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@Jo:

You are the one always screaming give money, get power, have dominion, prado jeep here. Your pastor chris has oft introduced money into his teachings simply by saying things like "A giver is a "getter"'. Anyone sitting who hears that will of course give because they wish to "get". That is the insidiousness of your false gospel - it utilizes forms which men emphatise with and makes slaves of them

Then you say there is a difference in "men of God". So let me ask you - arrange the following in order of seniority today - Myself, yourself, Kumuyi, Bakare, Adeboye, Oyakilome, Mrs Idahosa and Taiwo Odukoya.

What inheritance exactly are you speaking of here? Is it physical or spiritual? Is it of this world or another?

Kunle or no Kunle, face the matter. Na lie?

No need for prayer or communication with God.

No need for work

Labor is NOT right

Condemnation therefore, of all the saints that collections were taken up for in the Bible.

Condemnation therefore, of the Apostles of Christ Himself who suffered poverty and lack till they left this world

Love of Money (I thought that was the root of evil) accompanied by a refusal to acquire it by Labor (no wonder Churches are springing up yet crime increases and poverty worsens)

THIS "Gospel" above is definitely bad news. Its NOT the Gospel of Christ Jesus

@Joagbaje:

Its VERY sad you wrote all the above (not just your last post) and it only shows the depth of your knowledge and sincerity. In your last post, you see God's calling as a business. "Start a Church"! And for you, its as simple as that.

But what if I've been called to help the poor financially? Or the youth (based on experiences as a youth earlier, myself)? Or as a marriage counsellor? Or etc etc? Have you ever considered that a Christian who opens an orphanage and dedicates their life to helping children they otherwise have no relationship with, is a man of God? Did you ever realise that someone who goes into the street to claim back youths from a life of easy virtue, drugs and crime is a man of God? Did you ever read the beatitudes? Please show me the one related to your "pastors" amongst them or are those "men of satan"?

For you, its just church, bring tithes, have dominion and that is why only pastors are men of God to you. So let me ask you - if God sends you to 20 people and you bring 19 to Him and God sends oyaks to 10,000 and EVENTUALLY, he brings 200 (to Heaven, not to moneeeeey), who is the greater man of God? Let me give you a hint - widows mite! Remember I asked for the "greater", not if both were, cos your style is to answer unasked questions!

The truth is all have their functions and God has explained that succintly using the allegory of Christ being Head and the Church being "body". No part of your body is more important and each have their place? The fact that oyaks is (to you) a hand that everyone sees, does not make him more important than someone who could be the lifeblood (heart - prayer etc) or thigh muscle. But for you, the hand is supreme and is the APOSTLE so the rest of the body cannot talk even when it decides to go into fire. Fie!

What you rather should remember is the directive to remove your eye if it will lead you to perdition which is what Kunle is doing here to your oyaks. Rather than allow him lead others to perdition, it is preferable to remove him. That is God's Word!

The same allegory above shows why you have a problem. Would you take the life-force from your kidney and give it to your hand? Thats why Kunle says "christianity for profit" is wrong. And he is right!

Be honest for once and forget moneeeey.

God's way always has been rebuke and your attempts to put a few on a pedestal is only unfortunate in its falsity. Admonitions are given to love others as ourselves and to be warned against false prophets. If then I know something is wrong and I keep quiet watching my neighbor fall into it, am I showing that love?

On the watching world, people know not all of us are thieves, criminals riding on the backs of poor innocent people when they see us speak out against rubbish. All the true prophets of God had the same as we have with you from the establishment of their days who profited from the tears of others and didn't want to lose such.

But whether we speak or not, judgment is coming

^^ Basically then, Jesus was wrong to have entered the Temple with a whip & Paul was wrong rebuking Peter.

More importantly, anyone saying anything against cheating, lies and avarice in the house of God is wrong, ehn?

Joagbaje:
This should be clear enough for a Christian . I think the problem is spiritual blindness. If a person hasn't received the holy spirit , he can't understand spiritual things.

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know[ them], because they are spiritually discerned.

