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Christianity Etc › Re: The Purpose And Usefulness Of Certain End-time Biblical Prophecies by noetic16(m): 9:14pm On Mar 10, 2010

davidylan:
Interestingly i do subscribe to that interpretation of Daniel chapter 2 for the following reasons:

1. Daniel correctly identifies the various symbols on that statue as kingdoms. Infact he makes it pretty easy for us to understand the interpretation of this dream.

2. The head of Gold is identified as babylon . . . Dan 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for t[b]he God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.[/b]
38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

At this time, Nebuchadnezzar was the ruler of the vast Babylonian empire.

3. Daniel says the second kingdom as the bosom and arms of silver that will come after the fall of the Babylonian empire - Dan 2:39. Not surprisingly this is identified as the Medo-Persian empire that overthrew Nebuchanezzar's son, Belshazar.
Dan 5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.
31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

4. Dan 2:39 also says the kingdom of brass will come directly after the Medo-Persian empire . . . this empire is identified as the Grecian empire under Alexander the great which overthrew the Medo-Persian empire in 550BC (not sure of the dates now).

5. The legs of Iron is the Roman empire which came following the death of Alexander the great and the subsequent decline of the Grecian empire.

6. The toes are made up of partly iron (this indicates it would probably morph from the remnants of the Roman empire) and clay.
- I would wager that the toes made of partly iron and clay signifies the rise of the Anglo-American empire. Follow the fall of Rome, the British empire took over and exists till today partly in alliance with the US (the only super power left on earth).

Interesting and indeed accurate analyses to a very large extent. but it still leaves us with questions asking. . .what next? , . .

Christianity Etc › Re: The Purpose And Usefulness Of Certain End-time Biblical Prophecies by noetic16(m): 8:57pm On Mar 10, 2010

JeSoul:
Noetic,
thank you for this heartfelt response. Several things I'd like to touch on:

I'm gleaning from the above that you have the gift of prophecy and visions. And I find the bolded part most interesting . . . it holds parallels for many biblical prophecies.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Correct me if I'm misunderstanding you here, you partly hold that since we cannot influence or change prophecy then - until the time of its fulfilment. Did I quote you right?

Rightly so. . , and this is largely due to my personal spiritual experiences. . . . .man has little or no influence over these things.
The ability to correctly understand these prophecies is on its own a gift. . . . .the ability to decipher what spiritual season we are in now is another gift on its own.

Take for instance Paul talks about the manifestation of the sons of God (romans 8:19). . . .John talks about those who Jesus gave the power to become the sons of God (John 1:12) and Paul also talks about those who truly are the sons of God (romans 8:14).
So we know from (john1:12 and romans 8:14) those who Paul was talking about in romans 8:19.

A literal deduction from the above is that the "adopted" sons of God through Christ Jesus would excel right here on earth. how would they excel? what does it mean to excel?. . .would they hold positions of influence? would they be financially bouyant? would they become very powerful like Joseph or Daniel? would they become world leaders?
How does this prophecy by Paul reflect on the gospel of the many thieves and charlatans in the church whose only message is prosperity? could they be right after all? . . .when is this season Paul was talking about?. . . . .it is definitely before the anti-Christ.

From Paul's prophecy. . . . .it is obvious that the sons of God would excel exceptionally. This means that perhaps we are not yet in the season of the anti-Christ, or in the purported last days.

of course I might be wrong. . . .but who exactly can tell as to what spiritual season we are in? there are too many prophetic revelations in the bible. . . .that have no chronological order. It is in lieu of this that I believe that the best shot is not to try to interpret these prophecies with mere human theological knowledge. . . .these interpretations do more harm than good. innocent people have been ignorantly labelled anti-Christ.

Can you briefly name a few?

I do not speak as a spiritual authority. . .but neither do I subscribe to many end-time notions.

1. the case of the rapture. The biblical description of the rapture by the Lord is too "unclothed". if two people walk and one suddenly disappears, there would be global panic and many would know that the rapture has taken place. . . . .and this IMO does not convey the message Jesus was trying to teach. He was IMO simply talking about the unexpected nature of the rapture (and His subsequent return) and the context does not convey that the world would know of the rapture.

