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I SAID I DO NOT WANT TO BE PUSHED!

So let Jo tell us who wrote these quotes AND to who? These are EXACT quotes!

1. I've thought of doing this appeal several time, but I felt ,it's like revealing one' weakness to a sworn enemy

2. I want to appeal to you to stop harassing me with christ embassy pastoring

3. If these public exposures  gets out to the ministry ,its not to my favour. [size=18pt]That[/size] has been my concern.

4. I really want to maintain my I.D on NL. but if this harassment doesn't stop , I will have to change I.D. For good.

ALL THE ABOVE ARE QUOTES! E X A C T quotes! ! ! ! ! ! ! From Only ONE email out of close to 1 dozen!

And there is more!

Jesus spoke of the Pharisees as hypocrites. He said they were blind people leading the blind and concluded that they would fall together. I spoke and explained in detail to one of the pastors I respect most TODAY about this matter and asked if DeepSight and NLMediator AND particularly Zikky (whom I have tremendous respect and love for) were right to tell me to back down. He carefully asked the circumstances and turned it around - he GAVE ME THE EXACT EXAMPLE I GAVE HERE EARLIER - DIMEJI BANKOLE - WHAT OF THOSE HIS ACTIONS DEPRIVED IF HE IS PROVED GUILTY?

HE CONCLUDED THAT THE REQUESTS TO KEEP QUIET ARE A MANIFESTATION OF HOW LOW OUR VALUE SYSTEM HAS BECOME and how everything has become an academic exercise!

As I stated and honestly believe, this is about whether Jo has moral right to lead God's Flock -

does he lie without fear? YES
does he place himself as Christ/God or equal (without having the same character)? YES
is he DELIBERATELY deceitful? YES
Can "this" pastor stand where Biblical pastors who gave their lives, were sawn in two, boiled in hot oil, shot with arrows, fed to lions, beheaded, crucified etc stand? NO
Is this ANYBODY's definition of a Christian? NO

Then someone should please tell me - what makes him worthy to "preach" or stand as example?

Satan actually preached to Christ!! and MR. DEEPSIGHT, Satan also used the Bible. He used direct words from the Bible - was he right? Is Jo right when he turns the Word of God on its head?

I think Pastor-AIO and KunleOshob have said all that is on my mind - the methodical diabolic scattering of anything that exposes them and the fact that this is about human souls!

Deepsight says "every man's salvation is up to himself". But are you involved in this matter?? The dude in our sights SAYS that his preaching is what is bringing people into God's kingdom. Read that as its up to him. Which would suppose that his method and results determine the final result.

Jesus Christ (on whose behalf we all speak) also said - "woe to you teachers, for you go to the ends of the world and upturn mountains to convert men and when converted, make them TWICE THE CHILDREN OF HELL that yourselves are".

If you need any more proof of the danger these people pose aside that statement by the person they claim to represent, please let me know.

@yommyuk:

I respect Zikky to the point where I will sheathe my sword (if not pushed) for now! So I will be quiet (if not pushed further)

God is my witness I didn't wish this and I really like Jo. That is why I sought his work and found out more about him. I actually wanted to ask him to do a painting for me at a time because HE IS DEFINITELY GIFTED which is why I copied his paintings! But this manipulation, scheming and deceit is not fair to the Name Jesus! He suffered unjustly for us - why should we crucify Him afresh?

@[size=18pt]INESQOR[/size]:



So what happened? Tried you again now and the number is switched off so I assume it has changed.

Welcome back (I hope you are back)!!!

^^ I would accept the above but have a few issues

1. Jo will as I said, snidely state something then disappear with his gang taking over to cause confusion and ensure you can no longer follow the flow. There is an amazing example of this behavior on the thread titled "When did the Apostles become born-again". I wish someone would post the link to that thread here - I think it was page 8 (not sure when they came in and displayed this)

2. Why does Jo have the right to say anyone here is not a Christian or has NOT received the Holy Spirit but we do not have the right to prove that he it is indeed, that is not. Fruits count, not gist so we look at the conclusions evidenced clearly from his history here rather than avoid such when they are beacons telling us who he is. Why doesn't DS complain when Jo calls people "Spiritual Vagabonds" but slinks away when the EXACT SAME CRITERIA IS MATCHED BY CHRIS OYAKILOME?

