₦airaland Forum

LegendHero:
Don’t mind that guy. His only source to all his claim is his own personal thinking or what his brother told him.

Every metrics I’ve seen always place Plateau below Kano and Kaduna and Plateau sometimes drag it with core NE states but he keep shouting some form of superiority over core-northerners.

Kano & Kaduna can only be ahead of Plateau in financial rankings and in numbers of people cos both states have more indigenes than Plateau!

Besides, Kaduna is not a core northern state or Hausa land exclusively. That is the reason why Kaduna always beats Kano in any form of ranking.

Do u know that Kaduna state has more Christians than Plateau state?

Kano is the most developed part of Hausa land and the only part of Hausa land with anything reasonable. Check where Sokoto, Katsina, Zamfara, Jigawa, Yobe & Kebbi are in any of these rankings.

Covidodo:
Yes bro..
According to the NBS , his plateau is one of the 6 poorest states in Nigeria .

Why would anyone even compare the Aleppo looking Plateau with any south western states for crying out loud ??

I know Plateau is the poorest state in Africa, but please why are there still Yorubas in Jos in their tens and hundreds of thousands?

Covidodo:
Wawwu ..
Dude , were you asphyxiated at birth or what ?

Isn't that the premise of my argument that your folks are clear minority in Kaduna . Now you are talking about landmass ..smh .

When did landmass become yardstick for grouping minority groups ??

Is Igboland not almost the same size as Oyo . Has that prevented them from being a majority group. Are Yorubas and Igbos not about the same size ??

You are extremely dumber than I imagined .smh

And that's the reason why an Elrufai could pick a Fula Muslim as deputy without batting an eyelid .

Yorubas are minority in Kogi and that is not even debatable . Why should a minority group call the shots politically ??
My folks are the overwhelming majority in Kwara in terms of everything hence we call the shots politically .
The much hated Bola Tinubu recently installed one of his associates in Kwara .

I'm still waiting for the Fulanis dominating the political landscape in Kwara . I hope you won't disappoint me by directing to some Facebook posts

I laugh in Abdukrahaman Abdulrazak and Lai Muhammad . Does O to ge ring a bell .

Even the ultra corrupt Saraki and his family are migrants from Abeokuta .

And if Kwara was to be divided , won't my people still maintain there overwhelming majority in whatever is left of the state ??

From Lagos to Kwara , my people control the spaces in between economically and politically because they are the clear majority .

I hope these facts are not lost on you tho.

Are you now saying because Sabo is a safe haven , the land now automatically belongs to the Igbos ??

Guy , up your game and stop shifting goal posts unnecessarily.

My people are minority, yet they manage to sack and evict all Hausa fulanis from some entire LGAs in the state?

There are over 20 suburbs in Kaduna city south and not one of them is muslim majority, but go to Kaduna city north and u still find Christian majority areas. Can a minority pull such stunts?

Even in Zaria which is Hausa land, Christians still dominate certain areas and Hausa fulanis cannot drive them out. Do u really know what minorities are? You think minority and majority is just all about political elections?

In 2000, the governor wanted to enforce Sharia law in the state and my people sacked the government assembly house of Kaduna, destroyed it and put the head of a pig on it. The governor later started begging for peace and calm and he reversed the Sharia.... Can minorities pull such stunts?

The fact that we did not protest or shutdown the state when Elrufai picked a Muslim deputy does not show that we don't know what we are doing. Very soon we will give them a taste of their own medicine. Just wait you will soon see it.
And for the records, the deputy governor is not a Fulani woman. She is Gwantu by tribe from Sanga LGA (Southern Kaduna). Southern Kaduna have Indigenous muslims who are not Hausas, but they are like 10% and most of them have been evicted.

Hausas may have the majority in Kaduna state but that does not give them any form of ownership over Southern Kaduna land or people... If Nigeria is dividing today, can Hausas decide where Southern Kaduna people will go?

Did Nupes not deal with Yoruba people in the Share-Tsaragi crisis in spite of a Yoruba governor?

So what exactly is your point? Hausa politcal leadership of Kaduna state does not in anyway determine the destiny of Southern Kaduna people, same way Fulani leadership of Nigeria does not change Yorubas or Igbos. Simple!

An Ebira man and Nupe man have been governors of Kwara state inspite of the Yoruba majority, do u care to tell us how that happened?

Wait and u said if Kwara is divided Yorubas will still be the majority?
How will that happen if it is Nupe/Bariba on one side and Yoruba/fulani on the other?

Covidodo:
Stop being clever by half. What is your tribe in the phantom Middle belt ?

What is your tribe in the SW? Ijebu, Egba, Awori or Ilorin Emirate ?

Yorubas are people who originated from Ile Ife and that fact is clear and established .

The Awujale said his Ijebu people were from Sudan while Oba Akiolu said his people were from Benin, so try another tale

I'm asking for the umpteenth time , what's your tribe ? Or are you too ashamed to say it ?

I am a descendant of the great Kwararafan kingdom and Mom civilization. Same way u claim Ife.

Leemao . I finished from UI 2 years ago . I didn't finish many years ago . The ELDS and quota system still hold till tomorrow .

. And so what?

Lemme burst your bubble bro..
Adamawa , Gombe and your Eldorado Plateau states are 3 of the top 6 poorest states in Nigeria according to the NBS

Those nonsense different statistics that give conflicting reports all the time.
Can u tell me then why there are hundreds of thousands of Yorubas in Jos meanwhile u can only find a handful of Plateau people in Yorubaland?

I wish you all the best in your quest to partitioning the middle belt along religious lines

Same way I wish you luck in collecting Ilorin from the caliphate.

What has the fact that TY Danjuma buys weapons for militias got to do with his multi billion dollar investments in the ND ??
Are you dyslexic or what ?

So you are even comparing the few houses owned by the NigerDeltans with oil wells ?? Haba nah !!

