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Krayola:
@ noetic. Haha. I find the idea if a loving God that fries people kinda shady. Such a God can eat a d.I.c.k for all I care.

Krayola I hate to think that u are ignorant. . . .cos u are one of the most respected dudes here.

1. God will not judge anyone. . .He has commited all judgements to the Son (John 5:22)

2. The son will judge no one (at least not a person who rejects Jesus). . . . .cos such a person is already condemned and has an appointment with hell. (John 3:18)

3. so my friend. . .u are not gonna be fried in hell. . . .u are simply going to keep an appointment u consciously made.

Krayola:
@ alexleo. Thanks for your concern. . .

Please don't pity me. I'll be just fine.

u cant be fine in hell my brother. . ,

bilms:
it is left for u to believe or not, and if u have a question on how he did it, then i will tell u it's from God, and not by his power,

all I want is a break down . . . , of the miracle. how did he divide the moon? what ladder did he climb to get to the moon? or did the moon come to him?. . .and what was the purpose of dividing the moon?. . . . .please ignore my sarcasm. . .not only do I disbelieve the ridiculous miracle. . . .I also cannot identify the benefit of dividing the moon.

Deep Sight:
Quote from Noetic -

Look at this blatant lie.

Did Jesus not say that some standing before him would not taste death before he returns?

Good grief.

did Jesus categorically say so?

read John 22:12 again, . . 22Jesus answered, "IF I WANT him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me."

when did IF I WANT become a categorical statement?

ROSSIKE:
Noetic16 said:


You are precisely the sort of christian the author alluded to - the type that would twist the ''words of Jesus'' to say what they do not say, in order to cover their inherent falsehood.

Better realise you're dealing with intelligent folks here, not dummies like yourself.

can u not understand a simple passage.

In mathew 24 Jesus talks about several events happening at the end of days. . . . , .when did these events start happening?. . were there no wars and famine during the era in question?. . . . . .what do u understand by the last days?

must u make posts to satiate ur folly?. . . . .whats the sense in the above?

Deep Sight:
Is there any less Idolatry in worshipping your fellow man? ? ?

and who is the fellow man?

whats the difference between islam and satanism?. . , , they both have the same source

ROSSIKE:
The Many Lies Told By Jesus


Jesus Lied About Prayer

Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. 

He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it.  This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer.  Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away.  Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house.  He could make a lot of converts that way.  If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to kissing God’s backside.  If I’m not converted it would only be fair for you to apologize and devote your life to kissing my butt.

This is the dumbest post I have read in a long time. 

1. what do u understand by a believer?. . .reading the bible, going to church or praying does NOT make u a believer.

2. what do understand by prayer? . . . prayer is not a 20 minute appeal u make when u are in trouble to a giant in the sky for help. prayer is an incessant heartfelt communication with the maker. did u bother to read how Jesus taught us to pray?. . .there was a line that says . . . , thy will be done as it is in heaven. what do u understand by the will of God? one of the rudiments of the believers faith is the ability to submit ultimately to the will of God.

3. your prayer request is both silly, sinister and dumb. Jesus made a bold statement that the requirements for such answers is faith. . .did u not see that? (luke 17:6) The ultimate choice of your salvation lies with u. If I pray with all my God given faith that u get saved . . . .my prayer is answered when the gospel is rationally preached to u. it is your uktimate choice to either accept this gift of salvation or reject it .  .whatever u make of this gift will determine your place in eternity.

4. if the mountain behind your house is moved. . . unto whom will it glorify? will it glorify God or your satanic ego?

5. in lieu of the above . ,  . .would I be wrong to declare u uneducated to have FALSELY asserted that Jesus lied? on what authority do u displace the testimony of millions of people all over the world who attest to the prayer answering faithfulness of the Lord?

Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:

    1)  And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen.  "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."  (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

where is your faith? . ,   . . ,   .how can u have faith if u aint a believer? faith in whom? on what basis?,  . . , what do u actually understand by faith?

   

2)  Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.  (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

I testify to the faithfulness of the quote above with regards to God fulfilling His word.

