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Tudór:
Yeah. . . In other words you don't deny being mavenbox, right?

There's a slim chance you might actually be innocent so For the sake of CLARITY, Are you the same person as the disgraced mavenbox? YES or NO please.

and who exactly disgraced mavenbox? . . ,   . .bro tudor can u please forgive . . , whatever the offence is and let mavenbox live in peace. . . .ehn? 

Deep Sight:
Foretelling something is quite another thing altogether from stating that when that thing arrives, it would be the incarnation of Almighty God. Wave Isaiah, and i will address it.

and why should Isaiah be waved? . . I tot we are trying to be objective here?
on what basis do u assume that olumba is the re-incarnation of God?

Besides you probably do not know just how many aspects of Jesus' life were deliberately cookd up in a bid to match already existing prophecy and as such claim him to be the messiah. One such is the myth of the virgin birth; a blatant falsehood contrived to defend a pregnancy out of wedlock - which would have meant death by stoning for the mother.

There are two distinct things here. . . . .
a. there was an out of wedlock pregnancy. . .no one doubts this.

b. why do u think the husband (Joseph) accepted the holy ghost explanation for the pregnancy? considering the sensitivity of the Jews to blasphemy. . .why did the jews also accept mary's story? why was she not stoned as the law of moses commands?

c. the virgin birth is a spiritual mystery that makes the sacrifice of Jesus acceptable. look at it this way. . .but virture of spiritual protocol every baby born into the world as a seed of adam is naturally a sinner. . . .if Jesus was born as a seed of adam, would he in ur opinion be able to redeem the world from sin?

Oh there are plenty of parallels. They both came teaching God and repentance. Thay both outrightly assert that they are not God. Nevertheless both their followres proceed to insist that they are almighty God.

what form of repentance is olumba teaching? repentance from what? that we all become vegetarians?

You never know, Olumb Olumba Obu might just be a reincarnation of Jesus from Nazareth.

and what is the basis of the above statement?. , . .is this another baseless anti-Christ rant?

Deep Sight:
You might want to address this same question to the deluded Trintarian lot who also insist that a similar fellow who lived in Galilee a while back is also Almighty God.

Good grief.

your argument holds no water.

1. the God from Galilee was His coming not foretold? was His life not foretold by ancient prophets?

2. why compare the Galileean to Guru? whats the basis of the comparison?

MrPrsdent:
we are all our own God

why use a capital letter "G" to address ur delusion?. . .I suppose u formed urself from the womb. . . .and also created the universe. , right?

Deep Sight:
And what is your obsession with WoF? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Get a life.

i laugh in tongues

aisha2:
My cousin who is from a more traditional and orderly church setting visited a pentecostal church on invitation, and she asked me this question. She wondered why people have to shout so much and even be encouraged by the Pastor to open thier mouths and pray, shout . She asked me, "Is it that God will not hear you the first time? why would a group of people keep repaeting one point for over 10 minutes? Why the shouting? Is God to far away to hear when we talk to him Quietly? Why will a pastor tell you that you have to pray for at least 2 hrs at a streach? Is there a time frame for prayers when the Bible clearly states that we should pray without ceasing, which she translates as talking sliently to God and fellowshiping with him all day, so why would a pastor make you feel like a weak Christain if you cant Blab for 2 hrs?
These were her questions not mine. I realised to that most of the time at prayer meetings after making my point once i am usually lost, i jsut sit back and start thinking about stuff because i feel i have made my point with God, and as a human being it will irritate me when a person keeps repeating a request none stop for 10 minutes so i wonder how God feels when a whole crowd will keep shouting one request for 10 minutes.

1. our prayers largely reflect our level of trust in God. it takes maturity for a person to actually know that u dont have to repeat ur prayers a billion times before they are answered. This should not be confused with praying without ceasing. . .one can pray ceaselessly by continuously giving thanks, committing the present and future to the hands of God and also praying for the will of God be done.

2. The prayer described in the OP is a "commercial prayer" designed by the sons of satan disguised as the sons of God. The whole idea is to make people believe that by praying a POWERFUL prayer u get a response from God. but we know that there is nothing called a powerful prayer . . . .but that we only pray to a powerful God. We also know that though God honours and answers prayers . . the essential ingredients for such answers are faith and holiness. . , . coupled with the will of God.

as wife number 11 . . .YES.