2. the Anti-Christ. who really is the anti-Christ? is he a person, a nation, group of nations or an institution. many people have been labelled anti-Christ. but yet there are billions of anti-Christs walking all over this planet, . . . .my take is that God has a far deeper message to us concerning the anti-Christ. do I know this message. . . no I dont.

3. 666. No one would willingly collect the 666 mark. . . . .so it might come in the form of a necessary innovation. . . .a necessity we just cannot do without, like the internet, our debit or credit cards. oyster cards and many other necessities.
would anyone willingly receive the 666 mark, knowing fully well that it is a 666 mark? regardless of whether they are xtians or not, the fact that it is the much mentioned 666 is a bad selling point for the anti-Christ.

4. End of the world. when exactly is the end of the world? . . . . .my take is the world like all other creations are coming to an end. . . but we are not yet at the very end. I might be wrong. . but the end all persons should be looking out for is the one stated in hebrews 9:27.
This should be the end that should concern every individual.

5 the judgement of God. many times many preachers try to prick on the emotions of people to say that certain wicked persons in society would receive judgements from God with immediate effect. I have learnt that this is FALSE. The persecution xtians suffer usually has the signature of God on it. . .largely within the plan of God. . that explains what was stated in psalm 34:19 that "many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivers Him from them all" . . . . .I was once being persecuted at work. . . I prayed about it, I was going to confront my managers. . . guess what God told me . . , He said "do not confront anyone, see me working through them to make u a better person". . . . .This singular persecution turned out for good and changed my understanding of events.

Christianity Etc › Re: Could You Give Me One Piece Of Significant Evidence Of A God? by noetic16(m): 8:23pm On Mar 10, 2010

uhmn. . .quite evasive IMO

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Bible God's Words? by noetic16(m): 8:20pm On Mar 10, 2010

muhsin:
In not making any effort to depend or support what Dolemite says there, I wonder whether these words (in qoute) were really written by Noetic, our old Noetic? Or is this some sort of transformation? I say that because if truly deduction reflects our exposure and intelligence Noetic will be. . .

BTW, welcome aboard.

Thanks for the welcoming. . .how have u been? cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: The Purpose And Usefulness Of Certain End-time Biblical Prophecies by noetic16(m): 8:02pm On Mar 10, 2010

davidylan:
Noetic16, i seem to have a different opinion to yours.

Luke 21: 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

What are these signs? How are we to know when they come to pass?

with regards to the above and other EXPLICITLY stated prophetic words . . . I do agree with you as to us knowing when they come to pass. . . .simply because Jesus was explicit. . .He told of wars and signs.

but the case of Daniel and revelation are not so. . . .they refer to objects and dates and days and symbols many of which cannot be easily deciphered. it is in this regard that I also view some dreams I see. . . should one dismiss the symbols and objects?. . or what meaning should one make of them?

let me ask u. . . . .do u subscribe to Deepsights post stating the Jehovah witness interpretation? . . . .and why?

2. I believe many of these prophecies can best be known after they have come to pass. . . . .despite us from seeing such visions.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Purpose And Usefulness Of Certain End-time Biblical Prophecies by noetic16(m): 6:37pm On Mar 10, 2010

JeSoul:
-Can we truly know for certain which of these various interpretations are accurate?

I think it is best not to interpret these prophecies at all. my answer is deduced from my personal life.
personally, the biggest challenge I am facing today in my xtian life is the personal revelation of the ontological nature of God I have believed all my life. I have been taught that God is omnipotent, scient, present, puissant and sapient. getting closer to God and seeing these very natures of God is really really very scary. my ability to see visions before they attain reality is a scary exercise.

These visions are not for distant or future events alone, but for daily events that occur all through life about myself and the world around me. The visions do not strike me, what strikes me is their ability to come to pass. when these visions are about me, they come to pass without any slight input from me. . .implying that with or without my consent. . .these visions (which may also involve actions from me) come to pass.

