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^^ True talk,

@SirJohn: pls, you'd be completing the great job of exposure you're doing here by letting that become public.

This saga shows truly Judgement is fast catching up with the "chris club"

Mr example, go ahead and do your mocking then. btw, "do unto etc" is a funny mantra coming from you. Plus maybe you ought consider pedigree b4 comparisions - alex and yommy are not nuclearboy. And neither are you.

@Rhino:

Wetin na? Why are you bothered over someone else's headache? If you applied your mind, you'd realise I was teasing Jo-boy. But you prefer to come make it look like death is visiting somebody here and you're voltron defending the innocent world from wicked people.

Take a chill pill, guy and allow us smile.

@Kunle:

Why should Jo know anything about the Scriptures or about IT? Only Christians need the Scriptures and only educated people need IT knowledge. He is not a christian and is not educated so wetin concern agbero with overload?

All the knowledge he needs is tithe, special offering, prophetic gifts and greed specialities. Please allow Jo his space

@Jo:

Who told you chris is a man of God?

[1] God
[2] Himself
[3] Your brain
[4] Noise and his "aura" (tv, effects, etc)
[5] His fruits

Who told you you are not greater?

[1] God
[2] Yourself
[3] Your brain
[4] Noise and your "aura" OR lack of such (tv, effects, etc)
[5] Your fruits

Who told you Siyanda is not a greater "person" of God?

[1] God
[2] Him or Her self
[3] Your brain
[4] Noise and his/her "aura" OR lack of such (tv, effects, etc)
[5] His/Her fruits

Think carefully before you answer for your answer will show the real truth about the three of you!

While thinking of the inevitable, you can tell the fake to go sit down naked on a broad-sword. Sideways!

@Vesc:

I wrote the above in good faith and not with tongue in cheek. It was light hearted and meant to strike at the idea that believers had to "shed" their thinking faculties to become so.

@MyJoe:

I wasn't thinking in terms of academic intelligence. In my thinking, its more of "problem solving". I spoke of such and any situations that would warrant [1] sifting through possibly large volumes of information [2] extracting the needed/required [3] using it in as precise a manner as possible [4] communicating same "extracted" to others as painlessly as possible(if needed) [5] retaining enough of the "discarded" information to use it later [6] multi-tasking even during this above process [7] being as fast as possible about it.

Basically then, I'm looking at a person with the capability to apply mind to building multiple algorithms, run through each simulteanously and still have mental backup to retain clarity of mind as an intelligent person. Speed in these would definitely signify superior mental capability.

And I think it is inborn. Some people just learn faster and can apply themselves to more! I see any supposed growth/increase as tied to environment and situation and thus, not real.

EDITED: - BTW, I do not believe warped usage of information is "intelligent" e.g. used to win arguments, cheat or use someone etc. The distinction may not be easily clear but that would be "cunning" and immature/greedy/both/more. Such usually shows eventually as stupidity of one sort or the other

^^ Wow. Thanks but sincerely, SINCERELY, I didn't expect a believer in Jesus could be seen as intelligent in your estimation.

Maybe then, the Jesus factor is what lowers us in your reasoning.

mazaje:
Religious faith is belief in things that aren't based on fact. . . . .

Atheist Faith is belief in things that aren't based on facts but that "evolving" science believes today. However, scientific "facts" change daily

tell us then, fake pastor - if a jew accepts Christ today, is he any less than a gentile ? Your understanding is so poor it stinks.

Yet here's the dunce that'll say 'the letter killeth'.

@Jo:

How you can find your own stupidity amusing is past me. The Bible tells us ALL the apostles preached the gospel to the entire world - Peter's speech at pentecost converted 3,000 from different nations and tongues. Was it your 'foundational' paul that converted the Ethiopian? When Christ sent out to all the nations, tongues and peoples, was He speaking to Paul?

What exactly is your mental state that ensures you see everything upside down? Is your spirit that depraved?

