spent 120 yrs, and in that tradition, the holy prophet said that he would spend half of the age jesus spent. If therefore jesus is still alive, then the holy prophet is to still be alive.

I think you are having sahih muslim? In it, the holy prophet said "kayfa antum iza nazala fiikum ibn maryam wa imamukum minkun"(how will you be when the son of mary descend among you and he will be an imam from among you), in another statement of the same book he used "wa am makum minkum"(and he will be an imam from among you). This tradition is making us know that the jesus would be from among the muslim umma.
I have already presented to you the tradition in which the holy prophet stated that jesus spent 120 yrs, and in that tradition, the holy prophet said that he would spend half of the age jesus spent. If therefore jesus is still alive, then the holy prophet is to still be alive.

If MUTAWAFFI KA in means sleep in that context, it means you believe he is sleeping up there in heaven. How absurd is that idea.
In sura maryam, 33, he says 'and He has made me blessed whereso ever i may be, and has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as i live.
If he is sleeping, and he is not yet dead, how is he going to observe this commandment he says Allah has giving to him? Because he says "AS LONG AS I LIVE",from this also it means he is dead.
In 3:144, Allah says and muhammad is only but a messenger. Verily,all messengers have passed away before him,
If jesus is alive, God would have made the exception. About the destruction of the people of lut, God made us know that he will destroy all of them with the exception of the family of lut. He also made the exception of his wife from his family.
Concerning the nations which did not accept the message of God, God said that He destroyed all of them EXCEPT the people of Yunus. God made the exception clear. Therefore, if jesus be alive, He would have made it clear explicit. As for bukhari been the most authentic tradition, know that the shite do not accept the six authentic hadith. They believe and accept the musnad as superior followed by the rest. But i do not say i do not accept it.

If MUTAWAFFI KA in means sleep in that context, it means you believe he is sleeping up there in heaven. How absurd is that idea.
In sura maryam, 33, he says 'and He has made me blessed whereso ever i may be, and has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as i live.
If he is sleeping, and he is not yet dead, how is he going to observe this commandment he says Allah has giving to him? Because he says "AS LONG AS I LIVE",from this also it means he is dead.
In 3:144, Allah says and muhammad is only but a messenger. Verily,all messengers have passed away before him,
If jesus is alive, God would have made the exception. About the destruction of the people of lut, God made us know that he will destroy all of them with the exception of the family of lut. He also made the exception of his wife from his family.
Concerning the nations which did not accept the message of God, God said that He destroyed all of them EXCEPT the people of Yunus. God made the exception clear. Therefore, if jesus be alive, He would have made it clear explicit. As for bukhari been the most authentic tradition, know that the shite do not accept the six authentic hadith. They believe and accept the musnad as superior followed by the rest. But i do not say i do not accept it.

[quote author=Abuzola  1 link=topic=357307.msg5037469#msg5037469 date=1259783561]Mr man why are you arrogantly denying the truth, i wrote two hadith and two ayats that jesus the son of mary is coming instead you said it is another jesus. Am really scared of your doctrine.

How many jesus son of mary do we ve in the Quran ? One or two, i asked you to tell me which jesus ascended come to talk of descending, was it not jesus the son of mary. Now i know how you guys are herectic. Truely herectic, 



@olabowale: niyi and the congregation of ahmadiya disbelieve in the coming of imam mahdi, despite numerous hadith stating that mahdi and prophet isa will meet and argue at masjidil haram on who to give the solah prayer. The ahmadi believe that their indian founder of ahmadiya ahmad ghulam is the mahdi , he had came and gone[/quote]thanks the holy prophet was called a mad man by the meccans.
I have already proved from the quran and with traditions that jesus is dead and the holy prophet also stated his age.
The idea of jesus been raised to heaven is contrary to the quran. If you can prove it, then your view can be established.
Remember that the holy quran also described the holy prophet as ('nazala') descend(65:10-11), but nobody ever thought that the holy prophet came down from the heaven.
You can call the Ahmadis whatever name you like. The previous prophet were also called all sort of names. So, continue to call us all sort of names.
Calling the Ahmadis kafirs because they dont accept your view, is that what the holy prophet taught you?
There are some muslim sects who believe that it is ali who suppose to be the prophet and not muhammad (saw), according to you, they are muslims. Some believe ali will even come back. Some belive God is having begining and so on. Go to google and find out yourself. If i give you a website you might be thinking its an ahmadiyya created website (astagfirulla).

