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dalaman:
I don't think neotic has ever contributed anything meaningful to any thread yet he still goes around calling others ignorant and foolish.

My defensive acts are now a crime. . . , but no one was complaining when atheists and muslims were always on the offensive making baseless and false misinformation and making others look stupid.

please enjoy this FALLACY.

Lennox13:
Some people on NL religious section are too hypnotize to see the truth or any meaningful information, all they do is jump on people and try to bully them or to make them look stupid i.e
And they claim to know the bible more than anyone else, am sick and tired of such people

whats the truth?  and where is ur meaningful information?
what EXACTLY is the relevance of ur post to the thread? Again a meaningless rant.

Forum is to get information, educate yourself and share opinion and not for people to start religious wars and put people down(bullying)

This must stop!!!!!!!  When people post information or life experiences, it's not for us to judge or to leave some ridiculous messages and think we are contributing to the post, you are only making your self look stupid,
i thought am the only one that noticed this guys post ( noetic2) , anywhere his post/reply is  always to make people look stupid and senseless,  am glad someone pointed that out to him. I don't have any problem with anyone here, but i just think people should be more accommodating and act like adults.

If you can add to the post, no need to just drop some stupid comments. At least act mature if you are not. Thanks

if thats how u feel, then good luck to u.

olabowale:
Like my business partner said to her son; "Ugene, you are a lawyer, but you aint the boss of me". You do not determine my position. I determine that with reason.

It is Olabowale unless you are saying to me that this is the nickname that you gave me?


I have produced the haddith that establishes that

(Not in Arabic, since you do not understand a word of it; looking like a 6 year old and being actually a 6 year old are two different thing. Late Tinuka Oshinnuga could have still be able to be mistaken for a 20 something year old, if she were alivetoday because of her small stature. Yet she woul be have been turning 50 years old, this year. Emmanuel Lewis the famous small statured actor of the 1980's still look more like a little boy, even up till today. I ask you; do you know how to read arabic, because the last time I know, so many people gave Fa as And, instead of its true meaning So! But my many submission above is better unless you can discredit it)!

simply Rubbish.

Are u disputing the words of allah? are u saying allah and his servants are lying? allah says she was six and so be it.

a. mohammed courted a 6 year old aisha

If its was not accepted in their society where at that time the life expectance was propbably around 40 at best, I can not see Abu Bakr standing for it! Afterall, in many issues people like Umar had expressed different opinions. I wonder why he did not? By the way you are a Yoruba man; what age is maturity and women are ready for marriage? You live in England, what age is marriage, and what age did Diana marry the old man childlike character Prince Charles?

b. that he had sex with her at the age of 9

And he waited 3 years, and you think he was a pedophile? When have you seen a man who waited for his wife to mature , for a whole 3 years? Is that a pedophile? What is the significant of that waiting period, while her parent and the whole society said nothing about it? By the way it was in Makka, and the people who were his enemies, the disbelievers did not use that single condition to accuse him, holding it over his head? If it was bad and unacceptable in their society, would they not have said, "see what a man who wants us to abandone our better way for this filthy and shameless sexual thing he has just introduced? And where is his morals when he sleeps with a young underage child?"

He was definitely thighing her during those three years. or what else was he doing, considering that he had a total of 11 wives?

do u consider a 9 year old matured? would u marry off ur 9 year old daughter? abeg, stop all this tirade.

c. aisha was still a small girl with dolls and play mates

Do you know anything about women?The best of women have dolls in their room; bedroom and private for her only place. A grown woman becomes a girl around the man she loves! You have a lot to learn, man. You should ask strong woman (is my term of endearmennt) $Osisi what she becomes when she gets home. She is no more a Dr., but a nurse! Talk about playing it down. My bride old enough to be your mother becomes a girl around me! Find out how man and woman behave, its unlike boy and girl!!

This is ridiculous. please read that haddith again and the see the literal denotations. Aisha was a small and immature girl just waking up to the realities of life. playing with baby dolls with her friends.

d. aisha father was uncomfortable with mohammed's inaction.

And throughout his life, Abu Bakr (RA) never raised objection and never complained to somebody about this objection. Yet he was called al sudik (the truth believer! Ask thiefofheart; when I psted the fact that I do not want to be a father of daughter(s), she had a feat. Every father who have Ghair (good shame; I hope you will experience it) do not feel comfortable, at the first time that somebody says to him that his daughter is who he wants. Zainab's father had to bite his lips when he knew his daughter is gone from his hand and she is putting in mine! Should Abu Bakr a muslim and an arab be different? Soon the father is happy when the daughter is gone! Learn about women and their father

If u were aisha's father could u have challenged mohammed? mohammed was a legendary warrior who killed at the slightest provocation in the name of allah. Aisha's father had no choice than to show his resentment. his resentment was obvious in his response to mo that he felt that they were brothers.

