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[quote author=uj_sizzle]*staggers into thread*
*yawns noisily*
*ignores cheers and waves from the crowd*
*mumbles to self* ...too tired
*locates vacant spot behind a chair*
*lays down and fall asleep instantly*[/quote]Some call it tiredness, I call it goodness of alcohol.

Hi Uj

Smh. This is fanaticism at its peak. Holding on to a verse quoted out of context. No wahala sha.

I dey wait the holier-than-thou pastor wey go come meet me say alcohol in any quantity na sin. I go so bombard am with Bible verses eh, e go learn to make research before e come meet me next time

SeunPlus: Hehehe! Do you see the future?

do you yet doubt me? *throws cowries*
hmmm... *strok.ing unkept dibia beards*
Its says the same thing every time, mrs Promoe. You are married already in the spirit world.

Acidosis: lol...keep sipping bro.. remember to find your way on time so you don't fall inside gutter...

Thanks for the concern, but no gutter in my room. *sipping the alcoholic wine Jesus made from water*

SeunPlus: Good evening all

Good evening mrs Promoe

Acidosis: Oahray, thanks....but I've seen that before...and I'm yet to be convinced

Yeah, that's why I wrote in the post that you have your mind made up. Deeply entrenched beliefs are the hardest things to change.

That's why there are still some peeps who would argue that Oduduwa came from heaven, or that the Oba of Benin is the real owner of the whole land in the world.

Case closed then...
*sipping an unnamed alcoholic beverage*

That's my last post on this alcohol debate jawe.

Good evening all.

Acidosis: *draws his shirt** come back hia!


"No man should adduce this instance [John 2:1-11] in favour of drinking wine unless he can prove that the wine [Jesus made] was just like the wine which he proposes to drink.

There is no evidence of it [alcohol] whatever; and it is not necessary to suppose it [to explain the
circumstances].
Nor can an argument be drawn from this case in favour even of drinking wine such as we have. The common wine of Judea was the pure juice of the grape, without any mixture of alcohol, and was harmless" [...]

www.nodrinking.com/water-to-wine-miracle-not-alcohol/

Hmmm... I'd have preferred originality sha. Lemme do it the quote way then. My own referrence answers the uncertainty of the writer of yours with irrefutable evidence.

I am not sure you will read it as your mind is already made up, but if you do, take note of two things...

(1) The original greek term used in bible manuscripts.

(2) The wedding was Jewish, not christian, so it was based on pre-existing Jewish tradition.

"Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos , which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice.

Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1
encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful ( Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol.

A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness.

The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos.
The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful or that the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not!"

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html

[quote author=~vicky~]this thread shd be locked [/quote]So you can have another shot at page 1000 abi?

Acidosis: Before I proceed, are you with me or against...as regards what the scriptures says about 'drinking'?

for or against you? Dunno about that sha. I am pro-scripture. It teaches moderation.

Em... That wraps up the argumentative news for today. From my corner its goodbye and Godbless. *packing files*

ItsModella: I'm good, trying to warm up here...temp. is -20C..*shudders*

Oh, I see... *pretending to understand* That's pretty cold I guess. Its a bit different here... Actually, very different. *mops sweat off face*

ItsModella Gold (in igbo), how far?

[quote author=HÌGLΞDY_PÌGLΞDY]Thank you!
Dirts are EVERYWHERE; does it mean everyone is dirty NO!!

Sorry sori, that italicised portion of ur post is a powerful gibberish...

Wine is not different from juice because of fermentation...
but;
An alcoholic drink is different from a non-alcoholic one cos of fermentation...

Palm wine is Palm wine before fermentation... drink 30 gallons of non-fermented palm wine , and your eyes would still be clear...

Like I said, anything can form alcohol,.

Not everything can turn WINE... A processed raspberry can form a WINE...
BUT what forms an Alcoholic wine is a; FERMENTED 'processed' raspberry....[/quote]sorry I had to bring this up from the past. My conscience no let me ignore am.

(1) Every wine undergoes fermentation. If not, it is simply juice or sap.

(2) Before fermentation, palm wine is called PALM SAP not palm wine. It only becomes palm wine when it ferments. You should verify info before posting. Google is your friend.

(3) Not just anything can form alcohol. It has to be organic, then undergo fermentation. With fruit juice (usually grape), it becomes wine. Beer is from malted barley or wheat.


In totally unrelated news, hi guys!

