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GRAND PROPHECY
The Promised Messiah (peace be on him) said: ''Remember very well that no one shall ever come down from heaven. All our opponent who are alive today shall die and none from them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down from heaven; then their children that are left after them shall also die and none from among them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down. Then God shall cause great consternation in their minds and they shall then say that even the age of the cross has passed away completely, yet the son of Mary has not come down. Then in dismay, the wise among them shall forsake this belief and three centuries from now shall not have passed when those who await the coming of Jesus son of Mary, whether they be Muslims or Christians, shall relinquish all together this conception'' (The Narrative of Two Martyrdom p. 67)

Moreso, my claim that Jesus is dead is logical and inline with the laws of nature, but for you to assert that for over 2000 yrs, Jesus is still alive is quite illogical. Therefore i will want you to provide all The Quranic verses that supports your claim.

LagosShia: nope!

the Quran does not say he "died" a natural earthly death.if you doubt,let us examine the verses.

I am not doubting but am convinced and certain that The Holy Quran declared Jesus to have died a natural death.

Yeah, am very much prepared, lets examine the Quran about it.

Visit www.alislam.org to know about the second advent of Jesus. The second advent is not going to occur as most people think. Its not Jesus who would physically come. Its the coming of someone in his likeness and spirit. Just like Jesus explained the second coming of Elijah so also will his own second coming occur. What you are yet to know is that Jesus christ survived death on the cross, migrated away from Jerusalem and went in search of the lost sheep of Israel, found them, delivered the message unto them, lived up to a ripe old age before he died and was buried @ srinagar kashmir, in India.

I bear witness that the second coming of Jesus has been fulfilled in person of the Holy Founder of the Ahmadiyya community (Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad).

Radar5, we say Isa ibn Maryam (Jesus christ) is dead because the Holy Quran categorically mentioned it.

Assalaam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakaatuhu. All praise belongs to Allah for giving me the opportunity to come back to this forum. Now if I would be responding to allegations and questions, i will like to do so one after the other. So it should be one question at a time. May Allah grant us the understanding of the 'deen'. Amin

[center]Why Muslims took up the sword?[/center]

The Holy Prophet had to confront with very great hardships. Quite a number of his dear ones and most loyal followers became the victims of the arrows and spears of the enemies - the cruel disbelievers. These followers of the Holy Prophet were tortured in a shameless way, and they included men as well as women. The limit was reached when the enemy planned to put the Holy Prophet's life to an end. He was chased. The man who followed him was promised great reward. The Holy Prophet had to hide in a cave. The chaser left no stone unturned to get hold of him but as God had willed it, the Holy Prophet, despite the fact that he was within the reach of their sight could not be sighted by the chasers and thus he was very miraculously saved by God. When the cruelty of the Disbelievers reached its extreme limit and even the emigration of the Muslims did not satisfy them, God the Almighty permitted the Muslims to fight back. The Holy Quran says, ; that is to say that God has permitted the Muslims to take up the sword and the very fact that God had to give them the permission to fight proves conclusively that the Disbelievers were the wrongdoers, and their mischief and insolence had crossed all the bounds. Also, that the patience that was exercised by the Muslims had reached its limits. That being the case, God told the Muslims to put down those who had fought them with the sword, by using the sword. God the Almighty promised that He would show to the enemy that the Muslims being the oppressed party would be helped by Him; and the enemy would be destroyed at their hands. The result was that those who were considered to be weak and helpless and who were tortured by the Disbelievers, became known as strong people in the East as well as in the West. Thus God helped them and showed to the world that they were really oppressed.

You may look at them from any angle you like, you will find that they were really oppressed. Had God the almighty not permitted them even in these circumstances to take up the sword against the oppressors, they would have been wiped out; would that have been justified? The bigoted people are accusing them upto this day for having recourse to the sword - whereas no worldly or religious law could tenably demand that they should get themselves annihilated, instead of defending themselves. Those who are waiting for a bloody Reformer in this Age wish to revive and strength the accusation and to create a sort of hatred in the hearts of the people, for the Muslims. Don't you read the Hadith which says that he (the one to appear in this Age) would put an end to the religious wars. He would make the true religion supreme and distinctive through ever-fresh signs from the unseen.

It is not enough to say that we have a splendid record of heavenly signs with us. You don't have as many 'signs' as the Jews and the Hindus have got in their books. If you will just present stories, they will do the same and in a larger number. If the truth of Islam has to be deduced from the stories of the past, then you must know that nothing has been left and the truth has become confused.