I have also defined a paedophile and established that mohammed is indeed a paedophile.

I did not see your definition. Mine was up and you have a good sight, you couldn't have missed it, I think! Please present your definition, again and give me your qualification as to why you think you are accurate about your conclusion. will your pedophilia, adjective and pedophile, noun definitiion be okay say in Igo, or banbara or Pigmise, or napal or Yoruba lands? How about the native Americans, or the Mayans of southern America or the Amezonian people of remote Brasil (Brazil)?

A paedophile is: an adult who is sexually attracted to children
mohammed was sexually attracted to a 6 year old child called aisha. he eventually had sex with her when she was 9 years old. mohammed is as such a paedophile.

As a child, in Nigeria, some people had to be admitted to primary school, until they can put their arm across their head and reach their ear! If they cant then they wait till the following year. Yet, some taller person in their age group or even a year or two younger will be admitted because their arms are all the way as it is supposed to be. I remember a young woman telling me how hard her father worked to be educated, being the first in their village! He started primary school about the age of 13 or even older. Now who will think this is possible, except that it happened?

Bad processing of argument I see from the Chrsitians.

@Tudor: I do have a life away from Nairaland.

very irrelevant. Is it not amusing that u could not refute any of my assertions using either ur koran or haddith. This simply shows that allah was . . .

dalaman:
OK

I don't want to appear as if I am asking too much questions but what really is non body and unconscious personality? The brain has been empirically shown to be the basis for instincts and acumen,dreams and all decision making including knowing how to differentiate between what is write and wrong. A person who's brain is unconscious can not know what is right and what is wrong and has no instinct and acumen. It has been empirically shown that the brain controls all the things you have said about the soul unless if you mean the brain is the soul.

u keep embarrassing urself. use a dictionary to decipher what a body and consciousness means, then try to make up the opposite.
whats all this rubbish about the brain, why did u not clarify ur understanding of soul in reference to a brain.

Are you saying that the brain survives human death? All the things you attributed to the spiritual consciousness have been empirically shown to be a function of the brain.

I don't think it does.

I am saying the soul survives death.

bindex:
You can say that again, A simple I don't know will do instead of all these pathetic and deluded "explanations" we have seen from neotic so far.

What is this please? Entire composition of a person? Non body unconscious personality? . Where is your evidence for all these nonsense? Must you tell lies to yourself because you want to keep deluding yourself? Actually that is what delusion is all about people lying to themselves. Non body unconscious personality indeed.

This is truly pathetic because you just talked about some of the functions of the brain. The brain is the basis for all these. A person that has no brain can not do any of the things you have listed. The brain controls all moral instincts. It has been shown empirically that the brain controls every thought including all moral and immoral thought. What you call the moral acknowledgment is a function of the brain. The brain is the basis for all theses and it has been shown empirically.

Do you have any evidence to back up your very ridiculous and dumb claims?

As dalaman said are you talking about the brain?

always remeber ur choice of ignoring my posts.

dalaman:
It is very clear that you are not interested in having any meaningful conversation. I admit that I don't know what the soul is, you claim to know what it is and gave a definition of what the soul is according to your own understanding. Your answer raised more questions than it actually answered. You made some assertion, I believe you should be able to explain them.

Here are my questions again.

Well knowing how this line of arguments tend to draw to, It is pertinent I ask u to also define a soul. but fair enough u dont know what a soul is.

What do you mean by spiritual consciousness of a man?

The spiritual consciousness of a man refers to the entire composition of a person, his non-bodyand unconscious personality.
Which is usually the basis of instincts, acumen, decisions to acknowledge right from wrong, the subsequent rewards/consequences et all.

The spiritual consciousness is the part that survives from the human structure after death and as such receives eternal life.

How is the soul distinct from the body, how does it affect the human body and in what part of the human body does the soul reside?

I believe the clarification above addresses this questions

toneyb:
You "definition" is not only false but truly embarrassing. You said that physical consciousness is derived from the soul. But ALL empirical evidence point to the brain as the source of ALL human consciousness. So your claim is VERY false. If you insist that human consciousness is derived from the soul then you have to provide empirical evidence to show for it.