3. Even on this thread and as Enigma has pointed out, Jo will request "scriptural" refutations solely and immediately, his gang rush in. If this does not debar you and you get your point across, he slinks away, avoids the thread and a few days later, appears on another thread saying exactly the same thing. At the same time, his gang scatter the previous thread so that whatever you said becomes history. That is manipulative deceit - what ought we call a deceiver (especially one using the Name of God to perform his antics)?

DeepSight is about debates. But this is not about debates for Christians - its about the lives and the salvation of people. A view that I have right to lie, steal, manipulate and cheat is NOT a Christian view - thats why the DeepSight analogy is wrong. And educating the flock is even easier - show them that their leader is blind and will lead them to perdition, not rub bhis back with endless debates that get nowhere.

A lot of threads here will prove that point to you - you suddenly start getting questions like Azibula asking "What is truth?" then mabel saying "this is a poverty mentality", then newmi shows up with "I spit on this". Meanwhile, Jo keeps spreading poison.

By the way, on PROOF - Jo himself dares not refute that he has posted as "Joagbaje", "mabel" and "Akhozem" AT LEAST! As Akhozem, he praised himself (Joagbaje). As mabell, he supported "Joagbaje". so we're not talking about suppositions but reality. And Atheists are watching & mocking!

I actually feel sorry for the guy. I think these are two things most false teachers get a lot of and revel in - attention & the victim mentality.

"Oh, here's this gentleman who never gets angry and at least, is doing something. Why is everyone fighting him?"

Oh well, we see people call our President names like "odechukwu" and Buhari "the terrorist Ayatollah". The public eye is a vicious place to be in and when you enter it with claims like "I am as Christ", "the Apostle James knew nothing or well, very little", you MUST expect that you too must face the tests Christ and the Apostle James faced.

Sadly, our man failed them ALL.

EDITED:
Now I wonder - if he passed these tests like those non-gentlemen, I wonder if any'd be feeling sorry for him.

^^ Not too surprised. Especially at your desire to take the bite away from my allegory and water it down.

Questions are simply

1. Is said dude a biblical example of a Christian with what we've seen? Pls do not make me go thru the entire hog of multiple ids , lies etc again.

2. Can the blind lead the blind successfully? At least, according to the Bible since you have alternative viewpoint?

3. Are his reputation and emotions of more weight than the hundreds following these erroneous teachings and getting into problems?

4. What would a decent DeepSight say about someone who professes enmity publicly but befriends him privately? That he is a lovely chap of upstanding morals and character, perhaps?

I see people saying Bankole ought not be made an example because he's a youth, he's yoruba, he's egba etc - do you think so too even if he is FOUND guilty - cos you see jo as a victim forgetting those who'd otherwise benefit from truth. By the way, he was FOUND guilty of the things I stated above.

Finally, what do I stand gain FOR MYSELF from all this? I own no church and collect no gifts. . Look at Jo's side of the divide

^^

Just like your fathers called Jesus Himself a "son of belial" for calling them "generation of vipers" ehn?

Sons of belial are hypocrites, money worshiping and mog (establishment) following dimwits like you.

^^ I know what hedonism is.

But whist the man is in love with money/pleasure, hedonism has traditionally been associated with more physical (carnal and sexual) behavior. You know I have issues with the man with anyone reading this will get the wrong idea. David Koresh & Revd King preached hedonism - Chris Oyaks does not, except we wish to stretch the truth and witch-hunt him

Hedonism ke?

Don't you think that is going too far?

@DeepSight:

Its instructive that this thread is named AFTER Joagbaje just like I did way back with "How Joagbaje became God". I think that in itself explains that this is about a person, a personality and assessments of that personality.