@ Tubabie

whats good? I have missed u. . , .

a cold NOPE.

lofly YES for u

Now I am angry . . .an angry NO

so what is the problem with chile? ,. . . . . .they also just had an earthquake.
and whats the problem with nigeria? , ,. . . . .there was just another senseless killing.

m_nwankwo:
@Noetic 16

I do not want to comment on your visions directly but just to offer you some encouragement and some little advice. If you are permitted to see beyound the the physical, then it is normal for you to feel alone. It is also very normal that if you share what you see, you will not be understood and may even be ridiculed. But most importantly, the way things manifest beyound the physical can be quite complicated and contradictory when transported from the non-physical to the physical limitations of time and space. Many prophecies are not fufilled, not because the visionary didnot see the correct thing but partly because the visionary replicated the vision physically without the vision undergoing the necessary transformation to fit within the earthly or physical concept of time and space. While it is a gift to recieve vision and revelation from beyound the physical, it even requires more grace of God to remodell these visions to fit within the physical concept of time and space and thus manifest earthly as the prophet or seer saw it. The taste of the pudding lies in the eating.

as usual u throw up very true words. . . . .the only reason why I never talk about my spiritual diary is simply because of the inability to construct many of these things in words. . . so like u said the possibility of ridicule and misunderstanding is very high. Take for instance I once told my former flat mate that God asked me to take a "walk of praise" . . . . .she asked aloud. . how come God talks to u and not me?. . . . I was helplessly speechless. . . but tanks for ur comments.

If your visions are correct, it will come to pass but if they are wrong or simply a projection of the mind of a non-physical entity or being, then it will not happen. Whichever way it turns out, it is important that you have the humility to accept it and mature inwardly from that. Best wishes

honestly . . . . if I wanted glorification. . , there are other channels of revealing my vision. I am least bothered if it comes to pass or not (the manifestation remains the prerogative ot the one who gave the vision. . God.). I only wished someone else was seeing what I was seeing. . . that way I could have someone to really talk too.

but thanks a million for ur kind comments.

JeSoul:
But why try to do that? Perhaps your dreams were not necessarily meant to overlap with anything we have been given in the bible?

that personality was IMO too big to be missed from the bible. . . . but God knows best.

No problem brotha. I wasn't trying to "critique" your dreams at all. Just a tad bit curious about them.
Walking alone? not by a long stretch, in the truest sense of the words.
Well, you've put it "out there" now. I suppose if by chance or providence such a soul stumbles here, they will react to your words with much more spiritual affection than I have .

lol. . .tanks.

what happened to ya profile pics

nope.

maybe

jagunlabi:
But the annointed ones can touch other people's money, right?

he is allowed to

Deep Sight:
^^^ Na Obama?

nope bro.

JeSoul:
Perhaps Noetic, these visions are not meant to be taken in the most literal sense? perhaps the figures and places are symbolic? Well certainly do as you are led. I think you're taking the right approach in not simply dimissing them. But also leave a little bit of room that this may not be a prophecy for the future. But maybe something else God is trying to show/teach you.

These visions have been explained to me by the Lord Himself and they are to be taken in the literal sense, . . . .I will reserve further comments on that.
but why did I share it in the first place? . . .I shared it largely because of what I have been experiencing. . .which is hearing from God.
I was never taught to do so. . I find it strange and impossible. . . . .the things I have heard, I cannot repeat most of them, the things I have seen I cannot describe. . .my hope was that perhaps there was someone else out there who has heard some things I have heard and seen some things I have seen. . .thats the only reason I posted the vision, . . . .There are several others, but I guess they are only for personal consumption.

Extra-biblical resources can be profitable, but I think the danger far outweighs any profit. How do you confirm such a prophecy is real or fake? since it speaks to a future no one knows? When you begin to consult anything other than the bible, it opens doors for false teachings and human error to cloud things and leave one holding on to beliefs that may be dead wrong.

You are so right.

You know what?  Peter also believed that they were in the LAST DAYS.
When the disciples were speaking in tongues, Peter explained that it was simply a fulfilment of the prophecy in Joel. Acts 2:
16No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17" 'In the last days, God says,
     I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
  Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
     your young men will see visions,
     your old men will dream dreams.

My understanding is that we've been living in the last days since Jesus left. I mean we've been seeing the "signs" (earthquakes, wars etc) Jesus told us about for centuries and centuries. When exactly the END will come - only God knows.
It could very well be. We will not know until it unfolds before our eyes.

This explains my belief. . .while we live in the LAST DAYS . . , there are still several biblical prophecies pending until the LAST HOUR.

I think the church should concern herself with only one thing - loving God and serving His people. We have barely met the minimum requirements of that charge, that we should be turning our eyes to incredibly complicated, perhaps unattainable prophetic exploits.

uhmn. . . , . . ,

JeSoul:
First we may need to clarify what we mean by manifestation.

