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Zeus, Sango etc have worshipers who pray to them.

Awolowo, James Brown etc have FOLLOWERS who respect them. I am not aware anyone prays to Awolowo!

Your dog has someone who cares for it.

I am informed Gods are whatever is/are worshiped (by anything) and have dominion (over anything).

The question then, would not not be regards God but what exactly the terms "worship" and "dominion" mean and by what standards?

It is not dominion that gave God anything. It is because He is God that He has dominion.

Which is where you got lost - you say he has god-ship but he agrees it can be withdrawn. What sort of "god" is already fake PLUS can lose the fake "god-ship" yet still be a fake god (according to Psalm 82) if he "falls away"?

Can you now see? No matter how you cast the die, "FAKE" comes out!

My argument is not against you anyway - its against one who purportedly knows Christ and believes the scriptures. You do neither so I'm not surprised.

^^^ Be quiet!

Is it dominion that gave God His status? I dominate my market - does that make me the "market's god"? Are you god over your clothes?

Why not tell me then why the One who gave man this "dominion" said He is the ONLY God! O N L Y! For if you would that the Bible is wrong or corrupt, then you needs must agree Jo is with you on that else whats his "locus standi" to stand against the Word?

Kola:

NO Christian is blind. Each, being sighted, then has a view that is unique and brings to the table that view which can be the light to the entire group and thus for that moment be the leader. That is why Paul called Timothy a "Man of God". I started this thread NOT TO denigrate seniority in Christianity but to place it in its right perspective - MoGs, as they are called, are not an end to themselves. Indeed, any MoG worth his salt, has prayer partners who will rebuke him and correct him if wrong.

The people I stated I trust here cannot tell me to worship them or that they are "gods" or "christ" - I will not accept such.

The problem is people accept every and any thing emanating from pulpits and it is true that Absolute power corrupts - give almost anyone an inch and they'll take a mile.

I'll wager a lot that almost everyone on my list has had chance to "lead", become "MoG" and rejected it - these are people who felt led to hold on to reality and not become priests because they know there is just the one Priest. PS: Priesthood is different from being a pastor - our problem is those who do not realize that!

@newmi:

People like you scare me.

Your self-righteousness shows through so much you stink even over bandwidth. So I should be humble enough to acknowledge I learnt something, ehn? But you have your head in sand, don't you, for you to have missed my apology to DeepSight (an acknowledgement of acceptance of something however small), my acceptance that yes, everyone is a "god" and thus false since Psalm 82, Psalm 2 and Jeremiah wasn't speaking to Christians but non-christians (if nopuqeater is a god, then congratulations to your godship on its uniqueness, pele!) and all the other views I have accepted here which I did not start with.

I have learnt so much here which buttresses my point and I thank Joagbaje for that opportunity. However, I learnt nothing from him except that him and cattle have the same "godship" status.

You on the other hand, sit there behind your keyboard, smugly satiated, bloated from self righteousness, posturing like the average village dolt dancing for coins and smiling like skull and cross-bones, stating and INSISTING that you are right that "Joagbaje became God the day he accepted Christ" even when it is obvious you do not become God! God "IS" and did NOT "become"! You tell me - what have you accepted or how have you humbled yourself? I have shown mine! Why not remove the log in your eyes or is it compulsory to post?

Now, if that is too much for you to assimilate and "HUMBLY" (as you wish others to) accept, there then, is no point for this conversation - in that case, go worship Joagbaje (or a cow) so we know they both have right to be called "god"!

All these white washed sepulchers sef, looking good yet stinking to the high heavens. 

Put the whole thing together then and what you get is this -

[1] The Almighty is the true God
[2] Everyone else is a false "god"
[3] These include Satan, men and likely even cattle. Based on the logic presented by DS, cattle defecate on grass and grass "worships" them by bringing forth - a power granted also by the Almighty, thus making them also "gods of their world" which is this world.
[4] Joagbaje and Cattle are the same

QED

@Enigma:

This is pretty embarrassing but truth is I don't read Yoruba too well. At least not original dialect. If there's any specific sublink under that link, please let me know it and I'll brave it! Interesting that they chose yoruba though - is it Nigerian/Yoruba owned and any idea how many languages they have?