What you call the soul is what I call the brain. Empirical evidence show that the brain is the ONLY source of human consciousness everything about human consciousness begins an ends in the brain. Where is your evidence that show that the soul is where the human consciousness is derived from? Every body can make wild assertions.

You made the wild assertion so you have to defend or provide evidence to back up your wild assertions.

should I take this as ur definition of a soul?

cool

[quote author=*Shentz* link=topic=86589.msg4145390#msg4145390 date=1246911703]I want to see you[/quote]sure. . . . .


why dont u send me an e-mail.

toneyb:
Asking me to tell you what the soul is is like asking me to tell you what the invisible pink unicorn that orbits the moon is. You came up with an embarrassing definition of what the soul is a definition that you can not even explain. You made very wild claims that the soul is where physical consciousness is derived. Where is your evidence for this very wild claim? . ALL empirical evidence show that the brain is where ALL consciousness is derived from. Where is your evidence for your wild claim about human consciousness being derived from the soul? How is the soul distinct from the body? You made that claims so explain your wild assertions.

What evidence do you have for the soul as a distinct entity from the body? Where is your evidence to show that it outlives the human body? What is the soul and how does it affect the human body?

do u actually THINK before u write this things? what EXACTLY do u do with ur head?

my definition is only false and embarrassing if u know a better and more explicit definition of a soul. but as usual, u are intellectually LAZY and mentally dependent of the junks u get from google.


DEFINE A SOUL

where is olabs and his tails.

Yes. . . , what about me?

dalaman:
What do you mean by spiritual consciousness of a man? How is the soul distinct from the body, how does it affect the human body and in what part of the human body does the soul reside? Your answer raises more question.
I if I knew what the soul is I wouldn't be asking what it is.

It does because u have little or no idea of the subject matter.

I wont be playing this according to ur rules. make an attempt to define what a soul is, make an assertion or statement that reflects ur understanding of a soul, then I would respond to ur questions.

pretty.





wetin I do u?

toneyb:
The lies people keep telling themselves . What is a spirit? All physical consciousness are derived from the brain and there is empirical evidence to show that the brain is the ONLY source of human consciousness. Where is you empirical evidence for the soul?

In what part of the body does the soul reside and how is the soul distinct from the body? All talk and NO substance.

Shaaaarap and dont be lazy.

what is a soul?

wirinet:
Noetic your oneliners are becoming annoying, you contribute nothing, absolutely nothing to any discussion on nairaland save your standard responses. If you disagree with any argument or anything, highlight them and give your own responses or counter-arguments, not this is nonsense, you are uneducated, rubbish, you have not proved or said anything, etc. If you cannot proffer any point or argument then i will have to ignore your one-liners.

I believe that I highlighted the parts that seem gaby in italics.

u claimed to be a christian, now atheist, scientist, intelligent et all and u took such a decision based on an erratic and odd event. only illiterates do that. why would a bunch of christians be the basis of ur misdemeanour's act? what u lacked was simple knowledge to discern between the authencity and fakes of born again.

so when u eventually perceive the folly of other atheists including huxley, mazaje, tudor, toneyb et all, what would u do? would u quit atheism too?

debosky:
Why should Adeboye respond to frivolous articles published by some newspaper articles who are not even sure of what they are writing? One second it's a private jet for Adeboye, next it's for the church, next it's by a front. . . which is which? In my opinion, the jet issue lies squarely in the realm of speculation, and most people will not respond to speculation for the fun of it.

On the other hand, text messages purportedly sent by him with his name were circulating, so there was every reason to discountenance those as not originating from himself. That issue directly affected his members to whom he has responsibility.

There is no problem in asking a question - we all have different prespectives and see things differently.

I see Tudor is trying to convert human beings again? I guess the pigs and goats turned him down.  

Bleat louder I say!  

u dont have a point.

Adeboye is a public figure. the public has a right for clarifications of issues emanating about him.
I still cant figure out why he responded to the texts and not the jet. something seems fishy, and no one has been able to rightly explain it.

toneyb:
You will be here all day waiting for neotic.

u never cease to amaze me

dalaman:
Noetic2 what is a soul?

