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Ken4Christ:
Jesus is alive more so because he lives in me right now. I am a living testimony that he lives.

Mohammed didn't promise you salvation but yet, you believe him. He even said he wasn't sure of his destiny, yet you still follow.

I tell you truly that JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH IS LONG DEAD. his grave is at Srinagar Kashmir!!
you have been made to have the belief that he is alive and you have false evidence for it. No testimony!

Muhammad definitely promised salvation to those who truly believe in him. and his spiritual blessings still continues till today. but Jesus's spiritual blessings has ended!

You only speaking out of hatred for Islam. you gat no evidence for all your allegations against Islam!

Ken4Christ:
Your Quran lied. There are infallible evidences that Jesus rose from the dead. It's an historical event that cannot be denied. Even the devil himself knows that Jesus lives. Please, be honest with yourself. Even the enemies of Jesus cannot produce his body. Remember that the grave was protected by heavily armed Roman Soldiers.

what you describe as "infallible" is just you mind set, otherwise History is against your beliefs. even the Bible contains numerous infallible evidences that Jesus Christ did not die upon the cross. (he even must not die upon it)

1. The sign of Jonah
2. the prayer of Jesus Christ
3. the dream of Pilates wife.
4. Jesus could never become accursed (like the devil)
5. The rising of the dead from their graves.


and the list keeps going...

you can read this if you really would like to know a different point of view.

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html

Ken4Christ:
Your Quran lied. Jesus is alive whether you believe it or not.

you are the one to lose, because your entire faith lies on it and Islam has come to destroy that very foundation!

Jesus is dead! take it or leave it
this is the truth.
the Messiah who is to appear in the latter days has appeared in the person of the Holy Founder of the Ahmadiyyat Muslim community.

this also if you like believe!
just like Jesus Christ told the Jews that John the Baptist is the Elijah to come, if they like they should believe!

As long as Muslims would still keep claiming Jesus Christ to be alive contrary to the Testimony of the Holy Quran, they would keep facing this difficulty.


"Let Jesus Christ, son of Mary die! For in it lies the life of Islam" (Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad -as)

وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ اِلَّا رَسُوْلٌ ۚ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ‌ؕ اَفَا۟يِٕنْ مَّاتَ اَوْ قُتِلَ انْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلٰٓى اَعْقَابِكُمْ‌ؕ وَمَنْ يَّنْقَلِبْ عَلٰى عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَنْ يَّضُرَّ اللّٰهَ شَيْـًٔـا‌ؕ وَسَيَجْزِىْ اللّٰهُ الشّٰكِرِيْنَ‏

And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, (all) Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful.

Surah Al Imran, Chapter: 3, verse: 145

مَا الْمَسِيْحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ اِلَّا رَسُوْلٌ‌ۚ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُؕ وَاُمُّهٗ صِدِّيْقَةٌ‌ ؕ كَانَا يَاْكُلٰنِ الطَّعَامَ‌ؕ اُنْظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الْاٰيٰتِ ثُمَّ انْظُرْ اَنّٰى يُؤْفَكُوْنَ‏

The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely, Messengers (like unto him) had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.

Surah Al-Ma'idah, Chapter: 5, verse: 76

Ken4Christ:
History has never been able to disprove the resurrection of our Lord Jesus. This confirms he is the Saviour. It's only someone who can conquer death that can save mankind from death which is man's worst enemy.

Mohammed is dead and his bones is still 6 ft below the earth. But Jesus is alive. Please follow the victorious champion, the Lion of the tribe of Judah. He is the way, the truth and the life.

Jesus is also dead long ago!
The Holy Quran declared it in many of its verses.
For example:

مَا قُلْتُ لَهُمْ اِلَّا مَاۤ اَمَرْتَنِىْ بِهٖۤ اَنِ اعْبُدُوا اللّٰهَ رَبِّىْ وَرَبَّكُمْ‌ۚ وَكُنْتُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيْدًا مَّا دُمْتُ فِيْهِمْ‌ۚ فَلَمَّا تَوَفَّيْتَنِىْ كُنْتَ اَنْتَ الرَّقِيْبَ عَلَيْهِمْ‌ؕ وَاَنْتَ عَلٰى كُلِّ شَىْءٍ شَهِيْدٌ‏

“I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me — ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them; and Thou art Witness over all things.

Surah Al-Ma'idah, Chapter: 5, verse: 118
(Note: the verse numbering used has bismillah as number 1)

That can be happening as long as they are yet to recognise the true Islam.!

when they recognise the true Islam and get to know that Jesus Christ was long dead (categorically supported by the Holy Quran) and the one who is to appear has already appeared, the entire edifice of falsehood built in their minds would disappear!