My personal reaction is that. . . No one knows 1% about God. for clarity I would say that there is a big external force outside of existence that controls all things in existence. . .His biggest strength is that He lives outside of existence. Life as we see it today is a stage managed affair, when u consider the potency of visions and prophecies. what explanation would one for the manifestation of a future vision or prophecy given donkey years ago? . . . . the manifestation can easily be linked to the one who made the prophecy in the first place. . God. God also has a far "over-bearing influence" in our individuals. . . . but for my faith in God, I would have resented God because of the potency my visions and my inability to prevent any of it from happening.

Another good example is the biblical Peter. when Jesus foretold peter's denial. . .peter rebuked such claims stating that he'd rather die with the Lord than betray Him. . . , peter only remembered this encounter after he'd denied the Lord thrice. did peter really have a say in influencing the prophecy made by the Lord? . . . , And also the only psychological explanation to the fact that the disciples did not pick up arms against their persecutors was because Jesus foretold their persecution in sordid details. . . .my submission is that Jesus knows far too much than we think.

To answer ur question. . . there is no point interpreting these prophecies. . cos they are hardly meant to be understood (at least not for everyone). . . . .many times I do not understand my visions or words of revelations until they have attained manifestation. . . .this readily implies that perhaps they were not fully meant to be understood.

if every one knew how exactly the 666 mark would come about. . . , no one would take it. but how are u sure that by using a debit/credit card, u are not carrying a 666 mark?

-Should we even be trying to figure out these prophecies? when for the most part they seem unsearchable? (that is answers may never be known until the events actually occur).

The general populace CANNOT at any given time understand the implications of biblical prophecies. This is simply because it was not meant to be. IMO most of the commonly held end-time notions are wrong. . .as no man knows the times or season for events to happen. . . .I doubt anyone would really notice the rapture. . . .as hollywood is subtly informing us of alien kidnaps. . . .neither would anyone notice the last 7 years. . , . as the world would be too concerned about having peace.

These prophecies seem unsearchable simply because God has the exclusive preserve of times and brings about the manifestation of these prophecies in an "uneventful" way.

-Are there any practical applications (for todays christian) from any knowledge that may be gleaned from studies on end-time prophecy?

The major prophecy IMO for latter day believers should be that "it is appointed to for men to die and after which judgement follows".
many extra-biblical sources including biblical interpretations have ulterior motives. . , .how do u explain the many xtain claims that George Bush was the anti-Christ? now they say it is Obama. . .some say prince Charles. . . . .the last 4 popes have been called anti-Christ. the term "anti-Christ" is now unfortunately synonymous with success. , . .why then should anyone succumb to the ill conceived prophetic interpretations of some "theological" illiterates.

The best source of such knowledge is from God, . . . .and many times He refrains the recipients from disclosing such revelations.

-Or is the passionate, fervent study[b] itself[/b] (and not necessarily the achievement of solid answers) the reward? I'm inclined mostly towards this position based on 1Pet below:

Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

My deduction from the above passage is that times and seasons remain the exclusive preserve of God. . .as not even angels know of the several seasons, . . . , seasons here refers to time for the manifestation of prophecies.

Islam › Re: How To Prove To A Christian That Jesus Was A Muslim? by noetic16(m): 3:58pm On Mar 10, 2010

davidylan:
i'm not watching youtube videos. Post your questions here.

AND I MUST WARN YOU . . . DO NOT GO AHEAD AND ASK THE THREAD TO BE DELETED SHOULD YOU RUN INTO TROUBLE.

this got me laffin really hard grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Inesqor On The Salvation Of The Non-christian by noetic16(m): 3:55pm On Mar 10, 2010

MyJoe:
Field Marshall Deep Sight, I think this will only detract from the topic. I would treat mavenbox as mavenbox and InesQor as InesQor. Even if true, it would appear you and Tudor are accusing someone of being anonymous in an anonymous forum.