(Malfoozat vol. 10, pg 310)

[center]WORLD MUSLIM LEADER SENDS MESSAGE OF PEACE TO POPE
BENEDICT[/center]

The Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat, Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad has
sent a direct message to Pope Benedict XVI calling for the Pope to use his influence
to encourage religious tolerance and the establishment of human values
throughout the world.
The message was delivered personally by the President of the Ahmadiyya Muslim
Jamaat in Kababir, Muhammad Sharif Odeh, who met the Pope as part of an official
delegation of renowned Israeli religious scholars.

In his message, Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, spoke of the perilous state of the
world. He said:
“It is with regret that if we now observe the current circumstances of the world
closely, we find that the foundation for another world war has already been laid.
As a consequence of so many countries having nuclear weapons, grudges and
enmities are increasing and the world sits on the precipice of destruction.
I believe it is essential, that we urgently increase our efforts to save the world
from this destruction. There is an urgent need for mankind to recognise its Creator
as this is the only guarantor for the survival of humanity.”
Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad also said that the world should judge religions on
their true teachings, not on the misguided acts of individuals or groups. He said:
“If a person does not follow a particular teaching properly whilst claiming to
subscribe to it, then it is he who is in error, not the teaching.
From cover to cover, the Holy Qur’an teaches love, affection, peace, reconciliation
and the spirit of sacrifice. Hence, if anybody portrays Islam as an extreme and
violent religion filled with teachings of bloodshed, then such a portrayal has no
link with the real Islam.”

Speaking about the role of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hadhrat Mirza
Masroor Ahmad said:
“The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community practises only the true Islam and works
purely to please God Almighty. If any Church or other place of worship stands in
need of protection, they will find us standing shoulder to shoulder with them. If
any message resonates from our mosques it will only be that of Allah is great and
that we bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Him and
Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah.”
His Holiness concluded by praying for world peace and urging all other parties to
play their respected roles for this all important pursuit. He said:
“It is my prayer that we all understand our responsibilities and play our role in
establishing peace and love, and for the recognition of our Creator in the world.
We ourselves have prayer, and we constantly beseech Allah that may this
destruction of the world be avoided. I pray that we are saved from the destruction
that awaits us.”

source:
www.alislam.org/e/1472

It makes no sense making false allegations against a religion. When are the opponents going to accept that we need to be fair in dealing with other religions? When any verse is quoted from their scripture, they try to make an explanation of it to establish how its right. But while not be fair in relation to Islam also? When you raise an allegation, demand an explanation and be ready to accept it.
You guys forget that you claim that the words of the bible can not be understood by the flesh cos its spiritual, but u are not ready to accept that the truth of the Quran or Islam is also hidden from a person who closes the door of his heart against it!!!
Laa yamossuhu illalmutahharoon: none shall have access to it except those pure at heart!

I thank Allah, Who has made me a Muslim.

he is not a God for the simple reason that he has died! long ago.

I have never believed that Jesus is alive, coz his tomb has been discovered at srinagar, kahsmir, in india. The second advent of christ that is been expected as long occured in person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Take it or leave it

Grand Prophecy:
The Promised Messiahas said: ''Remember very well that no one shall ever come down from heaven. All our opponent who are alive today shall die and none from them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down from heaven; then their children that are left after them shall also die and none from among them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down. Then God shall cause great consternation in their minds and they shall then say that even the age of the domination of the cross has passed away and the way of life has changed completely, yet the son of Mary has not come down. Then in dismay the wise among them shall forsake this belief and three centuries from now shall not have passed when those who await the coming of Jesus son of Mary, whether they be Muslims or Christians, shall relinquish altogether this conception'' (The Narrative of two Martyrdom’’ p 67)

its that same law that made the earlier ppl righteous that will make us righteous as jesus said i have not come to destroyed the law but to fulfill. Moreover there is no sense in making jesus suffer death when there have been a method in place to make people become righteous.

islam: the true religion. I cant express how much i love it in words! The way i think i can express it is to go out and make the people aware of it beauties!

The point that you fail to realise is that Adam committed no sin. No sin was therefore transfered unto the progeny of Adam, and this account for the reason why there were numerous righteous people on earth even @ the time of Jesus.

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Or km 27 lagos abeokuta expressway, ojokoro ijaye, lagos.

you have known nothing about the true being of Jesus christ! Read your Bible very well so that you might not be decieved. I mean Jesus christ was a prophet sent to the children of Israel. He preached the unity of God to them, but of the two tribes out of the twelve that were present where Jesus began his ministry, they persecuted him and even attempted to crucify him, but they were not successful. He eventually migrated east ward through afganistan, tibet to kashmir where he preached to the remaining ten tribes of israel and eventually died and was buried!
He was never the literal son of God as its supposed, rather he is as the righteous of the past were also termed to be the sons of God!