@DeepSight:

Going through your rebuttal, I agree my reading of the first part was mangled. However, lets suppose Faith allows me "control" the elements which then you would wish to suppose are worshiping me. That, friend, would be patently false. Faith is not developed, its not a course of study, it is a "gift" and as stated above, is NOT your property. Thus your elements would "worship" the owner - God!

The second part! I did not post falsehood - WOF believes in THEIR own confession. They say it often enough here that they control events by word of THEIR mouth! They say you bring things into being by confessing what you want - not what God wants (but then they are god, no?). They negate the God factor. And this started out so insidious that it gradually brought up other issues which are why they are being called out so often today - like Paula White taking "atonement offerings" which negate the sacrifice of Christ OR Copeland saying he could have done what Christ did!

@DeepSight:

Please STOP - This is High Treason and I wish I could sentence you myself. Elements worship Joagbaje?   And who else? That infers they worship all men and your goat too! Please! ! ! ! ! ! !

On Jesus saying faith will move mountains, you prove your ignorance of Christianity. Faith is directed, realistic AND altogether dependent on God's Will. That is the difference between what the Bible calls faith and what WOF says. Whist we bring God into it, they say it is exclusive of God and dependent on the person in isolation. If it is in God's Will that you raise the dead, you will be given "a measure of Faith" that will enable that. That is why it says "as the Spirit wills". But you cannot go around saying whatever you want can/will be done. You insult God's sovereignty - that's why almost to a man, all the WOFer heads died as "men" - cancer, heart disease, accidents etc. It was like "showing them up".

But you are DeepSight and will revert with something worse.  

Where is [size=24pt]Joagbaje[/size]?

I want to see him respond to and try to wriggle out of

[1] Aletheia's post #127
[2] Inesqor's counsel of common-sense that tells us "gods" whether fake or not ARE worshipped and finally
[3] Ttalks perspective - Ps 82 referred to non-Christians who yet were called "gods" so whats new if such were so called and he now thinks that's hype

Jo, your "godship" ends TONIGHT! But then, you never did accept the counsel of reason!

Deep Sight:
. . .Not having accepted TRUTH as YOU define it, Nuclear. . .

Do you not see that that is a two way street? You are yet to accept the prophet of infinity, no? That means you are yet to accept truth!

So you see, that's a claim EVERYONE can make about ANYONE who does not share their perspectives.

But here's your problem - you need to show me where I ever argued against your theories of infinity. What you miss is that whist you are obsessed with discrediting Christianity, I accept your faith in "infinity" and do not question it.

On Joagbaje's claims of "in his own world", you again show your penchant to ignore some portions whist highlighting what pushes your argument (in your mind). Inesqor and Aletheia have stated explicitly that "gods" are so named AND worshiped. Who worships Joagbaje? Also, the Bible states point-blank that ANYONE claiming to be "God" or a "god" is a fake. That is THE final word, not interpretations of what we'd like things to mean.

Faith is not an issue here! But if you'd like us to do "faith", deal with this -  "Ye ask and ye receive not, because you ask amiss" - Please address that in light of the WOFER style of tapping into YOUR OWN faith

BTW, you are NOT juxtaposing one christian perspective against another. Its a Christian view against a "deluded" view!

Me, I'm a spoiler so y'all will forgive me if I take us back

@MyJoe:

MyJoe:
Your views of the man, nuclearboy. You are entitled to them. But consider this:

D [thread]: Christianity is Ridiculous. How Can People Worship The Carpenter?
E: There are some people I don’t bother talking to on this forum.
N: Christianity is not ridiculous. If you don’t understand, why not ask?
D: Well, make me understand. I read the Bible. Did it not say…?
N: No. You are deliberately misquoting things. The Bible actually says…
E: You know, N, there are people I don’t bother interacting with around here.
D: Why do you keep doing this? Making indirect references to me without mentioning my name?
E: Well, I will talk to you if you say something worth responding to. But until then I shall take a backseat.
[20 posts between E and D later, with E imperiously insisting on being replied and hardly replying to anything]
E: This is why I don’t answer you. I will ignore your post henceforth. Everybody has similar feelings towards you. You are not worth responding to.
Here, people, see threads where Christians, atheists, and others react similarly to him.