@zikky
Why don't you just humble yourself and do a study on the holy spirit. He makes a man excel beyond natural abilities .
Supernaturan knowledge, supernatural strength, supernatural wealth.( MONEEEEY)! . Supernatural wisdom etc. Read about men of old.

Psalms 18:29-34
29 For by thee I have run through a troop; and by my God have I leaped over a wall. .

33 He maketh my feet like hinds'[ feet], and setteth me upon my high places.

34 He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.

Psalms 119:98-100
98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they[ are] ever with me.

99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies[ are] my meditation.

100 I understand more than the ancients( old men) because I keep thy precepts.


The strength of Samson was by the holyspirit, he was not a macho man or a giant as portrayed in some children bible. Without the holyspirit , you are a natural human being.

Thats the bottom line, abi?

So why didn't you just spare us all the hullabaloo above and go straight to the point. You start to seem desperate. Why not just launch an appeal fund towards whatever your desire is for now

@DS:

All respectfully require and plead that you make known the name of this fictitious ministry (as is being bandied about now).

Please what tonnage is it and what engine power i.e. is it 300 or 360 or"Bleep" HP? Where can it be inspected?

This is great. I thought you were advocate for the prosperity people.

Now you know what it is like.

Consider how a true Christian's sensibilities are affected by these you support if you are offended. How I wish the jaguda held you down and collected ransom for you

Thanks - you know my number!

Sorry, I must have missed that suggestion. Do you have an address/number for them? Or any means of getting such?

@Posters:

Does the same apply to 20005 and 2006 Pathfinders (have both) or they have different maint process(es)?

Kunle: when is that atf you promised coming?

@Jo:

You accuse others of what your master is guilty of. If he is innocent of being a vagabond, so are we. Each of us started out someplace before getting to where we are now under Christ alone, the author of our faiths - just like your chris. If we then are guilty, so is he! Your attempt to make it seem different is "duplicity".

Lies is your evasion of questions - a defense mechanism called "aggression". You rant about a small point evading the things that embarrass you.

I have ONE Priest, ONE Pastor, ONE Master, ONE Father and am not ashamed of Him - Christ. And that is scriptural. My trust in Him provides me with the sustenance I need to fill my needs; your distrust of Jesus makes you follow your fellow man. One question - can you tell us one thing chris did EVER that you critiqued? That will tell you that for you, "let God be true and everyman a liar" is wrong.

The decaying teeth you display do not befit you - you ought be in tears.

Jo:

Your posturing and evasions here are comical and fool nobody. As usual, God has exposed your lies and duplicity by means of your own words.

Your bids to appear spiritual and true always reveal you to be quite the opposite - carnal and a fake who despises truth in favor of his belly. You could try to be sincere for once and see how God always raises the side of truth.

Anyway, say hi to the confirmed "rebellious spiritual vagabond" chris when next you go to his head-quarters.

@Joagbaje:

You didn't answer the question - what church did the Eunuch belong to? Not where did he go to?

Anyways, lets get down to brass tacks - you asked if we considered maybe we were wrong. I did/do quite often.


Everyone starts off respecting others (by default). That is how we are built - children smile (at first). Our experiences over time (which are peculiar to each individual and are based on age, environment, education, study, social and economic factors) develop us into what we become.

Lets look at your "pastor chris" from my own point of view which is simply deductive. I know one of your pastors very very well - proud, over-bearing and totally into money. I hear (of course he refuses to discuss it) that he has children from other women (note the plurality) and his speech with those of us he's comfortable with betrays the high likelihood of this being fact since he believes anything he does is holy and must not be assessed. His favorite words to EVERYONE are "I have so much to teach you". What Pride!

I have had staff who are your members and I have alluded to this before. It got to a point where I had to send the female one away because it was men, noise about chris and hopes of hitting it big. She could be picked by 4 men within one week and I heard rumor of a few abortions when she found reasons to avoid work due to "illness". I remember her telling ME that a chap raped her in his bedroom. I asked what she went in there for and she said to talk. Yeah right! Listening to her was exactly like listening to my pastor friend and is exactly like listening to you. Money, control, licentiousness, self-justification etc. Worst was her choir people kept coming and I kid you not - at least a half dozen of them threw themselves at me. First I am likely at least a decade and half older than all these girls, plus am married. I know 2 of my staff rubbished a couple of them. It was so dirty it was demeaning to watch.