DeepSight is hereby pronounced guilty and sentenced to . . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Bible God's Words? by noetic16(m): 3:53pm On Mar 10, 2010

Dolemite:
. . .get off your high horse idiot, who ever told you that you had any atom of intellect in you must have deceived you greatly, either that or mummy must have dropped you on your FAT head one too many times as a child, like a typical Christian you'd rather haul idiotic insults to make yourself look less gullible than you really are. . .i guess that's what they teach you fools in Sunday school these days. Intellectual arguments my aching black backside, with who you? give me a break.
That is just one of my NUMEROUS deductions of the bullshit known as the bible, I don't have enough time or interest to explain the plenty errors in the bible to a gullible buffoon such as yourself. . .like a typical Christian your pride and ego won't let you engage in a civilized debate, instead you decide to attack with condescending remarks - so you'd rather wallow in ignorance aka faith, which further proves my claim that ALL Christians are just full of shet!

1. u made a RIDICULOUSLY incompetent assertion by calling the bible "bullshit". . . . .yet u are unable to profer potent reasons to back up your claim. . .what does that say about u?. . . . it shows u are a dull brainwashed empty head, who is unable to independently decipher a thought.

2. how come u suddenly dont have time to establish that the bible is full of "bullshit"?. . . . .but u had the time to respond twice to my post huh

. . . .please go get a life and while u are it get educated. . .that way u are able to construct arguments to back your ridiculous assertions.

3. I was thought in sunday school to be an exemplary Christian. I have NOT insulted or abused u. . . . or have I? all I did was to DESCRIBE you based on my deductions from your post. my deductions include that u are uneducated, incapable of forming an independent thought or constructing an argument. You are not the first person on this forum to criticise the bible. . .but u are the first to do so without being able to construct a backing argument. . no matter how ridiculous.

4. please get a life. . . . pick up a bible and read. . . that way u know what u are talking about next time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inesqor On The Salvation Of The Non-christian by noetic16(m): 3:32pm On Mar 10, 2010

I hate to think I am stalking DeepSight. . , . but why has he refused to answer my posers?

Christianity Etc › Re: Suicide Bombing According To The Bible by noetic16(m): 3:23pm On Mar 10, 2010

ajoguegbe:
Noetic, I like your passion for defending God. But next time I suggest you make furthjer searches before commenting. You should have read the Blog first to find out what it says. But I sincerely love your kind of person. But visit the blog.

I visited ur blog and actually saw that twas a rich and well-thought out article. . . .abuzola could not have written such. . , so I withdraw my initial statement.

However, me thinks the thread title should have been better framed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Bible God's Words? by noetic16(m): 2:55pm On Mar 10, 2010

Dolemite:
If this is true you must be an arrogant egotistical buffoon who sits on his high horse making silly assumptions about people he knows nothing about.

our deductions also reflect our exposure and intelligence.

from ur post above. . it is obvious that u are deranged, uneducated, imbecilic slowpoke who is not capable of intelligently conceiving a thought and making intellectual arguments.

The fact that it was written by man, and is filled with silly ideas only man can come up with. . . in Leviticus where it says parents should kill their children if they curse them, Paul telling women not to speak in church, not to mention the millions of contradictions within the bible itself.

please refer to my above post. . . . . if this is ur deduction from the 66 books of the bible. . .then ur education has been a waste. u need to re-enrol into a primary school asap.

Christianity Etc › Re: Lest We Forget What Jesus Came On Earth For by noetic16(m): 10:42am On Mar 10, 2010

huxley:
Yes, many millions of people. Did Jesus not kill all living souls (except Noah's family) in the Great Noah Flood? Have you never heard of Sodom and Gomorah? Jesus has killed many millions of people in the past and continues killing people today?

I thought Noah's generation and Sodom and Gomorrah were just tales of an "imaginary Jesus"? why would u believe such?
Anyway, the above people received DIVINE judgement for their sins . . . , they were no physically killed with a sword or knife.

Since your atheistic beliefs forbids u from subscribing to divine judgements. . . .why then does the fate of Noah's generation and Sodom and Gomorrah bother u so much?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Bible God's Words? by noetic16(m): 10:37am On Mar 10, 2010

Dolemite:
Bible = Bullshit.

our comments reflects our person. . . . .would I be wrong to say u are uneducated at the very least?
how EXACTLY does the bible constitute bullshit?