LORDOFAFONJAS:
Islam is the root of all war

not Islam, rather mis-informed Muslims

O mankind! hearken, this is the prophecy of God Who made the Heavens and the Earth. He will spread this Movement (Ahmadiyya community) in all the countries and will give it supremacy over all through reason and arguments. Remember, no one will descend from heaven. [b]All our opponents who are living at present will die and not one of them will see Jesus, son of Mary, descend from the sky and then their children who survive them will also pass away and none of them will see Jesus, son of Mary, coming down from the heaven. Generations of their posterity will also perish and they too will not see the son of Mary descending from heaven. Then God will create restlessness in their hearts; that the day of the glory of the Cross had passed away and the world had taken another turn but Jesus, son of Mary, had still not come down from the sky. Then all the wise people will discard this belief and the third century from today will not have completed when all those who had been waiting for Jesus, both Muslims and Christians will despair of his coming and entertaining misgivings shall give up their belief and there will be only one Faith in the world and one preceptor. I came only to sow the seed. [/b]That seed has been sown by my hands. It will now grow and blossom forth and none dare retard its growth.
(The Promised Messiah in Tazkira-Behind-Shahadatain)

https://www.alislam.org/library/book/narrative-two-martyrdoms/

"If the first Messiah could come without the manifestation of a single wonder, although a host of such wonders had been promised, why cannot the second Messiah make his entrance into the world in the ordinary way, and why should we make ourselves fools in the eyes of all sensible men by looking in vain to the clouds, and thus ourselves remain in the clouds? Let us turn our eyes in the right direction that we may may walk in the light and see the true Messiah"

http://www.reviewofreligions.org/date/1903/10/

O ye people, hearken to my call! Remember that this is a prophecy from Him Who created the earth and the heaven. We will cause this, His Own Movement, to spread in all countries and shall cause them to triumph over all others through reasoning and argument. The days are approaching, nay they are near at hand, when only this religion shall be spoken of with honour and respect. God shall grant this religion and this Movement His choicest blessings and unprecedented success and frustrate the designs of all those who seek to destroy them and shall perpetuate their ascendancy till the time the world comes to its end. They jeer at me now but their jeering shall cause no harm, for there has not been a Prophet who has not been jeered at. It was, therefore, incumbent that the Promised Messiah be also jeered at, as God Almighty says: Alas for My Servants! There comes not a Messenger to them but they mock at him( 36:31 ). It is, therefore, a Sign from God; because every Prophet has been mocked at. Who would laugh at a person who comes down from heaven with a host of angels? Even from this one could understand that the story of Messiah coming down from heaven is no more than a myth. Remember very well that no one will descend from heaven. All our opponents who live today shall die and none of them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down from heaven; then their children that are left after them shall also die and none from among them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down from heaven and then their third generation shall also die and they too shall not see the son of Mary coming down. Then God shall cause great consternation in their hearts, yet the son of Mary has not come down. Then in dismay the wise among them shall forsake this belief and three centuries from now shall not have passed when those who await the coming of Jesus son of Mary, whether they be Muslims or Christians, shall relinquish altogether this conception. Then shall prevail only one religion over the whole world and there shall be only one religious Leader. I came only to sow the seed which has been planted by my hand. It shall now grow and flourish and there is none who can hinder its growth.
(This is an extract from a book writtenin 1903)
https://www.alislam.org/books/tadhkiratush%20shahadatain/wordadvc.html

annunaki2:
This guy must be smoking some very hash skunk cause no sane human being or even the most apologetic Muslim apologist can write all the obvious lies and thrash spewed above. Even the quoran made it clear that mohammed did no miracles and we know from his sunnah that he was a murderer, paedophile, rapist, armed robber, psychopath and indeed the worst of mankind.

what else can appear to one who is himself lost in quest for this life and it's impurities than impurities! Even after beholding something beautiful without blemish, you aren't still able to see!
you need first to bring yourself out of the pit of hatred and enmity in which you have thrown yourself into, before you can begin to understand the true personality of the Holy Prophet pbuh.
there are many European scholars who have appreciated the personality of the Holy Prophet pbuh. take it or leave it.
As for miracle, he did show innumerable miracles which Jesus can never dare to compete with! And in this age, the one who has appeared as the second advent of Jesus, has even displayed more miracles than did Jesus christ, and he stated clearly that he was able to achieve this only by following Muhammad (saw)

alBHAGDADI:
I don't think you made any sense with this post.

it would definitely not make sense to you cos you have filled yourself with aversion towards the Holy Prophet, pbuh. You failed to study is life history in true light, but out of bigotry.

the Holy Prophet pbuh was the one who established the rights of women in a manner with no other religion has ever done.
His miracles are innumerable and thousand of times greater than that of Jesus. His spiritual blessings are still been benefited by those who truly follow his footsteps till today and they show miracles like he did. So if a follower of the Holy Prophet pbuh could also give life to the death, then how much more the master!

lagostokd:
Islam taught that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences." Let's check through some texts in the Qur'an as requested by you

Quran (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Quran (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..