Let us leave semantics and come down to brass tacks. you may not be aware but Aletheia is the person who's posts I most align with on NairaLand. Yet even he and I have had disagreements on this forum so I totally agree about the issue of differing views. Now to Jo and what you think is vitriol against him

Claims : -> Jo is a pastor. A Christian. A mature one and a sincere person.

Issue: -> What are the characteristics of Sincere Mature Christian pastors

As simply as possible -
1. Fear of God
2. Honesty
3. True sincerity
4. refusal to hobnob with evil and/or evil semblances
5. I could go on but you catch the drift

Questions: ->

Do people who fear God manipulate His Word? i.e. say one thing today and another tomorrow? Or equate themselves with Him? etc
Do honest people use multiple IDs to provide THEMSELVES with support? Do they say "he could have lied his head off" then back down at the threat of further disclosure and attempt to "damage control". Would such a lie have been exposed if I didn't become "ungentlemanly"?
Do sincere people turn truth on its head?
Do sincere Christians support God/Christ OR avoid such only to become vociferous when defending their pastor "god"
Jo said I was evil - why go outside to hobnob with evil. If I didn't say so, would anyone believe his "godship" was coming to my "demonship" for help surreptitiously?

Its sad that you look at these issues from a purely legal point of view- we see the poison, the untruth etc. Which of the questions I state above would you attribute to someone you consider a true reflection of Jesus (even whist not being A believer). Now if I cannot find Christian attributes (aside preaching and anyone can do that - plus its not even a Christian attribute), why should I see you as Christian? And if you then are not a Christian, should I allow things stand as "To each his own" and allow you teach "anti-TRUE-Christian" stuff when I am supposed to be my brother's keeper?

I backed down on Joagbaje for awhile, DS, and I backed down immediately because I got the impression the dude was listening and understanding that for us (me), the issue was about returning the societal perception of what we believe, to what the Bible shows us. Purity, honesty, LOVE. Today, do you not know that some churches have reputations for "immorality"; others for fraud, violence, theft etc? How pure, honest and loving does that make Church/Christianity look? How edifying is that for any sincere person?

How would you feel if your chambers/office had a couple of guys who repeatedly went out and defrauded clients in your name? Would your partners keep quiet simply because "they are lawyers like us"? What would that do to the reputation of your firm? How long would your firm stomach it? Would you be angry with your firm for involving police or failing that, for asking them to stop and at their refusal, dissociating the rest of the firm from their activities?

Paris10 just started a thread "the more he sees, the less church appeals" or something like that - why? What is disgusting us INSIDE God's House? We all work for profit and wish prosperity- at what cost? Justice denied to others? Poverty guaranteed to others? Would you kill simply to buy "another" car or sleep with another woman?

Why should we keep quiet whist they have a right to pretend piety and dish out poison for self gain? Do you know that ACCORDING to the Bible, Christians are judged NOT by talk but by Fruit? So please tell me what manner of Christian [1] lies [2] manipulates [3] pretends [4] worships man and cash rather than God (worship is not talk but action). Would you call this "Christian" a man after Gods' Heart? We all strive but some strive and deliberately so, for the wrong things! So yes, you are right this is emotional - but it is true! And despising one man/movement is better than despising the entirety of society by looking on whist evil reigns

Does he possess any brains?

This guy is the best evidence for evolution I can think of - if evolution were true, he evolved directly from the daft-est goat ever!

^^ Please ask him also to study the concept of Christ's Sacrifice and why He said "Abraham rejoiced to see My day" - which day?

I also wonder what these guys make of the concept of the "Elect" and why the Bible says EVERYONE ELSE will serve/worship the beast?

Timothy is an exhortation whist Revelation is more a prophetic book. In both Pauls' wisdom and God's direct understanding, we are told that Christ's sacrifice was accomplished at the beginning of time and NOT when He said "it is finished".

I think the problem with these guys is exactly what they would hang on other necks - "BABY TEETH". They think about God and His Word in "man" thoughts/time.

"I ate Rice now" means to a "man" that recently I ate the food whist with God, a statement like "You are blessed" means it is done EVEN if you are currently feeling like the most cursed pathetic human ever created.Once He says/determines it, it is done and the Word tells us simply "My ways and not your ways". What the true mature Christian does is compare Spiritual with Spiritual.