Christianity Etc › Re: Lest We Forget What Jesus Came On Earth For by noetic16(m): 10:27am On Mar 10, 2010

rich_john:
tobaaaaaaaaaaaa,
you aren't answering the question, you are asking another one, the question once again is why would jesus say such a thing? I hope you know how many millions have been killed in the name of 'jesus' by the Roman Catholic Church TRULY he's a man of 'peace'

did Jesus kill anyone? did His disciples kill anyone?

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Tell Your Parents You Are Becoming A Satanist. by noetic16(m): 7:55pm On Mar 09, 2010

tpia.:
[size=20pt]JESUS PUNISH DEVIL[/size]

its been a while madam. . . , how af u been? cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Suicide Bombing According To The Bible by noetic16(m): 7:27pm On Mar 09, 2010

why is the OP the very first post of the poster? . . . . .this is because ajoguegbe is the same person as abuzola grin

changing names does not make ur posts effective. . . getting educated will surely make ur posts more effective.

Christianity Etc › Re: Moral Argument by noetic16(m): 7:24pm On Mar 09, 2010

toneyb:
What is noetic arguing about?

I should be the one asking u this question.

NO, NO and NO. They are the same. Here is what morality means. "Morality refers to personal or cultural values, codes of conduct or social mores that distinguish between right and wrong in the human society." Laws are made to uphold societal moral values.

GBAM GBAM GBAM

from the above statement it is quite obvious that u understand the issue at discourse. Laws and morals are two completely different things. morals are independent of laws. . .but laws are derived from morals.

If the law of the land stipulates that the required age for contesting presidential office is 40, then any body under 40 that seeks the office of the president has commited a moral offence.

Any employer that pays his/her employee below what the minimum wage that is stipulated by the law of the land is has commited a moral offnce according to the law of the land.

If monopoly is an objection or a violation of the law, any body that violates such a law as commited a moral offence.

The failue of the govenment to provide free education in countries where the govenment has made it mandatory that they provide free education to its citizens is morally wrong and thus can be said to be a moral offence on the part of the govenment.

There is nothing morally wrong with communism as long as the people agree to liove by it and accept its principles. It might be considered morally wrong by those who do not accept that system of govenment.

They are ALL right or wrong depending on weather a group of people choose to accept them as their moral code of conduct. Lets take the minimum wage issue, Once it has been determined by the govenment and made law it becomes morally reprehensible for any employer to violate it and pay less than what has been stipulated as the minimum wage.

u have chosen to ignore the context in which the posers were raised. . thats misleading.

what is the moral crime commited if a 35 year old chooses to serve his nation in the capacity as president?
what is the moral crime commited by an entrepreneur who chooses to invest in a monopolitic sector?

The 35 year old and the entrepreneur have committed no moral crime . . . , their individual vision and ambitions are however limited by the laws of the land. This implies that morals and laws are NOT the same. That a case is morally right does not make it legally right. . .that a case is legally right does not make it morally right.

Laws only enforce the moral views of people. Moral rules come about after a goal has been formed
It is the behavior that will have the best chance of allowing the people to reach the goal.That also shows why when there is no goal morality breaks down.

I am sorry to say but you don't know what you are saying. Laws are ways which a society upholds its moral standards.

what is this? shocked

do the police arrest people for lying to a friend or their spouse? . . it is morally wrong to lie to anyone. . .but the police do not arrest anyone for lying to a friend.
but the police arrests anyone who lies under oath. . .why? . . . .cos the laws says no one should lie to the judge or under oath.
this my dear, infers that the law does not enforce moral values. . the law is indifferent to moral values. the law (police) only enforces stipulated laws.

This is VERY FALSE. There is nothing that is embedded in human conscience. People learn what to accept as morally right or wrong through trail and error. Tell me, Do the cannibals who mazaje allude to that ate the flesh of their enemies think they were doing something morally wrong? What about the Nigerian tribe who killed their twins? Do they believe they were doing something that was morally wrong? If morality is embedded in human conscience then why will a group of people decide to eat the flesh of another group of people? Why will some people choose to stone to death their disobedient children?

and where is ur proof?