Quran (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. (The next verse refers only to those who have a personal agreement with Muhammad as individuals - see Ibn Kathir (vol 4 , p 49)

Quran (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Quran (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"

Quran (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara , which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21 )

Muslims are allowed to lie to non-muslims in order to defeat them.

There are several forms:

Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true as it relates to the Muslim identity.

Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind" ) while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."

Tawriya - Intentionally creating a false impression.

Muruna - 'Blending in' by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others.

16:106 “Whoso disbelieves in Allah after he has believed -save him who is forced to make a declaration of disbelief while his heart finds peace in faith -but such as open their breast to disbelief, on them is Allah’s wrath; and for them is decreed a severe punishment”
Please, what is it that is stated here that states that one can be “compelled” to tell lies for “the propagation” of the faith?
Quran (3:28) “Let not the believers take disbelievers for friends in preference to believers – and whoever does that has no connection with Allah – except that you guard yourselves fully against them. And Allah cautions you against His punishment; and to Allah is the returning”
Muslims are warned to be on their guard against the plots and machinations of disbelievers. The expression, “except that you guard yourselves fully against them”, refers not to the power of the enemy but to his cunning of which Muslims should always be on their guard.
Quran (9:3) “And this is a proclamation from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage, that Allah is clear of the idolaters, and so is His Messenger. So if you repent, it will be better for you; but if you turn away, then know that you cannot frustrate the plan of Allah. And give tidings of a painful punishment to those who disbelieve.”
(9:4) “Except those of the disbelievers with whom you have entered into a treaty and who have not subsequently failed you in anything nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill to these the treaty you have made with them till their term. Surely, Allah loves those who are righteous.”
You can take up the Quran and read for yourself, then present your objections again.
Quran (40:28) “And a believing man from among the people of PHAROAH, who kept hidden his faith, said, “will you slay a man because he says, ‘My Lord is Allah,’ while he has also brought you clear proofs from your Lord? And if he be a liar, on him will be the sin of his lie; but if he is truthful, then some of that which he threatens you with will, surely, befall you. Certainly, Allah guides not one who exceeds the bounds and is a great liar;”
“Katama” if studied would be found to have basically two meanings:
1. That one conceals something
2. That it cannot be manifested by a person. Something which was to be manifested cannot be manifested due to not having the ability, that is your disposition is such that it cannot do so
From this meaning it is clear that there is not the least indication of telling lies!
Quran (2:225) “Allah will not call you to account for such of your oaths as are vain, but He will call you to account for what your hearts have earned. And Allah is Most Forgiving, Forbearing”
Taking an oath is a serious matter, but some men are in the habit of swearing without meaning anything. Such oaths as are taken thoughtlessly or as a matter of habit or those taken in a sudden fit of anger do not call for expiation.
Quran (3:54) “And Jesus’s enemies planned and Allah also planned, and Allah is the best of Planners.”
https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=406&region=E1

x12345678x:
Niyi my friend, are u an Amadiyya Muslim? If so den I have sad news for u...mainstream Islam considers u apostates..they hate u cuz ur too peaceful..infact in December an Amadiyya shop owner was slaughtered in England by fellow Muslim who by the way had to travel all the way from Ireland. He was applauded for his holy murder by most of the mainstream Muslims. Now I dint want to take u on ur "show me where the quoran teaches violence" because am shocked that ur gonna say somfyn like dat(its too lazy)...if u had told me dat the violent verses are taken out of context then I can understand with u....but coming here to say dey don't exist??....niyi stop am oo