1. I agree partly with David's response. The "sons of God" are manifesting right now, as they've been since Jesus ascension, as the spirit leads. This manifestation I don't think can be biblically supported to be "material" but rather spiritual. Acts 2 is a solid reference.

2. However specifically in Romans 8 (the verse I think you're refering to), in context of the entire chapter and specifically verse 19, it is speaking of a time when we will be liberated from our sinful bodies and given a higher estate - and that all creation also is eagerly waiting in expectation for when they too will be freed from sin's "decay". Hence the "manifestation" tag here I hold is simply refering to the day when He returns and when we will receive our new bodies and finally "manifest as the Sons of God".

Normally I would naturally interpret the verse as u and David have done. . . . . .but my unsuccessful attempt to link these visions to biblical prophecies was what made me settle for my position on this. . . . I maintain my indifference.

Hope that makes sense?
Honestly, unless God revealed something to me personally about this person, I would refrain from assigning him a prophetical biblical price tag, declaring this is what he is or isn't, because like you say, we just don't know for certain. And even if God revealed it to me personally, I would also probably refrain from sharing it with others as absolute truth - unless I was directed to do so.

I did not call this a revelation. . .all I did was to ask a simple question here.

I only shared this under the anonymity ofthe internet. . . . .this are visions I have shared with no one. my expectation at sharing was that perhaps I might meet one or two others who have seen heard something similar in the spirit realm. . . . . I guess I am walking alone.

Era of wetin? lol. I haven't heard of that either. And I doubt they can support it biblically - it sounds just like another one of popular "christian" speak - season of this, harvest of that etc etc

lol. . , when I heard it. . . I was more open to it. . . .largely because of what I had heard/seen myself. . .but the person (a preacher formerly from tdJakes church) who said only said so as a reference and not as a full sermon. . . . .I only raised it here in the hope that there would be someone who has heard it b4.

My opinion on this thread is largely influenced by the spiritual quandary I am in at the present. . . . . .I will share some snippets with you REGARDLESS of difference in opinion or criticism.

a. I "saw God" anoint a man (from africa to do exploits in this generation) on mountains in the spiritual realm.
b. I saw this person grow to become a mighty person, a major world player and the wealthiest person on the globe. He actually controls more than half the wealth of the world.
c. he is born-again, filled with the holy ghost and was sent to also crusade against the many false prophets in the church.
d. God depicts this man as a mighty tree under whom many come to rest and are fed.
e. this man is the tool through which God pulls several mountains out of Africa to the glory of God.
f. I have a vision diary which I have collected my visions over the past two years. . .and all I see in this diary is God making a super-power out of one individual in this generation,  . .  . . , I cannot share all of what I have seen. . .but the above should paint a picture.

the following are my quandaries. .  .
1. No where in the scripture was this personality discussed,  . . I have searched from genesis to revelation. The only singular person so discussed to be so powerful and influential was the beast called the anti-Christ. but I was told in a "word of revelation" that this person is NOT the anti-Christ,   ,  . . . .but that the anti-Christ (beast) would follow shortly after him.

2. After diligent search . . . . The closest thing in the scripture to this person is Daniel and Joseph's might in their era. This explains why I was curious when I once heard a preacher say that we are in the era of Joseph awaiting the era of Benjamin.
The closest word in the new testament to this person is "the earth awaits the manifestation of the sons of God". . . .cos he was specifically defined to me in the spirit as "an adopted son of God through Christ Jesus".

3. God has taught me in the hard way never to dismiss my visions. . .as they come to pass whether I believe in them or not. This particular one is an ongoing revelation which is specifically earmarked for manifestation in this generation.

Some posers for u. . . .

1. The man in the description above, since he does not fit anywhere in bible prophecy. . where does he fit in?. . . . .since it is wrong to limit the works and plans of God to the bible and it is also very wrong to search extra-biblical sources for such prophecies?

2. It is in lieu of these visions that I STRONGLY believe that we are not at the VERY END of the world. cos all I see from my vision dairy are crazy changes on this planet by the sons of God to the glory of God in this generation,  . . . . . . ,

3. David's and the JW analysis of Daniel2 and revelation 17 are rich (I have seen them on the net for while). . . but my indifference (not disagreement) to them is influenced by the fact that my very best personal interpretations of God's prophecies usually have holes and are not so straight forward like a text book. .  .that explains why I believe that end time prophecies like rapture, 666, anti-Christ and just not as literal as we see it. . .but connote deeper meanings.

4. what is the implication of these vision for the church? what would the church make of an individual like that? with so much power and affluence . . .would he be labelled the anti-Christ?