As Far as the Bible is concerned, the Lamb was sacrificed at the beginning - fini. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE - ENOCH WAS SAVED- How, if the Bible says the best of Man's righteousness is like a filthy rag? The only way is if God imputed righteousness to him!

@Joagbaje:

Thank you for clearing my Name and clarifying that I did not lie unlike what your prior post suggested. I was worried if my eyes deceived me and went back to check and was relieved to see I wasn't (though I have NO qualms about apologizing unlike some people who must never be wrong).

My question as posed earlier still remains - did you ever consider that God may have created you to be greater than whatever you think oyaks is? And that Paul went through a life as Saul before turning to "TRUE" truth?

@Enigma:

He has explained himself - Abraham was nominally (partially) saved (but lived in hellfire) until Jesus (died, was tortured and Himself became born-again then made Abraham and co able to receive the same) when he became fully saved and received his transfer to heaven with Enoch who was in the 2nd heaven and Elijah too.

Purgatory is real after-all  

Of course, he dares not answer those questions. and this is their problem - half-baked lazy people climb on stage and give pep-talks interspersed with scripture and of course, nobody can question them on pulpits. But bring them down  off the high-horses and the shallowness is appalling

@newmi's double:

eff off!

Joagbaje:
I never told anyone my livelihood is threatened. [size=18pt]He can be lying his head off[/size] , I don't have his boyish time. I only said ,if you want to abuse me , leave church out if it. It's un ethical, personal ,privacy attack should stop. Such things may have consequences.  Well, that's you people small minded problem. I rather make money nd put into the gospel. I have many friends here. Even on Facebook. They know the things I do. I make good money.

IS HE (me) LYING HIS HEAD OFF? The emails are there, dude and can be posted here - did you or NOT say it can cause problems for you at church cos nobody sent you here? I know you won't answer because we both know the truth!

@Snowwy:

Obviously, speaking and writing fair english is not reason enough to assume intellect. I apologize for crediting you with higher than above par CE intellect and will forthwith place you on the same pedestal as newmi.

@all:

BTW, Jo also stepped in deeper shite when he mentioned "converted" gentiles yet insists that Christs sacrifice is the only way. What then do you say of those who lived righteous lives but never heard of Christ either before or after His earthly sacrifice and who have now passed? Or those alive in china, saudi etc who have never heard because oyaks prefers to return the gospel to the land of dollars rather than the ends of the earth?

Think carefully before committing those tens of Billions of damnation and explain why the Judge of the Whole Earth does right!

^^ You honestly expect Jo to answer those questions? 

I laugh in CE tongues - "sharaptaricewithdodoandebaaftercosiamveryhungry- hungrychrisyaksisspeakinrubbishsometoomstsayopata"

Well, maybe its time for our newer members to see the art of selective amnesia and sight at work!

Cos otherwise, confusion will break more than bone today on this thread!

EDITED: By the way, I really liked his "rationale" on your link - God has forgiven Eddie Long for a sin he refused to admit? Yeah, right!

When did he ask for forgiveness when he didn't admit it, anyway? Its "revelation knowledge" that MOGs are forgiven for sins they did not commit!

Show one time I ever called for help in dealing with anyone.

Show one time when I was involved where you said "we" (who is we and who are my crew members) argued like wolves!

We all know Joagbaje knows at least mabell (they even slept in the same place), newmi, azibulua, fyneguy etc PERSONALLY. We also know Joagbaje is also known as "AKHOZEM" amongst other IDs.

I have met KunleOshob only ONCE when he came around to town for a party and called me.

I have NEVER met Aletheia, Enigma, SirJohn etc.

It may also interest you that I have met over 300 members of Nairaland on business so meeting him and one other person in Religion does seem disproportionate when you consider that less than 4% of my activity on NL has been outside "Religion", doesn't it?

Keep up with the "chris" work - you will get your just dues presently. "With the perverse, I will show Myself perverse" is what the Word says!