Bro, i really appreciate you. However, that isnt a sad news for they considering someone to be an apostate is their attitude. They have passed verdicts of disbelief against themselves. We the Ahmadiyya Community, arent moved a bit by their actions since Allah is pleased with us.
With regards to the killing of an Ahmadi brother in the UK, bro thats 0.005% of the killings that has and is been done of the Ahmadis, and i believe if you get to know about it, you would be greatly shocked. In 2010 two of our mosques in Lahore were bombed (by suicide bombers) and over 85 ppl killded on a friday during service. Last year abou 8 women incluing a very young child were burnt to death.... and just about last 2 weeks, one was murdered in Pakistan. I cant narrate it all (the ones i get to know about. There are many more which i am not even aware of). Presently in Algeria, the Govt is against the Ahmadiyya community and are making every effort to crack it down because according to them we are "terrorists groups". But its all political.
As for the "existence of the verse", i would say there are no "violent verses" rather the verses have been misconstrued to be violent

See! we happily narrate about the death of the Holy Prophet pbuh, who was the khatamu Nabiyyin, but when it is said that Jesus is dead according to the testimonies of the Quran, hadith and the companions, MUSLIMS begin to flare up in annoyance, whereas we should become more angered and sad at the mention of the death of the Holy Prophet pbuh like Hadhrat Umar.

@Al Bagdadi.

I need not respond to your post cos others are doing so (some have already done).
let me draw ur attention to this that according to ur belives, Jesus was God/son of God, while we Hadhrat Muhammad (pbuh) is a Prophet of Allah. So if you are now comparing both, it shows that you are not fully convinced of the status of you so called "God/son of God"

let me clear your doubt for you.
A lover of the Holy Prophet pbuh says • We are very averse to such God upon whom the humiliated Jews: who have lost their authority, could over come. We rather deem that God to be true who sent a poor and helpless Meccan as His Prophet and at that time also showed His majesty upon all to such an extent that when the emperor of Iran issued warrant of arrest of the Holy Prophet pbuh, the holy prophet told them that "This night, my God has killed your God".

Albagdadi, when Jesus was about to be arrested he was helpless, prayed the whole night but wasn't heard. you can say it is prophecy, but nothing ever establish that!

of course many Muslims may be unaware of the true status of the Holy Prophet pbuh, but let me tell you that this person you think you are humiliating is such that • by perfectly following him, one can be greater than Jesus.! !!

x12345678x:
Niyi, who decides who a true Muslim is..you?.. who speaks for Islam you, the ayatollah or d Saudi royalty. Are you more versed in Islam compared to Muhammad ur prophet, bin laden or baghdadli...all proponents of violence and terrorism. Niyi it isn't a coincidence dat ppl from every corner of this world with different cultures suddenly start behaving in dis belligerent manner once Islam and d Koran effect their lives. Thank you

it is the Quran that decides and the Holy Prophet pbuh. why don't you try follow this person https://www.khalifaofislam.com for some time and see for yourself who is really practicing Islam!
he has delivered address at the capitol hill, USA, addressed the European parliament, German top military personnels, written letters to the pope and many world leaders etc
this has been tried to be publicized but this isn't what today's media is interested in. they are only interested in mews that shows that some ppl are doing some evils in the name of Islam!

x12345678x:
It is a known trend all over the world dat the more devoted to Islam anyone gets...the higher the possibility that they turn violent.

hahaaa bro that's not true. The media has contributed a lot in spreading this evil. when thousands of Muslims gather to propagate the message of peace and condemn this dastardly act of some few, nothing is heard. peace symposiums are held but media keeps mute.
https://www.khalifaofislam.com/press-releases/westminster-attack-2017/

x12345678x:
Niyi are u telling me that all dis has nufyn to do with Islam and dia is nufyn inherently violent in d Koran and d hadiths dat make ppl all over the world who follow Islam to behave in this despicable manner?. I await ur answer thanks

bro, I am telling you once again, all this has nothing to do with Islam. Islam condemns terrorism. it grants everyone the right to worship whatever he/she likes. moreover, the verse of the Holy Quran that mentions the permission given to the muslims to take up arms, mentions that such step was necessary in order to PROTECT CLOISTERS AND CHURCHES, synagogues and mosques.... (22:41)

lagostokd:
You're right... true Muslim will never agree that Islam is not a peaceful religion. A true Muslim will always use al taqiya (Islamic sanctioned lies) to deceive the gullible.

where in the Quran has telling lies been permitted

Quran says "shun, therefore the abomination of idols, and shun all words of untruth" (22:31)
"O ye who believe! fear Allah and say the straight forward words" (33:72)
while in 2:11, it says "...and for them is a grievous punishment because they lied"
so if telling lies could be the reason for punishment, then how would it then be permitting its followers to tell lies!!!
look bro, that taqiyya of a thing is a concept in "shiaism" and it is totally against the holy Quran and the practice of the Holy Prophet pbuh

Rich4god:
Bla bla blah.....