Jesus Christ did not die on the cross as its belived!!! he survived it and migrated east-ward in search of the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

the Jews intend to crucify him so as to prove through their law that he was an unrighteous person and therefore not a prophet of God! but this plan of theirs was never successful as[b] God frustrated their plan by not making Jesus to die on the cross[/b]!

Jazakalla khiran. Thats the true which was misunderstood. Islam is not a religion of terrorism. I pray may Allah make the people understand this, as it is among the major obstruction against the progress of Islam!

And when he was old enough to work with him, he said, ‘O my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering thee. So consider, what thou thinkest of it!’ He replied, ‘O my father, do as thou art commanded; thou wilt find me, if Allah please, of those who are patient.’

what is to be gained from a 'God' who cannot forgive the
sins of his servants until he has been flogged, spat in the
face, imprisoned for days, and then crucified? We are
tired of this 'God' who was overwhelmed by the Jews—a
helpless people who could not even hold on to their own
kingdom. On the other hand, the God Whom we consider
to be the True God is He Who appointed as His Messenger
a poor and helpless man from Mecca, and showed a manifestation
of His power and glory to the whole world at that
very time, so much so, that when the Persian Emperor sent
his soldiers to arrest the Holy Prophet (sa), the Omnipotent
God told him to inform them, "Tonight my God has killed
your god."

toba:
Oga niyi, forget that one. I want u to discuss with me the opinion u expressed
Unless if u simply believed what u read from the link u gave above

yes i believe in the link i posted above.
but if u still want to make any discuss, u r welcome.