I'm sure 100% of the NigerDeltans would be willing to let go of any their properties in the length and breadth of Nigeria if that would give them autonomy over their God's given oil.

How many oil Wells do TY own in Nigerdelta? Besides, apart from him which other middlebelters own oil Wells?
More Yorubas own oilwells than Middlebelt people, so u will cry more than us.

I can't wait to have 2 land locked Islamic republic of Arewa side by side with Christian republic of Middle Belt

That would be potential world's biggest open refugee camps in the history of mankind

Yoruba land will still share boundary with Arewanistan unless the Nupes & Bariba/Borgus form their own country independent of Arewa!
These are the only 2 tribes separating Yorubas from Hausa land and it's either these 2 tribes join you people or they join Hausas, cos they cannot even join us in our Christian middlebelt country.

So we are in this together

Besides, my people will most likely form an alliance of mutual benefit with the Igbos and Nigerdeltans

MetaPhysical:
Yoruba.
SW region.

Name your tribe and region.

Yoruba is the caricature name given to Oyo people by Hausas and it was used by the British to classify similar groups of people in the SW area.
So I ain't taking it. You are either Ijebu, Egba, Okun or Ilorin Emirate . Choose one.

myobjective:
How would they die a natural death? Is it because you wish so or economic reality will force them to?
The last time I check, the Yoruba nation has a population of between 40-50m. This is close to a country like South Africa, a country with more university and founding for education than the whole of Nigeria. If Nigeria divide, no matter the circumstance surrounding her division, rest assured that the Yoruba will be okay and will put these institutions to great use.

The gain from such a union pales in comparison to the problem these two religious extremist group will post. When Nigeria finally disintegrate the Yorubas will go out alone without forming a union with anyone.

Well, a Yoruba nation would not be a bad idea. I will support it wholeheartedly cos I wouldn't even want to be in a new country with the Yorubas. Igbos will not want you and u guys will never want to join Hausa fulanis.

Your best bet will be a country of your own.

Anyway, why don't u guys talk or promote seccession? You guys act as if you are enjoying this one Nigeria. Sometimes you even unity-beg. What is it that u guys are not telling?

forgiveness:
See stats below. Three SW states with the average of 94%. Fact



Which area are the Nigerdeltans better?




Have you agreed SW was far educated than the North as at 1920?

Besides, who are the Itsekiri?

You can see why I am correct.




The first picture is Ibadan. The church building was built in 1851.

Railway was connected to Ibadan from Lagos in 1900.

What a very stupid list and argument. Ondo, Ogun & Oyo are 80, 80, 81, so u are leaving these states to use Lagos State literacy? Lagos State which half of it's population are non-Yorubas?

You are just interested in making noise.

You are asking me who are the Itsekiris?
Who are the Yorubas?

Livescores:
I stopped taking Mr Nowenuse serious the moment he said Plateau will join their imaginary Biafra rep.

Imagine Plateau jumping Nassarawa state to join the potopoto republic.

How stupid one can be.

Ok now, you that should be taken seriously, come out and tell us who and who makes up Nasarawa state that Nasarawa state will be a hindrance to Plateau joining BIAFRA.

Is it the same Nasarawa state that is a child of Plateau state or Nasarawa LGA in Kano state?

Barbilius:
And who the hell is afraid of Nigeria division?? Good riddance. We have dared noisemakers over and over again.. No one cares, nothing, absolutely nothing will happen to those schools. If they were so competent, they could have established such in their own regions. Bullcrap!!!!

With the way you Yorubas make noise online, one would think that u so much believe in yourselves in real life and u are strongly pushing for the division of Nigeria, not knowing that u are the biggest unity beggars!

LegendHero:
Bro, I don't talk without proof and I always like to maintain my integrity.

I have been showing you proof to back all my statements while you have been manufacturing statistics and fabricating facts since yesterday. You have no source to all your claims.

@the bolded, Below is the Ibadan might I was talking about. The colonialist described it as the Most Genuinely African city. They even went as far as acknoledging that Ibadan was build solely by the Yorubas without any colonial influence.

First Picture: The Guardian, 16 Aug 1893. They described Ibadan as the "London of Negroland" Do you hear that?

Second Picture: The Guardian, 20 Jan 1913. They described Lagos as Bombay of Africa and went further to talk about great native cities scattered about in Western Nigeria (Ibadan are part of those cities).

Third Picture: New York Times, 25 Dec 1970. Ibadan was described as the Most Genuinely African city built by the Yorubas without colonial influence. They went to say it distinguished itself from other African countries that was majorly planned by the colonialists.

Where the bleep is Kano in all this?

I am still looking for the last journal of 1870 in my archive. When I see that, I will post that too.

Same way the Portuguese compared Benin city in the 15th century to Amsterdam!

https://www.blackhistorymonth.org.uk/article/section/pre-colonial-history/black-histories-oba-ewuare-benin-city/

Well, I wish I was interested in defending Kano.
There are also colonial documents where the colonialists hyped Kano. I have them in my archives, but I don't think I will waste my time defending Hausa land. So, you win

Barbilius:
No mind that guy, P&G alone dwarfs all companies in his state.

What a scammer!
P & G is a worldwide company with it's headquarters overseas. It's Nigerian head office is in Lagos.

Nasco is a purely west African based company with it's headquarters in Jos.

Cry me a river.

Sunshineg5:
Which Nasco

Bruv travel more

Nasco only had huge percentage of cornflakez/ breakfast cereal market and it has come under increase competition from makers of corn flakes in Ibadan, Ogun and Ibeju Lagos state in the last two decades. I.e. Nestlé, Kellogs Good morning, Infinity brands etc.

The networth of Nasco is $460 million.

Besides, why bringing in Ogun & Lagos here? We were all about Ibadan & Jos.