Where do you get the concept of ONE foundational apostle if not in fantasies that have you twisting God's Word. And you then display deranged brown teeth saying you won't let who go? Me? In your fantasies! For we read and the Spirit shows us ALL the Apostles disseminated truth to the nations even before Paul became a believer.

The conclusion - you are a fake that doesn't even know truth when it strikes you in the gonads.

according to the Apostle Paul, what would be his profit not having a hope in Heaven after his poverty here. He over and over alluded to looking forward to the afterlife. Contrary to that hope (of heaven rather than earth), we see you ALWAYS making noise about dominion HERE. Your hopes are for here.

You have poor scriptural knowledge - how many Apostles can you find in Scripture? Name 4 aside Paul that were not married

How does the poor give to God? By filling your own coffers with gold whist you claim to spread a gospel? How many cars does chris have? Where are his children schooling? Who makes his suits? What semblance does his or even your lifestyle have with the poor people giving to chris? Can you show from scripture where Christ or His apostles favored one person over another because he gave 100 a d the other gave 5? I can show Christ favoring a woman who gave little because of the spirit behind her giving rather than your volume considerations.

Who are you fooling? Better get to know Christ

Where does God & the Bible feature in this cash based' earthly reward ministry? What my Bible says is that a Christian's reward is in Heaven. Where does CE get earthly reward? Why conform to the world if not that you have no portion in Christ?

Why not follow the example of the Apostles if you believe what they believe? again, what is the basis of your alternative gospel where the poor give to the rich

Obviously, you're a member of satans congregation is why you revere him so much but you and your woli momoh missed it - only God is able to be everywhere at the same time.

Which only goes to show the source of your book of ali-baba & the 40 thieves. Since Satan was living in his nose, he must have been breathing satan, eating satan, listening to satan (doctors will tell you about ENT showing how easy it is to cross from ear to nose to throat) and getting his revelations from satan. Funnily, the man confessed it himself that  satan was the one speaking to him.

I just wonder how smelly satan must have been anytime he escaped out and how many times he bathed daily cos of the smell from Mo's nose. Jogging 36 miles, smelling like a randy arabs nose, joining him in pillaging and despoiling babies and women whose husbands he made mo kill plus pissing in his ears. And lets not forget using sand to wash sweat - which of them stank more? no wonder you have time to post rubbish here non-stop - you probably smell so much that going out from your mai-guard work embarrasses you.

Whatever, their collaboration really messed up the world. Plus now we know why you people are so smelly

Intelligence - get information and process it to a useful end AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

I think "processing speed" is what makes the difference.

Dude' you take all these crap too seriously. Better lighten up a bit. How you can read that satan sleeps inside your nose and believe it amazes me - are there 6 billion satans or was it only muhammads nose that satan found a thick soft mattress?

Get a life please and stop worsening the issue - you ought to be happy it was dying down yet here you are waking up an embarrassment

Some see it as mostly "wikipedia" and "belligerence" intelligence, again mostly based on a desire to seem hype.

Siyanda's stuff is true & very well put together, if you ask me.

@Vesc:

I'm sure you wouldn't consider Enigma a literal infant so you shouldn't consider DeepSight as wise and intellectual LITERALLY. I think the context shows its about "confident self-assurance based on a thought process that self-glorifies yet is lacking in THE something the author saw as being most important"

Deep Sight:
Okay then. . .Curtains closed!

Seconded and praises to God for those 4 words.

I take that to mean you will sit quietly, weeping/suffering on the inside for us poor deluded worshippers of a non-virgin's Son, right? Or conversely, arrogantly look at our conversations, shake your head and allow us further delude ourselves peaceably, ehn?

Please remember our delusions inform us to be fair, honest, straight-forward, charitable, not mercenary and above all to express love. Thus, these delusions remain harmless, infact beneficial and not to be scorned or condemned. You will allow us this peace forthwith ehn? Or do these also fall under your hammer as being against your studies and plans?