[quote author=HÌGLΞDY_PÌGLΞDY]....and my Doc. taught me so well that I made an "A" in "Alcoholism & Alcohol-dependance"

Now, before I rest my case, Wine is not synonymous with Alcohol..

Wine is not magical! Its an extract made from special fruits & berry... And I'm yet to see an alcoholic fruit since I was born...

You can turn anything to alcohol (such as, sugar cane, cassava, akpu, wheat, melon etc) , but you cannot turn everything to wine... wine is from special fruits binger, special fruits...!

*I rest my case*[/quote]Guy you are funny o! Wine is different from juice because of FERMENTATION. If you know organic chemistry, you'd know that fermentation results in formation of ethanol (ethyl alcohol) belonging to the 'alcohol group' of compounds (organic compounds with hydroxyl functional group -OH attached to the hydrocarbon). Every wine has alcohol in it. Some are simply called non-alcoholic cos of their relatively low alcohol content.

You should sue your Doc. Like seriously.

Vanneni: You're so incurrigible. smh..

lets say I am not a people pleaser. Na dat thing dey vex me for many church goers. Everyone wants others to see them as holy.

I no get that kind time jawe. If I wanna take alcohol, I would, in moderation. Opinions are free, let anyone think what (s)he wants.

binger: Oh my gosh. Chemistry says so,Biology proves it...Every wine contains alcohol/ethanol,either in trace or copious amount. It all depends on the percentage quantity. Wine can never be manufacture artificially or naturally(e.g palmwine) without the presence of ethanol. It is a fundamental element and cannot be expendable. Pls man. Readddd!!

Lmao, leave the guy. Na so some people matter dey be. Wine is not alcohol until a man of God says so. Smh

Vanneni: tnks for telling him. We are too holy fot that shit.

lmao. You holy pass Paul and Timothy? All this "thou shall not even smell alcohol so people would think us holy" thing is the stuff double-faced peeps are made of.

Personaly, I do not like most alcoholic drinks, but my preference has no right to become a standard for everyone.

spikes C: super eagles, chai...So this is what it feels like to be an Arsenal fan.

lol. See, I am a barca fan, so you can see how hard this is for me we lose only once in 20 games

[quote author=HÌGLΞDY_PÌGLΞDY]lol... i nor be deeper life... am not a saint but I think I know d truth....[/quote]I said deeper life only. Wetin saint dey do for the sentence? I only think they hold on to some less important things that are not condemned in the bible.

There is a difference between drinking alcohol and drunkeness. The latter is condemned, the former isnt.

ItsModella: Just so you know, the Bible does not condemn drinking alcohol, it condemns abusing it, getting drunk and what not.

True that. The Bible is against over indulging in anything. It speaks against DRUNKENNESS just as it speaks against GLUTONNY. If alcohol is bad, so is food.

spikes C: e be like say you be onye jehovah witness. Pls read the whole chapter, let us know what led to this

He sounds more like deeper life. Jehovah witness are against drunkeness, not alcohol in its whole entirety.

Moderation is the key. I no get power to enter this alcohol argument sha. Super Eagles don vex me.

*ignores peeps arguing the Bible's stance on alcohol*
Somebody gimme a bottle of alomo jare!

Caracta: No be only you. Can you just imagine? See them praying
4 yellow cards, 1 red card

yeah, totally indisciplined, no tactics, no idea. See when them go concede equaliser, after all the time wasting. Its fvcking annoying!

Somebody remind me not to watch Super Eagles match again.

I HATE SUPER EAGLES MEHN!

How Ike Uche take miss dat kind thing?

flanrey: @least, we have a goal
Btw, this Burkina Faso team and their coloured hair/beards...Somebody pls tell these guys that this is not calabar carnival. We talkin football here!

Lol. They seem better than us as a team o. Just that we have better players.

Super Eagles no impress me for first half like that

dont8: Try this in 2000th page and see what I'll do to you

You go still dey derailers' thread by that time? Wow!

Even sexkillz would have been sacked as mod by then for disobeying seun, and 'a new pharoah that did not know Joseph' go become mod, wey go make una hate romance section.

vivichocs: as 4 me, curvy slim gals r d bst...

babe, you find slim, curvy gals attractive too?

Ada Nri1: Not all slim ladies are shaped like a broom o. Some are slim but have generous curves in the right places

you sabi am. The J-Lo kinda babes. Sexier than any Nicky Minaj kind any day or time!

Afam4eva: Just had to check your profile again...

I will not warn you next time