. . . . . .brb

davidylan:
No i dont think it does. Verse 12 is the meat of this chapter - Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

The christians at corinth here were of the belief that there was no afterlife (no resurrection of the dead). But Paul points out that if Christ (our hole and salvation) be risen, will He not also raise us from the dead to be with Him for eternity?

Look at thisi verses - 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Paul was saying . . . if the dead rise not . . . then what was the point in Christ Himself being raised on the third day? If Christ didnt rise then of what use is salvation unto reprentance? Are we not saved primarily into the hope that we will reign with Him in paradise?

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

He then goes on to explain that if it is true that there is no resurrection from the dead then those who have died are totally gone, perished, vanished . . . nada.

this then forms the basis for verse 19 . . . If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable

If the only hope in salvation is when we are in this flesh then what is the point? I might as well remain a sinner, enjoy the trappings of iniquity since when i die there is no punishment or reward abi?

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. This sums up the hope for the believer . . . our salvation is not in vain. Our sacrifice for the kingdom is not just restricted to this world but there is a bigger prize out there. When we die we dont just go into thin air . . . there is a reward laid up for us in heaven.

I do not fault ur submission . . . . .as it should be the literal deduction.

but my difference in opinion is largely based on what I have "seen". . , .unfortunately I cannot construct it in words.

davidylan:
I am firmly of the opinion that what Paul meant there had nothing to do with christians "manifesting" as rich, successful men/women. To start with, if you read the entire Romans 8 in context . . . assuming that manifestation has something to do with physicall money sticks out like a sore thumb because it is dealing primarily with walking in the spirit. Infact from 31 he starts talking explicitly of the types of persecution that will confront the genuine child of God at the end.

I believe this is what Rom 8:19 was saying - Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke

the manifestation of the sons of God has to do with spiritual empowerment.

lol i have no idea what that means oh. What was the era of benjamin?

The woman of Rev 17 was sitting on the beast with 7 heads . . . clearly the woman and the beast are two separate entities thus i would think the RCC is distinct from the Anti-Christ himself. Remember that Rev 17:11 talks about him as the 8th king who is yet to come.

I have a completely different opinion to ur position on the manifestation of the sons of God.
I believe that they are meant to manifest in superb statues as major players on the world scene like Daniel and Joseph. 1 corth 15:19 buttresses this point. . . . definitely not all sons of God . . . , but some to serve as exemplary believers. This is what the spirit has revealed to me. . . . .and it also largely explains why I think that "perhaps" we are not at the very end of the world.

this manifestation has little or nothing to do with money or material gains but largely with the purpose of God for this season.
This is not an excuse for prosperity preachers. . . .as I do not subscribe to their gospel. . .but this is what I am being led to believe in.
what intrigues me is how would we (the body of believers) interpret these events should they play out? would they (the prosperous sons) be labelled as the anti-Christs or as sons of God for being audaciously successful? ? ?

davidylan:
I am firmly of the opinion that what Paul meant there had nothing to do with christians "manifesting" as rich, successful men/women. To start with, if you read the entire Romans 8 in context . . . assuming that manifestation has something to do with physicall money sticks out like a sore thumb because it is dealing primarily with walking in the spirit. Infact from 31 he starts talking explicitly of the types of persecution that will confront the genuine child of God at the end.

I believe this is what Rom 8:19 was saying - Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke

the manifestation of the sons of God has to do with spiritual empowerment.

u did not answer the second part of my question. . .what would u make of such a man? would u call him the anti-Christ? . . . .I would tell u why I am asking this question when u guys respond.

lol i have no idea what that means oh. What was the era of benjamin?

lol. . . .its just a skool of thought that says that the eras of life is according to the lives of the sons of Jacob. . . .with Reuben as the first and Benjamin as the last. . it is believed that we are in the era of Joseph, . . , I do not subscribe to this skool of thought, but have been searching for more information about this belief as it tallies with certain things I have "seen".

The woman of Rev 17 was sitting on the beast with 7 heads . . . clearly the woman and the beast are two separate entities thus i would think the RCC is distinct from the Anti-Christ himself. Remember that Rev 17:11 talks about him as the 8th king who is yet to come.

Dont get me wrong. . . . .there are 2 anti-Christs in discourse. the first is the "beast", the second is the very definition of "anti-Christ". . which includes anything (institution or nation) or anyone against Christ. . . . . .so is the vatican by ur analyses not anti-Christ?

KunleOshob:
She is a hypocrite, as a woman it is wrong for her to be a church pastor in the first instance.

why?

@ David and Jesoul . .  . I just want to stretch your analysis a little for the benefit of everyone (xtians).