Ayekotoo:
Nasco group that has her industries scattered across the southwest.

Nasco headquarters is in Jos. Is P & G headquarters in Ibadan?

Ayekotoo:
70 percent Non-Yoruba indeed

You are so so shameless. You just selected the part of the Babcock list where there are concentration of Yoruba names.

I trashed u with the covenant list and now u have shamelessly moved to Babcock

Here is a page from that same list below.

Nowenuse:
From the first list.
161 out of 392. 41% of the students had at least one Yoruba name or one Yoruba Muslim name.

This admission was for 2010. I have seen this list before cos a friend of mine got admission this year in this exact last batch (4) and I can see his name here. My senior bro also applied for admission this year, but he got it the next year.

That childhood friend of mine has a Yoruba name but he is actually from Edo state, his mother is Esan and his father is from Akoko-Edo, but I counted him as a Yoruba cos he has a Yoruba name.
So plus or minus margins of error.

So between me and you guys now who was correct? . Yoruba students cannot outnumber non-Yorubas in SW private Universities and I stand my ground on that.

You can do the counting for yourself if u don't trust mine, but pls watch the names very well ooo, many Edo, Urhobo & Itsekiri names sound and appear as Yoruba names, if u are not exposed to these names like someone like me who spent most of my life in Delta/Edo, u will count these names as Yoruba names.

You were actually deceived by the first array of Yoruba names starting with letter A ..... But by the time you go to letter C and N where Igbos dominate, u get a knockout

Cc Myobjective, Legendhero, Ayekotoo, Goke7, Metaphysical Omonnakoda

And mind you, at the beginning of these Private schools, Yorubas tend to have a higher percentage than they have later on cos the school is in their land and they get to know about it and trust it more. It takes some more time for others to trust the school and get used to it.
My brother got his admission in 2011 and the non Yorubas increased in number than the Yorubas based on my counting. It was a 65-35 during his time.

As of now, I doubt if Yorubas will have 30% compared with non Yorubas in Covenant cos the school is now more popular and many Middlebelt, SS and SE parents are willing to send their wards hundreds of km to Lagos.

I just scanned through the 2nd list (of 2019 batch) and you Yorubas were given a knockout on that list

This confirms what I just said. The list is too long with over 1,000 names if not I would have counted it just as I did the previous one.
There are some pages on that list without 1 single Yoruba name

Barbilius:
Shifting goal post as usual. You said 70%,according to your counting, u said 41%had Yoruba names or something to do with Yorubas, how does that equate to the 70% you earlier claimed

I have different figures. The last comment I made, I said the school should be 35% Yoruba, 35% Igbo, 20% SS and 10% Middlebelt/Northern christians. That makes 65-35. Check the 2nd list and u will know that I was correct.
Don't be deceived by the letter A Yoruba names that dominate the first pages of the list cos letter A is the only alphabet with Yoruba domination, by the time u get to letter C & N, u will hardly see a Yoruba name.

Abeg, Yoruba people make una go sleep nonsense.

Even if the school was 50% non Yoruba, do you know what it means for a school to loose half of it's students? Will that school not crash?
This also the same reflection all through Yoruba churches. More than half of the members are non Yorubas.

You people should really pray that Nigeria divides on Friendly terms, if not so many money making institutions in Yorubaland will die a natural death.

These are the reasons why I tell my own people that we must work together with Igbos & Nigerdeltans.
If Nigeria must divide, the 3 of us must go together and have at least a sort of Confederacy like the UK where everyone controls his/her resources and nation. We have everything to gain from each other and everything to loose from each other. But u pompous Yorubas thinking u don't need anyone because your settlers dominated Lagos and Private institutions dey catch una, body go tell una when the country divide.

Barbilius:
http://m.covenantuniversity.edu.ng/Downloads/pdf/4th-Batch-Admission-List

http://m.covenantuniversity.edu.ng/Downloads/pdf/2019-2020-PROVISIONAL-ADMISSION-LIST-BATCH-1-2

Nowenuse should download and peruse and still come here to tell us universities in Yorubaland are made up of 70% non Yorubas

From the first list.
161 out of 392. 41% of the students had at least one Yoruba name or one Yoruba Muslim name.

This admission was for 2010. I have seen this list before cos a friend of mine got admission this year in this exact last batch (4) and I can see his name here. My senior bro also applied for admission this year, but he got it the next year.

That childhood friend of mine has a Yoruba name but he is actually from Edo state, his mother is Esan and his father is from Akoko-Edo, but I counted him as a Yoruba cos he has a Yoruba name.
So plus or minus margins of error.

So between me and you guys now who was correct? . Yoruba students cannot outnumber non-Yorubas in SW private Universities and I stand my ground on that.

You can do the counting for yourself if u don't trust mine, but pls watch the names very well ooo, many Edo, Urhobo & Itsekiri names sound and appear as Yoruba names, if u are not exposed to these names like someone like me who spent most of my life in Delta/Edo, u will count these names as Yoruba names.

You were actually deceived by the first array of Yoruba names starting with letter A ..... But by the time you go to letter C and N where Igbos dominate, u get a knockout

Cc Myobjective, Legendhero, Ayekotoo, Goke7, Metaphysical Omonnakoda

And mind you, at the beginning of these Private schools, Yorubas tend to have a higher percentage than they have later on cos the school is in their land and they get to know about it and trust it more. It takes some more time for others to trust the school and get used to it.
My brother got his admission in 2011 and the non Yorubas increased in number than the Yorubas based on my counting. It was a 65-35 during his time.

As of now, I doubt if Yorubas will have 30% compared with non Yorubas in Covenant cos the school is now more popular and many Middlebelt, SS and SE parents are willing to send their wards hundreds of km to Lagos.