The Isa 7:14 debate has been on since Christ walked the earth. The Bible itself bears witness to the Jews not wanting to accept His claim when He read Isa 61 and ascribed it to Himself. Why any human would then today ask that Jewish authorities be taken seriously over what they themselves show themselves to be biased over amazes me.

What would anyone expect a Jewish opponent of Christ to say? These are people that He stood toe to toe with even here because they had their own conception what the Messiah ought to be (based on their desires) and thus rejected Him. Elementary scholarship even states they sent Him to the cross in hopes that He'd call upon the power He used for His miracles to oppose the Romans. That was their desire anyway, for an earthly sensual messiah who'd make them masters of earth.

What is instructive is that Jews accepted Isa 7:14 to refer to a virgin birth until the fulfillment came and put their religion and way of life at risk. So todays Jews are only acting a script. No Christian will take a Jews perspective as being a serious or honest one if only based on this.

Enigma has stated something which I also subscribe to. DeepSight says He has PROVED IT. He says he is STAGGERINGLY right, EMPHATICALLY cleared the air. So whats the noise about? Why argue what is proved staggeringly? Or sit on air? What gain is there in such since it is EMPHATICALLY INELUCTABLE?

Is there some doubt in your "ineluctable" mind? OR fear that your monumental scholarship may be based on a lie? If not, you've solved it for yourself and 2+2 = your answer! QED. So there's no point to this "conversation". Luckily too, the gallery you play to has showed up to applaud your staggering gait.

[size=5pt]clapping, fades out! final word - no work done as usual![/size]

Deep Sight:
Hi pls note that the sign and prophecy is not just pregnancy but the facts regarding the king of assyria as applicable to that child. So its not i.dio.tic.

You said nothing on the many other significant points raised which make it clear it was a sign to be given during Ahaz's lifetime?

Well. Do note in that case you are as obstinate as u accuse me of being.

Obstinacy? What would you like I say? Or I ought keel over and bark in glee? I'm not the one seeking second-hand points to throw, am I?

One question you may want to ask yourself is this - WHAT CAN ANY HUMAN SAY THAT WILL HAVE IMPACT ON THE END YOU DECIDED BEFORE WE STARTED? I suspect the answer will tell you why nobody wants to continue - this is going nowhere and baiting people will result only in a fight. Not wanting such, why don't we simply allow you the stage and find truly profitable enterprise?

You've made up your mind and settling this specific issue will only result in you searching the web for something else to say. You've evidenced that too brazenly.

Say hi to the good Rabbi Singer.

@DeepSight:

What I say is what I sincerely honestly believe. You believe we are deliberately trying to make Christ what he is not! Fine, AND we believe you are displaying a spirit that has manifested over the course of the ages in many forms - that of the anti-christ! Why is that not fine with you? What is the purpose of this conversation for you? To upturn everything that has been said, believed and taught about christianity. What is that if not anti-Christ?

You believe in a cold impersonal God who made things and allows you do your thing, recycling people over and over. What tyoe of God do you think a devil would wish anyone to believe in? Is it a Father to some who is an enemy to some who is an avenger and a leveller cum justifying force in circumstances OR a cold impersonal force not bothered with you (thus encouraging that you do as you wish in the belief that once you can self-justify, you're right?)?

I'm done arguing over a non-issue which will make no difference to you anyway. Upside of it is, it makes no difference to me too. Since you believe Isaiah's son was "Immanuel", I have no reason to argue with you. The Jews who argue against Jesus have a good friend in your further dissemination of their folly. "the almah is pregnant" is significantly idiotic on their part and kicks them in the teeth - if she was pregnant, why did God again "prophesy" that to Isaiah concerning his wife and what would be a sign in a young woman being pregnant. Dumb! Like our MOGs here, they defend their religion.

Do me a favor and don't bait me with "staggering silence" etc. The only staggering issue here is the difference between our views.