 

3)  Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven.  For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.  (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

how do u prove that the Lord is not in the midst of His people?

   

4)  Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him.  Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours.  (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

what does your heart say?

5)  And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.  (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

    6)  And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.  If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.  (John 14:13-14 NAB)

    7)  If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.  (John 15:7 NAB)

      It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you.  (John 15:16 NAB)

    9)  On that day you will not question me about anything.  Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you.  Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete.  (John 16:23-24 NAB)

    A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible.  They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else.  If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers.  He says God will grant all your prayers.  Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.



According to the Bible the “End Times” Should Have ALREADY Occurred!



Jesus and his apostles made MANY prophecies concerning the Armageddon.  Christians would have you believe that it shall come as “a thief in the night”.  Yet, the Bible is rather clear concerning when it would happen.  Matter of fact, the Bible consistently said it would follow soon after Jesus’ death. 

When you point out such verses to Christians they will try to weasel out of it by saying Christ was talking about his “future” apostles, and not the ones he was directly speaking to.  All it takes is a close examination of the pronouns used in order to see that Christ truly did believe the end times would have happened nearly 2,000 years ago.  Keep in mind that the Bible claims it is “fit for reproof’ and Christianity “lives and dies on the resurrection and end times”.  If we are to believe these verses and accept that the end time prophecies failed then surely the whole book is invalid.

same old tale. . .with faith and holiness you would see the glory of God.

False Prophecies About the Armageddon:

Jesus’ Predictions:

1) Jesus falsely prophesies DIRECTLY to the high priest (Caiphas) that he would live to see his second coming.  Jesus uses the term “coming on the clouds of heaven”.  This clearly negates the “coming” as the resurrection but as a return to the earth on CLOUDS, not his return in human form from the dead.  Matthew 26:64 & Mark 14:62.

mathew 26:64

64"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

does the above verse talk about the second coming of Jesus?  No it does not. . .it talks about Jesus sitting at the right hand of God. This prophecy was fulfilled the moment Stephen testified of the seeing Jesus sit at the right of God. ,    , this prophecy also awaits fulfilment,  .when Christ sits on God's right hand to judge the world.

Then Jesus answered, "I am; and 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.'"  (Mark 14:62 NAB)

was Jesus speaking prophetically into the future of speaking in the present?. . . I live that to u to decide.

2) Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime. Matthew 23:36 & 24:34

''Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.''  (Matthew 23:36 NAB)

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.  And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.  "Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near.  In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates.  Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.   Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.  (Matthew 24:29-35 NAB) (Chei!! See 4-1-9)

Jesus spoke about the last days and the events of the last days. Jesus called all men who would witness the last days as one generation. . . . . . .common sense and historical accuracy would tell anyone that we have been in the last days since the departure of Jesus,  . ,   . .did Jesus in any way imply that He would return in the days of His listeners?,  . . . .Nope.

what kingdom are u talking about?. . . the kingdom was established the moment Jesus started His ministry and was baptised. The kingdom was given to us the moment Jesus rose from the grave and sent the holy ghost. . . . .so what are u talking about?

3) YET AGAIN, Jesus claims those standing RIGHT BEFORE HIM shall see the Armageddon.  Matthew 16:28[b] “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”[/b]

Don’t let Christians lie to you and claim Jesus was referring to his modern day believers.  The words[b] “some standing HERE will not taste death”[/b] clearly refutes such nonsense.  Obviously the people he was speaking to died, and curiously Jesus STILL isn’t here to claim his kingdom.


4) Jesus falsely predicts that some of his listeners would live to see him return and establish the kingdom of God.

"Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:27 NAB)

5) Jesus implies that he will return to earth during the lifetime of John. (John 21:22)

This is what John 21:22 says: 22Jesus answered, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me."  where does it suggest that Jesus wants John to stay alive till He returns?

