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^^^ @dare2think:

You have NO stake in these matters except truth & reason.

Your opponent(s) hope/try to make money from this scam. They are lazy indolent loose legged xters (the females) and greedy wretches desperate to look big (the males).

So they will lie, manipulate and even use multiple IDs to confer the impression of a conversation with themselves. Your current foe will pretend not to understand to move you far away from the salient points you have made just so nobody sees them. Next will come the attempt to make you lose your calm at which point you'll be accused of not being a Christian since you lost your cool.

Don't waste your time. Say your piece and avoid talking with the lower scum.

Whist at the matter, Jesus (ON EARTH) did said he had no place to lay His Head - if that was the richest man alive, I wonder if Bill Gates is the poorest human today. Where they miss it is trying to claim they as "gods" have they same position as Jesus did - to buttress that, they needs must say He was rich on earth. Maybe our prayer for them (in fact, my prayer for them forthwith) is that since they say they are same as Jesus HERE, God should give them the wealth Jesus took upon Himself on earth and not a jot more. On other matters, just as Jesus personal righteousness was counted for Him, their OWN PERSONAL righteousness in day to day dealings should then stand for them before God in the hereafter - just as the Christ's own did!

Who was the pastor over the spiritual vagabond when he was faking miracles in secondary schools?

@dare2think: ^^

a thief always remains a thief except if God touches him. Some (like Judas) seem to have been created for damnation and as such, 30 pieces of silver always appeals to them more than truth and self-control.

For such people, fraudulence, greed, laziness, sloth and shallowness seem the path to profit, no matter how short lived, and so, like the dog that will get lost, they never hearken to the master's whistle.

Any lie is acceptable to them, as long as it has the prospect to bring cash to them

Where a man's treasure is, there his heart also is.

Interestingly, these people never get satisfied (like fire) so their search and greed is inevitably in vain. They keep hoping, striving, claiming, lying and at the end of it all, end up dissatisfied & frustrated.

Godliness with contentment, is in itself, great gain. Nuff said

@Earswide:

My point was and remains - he says above that I am a hypocrite. Why then did he feel this hypocrite needed an "appeal" from him (the sincere, anointed, god, mog, etc) so he wouldn't come under fire from Oyaks? Why wasn't the hypocrite pariah to him? Why seek out hypocrites?

Would Jesus have begged the Pharisees? How many of such "hypocrites" did Jesus go secretly to meet and beg?

We all know the pharisees tried to compromise Christ just as Pastor NL-liar tried to compromise some of us. Why? What was he afraid of? What inside "their special version" of the Gospel is so worth protecting that you, a pastor goes to a "supposed unbeliever" as he has named me, with an appeal? Is there some form of "profit" that is so difficult to give up that makes you "appeal" to me, that you have named a "devil"?

Who is he copying or who did the same - Jesus? Peter? Paul? Why would I deliberately and hugely insult you in such communication and you keep quiet there but when we just try to correct you here, why do you fight? Why are you trying to impress your CEC marketing team here but do not defend them in private?

I find only one word descriptive enough - HYPOCRITE! and so I am amazed the hypocrite can dare call anyone the same name! Is this what people call Christianity today? Pretence? Yet the fools supporting him here feel they have a "friend" in him?

Sad! Very very sad! And see, they've come together and are deliberately typing & discussing a lot of rubbish just so we go past this page and their shame is hidden before men! God means nothing to them! These are truly vipers, dead and desirous to kill everyone else.

^^ @dare2think:

Peace, be still. Let him respond first and then, we talk.

Maybe its time we removed the kid gloves

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Jo-boy:

You dare to call anyone a hypocrite? So I do NOT or cannot understand CEC but I can receive letters from you titled "MY APPEAL" that extended to over 10 emails from you, a fake lying supposed Christian? So I was not a hypocrite then but am one now cos this is open season and everyone can see THIS communication?

Outside NL, you send "appeal" letters to us asking mercy so your jeri'curled master doesn't kick you out on your bottom from where you make money but openly, you stand defiant and insult us in the belief that our honor will stand you in good stead and we will keep quiet?? You know you are depraved but ask honor from those you revile openly but beg quietly??

How dare you? How many people have you sent appeals to quietly without your Azibulua (Goodluck Jonathan's 1st cousin as you called her) and other crew knowing , that you think you have moral right to accuse anyone of hypocrisy for opposing your falsehood?

On NL, you've lied, cheated, manipulated, stood against God and Man all in a bid to fill that unending hellhole of a gullet that you have yet you can type the word "hypocrite"? You are a travesty in humanity, a disgrace even to the man you worship and you claim moral highground?