he did not die for any one
he never died on the cross

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Assessing British MP Jack Straw’s Comments Concerning Hijab In Islam
Majlis Sultan-ul-Qalam, USA and Lajna Imaillah Media Watch, USA
December 2006
On October 6, 2006, in the wake of the suspension of a full- face veiled teaching
assistant in the United Kingdom, former British Foreign Secretary and current leader of
the House of Commons Jack Straw made controversial remarks about the Islamic
tradition of hijab or “covering.” 1 Specifically, Mr. Straw wrote in the Lancashire
Telegraph that Muslim women should remove their niqabs when visiting him because he
“felt uncomfortable about talking to someone ‘face to face’ who [he] could not see.”2
The niqab, he claims, is a “visible statement of separation and of difference” that is
“bound to make better, positive relations between the two communities more difficult.”3
While he did not condone any law or formal prescription banning hijab in the United
Kingdom, Mr. Straw said that he would rather hijab (and not just the niqab) be abolished
all together.4
Mr. Straw’s comments have since plunged the United Kingdom – and indeed
much of Europe – into a debate over Islamic integration. Notable European political
leaders have supported Mr. Straw’s comments. British Prime Minister Tony Blair echoed
Mr. Straw’s sentiments, calling hijab “a mark of separation” that “makes other people
from outside the Muslim community feel uncomfortable.”5 Italian Prime Minister
Romano Prodi agreed with Mr. Straw remarking, “You can’t cover your face. [Muslim
women] can’t be hidden.”6 The Dutch Government has gone so far as to propose
legislation banning outright the wearing of the niqab in public places, and Dutch
Immigration Minister, Rita Verdonk, has signaled the imminent end of hijab altogether in
The Netherlands.7
However well intentioned Mr. Straw’s comments were, they exhibit a
fundamental lack of knowledge of Islamic traditions, the role of women and the function
of hijab. In particular, Mr. Straw and his supporters makes several faulty assumptions:
(1) hijab is a peculiar Islamic construct inimical to Western culture and society; (2) hijab
inhibits the freedom and equality of Muslim women in the West; and (3) hijab thwarts
integration of Muslims in the West.
We address each assumption in turn.
1. Hijab’s Deep Roots
First, Mr. Straw wrongly assumes that hijab is unique to Islam and foreign to the
West. Notwithstanding Islam’s distinctive teachings concerning hijab, the wearing of a
veil is not unique to Islam.8
The veil can be traced back to 13th Century B.C. in ancient Assyria
(Mesopotamia). At that time, wearing the veil was a mark of social class and not
religion. 9 The law required all Assyrian women except prostitutes to cover their heads in
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public.10 Similarly, ancient Greek and Roman artifacts suggest that wearing a veil was
not an uncommon practice.11 Although the veil’s significance in Greek and Roman
society is unclear, its custom cannot be discounted.12
Beginning with Judaism, wearing a veil took on religious significance. It was a
symbol of propriety and modesty. Jewish women would cover their heads in public in
observance of Jewish law. 13 Jeremias commented: “When the Jewess of Jerusalem left her
house, her face was hidden, so that her features could not be recognized.”14 A Jewish
woman’s failure to cover her head during the Tannaitic period was “considered an affront to
her modesty. ”15 The veil elevated a woman’s high status in Jewish society. 16 Today
some orthodox Jewish women still practice traditional Jewish teachings by wearing
scarves or wigs.17
Similarly, the Bible taught the wearing of a veil long before Islam. In the Old
Testament we read:
“When Re-bek'ah raised her eyes, she caught sight of Isaac and she swung herself down
from off the camel. Then she said to the servant 'who is that walking in the field to meet
us?' and the servant said 'It is my master' And she proceeded to take a head cloth and to
cover herself.” (Genesis: 24:64-65)
In the New Testament we read:
“But every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered shames her head
for it is one and the same as if she were a (woman) with a shaved head. For if a woman
does not cover herself let her also be shorn; but if it is disgraceful for woman to be shorn
or shaved, let her be covered.” (1 Corinthians: 11: 5-6)
As explained from these verses, the Bible treats the wearing of a veil as an inherently
righteous undertaking. The Virgin Mary is often depicted in works of art with her head
covered.18 In fact, for a time it was obligatory upon Catholic women to don a headscarf
while attending church service.19 Today Christian nuns and Amish women continue to
cover their heads.20
Finally, traditional Hindu women also wear head coverings while in the company
of men, further highlighting that hijab is not exclusive to Islam. 21 Sometimes veiling is
accomplished with a loose end of the woman’s sari, and sometimes it is done with a
scarf- like fabric.22
Thus, hijab must be understood in the context of the veil’s cultural and religious
roots.
2. Hijab’s Liberating and Equalizing Force
Second, Mr. Straw wrongly assumes that hijab inhibits freedom and equality of
Muslim women.
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As an initial matter, the view that hijab inhibits freedom and equality arguably is
a reaction to the original Biblical explanation concerning the same. St. Paul teaches:
“A man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God.
But woman is the glory of man. For man was not created for woman, but woman for man.
This is why the woman ought to have a sign of authority over her head, because of the
angels.” (1 Corinthians, 11:7-10)
Thus, according to St. Paul the veil is a sign of man’s authority over her. A veiled
Christian woman is pious only insofar as she accepts her inferior role to man. Perhaps
owing to this explanation, many in the West view the veil as a symbol of inferiority,
subservience, and degradation.
But the Islamic rationale for hijab is entirely at odds with this prevailing stigma.
In Islam hijab signifies modesty and is a means of protection. A multitude of Quranic
references attest to a woman’s equality to man. For example, the Qur’an unequivocally
explains that men and women belong to the same species and possess identical aptitudes
and propensities.23 The requirement of hijab is not intended to imprison a woman or
render her susceptible to male dominance.24 Rather, it is intended to enhance her Godgiven
faculties.
In Islam, faith is premised on the belief that God created men and women for a
lofty purpose, namely establishing peace in society. Since a peaceful home is the basic
unit of a peaceful society, Islam seeks to protect marital harmony by promoting modesty.