Goke7:
jesu, egbami o so na barbing salon and buka dey make Lagos? what manner of blasphemy. we are talking about what is making Lagos so thick that foreigners can't resist and you de talk about mama put, na mama put make mark zukaberg or Dorsey, twitter boss visit Lagos? what a joke. The big industries in Lagos is what set it apart from other cities in Nigeria and that is why the average graduate anywhere in Nigeria relocates to Lagos in search of those industries to work

You, Covidodo, Metaphysical & Omonnakoda are the slowest and mentally lowest Yorubas on nairaland. Abeg make una nor dey tag me.

Only people like Legendhero & Myobjective have something upstairs.

Where did I ever say the SMEs were the ones who made Lagos what they are?
I said the SMEs support and give income to the majority of Lagosians! And it is with this income that Lagosians patronize the big industries in their midst.

Are the big industries the ones patronizing themselves?

Without the large population of consumers in Lagos, do u think some of these industries would cite their factories in Lagos? Or don't u know that nearness to market is one of the major factors considered in the citing of an industry?

Without the SMEs there would be no large consumer population in Lagos, without the Large consumer population, there would be no much industries in Lagos. As simple as ABC.
Sebi Awo give una free education na, why then are u people making me stress myself in explanation? Shuooo!

Covidodo:
Someone is finally hitting the nail on the head .
The nowenuse guy's delusion borders on the pathological .

What is the difference between the Hausa/Fulani he disparages and his tribe? The dude should first tell us his tribe before we take him seriously because the last time I checked Middle belt isn't a tribe .

See this one is talking about tribe. Did Yoruba as a tribe exist before colonial masters? Was Yoruba not a caricature nickname of Oyo people given by Hausas? Mtcheew.

Bro , when I was in UI, I had 2 classmates who were sponsored by one Ahmadu Bello Foundation. The two folks are Northern minorities from Nassarawa and Bauchi .
Aren't you Minority Northern groups enjoying the spill over of the Hausa/Fulani domination of Nigeria ??

Would people like Gowon and TY Danjuma have amounted to anything in Nigeria if not for the magnanimity of the Hausa/Fulani establishment ?
A bloody minority like TY Danjuma owns oil wells in ND. A luxury the owners of the oil doesn't even enjoy.

We should put things into the right perspective .

Yes, we and Hausa fulanis tried to work on a union based on common language and region (which was spearhead by the colonial masters, just like they did for u Yorubas), but this union has proven to be a failure due to religious extremism on the side of the Hausa fulanis.

So, while our marriage lasted, they were benefits on both sides.
In fact, Hausa fulanis benefitted more from us. 90% of the foot soldiers who fought to keep Nigeria one were middlebelt people. I know how many uncles I lost and people within my own town. But at the end of the day, Hausa fulanis betrayed us just like they want to do to you Yorubas with your Tinubu.

Comprenez-vous?

I've been following the guy's narratives on tribal composition of the North . He has told us how Bauchi , Taraba and Adamawa are not Hausa/Fulani land . Are those places different in Socio economic indices from the Muslim Fulani North ?? I don't think so

Bauchi is not Hausa fulani land but they have overrun the place due to religious similarity between them and the indigenes.
However, a part of Southern Bauchi (next door to Plateau) has not and can never be overrun cos they do not share same religion with Hausa fulanis.

So, Bauchi does not have a different socio-economic index from Hausa fulanis, but Adamawa & Taraba have a difference and u can bring the stats for us to compare.

The middle belt also enjoys from the quota system and the absence of merit in our public space .
Bulk of the middle belt state are part of the so called ELDS that has entrenched mediocrity in our admission process in Nigeria .

So , wtf is Middle belt .
How do you plan to carve out a Christian only middle Belt republic in a very heterogeneous zone like the middle belt ??

People like TY Danjuma would rather die than allow folks like the delusional Nowenuse take his feeding bottle from him

Yes we enjoyed a quota system cos we were in the mudwater of Illiteracy in the past, but we do not need it anymore cos our literacy rate is almost catching up the South's.
Hausa fulanis were the ones who initiated these quota things and not us. Unfortunately it rubbed on us cos we shared same states with them.

The Middlebelt and the core-north will naturally partition itself along religious lines with time. The partition has already begun, but it is slowly. We will soon start to FasTrack it.

Hausa fulanis & Muslims have been evicted from dozens of towns in Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Taraba, Adamawa & Southern Bauchi and heavens did not fall.

Same way Boko Haram have driven away many Christians from Yobe & Borno and they had to flee to Adamawa, Jos & Kaduna.

What do u know about TY Danjuma? Same person who buys weapons for Taraba people to finish the Hausa fulani muslims in their midst?
Besides, our people and Nigerdeltans would be on friendly terms if this country divides cos we have everything to loose and gain from each other. If they try to seize TY Danjuma's oilwells, all their houses & investments in Abuja would go down the drain.

Goke7:
you are just full of contradictions, the same kano you told me earlier is full of illiterates?

Illiterates who are very good in buying & selling!

Covidodo:
Dude are you being deliberately slow or what
This is a civilian rule ffs and you are talking about millitary regime
Why are Plateau and Taraba not having Muslim rulers ?? Just accept that Hausa/Fulani Muslims are the comfortable majority and call the shots comfortably in Kaduna

So Plateau is better than Ogun ?? The same Jos that Christians and Muslims dare not live in some parts of the town .
Jos is now ghost town baba. I'm sure you can't even live in your so called Jos

Please tell us the Fulani kingmakers in Kwara

On what basis are we even comparing Plateau with any south western state ??
Imagine a slowpoke from a nameless minority group who would soon be assimilated by the Hausa/Fulani talking thrash about the Yorubas

Y'all Northerners are the same and every pity I hitherto had for you( through your numerous lamentation threads) just flew out of the window .
What is Igbo economically controlled Lagos sef ? The 2 by 2 shop abi

You are a joke that shouldn't be taken seriously .

But u dey slow Sha ooo!