My concern: Now, many here have someone they will not like very much to debate with and what do they do? They IGNORE them. So if you wish to ignore someone, why not IGNORE them? Why rub what you don’t eat around your mouth? Why get into a debate and bail out with a barrage of excuses? Why use lies to cover up for . . . I will stop here.

I cannot really answer for Enigma - I'm certain he can defend himself. HOWEVER, your bolded question! I have read a number of posters here (including some on this page and myself) "decide" not to answer DS any longer but to ignore him. NOT ONE has been able to fulfill their such "decisions". Why? I think its primarily because he does two lovely things

[1] slow down a bit (as it were) seeming more ready to listen. Then you return, then he strikes again. He does this over and over and gets the kind of outbursts Mad_Max, Chris and David have given him.
[2] Bait you (cowardice, ineluctable, the penultimate post etc) till you feel obliged to respond. then he strikes again

Its brilliant really (in his profession) and I personally have a lot of respect for that capability. But we're looking at truth here, not "best arguments". We address such in different manner - I will try to turn it into a laugh (if possible) and the day its not, I'll do something else. Enigma has his own way.

Plus I am yet to see one truth DS ever accepted anyway - this is the classic case of the dude who already made up his mind before showing up. Like we see in his response on Inesqor's last post. Nothing based on truth will make sense but let Jo appear now with claims of being the seventh trumpet and it will make sense.

But please - Lets get back to bashing Joagbaje - He's more fun and allows us clear the air about many untruths

^^^ Simple - get DeepSight to have a talk with it and it'll behave!

That Mad_Max is the mendacious one! Haba!

How can she join Viaro, Davidylan, Kag, Inesqor, Chrisbenogor, Krayola, Enigma amidst a host of other non-intellectuals all just to bully DeepSight, the poor friendly intellectual? Imagine Deists and Atheists (both ends of the barrel) combining together to attack just the one guy!

All these people sef - can't they simply understand that infinity cannot be grasped and thus DeepSight is necessarily beyond reason and sense? Maybe its cos one set are limited to what they see and the other to what they believe when ONE is unlimited except to number fractions!

@Donnie and Joagbaje:

First this rubbish you believe supports your misinterpretations i.e. 1 Cor. 6:3 "Know ye not that we shall judge angels?"

Is it as you are that you will judge angels? Why not wait till you are "perfected" before you start to claim the powers of the perfect?

Then you say:- Hebrews 1:13-14 "But to which of the angels said he at any times, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? "

Okay, so which of you did He say to sit at His right hand? Was this not meant for Christ? PS: The heirs of Salvation "shall be" not are! You are not there yet!

Your quotes are used in a fraudulent manner here to twist issues to your advantage. When you are dead and made perfect, come back and talk to me!

donnie:
Study the scriptures; don't just read like a newspaper.

Angels as used in the scripture above is not referring to ordinary angels. The Hebrew word is Elohiym, specifically used (in the plural) for the supreme God and sometimes a  superlative- angels. So don't be confused by king James. The scriptures do not contradict themselves.

You are the confused one reading as though ROR. NIV uses the term "Heavenly Beings"! Is that God alone?

Back to originals, Strong's Hebrew has 2 references following the word "angels" in Ps 8:5. The first is H4480 - min-nay (a part of, above, after, among, by, then, through) and H430 - el-o-heem (PLURAL of H433 and defined as "gods in the ordinary sense", applied by way of magistrates and sometimes as a superlative:- angels, exceeding, great judges, mighty).

Combined, we find this supporting the idea that its NOT just one entity but a group - the judges, the mighty ones of heaven (including the angels). Which would infer WHAT? man was made LOWER than all those! Or with the word "among" in H4480 and "angels" in H430, would you say "among angel God" OR "among the God of angels"?

