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Slikbae:
Christians made the world a better place. If not for Christians, most of the technology you see today won't be in existence. If you hate religion, stay away from the religious section. Its common sense.

U aren't very bright, are u? Think before u type. Let me teach u how to think.
Everything u wrote that I am quoting right now has no iota of sense in it. Because some Christians made some discovery doesn't mean that their Christianity helped them make the discovery or that the discoveries wouldn't have been made without them. That's a counterfactual fallacy. If they didn't make the discoveries anybody else could have. Same goes for discoveries made by atheists or anybody else for that matter.
Learn to think before typing.

Whenever I read nonsense like this, I just wish these Christians that propagate this nonsense will be immediately raptured with their delusions so the world can actually become a better place

KingEbukasBlog:
If it were an atheist child speaking against religious beliefs , trust me , Richard Dawkins will overtly adulate the child and the atheist parents .

You atheists need to stop paying attention to that attention -seeker .

I agree with this

Mediator97:
This is 2016 years after the death of Christ.

So no one existed before the birth of Christ? How u guys are able to type on nairaland with the kind of brain power u possess amazes me

hopefullandlurd:
to be fair on Jacksonville, he did say "It was all over CNN when Syria's prophecy was fulfilled.. 2bombs blew off and 5 were stopped."
he can just provide us with two links
1: link of him (Apostle Johnson) prophesying that 7 bombing attempts would be made in Syria (not more, not less), that 2 of these attempts would be successful and 5 of these seven would be prevented; the link has to have date stamp that would be earlier than the stamp on the below link
2: a link to the story about the prophesy being carried out the same way the link I requested up there are listed
(7bombing attempts with 5 being averted)
doing this would give that benefit of doubt about him being a fraud and Jacksonville being a Suleiman Zombie
Jacksonville owe these two links NOT to us but to Neutrals whose opinion might be swayed by this thread

Yeah. And he should also pull a list of fire incidents over the past 5 years from the Lagos state fire service to prove that there has been more fire incidences this year and Suleiman had a premonition of it.
This is the information age. One clown can fool his followers but he can't fool smarter people with functional brains.

Jacksonville ****. The drivel u wrote up there is too much to be quoted. So I have mentioned u one more time. U still aren't making sense. U should provide proof about the 5 bombs that were averted and the dates or keep shut like I advised. None of us takes u and ur joke of a prophet seriously

U said the man is presently holding a crusade in London and he is helping people daily. How does that stop him from being a scam. Pablo Escobar, the drug kingpin, actually helped more people than ur tin god is doing. So how the fact that he helps a few people after scamming a thousand more helps ur argument is what I can't fathom.

He talked about Lagos beforehand when? Unless u have been living under a rock for the past 10 years, Lagos always have a lot of recorded fire incidences every year. U are obviously not very bright trying to use that argument here. U must think nairaland is filled with Suleiman zombies.

I like the fact that u excused his failed prophecies as some form of glitch to be expected. We will keep analysing the fraud u call a prophet every year and point out his fraudulent prophecies.

****

Jacksonville: ...

He recently talked about seeing 7bombs about to be exploded in Syria ..he said two would go off while 5 would be stopped. it happened... he asked for Lagos to interceded for because he saw fire incidents in most places in the realms of the spirit..recently there were random fire outbreaks in Lagos..so much more came to pass.

You have to see for yourself and not do hearsay..rumour mongers ..

U are just another dimwitted Suleiman worshipper. When did the emboldened happen? Bombs go off in Syria every time. Give me a specific time when two exploded and 5 didn't.
Fire outbreaks occur in Lagos every time. Since last year. I would even say there have been less fire outbreaks this year. Last year it was markets getting burnt. Suleiman is a scam. He just studies trends and makes predictions that conforms to it. Google analytics does better than that fraud. So shut ur mouth and crawl back into ur gullible bubble.
I have done an analysis of Suleiman's yearly prophecies and his success rate is less than 40%

KingEbukasBlog:
This makes more sense than the emboldened text - the scientists that thought Dawkins misrepresents Science are normal thinking humans who are repulsed by his bigotry and blatant intolerance of people's personal beliefs .They don't have to religious to be vociferous about their dislike for his repugnant behavior .