6) Jesus says that all that he describes (his return, signs in the sun, moon, wars, stars, etc.) will occur within the lifetime of his listeners.  He purposely defines their generation and NOT a future one.  Considering that NONE of those signs took place during the resurrection and that he uses the term of “Heaven and earth shall pass away”, Clearly Jesus is prophesizing that nearly 2,000 years ago Armageddon SHOULD have occurred.  Luke 21:25-33



John’s Predictions

John believes “the time is at hand,” and that the things that he writes about in Revelation will “shortly come to pass.”  Revelations 1:1-3

9) John quotes Jesus (1900 years ago) as saying he will come “quickly.” Revelations 22:7, 12 & 20

10) John thinks he is living in “the last times.”  He “knows” this because he sees so many antichrists around.  1 John 2:18

11) John says that the antichrist was already present at the time 1 John was written.  1 John 4:3

12) John quotes Jesus (1900 years ago) as saying he will come “quickly.”   (Another 4-1-9) Revelations 3:11, 22:7, 12 & 20



Paul’s Predictions

13) Paul thought that the end was near and that Jesus would return soon after he wrote these words.  Philippians 4:5

14) Paul believes he is living in the “last days.”  Hebrews 1:2

15) Paul believed that Jesus would come “in a little while, and will not tarry.” Hebrews 10:37

16) In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Paul stated: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: And so shall we ever be with the Lord.”  Paul shared the delusion, taught by Jesus, in that he expected to be snatched up bodily into heaven with other saints then living, who would, thus, never taste death. The use of “we” clearly proves as much.  It is difficult to deny that Paul was certain that the end of the world was coming in the lifetime of his contemporaries.



Other Prophecies About Armageddon:

17) James thought that Jesus would return soon.  James 5:8

18) Peter wrongly believed that he was living in the “last times” and that “the end of all things is at hand.”  1 Peter 1:20 & 4:7


http://www.evilbible.com/Jesus_Lied.htm

This is simply ridiculous,  . .  .influenced by your inability to comprehend simple english. if KJV is hard try the message bible.

Dan-G:
Hi all,
Am a 23yr old guy (by June, 2010), I am working as an Engineer on a basic salary of about 100K+, av worked foe 1yr+ now, I can boast of some landed property, n a ride. And still take care of ma family needs, would you advise that I get married now, or would u do that if you are in ma shoes?,

first u need to grow up and chart out a vision for ur life. . . . . .be mentally independent and understand life is not virtually all about u having a car, making 100k and then manufacturing children. there is more to life that

na so so amebo u dey do

hia no be war zone ooo

kill and deport to hell

@OP

whats the difference between a muslim and a terrorist?

aisha2:
Arabic Actually, 40 % of Arabs are christains dear. Am 110 % christain. Bible believing

Good to know that.

truth is. . .they are vessels unto DISHONOUR.
Every doubting xtian who examines the posts of the aforementioned should have every reason to hold up to their faith.
I like it when the devil tempts me. . . . .it makes it easy to know the counsel of God and they way to go.

The lads u mentioned have heard the gospel and rejected it. . .what else do u expect?

redsun:
For those who believe that the pope is infallible and a gateway to heaven,reminiscent.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100313/twl-vatican-fights-to-distance-pope-from-4bdc673.html

why would anyone think that another human is infallible?. . . . , . .here u are trying to make news out of nothing?
should the above be used as a measure of ur literacy?

@ OP

I laugh in arabic. . .did mohammed really split the moon?. . .how did he get to he moon in the first place?. , .what ladder did he use?

mazaje:
And who told you that she is a muslim?

aisha seems islamic. , innit?. . howdy?

@ OP

mohammed was celibate till 25 simply because he was a poor, broke and unknown dude. The best season to judge him was when he became wealthy and lived large as a FALSE prophet. . . .what did mohammed do then? he sent men to needless wars and married their widows. . . .allah asked that muslims marry 4 wives, mohammed married 11. . . . .he also married a poor 6 year old girl, having sexual intercourse with her at the age of nine. . . . , is mohammed a good example?. . .NOPE.

@ OP

the helper was definitely NOT the paedophilic, terrorist inclined idolator called mohammed

aisha2:
No it is not, Neither is Blabing in church. What Christainity has turned into leaves me stunned

what has islam turned to?