Again I say, when you have been made perfect, talk! At THAT time, yes, I agree with you! Not now!

InesQor:
How can one ever become God, or god, if you prefer that? It's impossible to become God because "to become" means that it has a beginning. GOD IS. Period!

And this is the crux of the matter. Its not a university degree or an ordination or a claim that you achieve. Jesus did not "become" - He WAS from always.

I guess its only apt anyways. Satan wanted to become - his kids needs must follow their father's steps

@Inesqor:

They cannot be answered! And "slinking away" wasn't a good thing from the other thread. I can "like" people because they show their hand!

@Joagbaje:

Psalm 8:5 says 'Thou has made him (man) a little lower than the Angels" rather than " Man is higher than Satan , man is higher than all angels".

A medical student is not yet a doctor and therefore is junior to a Matron in a hospital. Wait then, for when the transforming is done and we become as "planned". Even Christ had a time (according to His Words).

^^^ 300% agreement. Abuse is the problem!

I'm liking you a bit more than I like to like people, Image!

^^ Actually, no one got me to be nice - DeepSight has enough issues with infinity (an infinite number of them, in fact) so why break the bank and make it [infinity + 1]. Allow him his

QUOTE
This is the result of forcing a square dogma into the round hole of reason. . . pandemonium in every sentence. . .
"Delusion" - Encarta English Dictionary - Noun - "false idea or belief. Formal: an idea or belief that is not true."
Synonyms - Illusion, Mirage, Hallucination, Fantasy, Apparition . .
UNQUOTE

Day!

How many days do you see infinity not handing him a spanking that we'll grudge him this one?

DeepSight Baba! ! ! 3 - 0

Joagbaje:
I'm surprised a thread has to be opened for me on this.

Why are you suprised? You ASKED (infact practically pleaded to be recognised) if we didn't want to know how you became god!

Joagbaje:
The issue of a Christian being a god is so simple. Being a god does not mean you have taken over Gods position. A god is a judge , administrator and enforcer on the earth.

Is 44:6 - "This is what the Lord says - Israels King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and the last; apart from me there is no God".

Not on earth, in heaven, in chris embassy or anyplace God created!

Joagbaje:
We enforce the will of almighty God on earth as his children.

Scriptural references please? AND HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THEM?

Joagbaje:
Satan became the god of this world through Adams fall. He stole adamic power. Adam delivered his authority to Satan through satan subtility. Look at the audacity with which he spoke to christ.

Luke 4:6-7
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.   7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

Who delivered it to him ? Adam. What kind of authority ? "Deity"

2 Corinthians 4:4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Aletheia has cancelled this rubbish you posted.

Joagbaje:
So a Christian being a god is simply an expression of God the father through him.  He is not trying to arrogate to himself what is not his. The word of God is God . If his word comes in you it makes you a god.

John 10:35
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

We as Christian are born of the same word of God. "As he is , so are we" same nature. The Essence of Christian growth is to get to the place we can manifest his fulness which is our destiny. And grow up INTO HIM.

When Christ said these words you so eloquently quote, he added something -

"Do NOT believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father" Jhn 10: 37 & 38

We believe Christ, who are you and why are your own works not the same? He loosed bonds, set captives free. You bind heavy burdens on men and think its about claiming stuff! Na mouth?  

Joagbaje:
But my question is " why is it easier to accept that Satan became god and yet hard  to accept that God children whom he stole from are gods?

Lets accept for a moment that satan actually was some sort of "god" which we know was false from Is 44 above. He at least exercised a modicum of authority by lying, scheming, manipulating! Is it those same practises you've honed and practice limited to CE that are making you feel "goddish"? Listen, all power belongs to Christ, not Joagbaje! You can't even earn a living without chris oyakilome for Christ's sake and you call yourself a "god" exercising "judgement",  "administering and enforcing" delusions in Chris Embassy!

Joagbaje:
Exodus 7:1
1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

I told you before - its this Moses thing thats worrying you but that priesthood has been abolished. Come into the new covenant - Christ is the only High Priest (as painful as that may be to you). Stop looking at yourself like Joshua following Moses (oyakilome). Anyway, Aletheia has also stamped out this rubbish.