The spiritual consciousness of a man from where physical consciousness is derived, distinct from the body and outlives the body.


now my turn to ask:
what is a soul?

wirinet:
omo sexy,

I will congratulate you on carrying out research on what people want to sell to you. Your post fill me with nostalgia because i was in your position about 25 yrs ago. Let me just intimate you on my own experience. I was called one day by our house prefect (a deeper life member) into his room and he told me that he has a message specifically for me from God, he said God wanted me to give my life to him and that i should become a "born again". Honestly i did not know the difference between a born again and a christian as i had been a christian all my life (Anglican). So i told him to give me two weeks to think about it. I then went on to research what born again was and Christianity itself. Soon i started seeing cracks in the whole story. I also i was invited to their church service the following Sunday, I called my best friend to accompany me. On getting near the church, we started hearing lots of ghoully noises, so we decided just to peep through the window to see what was going on. And what we say was quite astonishing and unforgettable, The pastor would tell the congregation to cry as the devil had caused a lot of havoc to Gods plans for humanity and every body - man, woman and child was crying full of tears and wailing, this went on for about 10mins. Later the pastor then said that Jesus had defeated the devil and so should start rejoicing and the same people that were crying a few mins back were all laughing hysterically. We were so astounded that we just stood there watching afraid to go in. Anyway we made a u turn and went back to our hostels. Right there i knew this born again nonsense was not for me.

As for hypnotism, you are correct to observe that most religions use hypnotic technics to ensure total obedience and allegiance to the priests, pastors, imams, gurus, etc, even sometimes advertising companies use it to get viewers to have compulsion to buy their products.
It is this same method that Osama uses to get people to commit suicide for his cause. ( remember the initiates undergo intensive indoctrinations months before the suicide attacks.By the time they are finished, they are programmed to carry out their duty to machine perfection.

It is the same method that will make a person feel compulsion to give 10% of his earning to one man and any other thing the man (pastor asks for), sometimes it can be his life.

It is the same compulsion also that will make a man steal 50 million naira and give it all away to his pastor, when he is in great need.

It is the same compulsion that makes people believe and ready to find logic in stupid things, like a person living in the belly of a whale for three days, stopping of the sun to allow people prosecute a war, building of a tower to reach God, and lots of other bull shites.

Thank you for educating others, maybe your post can truly save some people from the worst kind of slavery - Mental Hypnotic Slavery.

And to think that u are actually educated.

mazaje:
on let me for the sake of this discussion assume that i don't know what the soul is. since you pretend to know what it is, i will like you to tell me what it is, where it resides in the human body and how or in what way does it affect the human body. please go ahead and tell me.

is this your evidence that shows that there is a part of the human consciousness that survives bodily death? Mind you near death experience have all been linked to the brain it is NOT an evidence that shows that there is any part of the human consiusness that survives bodily death. recent advances in neuroscience are bringing us closer to a brain-based understanding of the NDE as an altered state of consciousness.  people have these experiences ONLY when they are alive. near death experiences are come about or occur due to blockade of brain receptors (drug binding sites) for the neurotransmitter glutamate. These binding sites are called the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptors. Conditions such as low oxygen, low blood flow, low blood sugar, temporal lobe epilepsy etc which precipitate Near death experience.

There is a drug called  Ketamine which is used to induce the Near-Death Experience. Near death experince is NO evidence to show that there is a part of the human body that survives bodily death. It is only an altered state of consciousness which can be induced using drugs.


WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE WHICH SHOWS THAT THERE IS A PART OF THE HUMAN BODY THAT SURVIVES BODILY DEATH?

whats the meaning of this SHAMELESS turn around? I should have known better.

sirwebs:
If you are a true gunner why start this lousy thread?

I am an objective gunner not a BIGOT like thee.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=292518.msg4144330#msg4144330 date=1246899051]@noetic
mazaje made his assertion based on the fact that no evidence whatsoever suggests a part humans survive death. What more do you want?
If you disagree with him,then show evidence to the contrary. . .[/quote]u need to read mazaje's posts again . . . . he actually claims that there is evidence to support his assertions. so the ball is in his court to produce such evidence.

@ Olabs


I have produced the haddith that establishes that
a. mohammed courted a 6 year old aisha
b. that he had sex with her at the age of 9
c. aisha was still a small girl with dolls and play mates
d. aisha father was uncomfortable with mohammed's inaction.

I have also defined a paedophile and established that mohammed is indeed a paedophile.


what I dont understand is ur position. Are u saying mohammed is not a paedophile? are u denying the accounts of the holy haddiths of allah?
are u saying that it is normal to have sex with 9 year olds?