That's how u guys peacefully decapitated a woman in kofar ruwa Kano, for simple misunderstanding.
That's how innocent citizens in some northern states suffered just cos a journalist drew a cartoon of ur prophet in far away Denmark.
That how ur intellects threaten thunder wen one preacher wanted to burn ur holy book in America....

Shld I continue....

you can continue. I do agree that some ppl are doing so, but that's never what Islam preaches. At every instances you mentioned, search through the Internet to find the reaction of "the Ahmadiyya community". it has always been condemning such acts and portraying the good teachings of Islam.
the american who wanted to burn the Quran was later invited to one of our mosques in the USA. he was told abt the beautiful teachings of Islam, after which he was satisfied.

#loveforall hatredfornone
#alislam.org
https://www.khalifaofislam.com

weyab:
hia nawa. U didnt hiv any ans to d question abegi

take it or not. Islam never advocates terrorism. its message and teaching has always been that of peace.

the similitude is like that of a person who doesn't know how to drive. he gets into a very beautiful car, starts it and caused an accident. But the people instead of blaming the person began to blame the car!
that's exactly what you guys are doing against Islam.

quickly:
Story story isis r born again muslims and following Mohamed actions.

Mohammed was saying one thing and doing another.

Say as I say but don't do as I do kind of person

that was never true! Muhammad (pbuh) never said something and did another. he was always true to his words and his opponents testified to this

Ezechinwa:
That's a lie.. Some verses in the quran promotes terrorism
If am lying check
https://www.nairaland.com/3718307/hidden-facts-islam

the claim that "the Holy Quran promotes terrorism" is a lie! I
I wouldn't say you are lying, I would rather say you have been misinformed.

one thing you should always remember is that "permission" was granted to the early Muslims to take up arms because they were been oppressed and that oppression has exceeded all limits.
the Quran says "Permission to take up arms is given to those against whom war is made..." (22:40)
but it's obvious that such condition is not existing today, rather Muslims freely profess their religion

weyab:
but y always lslam or cant they use other religion?

it was not, isn't, and would never be Islam. Islam is absolutely free from what they are attributing to it. those who commit such acts can never be true Muslims.

"a religion which does not inculcate universal compassion is no religion at all. Similarly, a human being without the faculty of compassion is no human at all." ( https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Message-of-Peace.pdf )

weyab:
and the question now is why must it be from islam why why why... Killing other human. Also remove urself from lies

my brother, it is NEVER islam , because Islam never taught such. to know about Islam, study the Holy Quran

Abudu2000:
even a Muslim like me KNOWS that Muslims are terrorists and needs to be wiped out the face of the earth if peace should rain......

Yea i said it!!!

true Muslims would never be like you. read the Quran to know the qualities of true Muslims.
if your attitude (good attitude) cannot make a non Muslim wish to be a Muslim, then you are still defective.
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to Allah's will) in Islam" (15:2)

its sad that such is happening.

Islam isn't the problem, rather the problem is humans whose conditions are not better than that of animals exhibiting their savage attitude and giving it the name "Islam"

you cannot destroy the beautiful image of Islam.

#loveforallhatredfornone

We muslims need to realise that according to the Holy Quran, Jesus is dead and nt alive any where. He never died on the cross but SURVIVED from such death. Then later died a natural death. Yes Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the one who came as the second coming of Jesus, isa bin maryam.

@Benzion.. If its with logic u want to use to discuss the Holy quran and islam, ur welcome. U will always find it inline with it and even superior to it whereas every other religion will die out! The Quran been revealed by the All-Knowing Being, informs us of the truth of events of the past, and the testimony of the quran is always true. If its not accepted now to be true, it would be accepted later. Thats inevitable. The book of matthew, mark, luke and John all are having contradictory reports regarding the history of Jesus, especially the event of crucifixion.
Read the book ''where did Jesus die'' from www.alislam.org

Ahmadis are Muslim. Believe it or not. U can never challenge it

Assalaam alaikum. Regarding the issue of Jesus christ, there is a community whose stand is different from every other community, either among the Muslims, Christians or Jews. The stand is that Jesus was actually hanged on the cross, but never died on it. Almighty God saved him from the death on the cross and this is what verse 157 of chapter 4, points out. Thereafter he migrated from that land where he was persecuted and went east ward in search of other children of Isreal. He eventually found them and conveyed the words of God to them. He lived up to the ripe age of 120yrs then DIED A NATURAL DEATH and is buried in kashmir. Therefore he is not alive in the skies as the people generally believe. The Holy Quran also categorically points out the natural death of Jesus and the fact that he is no more alive.
For more info u can read the book ''Jesus in India'' from www.alislam.org under the library section.