Another daft post - Does God look upon iniquity? Read the Bible for an answer or just remember why God forsook Christ on the cross

So if God walks with you, you are righteous, No? Since He cannot even look at it or you think He walked with Enoch whist blind-folded?

Is there any man that is righteous of his own "works" or attempts? What does the Bible say about man's righteousness?

So if God looks upon these AND even lives with them (or where would you say God took them to? Hellfire??), they must be righteous, isn't it?

And if NO MAN can be righteous of his own works, then it is "imputed" to them, isn't it?

By who? Oyakilome? Or Revd King?

Observers will note what is happening between Aletheia and the "chris" gang!

Once locating an "enemy", Joagbaje sets the ball rolling saying his opponent is wrong, unfair, evil etc. He then withdraws from discussing with such and pretends meekness avoiding all quarrel and anger. He fixates on his quiet poison but his gang then show up and start to tear into the "opponent". Gradually, the individual finds himself more involved in countering their insinuations and attacks rather than "teaching" the alternative to Joagbaje's poison. A few more posts and another (Azibulua or better still, that animal "newmi") will show up, then mabell etc.

This allows Jo to quietly come back, spread some more poison and at the same time, defend himself ignoring the truth posted from such opponent by saying "he is fighting and attacking people and that is not Christian". It also creates white space so the "truth" becomes part of the previous pages!

Brilliant (for devils).

This is likely what Jesus faced that caused Him to call people "Hypocrites", "White washed sepulchers", "Generation of vipers" etc.

Their ancestors did it and here they are again, doing same and calling Right "evil"

Snowwy:
@Nuclearboy,
kindly show us in the bible where it was said that the righteousness of Elijah and Enoch was a gift from God as you just stated.

^^ I SAID

Considering that the Word says NO man is righteous and that all our righteousness are as filthy rags before God, I would say that the righteousness of these two gentlemen was a gift from God - Just like Abrahams' which is explicitly stated.

Which would mean that if Abraham's was EXPLICITLY STATED, then Enoch and Elijah were NOT EXPLICITLY STATED. My post remains above and my inferences and reason for them are clear - I was given a brain and I use it!

I know you, Snowwy, to be of fairly higher intellect than the regular NL CEC gang so you do know what you are doing. Joagbaje has stated a position which I have countered and your warped sense of loyalty and fealty to oyakilome demands that you, a fan of his and Jo, must present as much opposition to my case as possible. This more so especially before NLMediator who it seems, is now the one you all seek to be on your side.

Know this - I am NOT looking for support on NL. Seek all you want but any discerning reader who goes through past posts will see through you and understand what all of you do is come to Joagbaje's defense by attacking any contrary view. NLMediator is obviously more than up to par with the level of your combined intellects and will see through you.

^^ Only 50 posts and you've gone head to head with our man Flint in quite a number of threads? The insidiousness/poison will get to you soon.

Lets watch and see how long it is before you're told to "humble yourself and learn" or that you're a baby or asked if you are Christian and have received the HS.

Guess this post may slow it down a bit but then again, not many reasoning marbles (which will help ensure caution) in that brain.

^^

Enigma TOTALLY settles the issue!

Except if what some are saying is that Paul meant people were getting drunk on Ribena.

@NLMediator:

The Bible says that Enoch & Elijah went up to heaven "alive" though in Enoch's case, the words used were ambiguous. The Bible also says that that God cannot behold iniquity.

The two statements above infer that Enoch and Elijah were righteous in the sight of God. Question then becomes - was that due to their goodness or imputation by/from God? Considering that the Word says NO man is righteous and that all our righteousness are as filthy rags before God, I would say that the righteousness of these two gentlemen was a gift from God - Just like Abrahams' which is explicitly stated. Question then becomes - How did they achieve this when Christ was not yet sacrificed?

I believe the answer is found when the Bible says the sacrifice of Christ was achieved at the beginning. OT Saints looked forward whist we today look backwards but both AT THE SAME CROSS. But the physical act was just symbolism. The act had already been achieved according to the Bible and its achievement made Enoch and Elijah possible.