You people believe its not your "nature" even when you revel in dirt. Another issue is the penchant to boast - "I am covered, wonderful, divine, blessed, expanding" yet privately be suffering financially, mentally, emotionally. But stating truth is not "Behind". Its not "edifying" nor does it show "faith" so a pauper screams online that he's blessed and wow, etc. Then you meet him and he's one of these guys that can climb aboard an okada doing 60km/h without it slowing down with the one tie he wears and the mounting debts in his life. I remember one who was on this same forum screaming about his prosperity yet was posting pleas for jobs even to the point of asking "50k", "20k", "anything" as remuneration. Aletheia described his posts as "desperation", if I remember! Then we're inudated with your agabas, your own bank people, etc. Redeemed is maybe 50 times your size and has a tenth your excesses.

Your scriptural knowledge is manipulative and otherwise shallow; geared towards only income and ensuring the "man of God" is revered, blameless and above reproach. You, I believe know the truth but you get "funds" from this thing so you're turning a blind eye. Is that good fruit from him? Your support is not for christ but for him. Then there's the healing school shams, blind people who were never blind, thousands of miracles but not a one of them verifiable etc. Its endless and embarrassing.

So its not about oratory ability or a cream suit. It is the bitter fruit your supposed pastor is bringing forth!

If the above were oranges, would they be sweet or bitter? I haven't spoken about the idea that winning souls for you is getting more people to come to CE rather than their lives changing.

Adolf Hitlers service uniform was more compelling than your suits and he'd have used chris to wipe the floor when it came to oratory - was he a man of God too?

Its about fruit, not words. His sermons on TBN are quite interesting but the show put on to deliever them is sickening - they show a man seeking adulation, respect and a status amongst men. He pampers, preens, makes you feel good. Tell us ONE prophet in the Bible who's way was not "rebuke" and "insult"? Which of the Apostles were self-serving? Even Jesus Himself didn't seek superstar status. Watch your chris on TV and PLEASE mute the volume - you'll know its staged entertainment. But even forget the entertainment part - think of the effect on the lives of people. You, Joagbaje, are personally are tied down to him - is that the freedom Christ promised? to be bound to someone and forced to defend error?

But lets start here - answer (not evade) Enigma's question above AND then SirJohns which is [1] are you saying the devourer has been rebuked for your sake and thus loss, disaster etc do not come to you? [2] What then is the gain of tithing you have that he lacks?

SirJohn:
And what makes you think that because some eloquent dude puts on cream suite he qualifies as a minister of Christ??

Which is exactly the point!

@Jo:

As usual, you've totally missed the point. The point is that chris is NOT a "dignitary", "dominant factor FOR God" or a servant of God.

When YOU spoke against such as the Apostle James, THEN you were despising government, you were not being afraid to speak evil of dignitaries (because that was a true Apostle and servant of God) etc etc etc.

The fruits your chris is showing state clearer than words that he is an apostate and a fake. So he is fair game. Which of us have you ever seen talk the rubbish you spouted concerning Peter and James? Those were the people you were not supposed to offend.

With chris, you ought not just to rebuke him but to also tie him up and take a horse-whip to his backside till he bleeds.

@Genetic Garbage:

Your home govt may have failed in your estimation. Such as you brought it upon her with your mentality. But I have not failed and still offer you that job I mentioned earlier.

The US govt may be your successful paradise contrary to world view. Whichever it is, you remain a failure even there.