For your information, the reason why people "prove" you is because you boast. I do not so there is no pressure on me, You on the other hand, are boastful yet totally shallow, a liar, obviously a thief working for another thief and in another society, you would be hung (justifiably) from your scrawny chicken-like neck till dead.

You are proof that your "pastor" & Christ Embassy PLC is fake because we know he comes here and if he allows you as you are, he is obviously not better than you are.

Christians allow God see their works in secret and reward them as He wills. You do NOT and thus obviously, are NOT what you would like your followers to believe

If it is NOT your responsibility to cater for society (i.e. the poor), then why are you here advertising your good works? Applause, ehn? Do you know what infuriated Christ about the Pharisee who prayed openly praising himself? Its called hypocrisy, people of CEC to boast of your works before men!

What happened to the Biblical injunction that your left hand should not know what the right one does?

^^ Are you not being too critical?

Olaadegbu is using Biblical standards to judge and accepts his own fallibility so its not hypocrisy. The Bible states what is fine and what is not. I doubt if you'd want to call him false anyway. I too have before argued against him and we don't agree on everything.  But the stuff he uses only state his own feelings is why he uses them - not all of us are good at composition. As long as they pass his message, they are fine and teach a good message in a society where some are almost selling indulgences. They (not him) should face heat!

Bury the hatchet, please!

Thank you Zikky, for that post.

NOBODY runs down "GIVING". It is "tithing" as a LAW that we say is wrong under the dispensation of Grace. But to hide the vacuity of his position, pastor lies to make them seem to be the same thing.

THEY ARE NOT.

1. Giving is based on FREEWILL personal decisions and on the desire to help (an attribute of Love) someone else willingly out of your possessions
2. Tithing is based on manipulated scripture & meant to force people to open their wallets enriching today's institutionalized religious institutions.

Please allow him to exhaust his options - readers are not daft so they can see better and better as he "preaches" Satan's messages.

By the way, a personal decision to give a "tithe" of possessions is perfectly fine

^^ Big oily Liar - totally fitting representative of your jeri curled liar

[size=13pt]KEEP QUIET![/size] 

Elijah was taken up in the presence of another great prophet. The Bible says Enoch walked with God and God took him

1. How does God walk with the Spiritually dead? The Bible compares "Spiritual unto Spiritual"
2. Where did God take him to? Is it not to Himself? Does God then live in "death" or Hell OR did God too need to become "born again" like Jesus as you say?
3. Who took up Elijah? Is it not HEAVENS Chariots? Where do Heavens' Chariots come from?
4. Did they go and drop him inside Hell? Or maybe they hid him inside pastor Chris jeri-curls until the Cross

You people only prove more and more that you know NOTHING about God and this is only just business for you. Actually, you prove you know the truth but pride cannot allow you accept it so you keep looking for ways to delay truth hoping people will keep quiet and allow you continue. No wonder your greatest wish is that nobody rebukes you or points out your shallowness

Very nice analysis.Your user-name should be "truthmania"

Continue supporting yourselves!

What matters is that more and more people are coming to an understanding of your gimmicks and finding truth undiluted by your poison.

By the way, I NEVER brag. That belongs to you and your ilk. I am a small boy (nuclear the BOY as all of you call me). Like Jesus who had nowhere to lay His Head. Like the Apostle Peter. Like Paul. Its you that has the Ipads and Galaxy's etc. Which is all you're after

^ very simply (for those who were not on NairaLand then or didn't see the topics), I will summarize answers to your questions above

1. You cheated everyone on NairaLand when you voted for yourself to win religious poster of the year. You also cheated when you claimed you're a businessman enjoying special blessings because you pay tithe only for the truth to be revealed that you are actually a pastor who collects tithes which is why you lied to trick unknowing people into paying such tax-collectors as yourself,

2. We have seen you use the ID "mabell". We have also seen you confess you also use "Akhozem". That is aside of being Joagbaje. 3 IDs is "multiple".

3. It is false that you are a "god" except if you accept that the non-Christian judges psalms referred to are your equals. It is false that specific "christians" are more highly placed than other christians. It is false that Jesus died to make you have money. It is false to sell tithes as compulsory and binding when in Israel today, no salary earner pays tithes since it was meant for produce of the land. It is false to make the Gospel of Christ an avenue for self-enrichment. It is false to say that once you say Jesus is Lord, you are no longer sinning even when you sin. If you want more, let me know.