No Christian will look down on Christs sacrifice but the question is when was He sacrificed? I suggest you look at God's Word rather than publications like ROR and/or history as God's Word transcends these

NLMediator makes sense (if I was bothered about how I look). Way I see this though, (and I'm sincere about this), if required to choose between perception of me AND the opportunity to show others a way to escape Satan's trap, I'd choose the latter in a heart beat.

The penultimate post by EarsWide above gives an idea of how many see the man Joagbaje here - I sincerely do not think anybody hates him but the boasts, the manipulations, the insincerity, the lies - all of it is just ridiculous.

This is a guy who has been caught out using multiple IDs to vote for himself, to praise his own previous posts using another ID etc. This is someone who changes views as readily as you'd change a toothbrush - once used, discard it till it can move your next view/position forward. I wouldn't normally bother but for him to come here and attempt saying such as "humble yourself" HERE whist humbling himself before me outside? That took the cake - interestingly, I had actually backed down on him (an being called out twice by other posters) simply because his mails indicated desperation but to accept insujt (him wielding the big stick here before his "adoring" fans) was just too much.

I wonder if NLMediator really does get the picture here and understands why I'd throw caution to the winds

EDIT: Like EarsWide says above, "Its time the Gloves came off". They do not care whose Ox is gored as long as the crowds/money comes in. Why should I consider "manners" when someone has so thoroughly vilified himself and yet continues to have his fans? I also wonder - how do you think the firsthand observers of Christ felt when He took a whip into the Temple and used it on people? or when He called the leaders a "generation of vipers"?

Joagbaje ignored my posts and stuff - others did not. If you think his perception of me means a jot to me, you're mistaken.

He made me out to be like some sort of demon - ask around to find out if that is the general perception

It is precisely for that reason that him coming privately was "funny"

@NLMediator:

Thanks for your response. Maybe you should ask yourself then - what made the communication private?

I expect that the maxim "it takes two to tango" still applies to humans. Or are you saying that the fact he decided to hide his true nature from others is binding on me? Do not forget that I did NOT initiate the contact and remained mainly belligerent through it. If I had initiated it, I would understand your point and see my disclosure as being possibly interpret-able as "entrapment". But I did not initiate and thus remained free of encumbrance!

Interestingly, I did ask him one thing - I would name someone IF he promised non-divulgence. He refused to give me that. Turn it around then - for he wanted freedom to do whatever he wished with whatever he learnt from me whist wishing my silence in the same instance. How apt and descriptive of the manipulative pulpits we see today - "do as I say but not as I do!", ehn?

I am not a spring-chicken, NLMediator and I do understand your point. But you are working with very very VERY little understanding of just who I was portrayed to be by same person. The fact such would come quietly speaks volumes.

Finally, I am not bothered about perception. I stand to gain nothing from my stance. I actually likely stood to gain more from "joining" the establishment. But this for me, is about truth and the countless people out there who see these people as spiritual leaders and follow without understanding that they will come to Satan (or is that not what they called me) to bargain to move ahead.

If my meaning in and the significance of, that last statement slipped by you, I'm afraid I don't know what else I can say. For that is my PROBLEM here!

NLMediator:

you obviously have a good head on your shoulders - maybe you ought go through more threads in the past to understand where we are coming from:

This dude has told the whole world I am NOT worthy of conversation
He has said I am not a Christian
He has ignored everything I say or post
His gang follow me around casting aspersions on anything and everything I say even when not directly related to them
In effect, I am an enemy

Suddenly,

I get a phone call saying this same guy called someone and asked him to plead with me to "back off"
I laughed and said "Me? Impossible and can't happen = impossicant"
Later that evening, I check a mailbox I opened ONLY because of NL and to my amazement, he had written me "MY APPEAL"
As at the timing of stated email, he was saying I was effectively "satanic" openly on NL
So I replied, telling him what I thought of him etc in plainer words than I use here
He responded "courteously" INSTANTA though he had been ignoring everything I say on NL
We've written say, 12 - 15 mails to each other
I always insult (deliberately) particularly, Chris Oyakilome (just to see what he would say)
There, he finds excuses and says nothing but try that on NL (where Chris & co can see it) and watch the hackles rise & defense come out
Comms ceased only when it became obvious NO level of gist would get me to "become" a friend to their cause

What do you make of the above considering that the same guy is [1] ignoring me HERE on NL, [2] I didn't ask or even wish for communication (in matter of fact, my attitude is obviously that I despise his style and beliefs) [3] he is fawning in private conversation.