I honestly dont understand u. . . . .please clarify, without spamming or embarking on a very long post.

mazaje:
What is the misinformation in what I have said? Do I need to provide any evidence for the obvious? It has been shown that the brain controls everything when it comes to thought and actions of the human body. Both voluntary and involuntary action are all controlled by the brain. If something bad happens to the brain the body suffers. [b]The soul, apparently, must be somehow separate from the brain it it exist. [/b]there is no evidence for such part of the body existing, all empirical evidence point to the brain as the center of control of all activities in the body. If there is a soul then you are yet to show me where it is located in the human body and how it affects the human body as a whole.

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THE SOUL?

The brain controls everything when it comes to human consciousness and when the brain dies off everything dies with it.

What stops u from producing this OBVIOUS evidence that supports ur misinformation?

1. first u FALSELY claim that there is nothing called a soul
2. secondly u IGNORANTLY attributed thoughts and emotions to be attributes of the soul but done by the brain.
3. thirdly u now state again that the soul exists separately from the brain if at all it exist.

are all these three not contradictions? whats the basis of assuming that the soul is separate from the brain "if at all it exists"?
whats the basis of FALSELY claiming that soul has to do with just thoughts and emotions?

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE WHICH SHOWS THAT THERE IS A PART OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS THAT SURVIVES BODILY DEATH.

keep ejaculating ur ignorance . . . . .u have never heard of near-death experiences, have u?

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=292765.msg4144216#msg4144216 date=1246897952]Oh please noetic spare us!
Success in modern football is TROPHIES. . .nobody gives a damn about how you play.
Arsenal has always been and will always be the "beautiful losers"

P.S: who would have thought you love football. . . . .didn't see that one coming.[/quote]Thats why u cant understand what it means to be true Gunner. , the passion. . .the beautiful football. . . . .the . . . .
yup u are right, success is all about trophies, but give it to wenger, he did not spend as much as others did.



PS. I have always loved football.

naughty




what does ogginny mean?

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=292518.msg4144115#msg4144115 date=1246896985]Where is your evidence to suggest a part of the human structure surviues death? [/quote]he made an assertion not me, so please be objective.

let mazaje use his tails to produce his evidence.

dayokanu:
Which unique style?

How is how is the style different from what Ajax played in 1995 with kids and won the CL?

How is the style different from what Barca played and won 2 CL?

Wenger is a failure

Far from it, Wenger is not a failure.

success or failure in football is measured on the basis of resources to result. Man utd, Liverpool and chelski have spent blindly and are heavily in debt, so whatever amount of success they have achieved is worth it, based on the amount of money spent.

Arsenal has spent nothing compared to these other three, so when u compare resources with results Wenger has indeed done well.
But from a fans point of view we need immediate tropjies, which can only come when more resources are dispensed.

who plays better football in europe?

mazaje:
Nothing like the soul exist, Empirical evidence as some have said points to the brain as the part of the body that controls all thoughts and emotions. The is no evidence to show that there is any part of the human body that survives bodily death. The soul exist only in the imaginations of theist.

Bindex yane? Na jidadin article da ka kopu ka yadda anan. . . . . .

Another baseless misinformation.

where is ur evidence that suggests that no part of the human structure survives bodily death?
what makes u think that a soul is simply about thoughts and emotions?

why should I?




dont u know wat love is?

olabowale:
@JJYOU: Haha. [b]I asked you or any of your scholars to define pedophile, you scooter libby away! [/b]And there was no place that I said my cousin Ms. Jagun is a man! I did not say that they were lovers! These were too females. Just like two males, one small framed and the other a bigger bodied person. they will obviously look different, in my world!

Finally, if a 16 year looking woman is actually 30 year old, what stops a man who wants her from marrying her? Is the look that determines the reason you marry her, or the fact that she is matured according to your societal value?

It is this type of misunderstanding that makes argument sometime difficult to have with those who are not prepared to show proofs! You are a nigerian, how many agneses, and victorias, and veronicas and virginia and kemis and rachaels and uzoomas and lyndas, that married at younger ages? Say age 15? And many people in the same nigeria will be shocked if they see what 13 years old girls do in america! babies and more babies!

LYING is not allowed.

dayokanu:
Name any so called top rated coach that has never won a European title Winners cup, UEFA cup or CL

Wenger has never won any title in Europe He is Mediocre

That does not dispute the fact that he plays a unique style of football which cannot be found amongst other so called elites including chelski man utd and ac milan.

Good football but now we need trophies. Wenger is still a great manager, we just need a fresh breadth.

tkb417:
nothin o! Just that i love looking out for those curves that are always very visible in the 'Sutana'. Is that how its spelt?
LOL!!!

tkb417:
and what are u suffering from?
satanic spell of the highest order!