Why are Yorubas more influential in Kwara but almost non-existent in Kogi where they are bitches of Igalas & Ebiras?

To answer your question. Plateau & Taraba do not have a millenium old Hausa kingdom like Zaria in them.
Zaria (Hausa land) in Kaduna is just 25% of Kaduna state Landmass, but it is heavily populated and that is why Hausa fulanis have an advantage over Southern Kaduna tribes in the states.

It is just like Kwara where Nupe & Baribas own 50% of the landmass of the state but Yorubas dominate it because of numbers.
Divide Kwara state today and all that Yoruba domination ends!


If Igbos are saying they no longer pity my people, that is when I can start shivering, not you bunch of cowards called Yorubas that are still slaves in your own land (Ilorin).

British colonialists gave u Yorubas a land in Jos to settle (Nasarawa Gong) and you people cowardly lost it to Hausa fulanis in the Jos crisis.
But go to Kano and see how Igbos in Sabongari have created a safe haven for all Christians in Kano by protecting that place with their blood.
Cowards.

MetaPhysical:
Ol boy which one is your tribe in middle belt?

Which one is your tribe in the SW? Are u Ijebu, Egba, Awori, Remo, Igbomina, Igbolo or Ilorin Emirate ?

LegendHero:
Goodluck with your quest. The joy is to see all Nigerian tribes flourish including both middle-belt and core north.

That is my own prayers. You are doing a nice job trying to put your region on the success map, best of luck.

Lol, (Hugs & Smiles)

LegendHero:
Lol. Thank you for busting the lies of Nowenuse. I know he is not lying intentionally but I think he is ignorant about many things.

Why will he compare Kano with Ibadan in those days? Ibadan that the British themselves termed the best city after cairo in the 1880s is what he is comparing with Kano.

I will try to find that paper where the british termed Ibadan and attach it to this post when I get it. What the bleep is Kano?

Kano is a very very big trading center.
Ibadan cannot match the volume of trade in Kano.
Kano has the biggest markets for Jewelleries, Textiles & fabric materials, Livestocks, Foodstuffs, Hides & skins among others in Nigeria.

Kano also has so many industries, but Ibadan will slightly edge it here.

Hausa fulanis are the 2nd most enterprising people in Nigeria after Igbos.

Do u know that Kano had been a cosmopolitan city even before the arrival of colonialists? Do u know the numbers of Arab, Egyptian, Tuareg, Berber and even Persian traders who lived in and visited Kano before colonial rule?

Ibadan only began to shine during colonial rule. So your talk of 1880s is a far lie.
Can u prove it?

I have the book on NORTHERN PROVINCES, TRIBES AND EMIRATES compiled by colonialists in 1910 and you can see the numbers of Arabs and other foreigners in their thousands who lived in Kano by that time.

Make una Yoruba take style dey lie oo!

Although as someone who dislikes Hausa fulanis, I am not interested in hyping anything about them or defending them.
Unfortunately, the mugu Abokkis we have here on nairaland like Naajji & DanArrewa do not even know anything about their so called North. They are empty heads.

myobjective:
I'm not denying the fact that we may have to buy some commodities from neighbouring African countries but it is not compulsory that it has to be from the middle belt or northern Nigeria.

We have neighbours in Benin republic that speak Yoruba, have fertile landmass and offer lower wages than the North. When Nigeria finally disintegrate, Yoruba northernmost borders will have to be tightest.

You guys will literally beg the Yoruba nation to allow your product to be exported through our port.
Note; I don't have a problem with the middle belt, it will most likely serve as a buffer zone between the more developed southwest and the Islamic Republic of Arewa.

The only thing Benin republic can offer you is smuggling!
Yoruba speakers are just 12% of the country (like 1 million people) and around the Porto novo area. They are not the ones with the large Landmass. Besides, Many of them live fairly good lives. The beninoise u can easily entice with your money are those from the northern areas. So u will have to learn Bariba, Zarma or French to communicate with them

Who told u we will be interested in using Yoruba ports?
Nigerdeltan ports are closer to us, heck even Cameroonian ports are closer to us than Yoruba ports.

Good riddance to you Yorubas, your ritual killings, scamming and thuggery.

LegendHero:
You are being emotional now by trying to lump Ilorin issue with the middle-belt.

How many times have you heard of ethnic clashes in Ilorin? How many times have the Fulanis killed or fight in Ilorin at the magnitude of the middle-belt?

You said Fulanis are controlling Kwara/Ilorin, I asked how? you suddenly resorted to talking about the middle-belt and an imaginary Sokoto Caliphate that have already outlived his dominance.

Stop dragging the Yorubas into your fracas with the core-North. Always distinguish the two!

Again:
How are the Fulanis controlling Kwara/Ilorin in the present dispensation. What is the power of the Fulanis on the Kwara/Ilorin architecture in general? Do they constitute the highest number of elected officials, political power, economic power, religious power, educational intellectuals, and etc. What exactly do you mean by controlling?

Ogbeni you are a learner. Do u know how many churches have been burnt down and Christians attacked in Ilorin since 1999?

Oya take the list abeg.

http://www.ipsnews.net/1999/12/religion-muslims-and-christians-clash-over-sharia-law/

https://www.channelstv.com/2012/12/12/christian-and-muslim-leaders-trade-words-over-burnt-church-in-ilorin/amp/

https://punchng.com/kwara-mayhem-can-accuses-muslims-of-attacking-raping-christians/amp/

https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2018/01/nigerias-new-year-begins-with-attacks-on-christians/

https://www.thealabamabaptist.org/muslim-extremists-burn-christ-apostolic-church/

So, you think Northern christians are fanatics cos some of them have decided not to fold their hands to watch all these?
Well, u are in for more shock, wait till when we all unite to say enough is enough, that time u will know the true meaning of fanaticism.