It may interest you that people succeed in spite of circumstances rather than because of them - come to Nigeria and you'll commit suicide seeing what we do here. For us, making false claims to collect social security (yep - us dollars) is not success. And neither are other scams

@Uyi:

The VAST difference in grammar and intelligence is really amusing. University professor versus area-boy. The guy no know him mate

And what if Siyanda is acquainted with you? What are you carrying on your head? A Halo? So what are you coming here to say? - some people are young, the man serves another master, you won't tell your church so its not critiqued, etc - arrant nonsense mixed with delusions of grandeur. Tell us then -

Why did Paul critique Peter? Was Peter his servant?
Who here says they are perfect aside that foolish animal that believes not in God?
You call chris and your pastor joshua "men of God". Man of what are you? sand? or stone ?
Your school was profit making - is your church a business?

Why can't you people just slink away in shame and hide instead of proving your stupidity by hook or crook?

@Uyi Iredia:

Haba Toba:

Rhino did respond. He said he wanted to purchase, not rent & then you disappeared.

@Jesoul: my head weighs 40 kilos more

Well, thats a "gift" that has put me on the side of rebellion most my life. I can tell stories of apoplectic rage and mindless laughter. Truth be told, most of us take ourselves too seriously which is why external perception mean so much to us. I think it is the thing that ought be called herd instinct in Man.

Why, if truly mature and successful, should what someone else thinks of me, change the price of fish in my head? But its so for most and thus, they can be controlled and/or motivated as desired. Simply a case of "pawn to K4".

Hope I didn't just become a sibling of satan in your estimation!

Ok DS, I'll be STILL.

Goat:

HUMOR? Are you kidding me? Who's attempting humor with a self-confessed animal? What would be the point of such an attempt?

BTW Mud, I see you found more "slangs" on the web - mehn, sharrap, azz etc! Why don't you cybercafe jobmen kids go to proper schools and get an education, a proper vocabulary and a life? You sound like a motor-park tout who found his way to the USA riding in an airplanes tire, sneaked in later with brain damage, lives in an alley, sells drugs and body favors for cash to smoke cheap stuff and thinks he's goind someplace. Yes you are - to oblivion.

Anyways, you'll soon exhaust the few hundred dollars you got from your last scam and we'll have peace when you can't afford the web time anymore. So enjoy yourself while you can pay. Remind me to let you know who you remind me of some day. You'll love the story (if your brain can process that much information).

I won't notice you again (for awhile)

Nope, no contradiction there now you explain your stand.

Would it make sense if I said that most times, the rebuke is found BECAUSE of the insult?

^^ Ah, but you thus limit "oneness of infinity" since math and number systems are relatively narrow fields when you consider the like of "logic".

@Jesoul: Dear,

This one time, I disagree with you. Phrases like "You white washed sepulchres" and "evil generation of vipers" hardly seem like an example that suggests quiet.

I'm all for peace and the soppy stuff but some people need a caning. Some even needed a beheading in the old covenant [size=4pt](atimes I wish we were still there though I wager I'd be headless now myself). [/size]

God's way ALWAYS has been rebuke and you'll find many backing down when they see you have teeth and are ready to use them. The seeming word on the street is that being a believer requires a head filled with 50/50 doses of stupidity and cowering. That is not true and so, wit and suitable Jesus mimicking of the sort above does a bit of good. That, is this rude "boys" opinion.

"smh" seems to have become some kind of slang believed to confer the user with hypeness. But truth is, hype is inside you - you either have it or you don't.

To the hype have-it-not who calls his betters "deluded goats" and then talks to 'goats', the joke is on you - what does trying to converse with a goat make you if not the billy GOAT? You've confirmed your status - and only us can confirm what we are which is definitely not what you are

@toba: Nlbomb@gmail.com for personal stuff

^^

Surely you meant "creative/logical" rather than mathematical

babylon the great also ascribed great things to itself.

And what's this? - a flatulent piece of genetic garbage more affiliated to orang-outangs is trying to join a conversation between humans? I guess since we refused to go to the zoo, the zoo has decided to come calling. Zoos are always good for entertainment though sadly, not much can be learned from animals.

@SirJohn:

Nlbomb@gmail.com

@donnie:.

"In her heart, she boasts, I sit as queen; I am not a widow and I will never mourn.
Therefore in one day her plaques will overtake her: death' mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her"

Revelation 18: 7b & 8