4. Low intellect is bothering you, How does a human's organs (heart/kidney/lungs/skin/brain/arteries etc) function WITHOUT blood? That was your story - she bled to death, then you raised her, then she stayed alive without blood until they took her to the hospital where they now put blood inside her. Can you hear the laughter? Your master satan is laughing- happy at how you are trying to ridicule Christ.

I am not like you that has to tell everyone about his Prado Jeep and his IPad so I see no reason to blow my trumpet. According to the Christ I serve and whom you claim to know, my left hand should not know what my right hand does yet here you are, Pastor IPad of the Celestial Chris Hordes, asking what I do! Of such as you did Jesus say - you serve with mouth but your heart is far.

Why not go watch "Pilgrims Progress" on your famous Ipad so you can see another perspective to what you turned into a lie - a righteous man's service, love, perseverance and truth.

OLAADEGBU:
[size=18pt]Were Enoch and Elijah saved?[/size]

Good question - how did these get to heaven when Jesus had not yet been sacrificed?

Jo has said NOTHING! Why una dey stress Pastor over ordinary IPad?

Me, I watched it on my digital 25,000 FOOT world size 8th generation plasma screen inside my 300 bedroom mansion - the small one O, not the big one in new york where I hang out with Obama and where Bin laden used to come greet me every morning before a bullet found him.

"Giving" (not tithing) is the principle that over-rides dispensation.

Do NOT put tithing, seed sowing and giving together - one is based on "law"and "inducible compulsion" while the others are based on "love" and "freedom". That is the difference.

And where does the minister pay tithe from? Start from when he started, not "now" that he can say books etc and try remember his lifestyle

^^ REALLY!?

"an one"?? "caste out"?? And so forth! Why?

Why are you foaming in the mouth so much that your goatee is soaked with sputum and leaking onto your keypad? Just to support a lie beaten into you that you need to force yourself to hold on to?

How can you even read what you write without cringing afore we talk of composing it? Really sad for you - all those whippings in "ile kewu" must have damaged something.

Anyways, the point is go away - us here have found the truth! Problem is that some are trying to distort it to their private gain. In effect, all here have gone past your stage and KNOW the truth.

Eff off! And you could spend some time with a psychologist - you need the help for the trauma. Plus some laughter - check out "Achmed the dead terrorist" on Youtube for free enlightened laughs

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Doggie & Partner:

if you say I'm a demon, twould mean you definitely have NO connection to God cos I'd know, wouldn't I? We do know demons recognise true Christians and I recognise you as FAKES - even faker than "simon magni".

Now, if I am not one but a child of God, then your case(s) are even worse ->  like your fathers who killed the prophets, you too would then be turning truth upon its head and saying Christ is beelzebub.

Only other option would be that I am an onlooker - amusing - for then, I'd say you and your master are the worst advertisement Christ could have. From lying to cult-like behaviors to prostitution to theft, fraud, greed to exploitation and manipulation of the poor for whom the Gospel was revealed to your own dirty lives as exemplified by your NL head honcho - the fraudulent, multiple ID using, self voting, lying pastor who sees The Name of Christ as a means to personal enrichment and glory. Who with any brains here takes any of you serious after his scams and lies have been over and over revealed?

So which is it? Am I a demon who doesn't know you cos you're nobodies? Or the one you wish most against - a child rebuking you dogs? Or an onlooker unimpressed by your filth and scams?

@Earswide:

Seriously speaking, I think you're making this dude(s) out to seem important to you. While I know that is not the true picture, they will try to milk it by making you seem jealous or obsessed. Please just face the trash they say and disprove it.

DO NOT FORGET - it might be again the same person posting as yet another ID. Its his stock in trade to be a deceiver as we have all seen in the past. Many of those user-names were created to support deceit.

Which is why the "new" guy says you'll pay to be where your heart is FORGETTING you'll keep your heart where your treasure is. Where then is the treasure of the jeri curled dude?

^^ Dude:

Lets be sincere - this is a serious conversation and NO CHRISTIAN believes that your "prophet" (I cringe to even call him such) is a Prophet. All this dancing around means nothing. Please go to your section. Staying here will only make people eventually talk about Mo and that can result in another pogrom or slaughter of innocent people so please spare us the rhetoric (and the blood). If your religion is what you make it out to be, you wouldn't need Christianity and Christ to prop it up. Go find out how Mo visited the Temple hundreds of years after it was destroyed and then, we'll bring out the heavy artillery[size=3pt] (like 9 year olds)[/size].

In the sub-section your people asked for, call him whatever you want but here, please do not compare him even to Jo - cos even Jo may "even" be better in our estimation.