Eddie4:
I'm kinda confused right now, is really true that when you kill a fellow human like you in the name of Allah (God) you'll get 7( or is it 17?) wives in heaven if you die in the process? Personally, i think that's just some bull crap. I think some people are just so foolish and dumb cos saying they're silly will be very unfair to silly things/people. In short, they've got no brains at all. Cutting a human being open like rams, burning people, That is the most barbaric thing in the world.

dont let anyone short change u. . . , allah gives 72 virgins and not 7 or 17. . . . . .

Marlbron:
Noetic,

read Isaiah 63; 1-5, maybe it will help you contextualize your vision. One thing for sure is that Africa (descendants of Esau or Edomites) have a big role to play at the end of time. That explains why many men of God see the importance of Nigeria, beyond what we are seeing now. You are on the right track and you are not the only one with such revelations.

thanks . . .I would definitely read and analyse that passage.

ammamat:
This woman is making me to hate going to church, I thought pastor's wife are suppose to be our spiritual mothers, I mean encourage, advice and be there.

Is it wrong for me to tell her my problems, I just feel like changing to another church, please God order my steps in your word,

Yes it is.

1. familiarity brings about contempt. by telling her what u consider ur problems, when she is no position to help u. . .u have made urself the subject of gossip and ridicule.

2. the pastor's wife is only superior to u in the physical realm. . . . . in the spiritual realm u are both equal. . .sons of God with the anointing to break yokes. . . .

3. whatever ur problem is. . . . pray ceaslessly. . fast and pray. but most importantly live a holy life and have faith that ur mountain will be moved.

Kx:
After testifying of what God has done for them,most people
roll joyfully on the alter laying claims that the power in the alter,
(instead of saying the power in the word of God)brought
them the miracle that caused them to give the testimony.
Is this act and similar acts like blessing of hanky,etc biblical?
What if rituals have been done and buried on the alter without
unsuspecting worshippers knowledge?

it does not have to be biblical. its like israelites giving thanks to the rod of moses for the water that came out of the rock. . .that would have been idolatory. . .so also is every notion that thanking the "alter power" gives glory to God.

nopuqeater:
what are the physical characteristics and emotional definitions of a human, versus that of say lion or other things, trees and stone like?

a terrible human is still a human, only that he/she is different from a good human by repressing her/his goodness. while the good person represses his/her evil qualities.

all humas have the good and evil in them. you are categorised as good because you do good deeds or dont do evil, even while others are doing it. you are a bad person because you do bad instead of chooding to do good.

it is the ability to choose that make us different emotionally from instinctive animals, driven only by their libidos; the id.

man is the only creation that we know that has ability to walk steadily on two feet, and have completely developed thumbs, that are very useful for fully functioning upper limbs; hands are almost useless without the thumbs. definitely awkward in usage without the thumbs. An evil man is still a man. A good man is not greater than just a man. Jesus said from the Bible: why call me good? The only one who is Good IS GOD HIMSELF.

and whats the lesson from this long and irrelevant epistle?

good to know that u are pondering positively over God's words. . . . . .there is a whole lot to dig through.

toneyb:
I don't have a soul so i can't sell what I don't have.

that u deny having a soul does not dispute the fact u have/are one.

huxley:
Have you heard of the expression "Caveat emptor" (which means "Buyer Beware"? If after having warned the buyer that he would be wasting his money, and he is still prepare to conclude the deal, I will have no option but to take his money. As far as I am concerned, I would consider that as a gift, as I have given him nothing in exchange. But he is within his right to consider it whichever way he please (gift or financial transaction). My family would certainly do with a few bobs after I am gone and being eaten by worms.

why would anyone be willing to pay a million dollars for your soul?. . . .that should inform u of the value attached to it.

Abu Zola:
Noetic you are a disgrace to humanity

Thank you. At least I am human. . . .can u call the terrorist slaves of allah like u humans?

lol. , . , , . . . , , . . . , . , the steady walk to destiny. . .its lonely but not boring.