Me: I was disgusted! And so I refuse to apologize to anyone who thinks I should be decent with a deliberately cruel unfeeling schemer.

@DeepSight:

You were human before becoming a lawyer. Surely, you have not lost your natural human aversion to filth? If you have, Pele!

yommyuk:
Referring to the bolded above, pls be more specific

@Yommy:

How? Long time! "Pastor" Joe contacted his "worst enemies" (in his estimation) on NL ---> SirJohn (the misguided liar as he calls him), KunleOshob (can you imagine?) & myself (the ignorant babyteeth boy) via email quietly outside NL. Let me leave the list at that. His first mail to me was titled "My Appeal" and specifically said he was not sent officially to NL and thus, our "stressing" him could cause problems back at church HQ.

I was deliberately very rude in our communication; calling him thief, criminal etc but to my astonishment (because here on NL, he was totally ignoring me), he never took offense at even the worst insults but only sought excuses to explain. Suddenly too, he started replying me on NL trying to make civil conversation even though he used to ignore me before (just as he does now having again determined I won't become a friend). Long story there!!

Can you show me where Christ tried to become friends with the Pharisees? I can show them seeking Him out to placate Him. So, why is someone openly calling me a baby-teeth and/or non-christian on NL then quietly seeking to placate/discuss with me? Who does that resemble? Jesus or the "Pharisees"? If you know you are telling truth, why try to shut up dissenting voices by seeking to make them friends?

I have told Jo - they are trying to take away God's Glory from Him - But He is jealous and will disgrace them all over and over till they embrace truth & humility or get destroyed. While God knows I feel empathy for him because he shows "humanity" when embarrassed at times, I find myself pitting that against the Justice being denied the poor, needy and widows to the point where even these are scammed to bring their mite to billionaire business-men.

Plus Jo is gifted (I have copies of at least 4 of his paintings) - why not face real manly work and THEN, claim all the tripe you claim now to prosper? Why is that for others while they bring cold cash to you?

Pastor AIO:
Good evening sir!  Those days are long gone.  [size=13pt]Today you have people fighting for their livelihoods[/size] so it is necessarily a do or die affair.

Therein lies the problem and the issue.

When people who fight with you openly on NL sneak behind and start writing you letters titled "My appeal" and in these, appealing that you please back down with criticism so that their livelihood is not affected, then it becomes obvious this is not about truth or love or sincerity but simply about livelihood/money/bellies.

You suddenly become aware this is more dangerous than you'd thought. In these days of "demo-madness", these people could go as far as political Religious assassinations. Their forbears did it with Jesus, Stephen, Peter, Paul. And all for the sake of the tummy

Friends:

I assure you guys the fakes are still very much around. Its obvious "sales" are dropping for them but these people are ingenious and just 1000 paid by 25, 000 people at the new year show gave that "fake" a whole lot of cash. I'm sure they have many more plans like that

Their eyes continually rove to and fro and I actually wonder if its not them Jesus referred to as "seeking whom to devour". Progress is being made but, , ,

^^

Zikkyy:
Thats because oyaks does not need a dedicated thread oyaks is special guest in most threads here including the oyedepo thread oyaks is very special around here oh we don't joke with that name. i guess you are not regular feature here. Oyedepo comes a distant second (or third) in popularity here, [size=18pt]even joagbaje our reigning fraudster sorry poster of the year will beat oyedepo to second spot[/size]

More than easily sef!!

Jo for President (then Nigeria will know PDP are saints when it comes to money)!