Now the above is perfectly logical

Ebuka again?
I usually don't like to get into an argument with u because I know u are smart, probably one of the smartest Christians on this section, and u understand opposing arguments but choose to argue anyway and usually pretend not to know the point the other person is making. I will indulge u for today just because of other people who will be misled by this ur comment.
The topic makes a bold assertion: scientists don't like Richard Dawkins. Apart from being a shameless click-bait, what the title assures us is that once we read the article, we should find at least a majority of scientists claiming to dislike Dawkins; it failed on that account. Awfully.
Now on reading further, we find that some minority number of scientists do not approve of Dawkins methods. That doesn't suggest they dislike the man, some would just rather hope he uses another approach. The same way I do not approve of ur deliberate misrepresentation of my arguments here but that doesn't mean I dislike u. If anything admire the logical counterbalance u sometimes provide against certain atheist arguments here.
I actually don't like Dawkins brand of atheism too. It's just too reminiscent of crusading Christians but I am indifferent about the man. Sometimes I feel he is needed to balance religious blindness that precludes human development and at other times I feel he overdoes it. Throughout the article we find even fewer people stating they dislike the man outrightly and at least half of those people are probably very religious.
That's my point

felixomor:
Hmmmm, the bolded sounds familiar.
Like the way atheists bring up God even though they are not asked abi?

By the way, they have spoken. They dont like him. He uses science for the wrong purpose and likes to step out of his boundaries.

**** If u had a much deeper logical savvy, u would have been able to come to a conclusion that the minor percentage who claim not to like Dawkins are probably the few religious scientists who are offended by his constant attack on religion and thus ur first comment on this thread would have been a little more measured.
I don't expect u to even understand anything I wrote just now though. I expect u to reply me with one or two illogical nonsense and move on.

Prinzofparis:
I feel peeps will get called from January 2017

So January is no longer the felt resumption date anymore. It's now the felt call up date. Hahahaha. Una go wound person for this thread. Make God sha answer all of us prayer

".......It is astonishing that the Bible was written by forty men over a period of 1600 years, yet their writings are compatible, in agreement, in one accord, related, consistent, orderly and harmonious.”

Hahahaha. It's very obvious this mofo hasn't actually read the Bible thoroughly. He is still basking in the euphoria of a new found belief. And he is enjoying the attention that comes with it hence the need to pen down the above nonsense he considers a sensible argument. Don't worry Majid, read on. U will soon find so many inconsistencies that u will come revert back to where u came from. We know ur type. Soon u will pull a Lynxx on us.

BTW, the reason we believe most historians is because their story is usually corroborated by their contemporaries. There's usually archaeological evidence to back it up too. That cannot be said for most stories in the bible. They are either usually apocryphal, never corroborated by evidence and contemporaries, or even contradicted by other passages in the bible itself.
We approach history with doubt at first and then, as evidence grows, we begin to believe that the stories are true and as newer evidence comes to light, we adjust our beliefs to accommodate them. That's science.
In religion, every thing written down, mostly by men with ulterior motives, is assumed to be true and unquestionable. That, in itself, is a great lie.

Christians should learn to start being humble enough to say "I don't know" when questions like this arise. Instead of giving rather senseless answers that raises more questions and quoting a lot of unrelated bible verses that only reminds us of their ability to memorise rather than thinking logically most times.

TomHagen:
While I agree that a lot of these things are ordinary physical tricks, it does not rule out the supernatural.

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Can you explain how rain-making works? NB Do not insult our intelligence by mentioning cloud-seeding when you want to reply. Cc: Jonbellion, hopefullandlord, raphiemontella NPcomplete, Grimmjoe.

Things that will make me believe in rain-making:
1. A rain-maker makes it rain in dry season 3 times consecutively at decided hours.
2. A rain-maker makes it rain on a spot we choose or an area we choose without raining outside that specific area.
I have a lot of so-called rain-maker in my family. Those fuckers are frauds. They usually study the weather and tell u they will make it rain if u don't pay them before holding a party or gathering. Call their bluff and nothing happens half of the time. Pay them and it still rains half the time. When u ask them why it still rained after paying them, they claim it's some other rain maker that reneged on the agreement. People don't take them seriously anymore

jonbellion:
pantheist then?

Something between theism and deism is more like it. I just abhor organised religion and mindless belief

hahn:
Oh, so that dude was really healed of AIDS?

Guy why u like trouble like this? Person don run go change im name to woman own and u still dey ask am of 500k? Fear God o.

jonbellion:
are you a deist? It makes more sense than believing in a personal God cuz I honestly don't see any deity interacting with it's creation

Deist is close but not quite it.

Pidggin:
Deep thinker, you keep seeing white and calling it red. Why is it that one needs to be intelligent to be athiest? You guys don't accept the simple minded into your fold?