You are asking me how influential the Fulanis are in Ilorin & Kwara state? Do u know that majority of the elites, movers & shakers of Ilorin and Kwara state at large are of fulani background and ancestry?

Read this list below

https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=801860819990176&id=379053852270877

omonnakoda:
How is it nonsense

Nigeria has the highest search for homosexual porn in Africa
Why pretend
Is it cows doing the searching ?.

So if you don't talk about it that would make it disappear?

These folk are disgracing us

Other countries are asking
Why are Nigerians such hypocrites?
Banning homosexuality in the morning and searching for it at night?


Research shows that the Ibohomosexual is responsible for this scandal and should be called out?

They enjoy giving people names like 0femanu etc so why can't they be called Ibohomosexuals which is what they are anyway

Lol, you guys are all clowns!

LegendHero:
Yes, Lagos state is the smallest state by landmass area in Nigeria. Are you trying to contest this?
https://nigerianinfopedia.com.ng/top-10-smallest-states-in-nigeria/

Lagos is the smallest state in Nigeria and almost all of it is urbanized. Thus making Lagos the biggest city/urban agglomeration we have in Nigeria. We are talking of urbanization here and city size, so stick to the topic.

We also don't do much tall building in the SW. I am just telling you that those brown roofs you guys always mock is actually better than those huts in Jos. Learn to understand people's perspective.

Hell no! The brown roofs in Ibadan are heavily congested to the extent that u wonder how people breathe in these places. Most of them have no toilets and that is why apparently most Yoruba people use buckets under their beds to defecate
80% of the brownroof streets of in Jos are more outlined and I am ready for a comparison to prove this.

This is total rubbish. Nonesense. Stop manufacturing numbers from your brain. I will start questioning all your demographics percentage about the North and Middle-Belt from now on. It seems you just manufacture statistics for the sake of it.

Okay, go ahead. I have bloodied many of such people who doubt my statistics to the best way I can. Ask the likes of Naajji & DanArrewa.
That's why whenever they see me, they flee or just call me Nyamiri for defense.

What is my own about Aesthetics, we are talking about development, you are talking about topography. What is the importance of topography without development? IS topography the town planning and infrastructure?

Of course topography would be useless when comparing a Nigerian city with a Canadian city, but since it is 2 Nigerian cities here, it is of so much effect.
Abeg start posting pictures of Ibadan already let us see the development u have been visiting about.

C'mon stop shouting topography. If Jos is developed we will see the city structure online. We can even drill down to see the city view using street view. Other hilly region around the world can be seen from earth, so what's spectacular about Jos.

What exactly do u mean by development? Is it just fine & modern houses built in an irregular pattern & congested pattern? Or do you also consider street outlines and good spacing between houses & streets?

My education teaches me that greenery without development is just a bush. Greenery will only appeal to a city when you have real development and city structure to complement it. Stop shouting greenery greenery greenery everytime.

Oya show us the real development in Ibadan let us see. Congested houses built door to door without spaces for parks.
Jos has a better plan and city layout than Ibadan. It is not just about fine houses alone.

Are you drunk sir when saying this? Let me give you list of companies in Ibadan off hand.
Food and Beverage Industries in Ibadan alone:
Fan Milk Plc, Yale foods, Procter & Gamble, CWAY group, Nigerian Eagle Flour mills, Lister Flour Mills, Seven-Up Bottling Company Plc, Sweetco Foods Limited, Premier Feed Mills, British American Tobacco, Nigerian Breweries, etc. to mention a few.

Oga we also have a list too, but I have not done a compilation like you guys.
We have Integrated Dairies, Symfonio foods, Pye rat foods, Paptec industries limited, National metallurgical development center, Vitafoam Nigeria, Dunos Spices, Narrow way Aluminum, e.t.c. Up to 5 different mining industries are in Jos.
These are among the few I know, like I said, I haven't done a compilation like you guys.

But hey, can u compare 50 cupcakes to a gigantic mega cake?
How many of Ibadan companies will you put together to get a company worth $460 million like Nasco?

Lol, what do you mean by social and night life? Are you sure you know what is called Ibadan. Do you know the number of clubs in Ibadan? Number of malls in Ibadan? Number of cool spots in Ibadan that supports night life? Jos only got the wildlife park and some tourist centres. How many artist shows are even held in Jos self that you are telling us they are social than Ibadan?

My problem with many of you Yorubas that have never travelled is that you judge things from your very limited perspective.
Yes, Ibadan may have more quality artiste shows than Jos cos Yorubas in general have a better developed entertainment industry, but you see the numbers of clubs and chilling culture? You people can never come near Jos.
Please if you have any friend that has lived in Jos or Kaduna, ask him or her between Jos people & Ibadan who chill better.

Jos and perhaps Kaduna (all northern Christian towns) are like the only places in Nigeria where ladies take themselves out and spend seriously for themselves without the presence of a man or hoping to get the attention of a man.
Many Southern guys always have this problem in Jos cos they will go to a club, see ladies on their own table drinking and smoking and they think they are prostitutes, then they go to price them, only for them to get the embarrassment and shock of their lives that these ladies are not hoes but just normal everyday ladies.

I have lived in the South almost all my life and it is almost impossible to find Southern ladies take themselves out for a night out, unless if they are prostitutes looking for customers.
But since I came to Jos, anytime I go anywhere for chilling, I must find 1-2 groups of Ladies who take themselves out on their own!

Jos is the only place u will see a mother & daughter go out to drink & even smoke together, yet they are not hoes! We take chilling as a normal thing.
I and my cousins, males & females all in our 20s go for a night out, we collide with our parents/Aunties/Uncles , we greet each other like pals and they even invite us to join them in their table and we dance together!
Things like this are like a taboo in the south where I grew up.
These are the reasons why many Southerners take our people as very sexually loosed and cheap.