Deep Sight:
THIS IS EMPHATIC PROOF! ! ! !

Need I say more? Is the context of this prophecy not glaring? In spite of the foregoing, how can you apply it to Christ?

This makes it staggeringly clear that Christ is not the one referred to here, surely?

It does not help if all that you do in the face of glaring evidence from the scriptures is to say  - "I am quite happy to leave you to that thought."

That simply gives the impression that there is nothing you can advance in rebuttal of the clear scripture, and therefore seek cover in silence.

I think it is more than emphatically sealed that the prophecy was given to King Ahaz and for a specific time and specific events - which cannot be related to the time of Christ.

@DeepSight:

You perfectly embody the scripture that describes Christ's encounter with Satan after He prayed - its like "let me try this, no, it doesn't work. I'll try another. no way" etc.

Rabbi Singer didn't work even with your squatting on verse 20 so you go away for a season (?) and come back with this. But why did you stop at Chapter 8? Why didn't you continue till Isa 9:7 which continues the entire story of the prophecy and after your fulfillment continues the prophecy describing again Messiah.

The "young woman's" son would be named "Immanuel". Was that Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz?

One young child would eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject wrong and choose right. Before the OTHER would know how to say "dad" or "Mum", Assyria would carry away the wealth of Damascus. Are these the same things or the same child? Immanuel means "God with us" whist Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz means - booty taken before the child speaks.

This name predicted the swiftness of impending destruction. Note also that the name is given before the son is conceived by the prophets wife which Isaiah was careful to document and date. Why then would this son be confused with the Immanuel to be born AS A SIGN. Mahershalalhashbaz's birth was not a sign but a time mark from which to measure the truth of Isaiah's prediction. That is the reason for taking the witnesses to record the time and the promise followed by the conception by Isaiah's wife, here called "the prophetess." There is no such time limitation related to the virgin birth child of chapter seven; except that Samaria and Damascus would be kingless when he became aware of his own moral accountability. Here there is a very strict time limit attached to the event predicted. It would be a matter of a few years from the time the prediction was recorded until the beginning of the end for Damascus and Samaria.

Another thing on this matter - the Hebrew word in the text that is translated virgin is "almah." It has a definite article in Hebrew as can be seen in the last word in the first line in the Hebrew text above. It is "ha'almah" or literally "the virgin." Only after the beginning of the Christian dispensation did Jewish scholars decide to start to insist that the word means a young woman who is not necessarily a virgin and therefore they say a virgin birth was not predicted. Irenaeus was the first one to answer that argument and his points have not been improved upon since 140AD. One of the most telling arguments he uses is that the Septuagint translators (Jews themselves who had closer ties to the authors than todays jews) not only translated the verse here but they told what it meant, to them, before the advent of Jesus. It is obvious from their translation that they believed that one who would be called "God with us" required a virgin birth.

Jewish Sages Who Translated the Septuagint Version of Isaiah in 285 BC believed that "ha'almah" meant THE Virgin and not A Young Woman. Thus they used the words "ha parthenos" (the virgin) for the Hebrew "ha-'almah"

Again DeepSight, this argument tires me personally - The list I quote from you above shows a case of still courtroom tactics, leading the witness, judges, and onlookers plus you're even the judge yourself. A judge that has decided before accepting the case. Whats the point then of the conversation when you've judged? Why ask for evidence when you know that whatever is said, you'll search for something else to say till everyone is tired and irritable then you can say we're violent due to denial? Stick with your theories that we are lying and allow us hold our understanding. Life continues.

Forcing this issue to continue will be achieved only via mockery of the sort that starts to show above - in red! Like Inesqor said - enjoy yourself. There was obviously never a desire to hear/listen/consider.

MyJoe:
Have you considered that she is some holy prophetess disguising here?

Why did your "holy" read like "irreverent" to me? Are you using invisible keypad characters?

My answer - almost every minute, most every time, almost every post