But God uses the simple things of this life to make nonsense of your so called wisdom. Access to God is not based on western education but faith in our creator. I feel only sympathy for your kind

That moment when u are faced with the weakness in ur arguments and u realise it but just decide to ramble on in order to save face. U shouldnt have said anything. At no point in that incoherent nonsense u just wrote did u come any close to saying something remotely intelligent.
Not an atheist by the way.

Pidggin:
Why would someone kill another based on the promise of wealth, power, influence and so on? You don't think they have been asked to at the expense of losing their most important asset(their soul?).

Of course I know you don't believe in the supernatural but ask yourself why these activities are prevalent everywhere including in the West. Witchcraft and communication with the dead is common. People won't keep doing it if it's only an illusion. There's no point arguing with you guys, you have obviously been blinded to the truth

U guys just don't engage in deep thinking, do u? I will say it again for u to understand: the preponderance of a belief or action does not always validate the belief or action.
Take the killing of twins that used to occur in Nigeria as an example, some people used to see twins as a bad omen. Twins were killed in the thousands because of people like u. I am sure there was someone named Pidggin back then too who stood his ground claiming that killing twins was a necessity arguing that "if it isn't true, why have our ancestors been killing them?"

raphieMontella:
hey god ooooo
pls wow me more...
Walking on water
You dont know the drill?
Now i understand your condition..

Promise10 probably thinks WWE is real too and that Barney is a real magical dinosaur.

promise10:
atheism and false claim!

....of my juju?? who told you i perform juju?? what kind of nonsense be dis??



yeah, i know! just act one that is appealing like the op and post it on niaraland!

Yes u made some claim about the efficacy of juju like as if u have one. And when u were called out on it, u hid like a chicken and started claiming u don't know where one is done u were just making an argument. The same way u are claiming the video up there is juju. Have u noticed that smarter Christians have not commented on this thread to support that claim? It because they are smart and know better. Which is more than I can say for u.

Let me correct one impression u have, I am no atheist. My lack of belief in that video as an evidence of magic does not mean I do not believe in God. U must think everyone who uses his brain is an atheist. No wonder modern Christianity is championed by thoughtless zombies.
Now let me get ur argument straight. Are u seriously saying that the inability of any of us here to show mastery of the skills required to pull off the tricks in that video means it is actually magic? That will be a new low in irrationality.
That's like saying Usain Bolt runs using magic because none of us can run as fast as he does.

promise10:
why not do your own video with your so-called sleight of hand and post it on nairaland?!

This one is irredeemable. This same guy that couldn't give us proof of his juju is here mouthing off. There are many videos online to show how such sleight of hand is done but u wouldn't even bother to educate urself. Anything that challenges ur beliefs is usually avoided by people like u. If u believe that stuff up there is actually magic and not tricks then u need to be re-educated.

GoodMuyis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPMaVqPCJLA

Download: https://ssyoutube.com/watch?v=HPMaVqPCJLA

If After watching this and said, Satan, super power is not real, then
.
The truth is reveal.

==modified==
For Nigerian Police to have Offense Code for Illegal Possession of Juju and Witchcraft Related Matter and Juju
Then an dubious folk will come and tell us their is not JUJU O ti ri ise aye, if them pursue and catch you em, you dry pass bonga fish

Truth is revealed? More like truth is bereaved.
Try harder. Is this what u call juju? Are u that gullible? U better watch d video well and follow his other hand.

Thashen:
[color=Black] Absurd!


The resolution which you were supposed to negate was something along the lines of " How did Bushiri manage to melt people's abdominal obesity " abdominal obesity is fat around the stomach, not around arms, or necks.[/color]

U are making my point for me. Why is he focusing on the abdomen? Why not the whole body? I was expecting more from that video. If he really has the power to spontaneously reduce stomach fat that way, why isn't he reducing all the fats around the body? Why the stomach alone? Doing the rest of the body should be just as easy if it's a miracle for real. People should come there very fat and go home trim

Hahahaha. Bushiri is a goddamn fraud.
Please everyone watch those videos and laugh with me. How come his "miraculous" weight loss is only limited to the stomach? If someone's to lose weight they lose it all around their body. They lose fat from their stomachs, arms, necks, thighs etc... The arms and thighs are usually the best indicators of weight loss not the stomach which can easily be contracted. That video just shows there aren't a lot of intelligent people in that church and that followers will always play along with whatever a pastor says with a belief that it will actually work.
I was even expecting to see a real obese person become totally slim on live TV.