^^^

Point of correction - its "chrislet" or "Jolet" (reminds me of another "J" woman in the OT) and not anything affiliated to God. "Jesus I know, Zikky I know but who are you" comes to mind here (If I was a demon) cos definitely, there's NO connection to the True God aside gist.

^^

That they stand on altars does not make them men of God. Baal had prophets. Pharaoh had his too. And most definitely, the Mammon God has quite a number belonging to him.

Standing in a garage cannot make you a Mercedes. - Go figure

Men of God are those who live according to His rules and in a walk of Love and Truth, not signboards to personality cults.

Joel Osteen is not on NL - true - but even in you, we've seen the effect of his doctrine and lifestyle. So lets leave him and return to our own pastor here who is justifying others whist himself remains a particularly dirty toilet.

[1] Cheating
[2] Using multiple IDs
[3] Marketing a false gospel
[4] Outright blatant lies - e.g. raising someone without blood and keeping her alive till they found blood for her organs to start working again
[5] Having a particularly daft set of people as support. Do you test them for IQ and choose the lowest scorers? And why do they keep on the shadows like trained dogs until they see that you've as usual being trounced only to jump in and cause confusion. Above shows Olaadegbu has like every other person who faces you, trounced you. Why is it only then they show up? Or are they subsets of Joagbaje (like akhozem)?

So rather than support others who truly "MAY" have repented, why not remove the forest in your eyes and dirt in your life and REPENT?

Could you please check this for me - 1FTPW14595KC36893. Thank you

^^^ Okada-man:

You & your spare-parts brother from the same father (oyaks AKA junior tb joshua AKA vanity) can keep deluding yourselves laughing - it shows the holes in your head. Soon all will be made open to all and you will slink away like your father satan has always done. You only keep showing that your only purpose is support for the head of your team here and that you have no mind or personal thought process. So I'm not much bothered by your asinine outburst - low intellect will always manifest.

@Ndipe:

Thank you for your observation. They earn salaries from the fraud they sell and thus dare not counter such at risk of going hungry. The okada driver is especially bad - lazy, myopic, perverted people who think Religion is a means to personal wealth.

@OP:

I hope your truthful words won't be used to change what they collect now (10% + X) to 20% + X. I won't be surprised to hear "every seventh year requires a 20% tithe" on TBN soon if they read this.

@inedi:

God sees your heart and that you give and He blesses that. Not because you are following a Biblical precept but because of the reason from your heart.

If you really wish to know the truth, tell Him in prayer to justify tithes or condemn them when next you pay by showing pleasure at the "legality" or showing displeasure. Before you do so though, buy plenty Gari!

^^

Submission to Christ, not to a vain bleached hair-dresser swivel-hipped fraudster
Trust in God, not endless bleating about "dominion" whist manipulating the poor to eat
A life of discipline, not noisy lies and postulations whist indulging in wanton sin

Meanwhile, Azi-baby and mab-cobra are goodluck's cousins according to "pastor" Jo - what of you? I'm sure you are Clifford Orji's twin

Joagbaje:
Because Satan still had the power of death.

Jesus was the first person to come out of spiritual death. He had to identify with man in man's spiritual state. He became sin. Which is spiritual death and separation from God.

After this incidence paradise was moved to heaven. When a christian dies now ,he goes to heaven.

There's a number of[size=13pt] lies[/size] above

[1] Satan still had the power of death ?? ?? ?? Well, according to Jesus, satan had lost - "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning! ,  "I saw Satan fall like a lightning-flash out of Heaven," Luke 10:18 -- Jesus was still HERE when that happened. Or was He lying?

[2] Jesus died physically. He NEVER died Spiritually. Spirits (even sinful ones) DO NOT DIE! And Jesus did not die Spiritually which is why the Bible says - "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, ,  ascension back to heaven, not only did He overcome sin, He took it captive" Eph 4:8. He remained FULLY "Lord" even in death and thus conquered in the lower realms. All men die but none was able to conquer death because they were dead DEAD!! But Jesus conquered because He was "dead" ALIVE. Or could dead people conquer?

[3] Jesus took Sin upon Himself - He did NOT become Sin!

[4] When was paradise "moved" to heaven. Heaven is for the Justified. When did "justification" take place without judgment or did judgment take place yet without the whole world knowing aside of you?

[5] Where is the source of your information that anyone now goes direct to heaven?

Lies, false doctrines, demonic-ally inspired words

And if you don't want serious trouble, face the topic and points above (OR avoid them since you have nothing to say). But no insults or self-righteousness plus tell that bingo okada-man to keep off.

^^ you just described Jo and his master perfectly.

Please how much would clear a 2005 ford f150 4 by 4?