This is my first time hearing this. I can bet my balls that this is also a lie.

Kai, Yoruba gbati people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos_Main_Market
http://www.aitonline.tv/post-reconstruction_of_the_burnt_jos_main_market_begins

https://www.pulse.ng/bi/lifestyle/jos-main-market-the-rise-and-fall-of-a-national-tourist-attraction/8rvqvys

Jos market that attracted intl tourists and buyers & sellers from all over Africa?

You can't compile what you don't have. The Yorubas can compile it easily because they truly have it.

Now you are resorting to useless kindergaten talk. Stick to the topic and pay attention!

Lol. After almost a month of evasion.

Don't worry wait. I will do a compilation when I have the time before the end of this year, I will tag you to give u the biggest shock of your life.

Hahaha, you don dey vex say I talk say your people dirty? But that's true na.

See, apart from Igbo land in the South, you cannot look at the lowclass or even low middle-class Yoruba ladies twice!
Same with the Nigerdelta. Only your middle-class ladies one can even think of dating.

But come to Jos and u will not even know who is rich or lowclass. This is because everyone dresses very very well and is outgoing. The weather is not also helping matters and you see everyone dresses up in cool outfits, jackets, mufflers, gloves and u think everyone there has lived abroad before sometime.
A southern girl who looks beautiful thinks the world revolves around her and takes her pusssy as a goldmine, but in Jos, u will see girls who are 9 on the scale of 1-10 and they will not even ask u for a Kobo when u are dating them.

That's the reason why almost every Southern guy that comes for his youth service in Jos will never want to go back.
This pisses me off like mad. You will see a mediocre Southern guy with a hot middlebelt girl. He can never ever dream of dating a girl of such class from his own part of the country cos they are materialistic as fucck. And it's not even as if they have any class. Same girls that will fight each other dirty in public till they get naked!
You can never see 2 Jos girls fight each other in public and display such shamelessness & razness over a man.
Petty people who think they are the next best things to slice bread just because you were first exposed to Western education. Nonsense.
Travel & see.

LegendHero:
I don’t want to start going round in circles anymore. Why are the Mexicans that much in USA and doing cheap labor? Why can’t USA rather go to Mexico to acquire farm lands to get the cheap labor instead? Can you see where you are wrong?

Mexico is more densely populated than the US.
Mexico is 61/km² while USA is 33/km², so it makes absolutely no sense.

Also, Mexico is far far more unsafe and unreasonable than US. Drug cartels control the rural areas, do u want American farmers to commit suicide by going to such places?

I hope you know that a Middlebelt country would be 10x more law abiding and crime free than a Yoruba country?

What do you even mean by the middle-belt? Are Kogi and Kwara Yorubas also included in your imaginary middle-belt? Last I heard Kwara is more educated and better than Plateau state in terms of socio-economic index. Correct me with real data if I’m wrong.

Lastly, how exactly are you Jos-Benue-Niger, etc better than the core North? Kaduna and Kano beats any city in the aforementioned states. Core-North especially Kano and Kaduna have more business men with greater economy than those middle belt states.

Besides education which I can say the middle-belt has, what else is there to show over that side. Are you not all living together like killers over there? One is a Muslim fanatics, the other part are Christian fanatics.

You’ve not shown much proof that you are 100miles ahead of those core-northerner you always tend to disparage. Even if you’re above them, it’s with a slight statistics.

Of course not, why will I add Yorubas of Kwara & Kogi to a middlebelt?
I don't even consider Ebiras & Nupes part of us, let alone your people.

Point of correction. Kaduna state or Kaduna city is not a core-northern area or Hausa fulani land. Zaria is their land not Kaduna city.
Kaduna city is a Gbagyi ancestral city. And when Nigeria divides, they cannot take an inch of Kaduna city.
Don't forget that we also go with Abuja

Yes, Hausas are more enterprising and commercial than my people but their illiteracy and extremism has destroyed this all.

My people are farmers, civil servants and educationists. We will diversify our ways of life to create more wealth when we are on our own, but we will be peaceful without terrorism & killings.
We will also be free from the ritual killings, one chance and scamming that you Yorubas and other Southerners have imported into our lands.

Yes, Kwara could be ahead of Plateau because we have like 1 million unprogressive Hausa fulanis & muslims in our state. When Nigeria divides, or even before we divide, they will all pack their loads to their Arewanistan. Apart from these filthy head slammers in our midst, it will be impossible for Kwara people to be more educated or have a better life than my people. NO WAY.

forgiveness:
Who are Niger Deltans? Benin, Itshekiri, Uhrobo, Ijaw, Efki, Ibibibio, Ukwani, Ikwere, Ogoja, Oron, Yoruba, Igbo, Kalabari and Annang.

What is the population of each ethnic groups?

Which of them embrace education?

Out of these, Uhrobo, Itshekiri, Ukwani, Benin, Igbo and Yoruba go to school in large numbers. The rest, I don't think so.

What is their population combined?

SS are about 25 million people by estimates. Besides, what does their population matter? Are we not talking about education percentages here?
Bring any statistic that shows Yoruba states more educated than SS states.

People like Legendhero will now say that Yorubas are better than Nigerdeltans because they Nigerdeltans do not brag and post long lists of their rich and big business people online.

These are the oldest schools in Nigeria. Where they empty?

Fourth bay College was established in the 19th century and the first student was from SW.