KingEbukasBlog:
The emboldened text

Seriously? U are kidding right? Do u know how many crusades and camps I have gone to? Do u know how many people come there wheeled in or sprawled on the ground seeking miracles? Why are u like this?
Let me make it simpler for u. Next time u go to a crusade and see people getting healed, don't count the number that claim to be healed. Count the number that went home disappointed.

KingEbukasBlog:
Evidence , evidence , evidence , evidence

Where are the evidences for these claims ? What is wrong with you people

LOL Ebuka. Typical dishonest Nigerian Christian. When such things happen and it gets to Nairaland front page, u will be the first to claim they aren't true Christiana but pretenders perverting the word of God. Now asking for evidence they do it? I don't even have the time for a futile argument

KingEbukasBlog:
Evidence for this claim please .

Evidence for what claim please?

Thashen:
[color=Black] You cannot help someone who
doesn't want help. Doctors don't go around the streets helping the sick. The sick go to them for help.[/color]

Actually this is false. Have u ever heard of medicenes sans frontier? Or The Red Cross? Those guys actively seek out the sickk in underdeveloped regions and treat them or vaccinate them. If there's a cure for aids today, u can bet it will work at least 80% of the time. Unlike in churches where a 1000 vetted cripple come and only one or two whose history isn't known are healed.

Thashen:
[color=Black]Alright, fair enough. How about the men with abdominal obesity who had their tummies flattened on a live service, how did he manage to do that since money is obviously not involved here.[/color]

I can't answer this until I see a video of it. Too many people make too many claims. Even Harry Houdini could make a live elephant disappear on stage. It wasnt magic. Just a few tricks here and there. We have to see the video to comment on it.

Thashen:
My questions remains . ..

When Shephered Bushiri prophesied about Zambia's 2015 elections that Mr Edgar Lungu would win and it came to pass, what prior knowledge did he have to make such prediction? Did he utilize a Swami Gimmic? Was it a lucky guess? When he also prophesied about an attack on President Lungu’s health and it came to pass, what prior knowlege did he have? And when he prophesied to a South African lady in front of thousands of people that she had cheated on her Husband with his cousin, and contracted HIV, did she tip him off?Do you seriously think she would compromize her reputation like that because of money? Men with abdominal obesity has had their tummies flattened on a Live service, what prior knowledge did he have?
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If u are a Nigerian, u won't be asking if someone can claim he has HIV just to make a quick buck. There are too many cases of it. There is even one that happened on Nairaland two years ago. I will find u the link maybe u will see that there is no limit to how low humans will stoop for fame and money.
In Nigeria, pastors send accomplices to bury charms and other fetish objects in people's houses overnight then come back the next money to pray and have a "revelation" that something is buried in the compound then dig it up and claim they have delivered the family.
Too many miracle performing syndicates get caught almost every year and usually because they had a disagreement over their sharing formula.
So Bushiri isn't even half as skilled as the average Nigerian spiritual racketeer. If u spend some time in Nigeria, u will understand why I am a skeptic.

This played out on Nairaland here. Just one example of what goes on in Nigeria everyday.
https://www.nairaland.com/1995144/breaking-news-joagbajes-miracle-hiv

The OP got it all wrong. Nobody is saying religion is directly causing ills in the society (sometimes it does, like in the case of children being accused of witchcraft in some parts of Nigeria encouraged by the pastors in that area) but what they are saying is that religion permits ills to remain and usually contribute to the perpetuation of such ills.
Exhibit 1: Almost all corrupt politicians who rob the country blind are religious. U will find them in the front row of ur religious houses displaying the wealth gotten at d expense of development and nobody calls them to order. Even pastors seem to revere them and accord them more attention than others. These people give part of this I'll wealth to the church and the churches accept it. Everyday u hear the pastor preaching about seeing someone whose enemies are out to get him but I am waiting for the day we hear a pastor call out a politician and tell him he shouldn't steal the money he is planning to steal d next day.

Exhibit 2: Irresponsibility and passing the buck. When people fail, they are supposed to learn from their failure and improve upon it. We have heard of great men who failed so many times before achieving greatness. Failure is supposed to help one course-correct and learn from experience. Religion has instead shifted the blames for failure to imaginary enemies. Pastors, especially the ones who claim to be running a deliverance ministry, have helped raise a paranoid and irresponsible generation. Instead of learning from mistakes, people rush to church and start praying hard then come back to repeat the mistakes again. I have studied Jehovah's Witnesses and MFMs, I don't see any difference between the quality of life among the two. Even though MFM devote their time to the vanquishing of their enemies, they don't seem any better off for it. So they must have spent much of that time in futility. Probably explains why they have to fight spiritual powers ad infinitum

I could go on and on but u get the gist.