@Purist:

In a manner, you are right - these people "go down well with me".

When I need Counsel, Sir, I do not seek
[1] self serving people
[2] People who've placed themselves on a pedestal above others
[3] vultures seeking carcasses to eat (i.e. profiteering)
[4] Eisegesis

What I want is truth!

Actually, DeepSight's not been wet nor is he looking for my trouble.

God can approach any of us in any number of ways. That is an individual thing. But to the entirety of mankind, and to my understanding, there have been 3 manifestations. That is a corporate thing and helps to provide AN IDENTITY which can be recognized. Call it a brand!

Now I, as an individual may claim God appears to me as a coyote every Thursday evening - how do I prove it? You could state he shows to you as an infinite regression of numbers in your sleep or (more likely for DS) as the patch between his latest conquest's legs. Your truth OR your delusion - it is individual and matters only to you.

Now if anyone doesn't understand the above, I suggest a visit to heaven to clarify!

My motive for this thread is what seems to be called into question.

Sincerely, I wanted him to come out and tell us his understanding of this "godship" and I have found (as I suspected with most of them) he apparently doesn't have a clue. Thus he's somewhere furiously leafing through the ROR manuals searching for the pages and statements that relate to his being a god that will not make him the usual butt of teaching from all and sundry. You guys might not get it but it is exasperating to have people speaking for you who know as it were, less than nothing and for whom, talk is business.

And I will not take this back - this delusion of "godship" seems profitable to some who support it at any cost even when its effect is counter-productive even to the desire of the "deludee"!

BTW, I wonder why Pastor_AIO used the term "the forum's Christians" when refering to those who have Joagbaje as punching bag. That singular sentence tells his status amongst Christians. I would state it thus - Joagbaje is to christianity what Abuzola is to CHRISTIANITY - all words deliberate!

@MyJoe:

In light of your submission "directive" above, take a look at the following from the NIV

"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. Everything they do is done for men to see: they make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them Rabbi. But you are not to be called Rabbi, for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth "father", for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called teacher, for you have one Teacher, the Christ. The greatest amongst you will be your servant. For whomever exalts himself shall be humbled and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted" Matt 23: 2 - 12

[1] We are told the spirit behind "Masters" in Religion is the Pharisee Spirit (white washed sepulchres, in more descriptive terms)
[2] They DEMAND submission much as you seem to expect
[3] Their burdens are heavy and thus not of God
[4] Their desire is to have adulation (plus of course Private jets nowadays)
[5] They want to be "Rabbi"

[6] You, Children are not Rabbis - do not consider yourself so. Only God is your Rabbi
[7] I'm sure MyJoe knows the functions and supervisory roles given to "fathers" by God
[8] You are also not teachers and if that be so, cannot expect submission because you're all learning. Submit only to God
[9] The greatest are "servants" - because they serve and NOT because they are submitted to

MyJoe, Jesus was speaking to His Apostles AND the crowds! In effect, any that would listen to him.  Your quotes favoring submission have been addressed by Jesoul but let me add this - submit by allowing the elders speak first but like Elihu with Job and his friends, realize that wisdom and truth can come from anyplace in your midst. Which is why plurality of elders was emphasized - it allowed for greater likelihood of truth coming from the "top" where the mature were. The "Elihu" connection I would address as Jesoul's last point - submission of both sides to the other in love IN THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH.

Ttalks has basically cleared up the issue. However and in truth and fairness, in the body of the post, I did use capital "G" because I wanted him to consider what the functions of God include to see his folly. But here have you helped me to strengthen my position.

Why I'd bother to answer this is the idea that DS will come here to wail and gnash teeth because there's someone who doesn't wish the Messiah ridiculed speaking yet not find it apt to do same when a Joagbaje claims to be god. FYI, Christ is MY God just as infinity is yours. It is the Joagbajes that water that august position down to the point where such as you dare to quantify Christians as being deluded - if asinine half-brained morons did not equate themselves with divinity, the single claim of the truly Divine to His natural place would be considered more serious by such as you.