Nigeria's Oldest Secondary School


(1) Baptist Academy, Lagos : 1855
(2) CMS Grammar School, Lagos: 1859
(3) Methodist Boys High School, Lagos : 1878
(4) Methodist Girls High School, Lagos : 1879
(5) Hope Waddell Training Institute, Calabar: 1895
(6) Saint Annes School, Ibadan : 1896
(7) The old Wesley college, Elekuro (now Wesley college of science, Ibadan) : 1905
(cool Abeokuta Grammar School, Ogun : 1908
(9) Kings College , Lagos : 1909
(10) Alhuda College, Zaria : 1910
(11) Ijebu-Ode Grammar School, Ogun : 1913
(12) Eko Boys High School, Lagos : 1913
(13) Government Secondary School, Ilorin : 1914
(13) Government College Katsina-Ala : 1914
(14) Etinan Institute, Etinan, Akwa Ibom: 1915
(15) Ondo Boys High School, Ondo : 1919
How many doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, journalist etc did North produce as at 1920?



See the picture of Kano in 1913 in the first picture. Compare it with Ibadan and Abeokuta in 1913 in the second and third pictures respectively. Which is more developed?

Oga, I get am before nor be property... And the first to start is not always the first to finish.

Itsekiris & Benins traded with the Portuguese since the 15th century and they had people who travelled to Europe to school in the 16th century. How many of such people do Yorubas have?
The entire Southern Nigeria have an equal educational level right now, it doesn't matter who started it first.


And besides, that picture of Abeokuta you claim is 1913 is a lie from the pit of hell! That picture is for Ibadan in the 60s when Cocoa money was flowing into the Western region.

Do u know what 1913 is?

You Yorubas just lie passionately to boost your ego, that is very bad.

omonnakoda:
Ignorant

the Northernmost part of Oyo state is at a higher latitude than Benue state and same as Abuja

Benue does not have a Sudan Savannah.
It's vegetation is similar to that of Oyo. Heck even Taraba.
Here's a map of vegetations for Nigeria below.

Yorubaland is entirely Guinea Savannah, Swamp & rainforest (Ondo).

LegendHero:
The USA and china examples you cited here is not applicable in Agriculture. We are not talking about industries here so we should stick to the subject.

Yes, cheap labor is very good and it will determine a lot. But water will always find its own level. The Yoruba government will have no choice than to invest in Agriculture research and I am using USA example to show you how much research and technical know how can increase yield.

When you have the machinery and technical know-how, the need for manual labor for planting will drastically reduce coz machine can do what a laborer will do with high yield. Why are USA farmers successful? It is not only about their lands, it is about the technique. 10 farmers in USA with the right machinery/chemicals will outperform 1000 farmers down here doing the job manually.

Oh, you don't know that Farming is also an industry of it's own?
Do u think machines can do everything? Go and find out the millions of Mexicans & Latin Americans working in US & Canadian farms.

The machines cannot do everything. Some aspects of the farming must be done by hands.

Even White South Africans that control farming in SA and have all the machines in the world, they still employ millions of Black South Africans to do the dirty job.

@ the bolded, you are looking at this one way. What if the Yorubas start giving the middle-belt incentives of coming to the Yoruba nation on a type of visa and paying them lower fee to do the farming activities in Yoruba land. Just like Americans bringing lot of mexicans on USA soil for the meat processing industry and pay them low wages. Don't you think that is a possibility too?

You will have to pay a middlebelter twice or thrice the amount of money he would be earning in his country for him to come to your country and work for you.
Why?
Cos your region will definitely be more expensive and harsher for him.

A middlebelt person cannot leave 100k in his country for 150k in Yorubaland where housing and the overall cost of leaving is more expensive. He will not leave 100k in his country for 150k in Yorubaland with less friendly natives where he can be harassed by Agberos, Omoniles, Owomidas or kidnapped and used for rituals, armed robbers, cultists, scammers e.t.c.
And imagine by the time you are spending more money to bring them in, you are already defeating the aim of a cheaper cost of labour.

Your best bet for cheaper Labour would be to bring in Hausa fulanis cos their country would be like Somalia in the shortest possible time. You guys can also bring Malians, Somalians & Chadiens and they overrun the country within the shortest possible time

LegendHero:
Bro, let me tell you something you don't know. The greatest asset of the Yoruba nation is the intellectual resources. That is why we are better and why we will excel in any endeavor we find ourselves in.

How do countries get the food they don't produce? They import!

Even the Agriculture that the North always shout that they own. I was going through the NBS statistics of Nigeria Agriculture exports for Q3 2019 and you can see that the SW is a region to beat. We are part of the zone that contibute to the Agric export as evident in the cocoa and even certain shares of Cashew nuts.

What is Agriculture without Agri-economics? What is hardwork without brain power? Those are what distinguishes the middle-belt and the Yorubas.

Source:NBS

Yorubas are doing intellectually well, but you people are not better than anyone else apart from Hausa fulanis when it comes to the love of knowledge and education.

Hausa fulanis are just the ones dragging everyone backward in this country and limiting other people's potentials.

Today, you cannot find a Middlebelt or Northern Christian Youth that is a full blown illiterate! Our Youth literacy is something like 99% right now! 30 years ago, it was not so, we were still dragging in the mudwater of Illiteracy with Hausa fulanis.

So, talking about intellect is bullshit to me.
The only thing you people have that I will agree with is the diaspora population! These ones can come in with their exposure and capital and invest massively in the region to bring development. That is the only thing I know my people don't have in significant number, however, we have now started traveling out!

See, I am part of a middlebelt movement and if not for this useless coronavirus lockdown, we want to begin massive exportation of some of our unique farm products to Western countries.
We want to establish better packaging industries for our products, better markets for our products cos we have naturally more potentials than any other part of West Africa.

Imagine only Plateau & Taraba state have a subtropical climate in West & central Africa! We can grow Tea, Apples, strawberries, Lavender, grapes and many other exotic meditarranean and subtropical products and end the importation of these things into West Africa. This is just a tip of what my group want to start doing this year.

So, Ogbeni, my people are not illiterate and anti-progressive like the Hausa fulanis. We can match Yorubas or any Southern group in development abilities. Our only problem is that we are not materialistic and this promotes slowness. This is not a very bad attribute as it has helped us with reduced crime rates, however we must work on it.