[quote author=Abuzola  1 link=topic=357307.msg5037469#msg5037469 date=1259783561]Mr man why are you arrogantly denying the truth, i wrote two hadith and two ayats that jesus the son of mary is coming instead you said it is another jesus. Am really scared of your doctrine.

How many jesus son of mary do we ve in the Quran ? One or two, i asked you to tell me which jesus ascended come to talk of descending, was it not jesus the son of mary. Now i know how you guys are herectic. Truely herectic, 



@olabowale: niyi and the congregation of ahmadiya disbelieve in the coming of imam mahdi, despite numerous hadith stating that mahdi and prophet isa will meet and argue at masjidil haram on who to give the solah prayer. The ahmadi believe that their indian founder of ahmadiya ahmad ghulam is the mahdi , he had came and gone[/quote]thanks the holy prophet was called a mad man by the meccans.
I have already proved from the quran and with traditions that jesus is dead and the holy prophet also stated his age.
The idea of jesus been raised to heaven is contrary to the quran. If you can prove it, then your view can be established.
Remember that the holy quran also described the holy prophet as ('nazala') descend(65:10-11), but nobody ever thought that the holy prophet came down from the heaven.
You can call the Ahmadis whatever name you like. The previous prophet were also called all sort of names. So, continue to call us all sort of names.
Calling the Ahmadis kafirs because they dont accept your view, is that what the holy prophet taught you?
There are some muslim sects who believe that it is ali who suppose to be the prophet and not muhammad (saw), according to you, they are muslims. Some believe ali will even come back. Some belive God is having begining and so on. Go to google and find out yourself. If i give you a website you might be thinking its an ahmadiyya created website (astagfirulla).

[quote author=Abuzola  1 link=topic=357307.msg5037469#msg5037469 date=1259783561]Mr man why are you arrogantly denying the truth, i wrote two hadith and two ayats that jesus the son of mary is coming instead you said it is another jesus. Am really scared of your doctrine.

How many jesus son of mary do we ve in the Quran ? One or two, i asked you to tell me which jesus ascended come to talk of descending, was it not jesus the son of mary. Now i know how you guys are herectic. Truely herectic, 



@olabowale: niyi and the congregation of ahmadiya disbelieve in the coming of imam mahdi, despite numerous hadith stating that mahdi and prophet isa will meet and argue at masjidil haram on who to give the solah prayer. The ahmadi believe that their indian founder of ahmadiya ahmad ghulam is the mahdi , he had came and gone[/quote]thanks the holy prophet was called a mad man by the meccans.
I have already proved from the quran and with traditions that jesus is dead and the holy prophet also stated his age.
The idea of jesus been raised to heaven is contrary to the quran. If you can prove it, then your view can be established.
Remember that the holy quran also described the holy prophet as ('nazala') descend(65:10-11), but nobody ever thought that the holy prophet came down from the heaven.
You can call the Ahmadis whatever name you like. The previous prophet were also called all sort of names. So, continue to call us all sort of names.
Calling the Ahmadis kafirs because they dont accept your view, is that what the holy prophet taught you?
There are some muslim sects who believe that it is ali who suppose to be the prophet and not muhammad (saw), according to you, they are muslims. Some believe ali will even come back. Some belive God is having begining and so on. Go to google and find out yourself. If i give you a website you might be thinking its an ahmadiyya created website (astagfirulla).

@Abuzola and olabowale. I am still expecting your views in the light of the holy quran and and hadith to refute what i have presented.
There is a tradition of the holy prophet in kanzul ummal, which fixed the age of jesus at 120 yrs.
And there is also another which says 'if moses and jesus were alive, they would have among my followers(tafsir ibn katheer.
Is the holy prophet also contradicting himself?