In the United States, nearly 40% of all marriages end in divorce, half of which end due to
extra- marital affairs.25 As a precaution, the Qur’an enjoins women to draw their head
coverings over their bosoms when in the presence of men outside of the family:
“And say to the believing women that they restrain their looks and guard their private
parts and that they display not their beauty or their embellishment except that which is
apparent, thereof, and that they draw their head coverings over their bosoms, and that
they display not their beauty or their embellishment save to their husbands…” (24:32)
The injunction concerning hijab is an obligation not limited to women but refers to men
as well; hijab only assumes a different form:
“Say to the believing men that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts.
That is purer for them. Surely, Allah is well-aware of what they do.” (24:31)
Yet another purpose of hijab is to protect women from unwarranted harm. In the
West, often there is a casual willingness to dehumanize women by seeing them first and
foremost as sexual objects. A staggering US $57 billion worldwide is generated by
pornography. 26 This is more than the combined revenues of all U.S. professional football,
baseball and basketball franchises and exceeds the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and
NBC television stations.27 The pernicious consequences of such sexual degradation are
well known. In the United States alone, one of out every three women has been the
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victim of physical and sexual abuse,28 and a woman is raped every two and a half
minutes.29
Because women are vulnerable to exploitation and abuse, Islam advises them to
take their protection into their own hands:
“[T]hey should pull down upon them their outer cloaks from their heads over their faces.
That is more likely that they may thus be recognized and not molested. And Allah is Most
Forgiving, Merciful.” (33:60)
Thus, hijab is a physically manifested barrier to unwarranted harassment. It is not a
disgrace or a hindrance for a woman; on the contrary, it honors her and frees her from the
bondage of society and the obstacles that prevent her intellectual, moral, and spiritual
advancement. Indeed, by electing to safeguard herself and her virtues, a woman protects
society from social evils such as adultery, spread of disease, children born out of
wedlock, rape, and divorce.
A woman does not have to rely on her physical beauty or dress in order to
contribute to society. Her character defines the peace, prosperity, and progress of a
nation. This is why the Prophet of Islam emphasized the importance of religious and
worldly education for both men and women30; indeed, education is one of the basic
elements of a progressive society. According to Islam, women have the power to
eliminate suffering wherever they tread, and the liberating force of hijab makes them the
architects of the fate of future generations. Indeed, the true Muslim woman is neither the
exploited woman of the West nor the stymied woman in totalitarian Arab regimes.
Mr. Straw also neglects the fact that Islam itself safeguards against a harsh and
irrational application of hijab. There is no law in Islam that punishes a woma n from not
abiding by hijab. Hijab’s fundamental aim is to protect a Muslim woman and to provide
her greater liberty to participate in society. Where hijab fails to achieve this aim, Islam
allows for relaxation of the requirement.31
3. Hijab’s Integrative Role
Finally, Mr. Straw wrongly assumes that prohibiting hijab will somehow improve
integration and social cohesion.
Other nations have attempted to improve integration by banning the veil. France
outlawed headscarves in public schools. Turkey outlawed the wearing of the veil in
public places. By most assessments, such efforts at “integration” have had little
success.32 In France, for example, recent rioting is a clear indic ator that Muslims
continue to feel alienated and disaffected.33 The reason is obvious. The veil has nothing
to do with integration. The real barriers to integration are poverty and unemployment.
For example, in the United Kingdom two-thirds of children of families of Pakistani and
Bangladeshi origin are growing up in poverty. 34 More than 20 percent of all Muslim
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youths between 16 and 24 are unemployed. Muslim women practicing hijab have
nothing to do with these sobering statistics.35
Moreover, at a micro level, hijab does not prevent communication. Technological
advances have made it easier for society to communicate virtually without “face-to-face”
dialogue. The face has never been the only essential tool for effective communications.
Prime Minister Blair can be effective communicating to the British public over the radio
just as he can in person. A Muslim woman can be effective communicating with others
even with her face covered. Quite obviously, it is the substance of what is said that
counts more than the appearance of who said it.
In addition, efforts at integration should not come at the expense of restricting the
fundamental human right of religious freedom. Essential to successful integration in a
democratic society is the enmeshing of divergent religious cultures and traditions.
Forcing a Muslim woman to “unveil” is thus a self-defeating measure. Not only does
such a measure violate a Muslim woman’s fundamental human right, it also prevents
Western society from understanding, and perhaps even integrating, Islamic traditions.
Conclusion
At their core, Mr. Straw’s remarks concerning hijab in Islam reflect an entirely
flawed and ultimately dangerous understanding of true Islamic teachings. Mr. Straw
wrongly assume s that hijab is foreign to the West, inhibits the freedom and equality of
Muslim women, and thwarts the integration of Muslims in Western society. In actuality,
hijab has deep roots and ensures true freedom and equality for women. Moreover, far
from thwarting efforts at integration in Western society, hijab can potentially benefit
Western society.

read this!!!

thehomer:
Are you sure? How about Sharia law and its associated punishments?

what do you mean by the sharia law? Is it not the laws contained in the Holy Quran and the "practice" of the Holy Prophet?
Show me the verse that advocates such!

Suicide bombing, jihads, cutting off one's limbs, flogging one in public, marrying more than one wife, and so on are all allowed in Islam

its never allowed in islam, the quran never advocates it!!! its those mullahs who know less abt islam and the quran who say this!!! they are the ones who are defaming islam

Check it @ http://www.alislam.org/

Its not only jesus who is the son of God.
One sure thing is that jesus CHRIST DID NOT DIE ON THE CROSS, HE WAS SAVED AND LATER MIGRATED TO KASHMIR, INDIA WHERE HE LATER DIED AND WAS BURIED