1.The bible talks about the manifestation of the Sons of God. do u think they have already manifested? or are manifesting?
what if in the near future a Christian becomes a global entrepreneur who excels in all fields of human business endeavour. . . .with a great wealth, wisdom and acumen equivalent to that of King Solomon. . . .with which he pays off Africa's debts. . .what would u make of him? would u call him the anti-Christ? where would u place him in bible prophecy?

2. there are schools of thoughts who claim that we are in the era of Joseph. . . .awaiting the era of benjamin . . . .what do u make of those?

3. Does the inactions of the vatican as listed in your last post not constitute an "anti-Christ" institution?. . . . .by being a spiritual LovePeddler and having a cup full of the blood of the saints. . . . .would it not be safe to relate the vatican to the anti-Christ since the pope claims to have the power to forgive sins?
It is my hope that through poser 3 u would understand my notion that the "anti-Christ" dilemma might also symbolize an institution.

very rich and interesting I must say. .  . . I do have a few thoughtful observations though, . . brb

manmustwac:
Its not a ridiculous assertion read ths story below about the boy who tried to killed his mother because his pastor told him that she was the person behind his misfortunes

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-395239.0.html

I honestly think it is unfair to link god with this. . . .why?. . .cos the dude did not reveal such revelation himself?. . . .a "pastor" claimed to have received such. . .what does one make of that?

why did the pastor not break the yoke? why give such an info without a remedy?

Ascony:
Now how can one strive to meet an imaginary being, i just dont really get it sometimes, how can u meet God? u mean by praying or fasting or reading the bible consistently or doing what exactly? what is that thing that u do to meet God? or is it going to church and fellowships everyday, or is it by being moral and living a good life? (a wise person knows its a necessity), because i have done all this things for 23 yrs of my life and i didnt meet God.
please tell me in a simple tone, what do one do to meet God?

u spent 23 years of ur life on religious doctrines and u blame it on God?
u meet God by seeking him in spirit and in truth. , . . . .holiness without which no man shall see God . . . . .for without faith it is impossible to please Him.

davidylan:
Good point. [b]But i believe the idea that we can simply skip the prophecies because we dont understand them is not the way to go. [/b]There was a lot (parables, prophecies) the disciples could barely comprehend too . . . they didnt just gloss over it. There is room for searching the scriptures and asking God for interpretation . . .

Good point worth pondering over. it would however be better if one could be gifted with understanding these things rather than subscribing to several different and misguided interpretations.

davidylan:
Interesting . . . is it possible that the world will be unaware of the rapture? The parable of the 10 virgins (Matthew 25) gives us a clue that it will be obvious to those left behind.

The above is also my literal deduction but from a xtian point of view, .  but it raises several other questions. If those left behind know that they have missed the rapture. .  . .do u not consider the case of a mutiny against the said anti-Christ? but the bible describes a peaceful reign and acceptance for the anti-Christ before the Armageddon . .  . .how do u reconcile this?

The bible makes it expressly clear who the PERSON of the anti-christ is . . . 2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

this is not a description of a "group" but that of a man. He will call himself God . . . and cause all to worship him.

1. on the contrary, my reference to a group or institution is simply to reflect the "anti-Christ" posture of several nations and groups. . . .can we say that they are being coordinated by one singular person? is just one person coordinating the many anti-God policies all over the world, the catholic perception of the pope having the power to forgive sins, or the islamic jihad against the sons of God.

I am not in any way suggesting that the anti-Christ is an institution or a group of people. . . ,  . . but that many nations and individuals readily constitute the "anti-Christ". IMO the papacy, illuminati, Islamic nations (suicide bombers and hate preachers) and institutions and several secular oriented institutions represent the "anti-Christ" doctrine. while they are anti-Christ. . they are perhaps not the "beast" described in the bible.

2. the scripture u quoted above is IMO not as literal as u choose to make it. IF any one comes out to literally defy the name of God and call himself God, he would be immediately labelled anti-Christ. . .and his plans would never succeed. the above scripture is IMO prophetic and it represents the sum of the spiritual inactions of the anti-Christ. I dont think they constitute his physical actions.
there are billions of people who subscribe to the existence of God. . .but do not necessarily know Him. . .do u not think they would rebel against anyone claiming to be God?

We are there already . . . 2 Tim 3

so when will the sons of God manifest?

huxley:
Supposing God asked your to kill members of you family, friends, or neighbours, would you obey God's orders?  Supposing you BELIEVED unflinchingly that you have heard from God and that there is no way you could be mistaken about it, would you carry out the acts of killing your family, friends or neighbours?

those who worship god know the nature of God. . . .why not strive to meet God to know His nature. . .that way u stop asking/making ridiculous assertions.