Christianity Etc › Re: Could You Give Me One Piece Of Significant Evidence Of A God? by noetic16(m): 7:11pm On Mar 09, 2010

noetic16:
where is deepsight?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Religion Of Jesus (peace Be Upon Him) by noetic16(m): 7:07pm On Mar 09, 2010

Deep Sight:
And how did Noetic suddenly arrive on this thread?

I am permanently convinced: David is Noetic

the same way u are convinced. Jesus aint God. . right?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Religion Of Jesus (peace Be Upon Him) by noetic16(m): 7:06pm On Mar 09, 2010

Deep Sight:
How come Noetic's absence on this forum also coincided with your absence? ? ?

Were you both busy together?

OOOOOOOOPPPPPPPS!!!

u ignored the fact that david disappeared long before I did.
and why did u avoid my questions on the other thread?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Religion Of Jesus (peace Be Upon Him) by noetic16(m): 7:05pm On Mar 09, 2010

Suhaibu:
Christ has no implication in Islam. We call Jesus in Quran Esaa. We only for the purpose of english readers use Jesus Christ. In fact even Jesus is not the real name of Jesus. His real name was Yeheshua/Esau. We only use Jesus as it is the english usage of the word.

But you are arguing like a woman. I don't know yet what you want to prove from the word Christ.
What do you want to prove?

are u so dumb?

can u not see that by calling Jesus a "CHRIST". . . .u have negated all the lies and fallacies established in the tenets of islam by allah and mohammed. if Jesus is Christ. . . .then islamic allah and mohammed are liars and a fraud.

Since there is no islamic notion for anointing anyone. . .how then do u explain Jesus anointing?
There are so many gaps in the islamic lies of allah. . . . .they aint worth pursuing.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Tell Your Parents You Are Becoming A Satanist. by noetic16(m): 7:03pm On Mar 09, 2010

another comic relief grin

but why be a satanist if u can live for God?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Religion Of Jesus (peace Be Upon Him) by noetic16(m): 6:59pm On Mar 09, 2010

Deep Sight:
David abeg confess jaare. . . Are you noetic? ? ?

in ur dreams.

on a second thought. . . . .David's use of those dotted lines in quite similar.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Weeping Prophet by noetic16(m): 12:43pm On Mar 09, 2010

Jaylone:
@ nuella2

If the Christian that sins dies in his sins or is in his sins when Jesus comes, he will PERISH.

@noetic16

Truly the unpopular gospel is hardly preached today. Can you imagine that time is grinding to a close and the signs of the end-time is glaring in our sights, yet the only gospel we hear people preach is that of a merciful GOD who is sooooooooooooooooo forgiving even when the ways of sinners and church goers are not right?

A merciful GOD should be preached with a condition that the sinner is repentant and not as if GOD is begging and can't do without a sinner of sinning church goer.

The problem is that I have this burden but honestly don't know where to start

1. The truth is that one of the fruits of salvation is humility, restitution and genuine repentance which is effectively absent in todays churches. how then do we affirm that those who claim to give their lives to Christ as seen in many crusades, actually do so?
The only evidence the church wants for ur "born-again" is to constantly come to church. . . . .and the only evidence needed to ascertain that u have received the holy Ghost is to speak in uninterpretable tongues. These are both false and misleading.
This explains why many claim to be xtians but live their lives full of sin. . .they are also constantly encouraged by the pulpit which continues to emphasize forgiveness, . . .lets not go into that. . . .cos cans of worms would be opened.

2. The only reason why lots of people are endlessly misled is due to the lack of the holy spirit in their lives. The spirit was sent to teach and reveal all things. . . . . .yet many self confessed xtains live in ignorance of the true gospel.