But thats not what you want, is it? Your desire is to have your dog, cat, pig and keyboard also claim divinity so you can address "the carpenter" as "being amongst equals". So you defend Joagbaje against any (ANY) true christian because his ideals appeal to you and make the claim stupid.

FYI, Joagbaje has said he is "God of this World", "an Angel", "same as Christ is". His peers like Copeland have also said they could have done exactly what christ did and Paula "whatshername" is collecting "atonement" offerings (negating the sacrifice of Christ). If you haven't realised it by now, this is a very touchy matter with me and I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND why Jesus was miffed at His Father's business being ridiculed by traders leading Him to take up a whip. I cannot use a physical whip here but anyone who cannot handle harsh language better walk out now.

I opened a thread to discuss my views on who I'd trust here for christian stuff and no one called him in to advertise his "godship". Allow him defend himself if he has something to say.

I suggest you go learn more variations of fractions and abstractions that your "infinity" covers - as before, I again state I have nothing against "infinity" or your hopes in it.

^^ And of course, it is known that the lesser swears by the greater! Which would suppose likely everything between day and night is greater than the "swearer"

Still waiting for the Genuine Nissan J Matic ATF you promised, Kunle.

BTW, any idea what quantity fills 06 PathFinder? Thinking of a total change for both cars. I assume same will fill the 05. Remember I'm buying for the 2 cars O with pricing.

Meanwhile, our season don dey start this year () - are you still coming in November?

Toba:

I like you too much to handle this my normal way. Please read https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-509832.0.html and especially https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-509832.64.html#msg6739697.

Then come back and tell me what you think. This is not a fight - he wants to tell us, followed u to tell us so and ask why we didn't want! So no problem - he should come tell us

BTW, you need to slow down on NL - toba everywhere always will make you look jobless

What exactly is your problem, Toba? The guy asked if we don't want to know how he became God (his own words) and I quoted it above when asking him to tell us. Did I put my hand in his mouth to compel him to ask? Why don't you go read and understand the Bible if you don't know a Christian is not the same as a God!

So here's the thread, Joagbaje! 

Based on your advertisement at https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-509832.64.html#msg6739697 demanding if we didn't want to know how you became God, I thought it'd be nice you cleared this up and told us about your journey to becoming God and your achievements since you got there! I mean, Gods create Galaxies, humans, Lions etc - what are your products?

Also, and please include explanation of how Chris oyakilome happens to be a bigger/greater God than you, and Benny Hinn is greater than Him and Copeland greater than Hinn. I say this because you work under oyakilome and surely, the lesser is blessed of the greater, no? So in your Godship, there are "levels" - please explain

Also, how do you "Gods" relate with ordinary Apostles like Christs Peter, Stephen, John and Paul.

Finally, what are the limitations (or absence of such) that you have as "Gods" that make you what you are.

Hello Joagbaje:

Yes, twill be nice to know how you became God. Unfortunately, this thread is for us lowly Christians and not for "Gods" like you. I'm opening a thread for you to illuminate us on your Godship and how we may strive towards such.

MODAMO! ! ! ! ! !

@Chukwudi44:

As much as I respect your obvious grounding in the scriptures, this propensity to support the RCC no matter what is disconcerting. I personally do not believe any Christian "group" or denomination is all headed for hellfire or perdition or whatever. Christianity is an individual race, not a world cup where it becomes nations against themselves. I am a Nigerian but if a particular Nigerian is found crooked, so be it - his problem. And all of us regularly complain about the historical makeup of Nigeria - does that condemn it to hell? Why not ever accept that somethings could have gone wrong in the past concerning the RCC and CONCENTRATE on redeeming it now?

You'd do more good to your church thus plus I thought you were to worship Christ not the church!

@Ogoamaka:

The people here worship God, not pulpits. Don;t let the door hit you in the back on your way to worship "whoever's turn it is this week" amongst oyakilome, oyedepo, hinn, signboards etc