3. if u listen well to the counsel of the holy ghost. . . , he is telling when, where and how to start the preaching of the burden laid in ur heart. learn to train ur hears to hear God.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Weeping Prophet by noetic16(m): 12:33pm On Mar 09, 2010

nuella2:
What are you saying? That God do not forgive the christian if he sin? What is sin to you sef? Do you know how many billion people do not even believe the gospel? Then the believing ones will perish, because God will not forgive them if they sin. Even after Jesus has paid the price. Forgiveness of sin is for the christian, remission is for the unsaved. So you dont sin abi, sin is not only fornication and adultery hope you know. It could be pride, greed, lying, lust, hadred infact faithlessness is sin.

this is RIDICULOUS

A christian is NOT a slave of sin. A christian died to sin at the moment he met Christ. (romans 6:2)(go read the entire romans 6).
believing in the gospel does not automatically make u the child of God. . . . , by believing in the gospel, u receive the power to become the son of God (john 1:!2) . . . . by constantly being led by the spirit u become the son of God. (romans 8:14)

The spirit does not lead anyone to sin. . .u sin simply because u choose to allow the will of the flesh to prevail. So regardless of wether u are a church goer or not. . . . .a sinner remains a sinner. . .every sinner unless repentant has a place in hell.

Dont go about deceiving urself. . . a continous daily surrender to the counsel of the spirit is the daily dosage every believer must take.

Christianity Etc › Re: Lest We Forget What Jesus Came On Earth For by noetic16(m): 10:57pm On Mar 08, 2010

huxley:
That Jesus (if he existed) was a vile, reprehensible and evil man, to be avoided by all peace-loving people.

would the above not amount to illiteracy on ur part considering that Jesus never killed anyone. . , and neither is there an account of division in families as a result of belief in Jesus.

why rule out the possibility of that verse meaning more than its face value?

Christianity Etc › Re: Lest We Forget What Jesus Came On Earth For by noetic16(m): 10:05pm On Mar 08, 2010

and whats ur deduction from the highlighted verse?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Weeping Prophet by noetic16(m): 10:03pm On Mar 08, 2010

Jaylone:
I think the world need another Jeremiah, Elijah and David. But the one I think is needed most is Jeremiah. WHY? He was a weeping prophet, crying out for GOD for a nation that had gone to idolatry. His words "Thus saith the LORD, What iniquity have your fathers found in me, that they are gone far from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain?" With many such words he portrayed GOD crying for His lost children to come home.

DON'T the world need someone like this?

Please comment

1. Jeremiah as far as I am concerned is one of the greatest prophets that ever lived. he is uncelebrated today simply because he did no miracles. . . but jeremiah preached an unpopular message from God to a disobedient people.

Can u imagine a person who calls himself a prophet and asks that people surrender to an invading nation (nebudcadnezar) without resistance . . .claiming it is the will of the Lord. meanwhile hundreds of other prophets were prophesying that the army of israel would have victory. his message cost him a lot. . . , accrording to extra-biblical sources. . Jeremiah lost his place in the temple (as a high priest to the king), lost his place in his family (his father disowned him), lost his fiancée (she was killed by the kings soldiers), he was repeatedly imprisoned, beaten and almost lynched all because of his unpopular message.

2. The prophetic life of Jeremiah should teach anyone that the will of God is not a straight-forward "everything is rosy and nice party". Imagine Jeremiah preaching that soldiers surrender to a foreign idolator called nebudcadnezzar. he also preached to those already in bondage that their slavery in babylon is according to the will of God and that a new season will come.

3. we need prophets like Jeremiah in this blasphemous generation to preach the unpopular message of God and lead us all back to the cross.

Christianity Etc › Re: Could You Give Me One Piece Of Significant Evidence Of A God? by noetic16(m): 6:45pm On Mar 08, 2010

where is deepsight?

Christianity Etc › Re: Moral Argument by noetic16(m): 1:36am On Mar 08, 2010

jagunlabi:
I thought before an act can be passed off as the "NORM" in a society, it has to have been pushed through some sort of moral scrutiny and passed with flying colors.If a society does not see an act as moral, i don't see how it can become a norm.

why is "yahoo yahoo" a norm amongst nigerian youths? is fraud morally justifiable?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Sunday Offering (1) - Fix It ! by noetic16(m): 10:42pm On Mar 07, 2010

what has ur nice OP got to do with sunday offerings?

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